Hard cast vs: fmj/plated


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Steve H
May 31, 2012, 11:30 PM
Over all my years of shooting and reloading I have really never used much, if any, hard cast bullets. I have always loaded either jacketed or plated ammo (9mm, 38 & 45). Now that I am going to step up to more shooting and more reloading I started looking a bullet prices and cannot believe what I am seeing i the cost of 230gr fmj (~.18/ea) and plated (~.14 ea) vs hard cast (Berrys @ ~.12 ea.) So my question is is I start loading Berrys Hard Cast 230 gr .45 do I have do do anything different that what I have done loading fmj or plated? Do I need any "lube" or a gas check for this bullet? I drive by the Berry's plant weekly so it's easy to call and order direct. The Berry's bullet I'm looking at is their #00154, it has what I think is a "lube ring" in it. Am I missing anything?

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Certaindeaf
May 31, 2012, 11:44 PM
Lead good.

greyling22
May 31, 2012, 11:56 PM
yeah, the blue ring is lube. you'll have to clean your barrel more than you would with jacketed, but lead works real well in a 45, as it's a nice slow low pressure round. (I'm having a devil of a time with a lead 9mm, but that is a different tale of woe altogether......)

Lubed lead bullets are more slippery than jacketed ones are, and zip down the barrel a little faster. You might have to adjust your load down just a touch to keep the same velocity.

Upstater
June 1, 2012, 12:00 AM
Hardcast bullets won't be as dirty as plain lead bullets however, I shoot a lot of lswc it is not much dirtier than fmj after 100 rounds and hard cast is cleaner yet.

ChefJeff1
June 1, 2012, 12:26 AM
just use lead data and you'll be ok.

Lead bullets are usually sized a little larger than fmj. about .001 or.002.

Lead is the way to go.

Otto
June 1, 2012, 12:50 AM
I started looking a bullet prices and cannot believe what I am seeing i the cost of 230gr fmj (~.18/ea) and plated (~.14 ea) vs hard cast (Berrys @ ~.12 ea.)

Berry's hard cast are $122.45 per thousand...Precision Delta's 230gr FMJ are $130
And since you're in Utah, you'll pay sales tax on the Berry bullets, so your savings would be zero.
My choice would be Precision's FMJ

2zulu1
June 1, 2012, 03:48 AM
I'm loading Rimrock presently in 45 auto, plus 158gr SWC and the Keith 170/W296 bullet. Barnes CR 10 isn't a bad bore cleaner, but I like what I'm seeing with Kroil for bore cleanup. I'm also thinking about an order to Penn bullets for a comparison, both companies offer USPS flat rate shipping ($15.00) for up to 70#s, ie, 4 500 round boxes.

Walkalong
June 1, 2012, 08:23 AM
Missouri Bullet (http://www.missouribullet.com/results.php?category=5&secondary=13) has a good product and good pricing. Lots of happy customers.

It is pretty hard to get leading in .45 ACP. It loves lead bullets.

Sapper771
June 1, 2012, 10:35 AM
I agree with Walkalong, the 45acp is very well suited for cast bullets. I never could get my TRP to group any better than 2" at 25yards. I ordered a box of MBC 230gr LRN. Worked up a load and my TRP will now consistently hold 1" at 25 yards. I have found that cast bullets, if sized properly, are more accurate than jacketed and plated. YMMV.

jack44
June 1, 2012, 02:36 PM
Thats all I shoot in all my guns is LEAD!

murf
June 1, 2012, 02:51 PM
+1 to lead bullets!

do the "plunk" test when first setting up your load. the lead bullet ogive will be different than an fmj one. so, make sure the bullet is not hitting the end of the chamber.

lead is good.

murf

2zulu1
June 1, 2012, 07:02 PM
Missouri Bullet (http://www.missouribullet.com/results.php?category=5&secondary=13) has a good product and good pricing. Lots of happy customers.

It is pretty hard to get leading in .45 ACP. It loves lead bullets.
I'm out of lead for the 45 auto and I've always heard about MBC's great reputation, time to place an order. :)

Steve H
June 1, 2012, 07:14 PM
Now you guys really have me thinking about lead. One question. Taper crimp or roll crimp? Looking at the Barnes & the Missouri 230gr it looks like MAYBE a roll crimp is what it needed.

Walkalong
June 1, 2012, 07:20 PM
A very light taper crimp is all you need. Just remove the bell, or a hair more. Well, less than a hair, say .001 more.

Upstater
June 1, 2012, 07:26 PM
I agree just a light taper crimp for the .45, sometimes with new brass you will not have to taper crimp as the brass seems to contract after bullet seating at least this has happened to me, belled the case and after seating it was good and tight and .002" under .473". Shot very well also.:)

Samari Jack
June 1, 2012, 08:32 PM
I like lead OK but since I don't have a .45 prefer plated in my 9s, .38s, .380s and .357. I really noticed a lot of smut from the wax all around my stainless .357 that I didn't notice with my blued guns but I'm sure is there.

The following a batch of rounds with a jacketed bullet or two does seem to make cleaning a leaded barrel easier.

thunderranch.45
June 2, 2012, 12:03 AM
Give MBC another +1, great product,service,and price $86 a 1000.

thunderranch.45
June 2, 2012, 04:42 PM
Price in that last post was for 230gr LRN from MBC.

Marlin 45 carbine
June 2, 2012, 11:17 PM
I load for a .32acp beretta that actually groups tighter w/lead slugs from mike a/mastercast.
a .380 and 9makarov both do as well as jacketed the mak a bit better actually.
as a feller above my 9mm Luger doesn't like them much
my .357 does well w/light 'target loads' 158gr swc over RD
so far have'nt loaded any .45 acp

TonyT
June 3, 2012, 08:50 AM
In spite of the increases in price i still go with either plated or jacketed bullets.
Remember it's still cheaper than golf.

oldreloader
June 3, 2012, 12:15 PM
All I load for 9MM and 45 ACP is lead. Works great for me.

dickttx
June 3, 2012, 08:06 PM
Since the first 150 rounds of ball ammo, I have shot nothing but MBC 200 RNFP in my Colt 45 ACP. I use the softer ones listed for 45 Colt, rather than the harder ones listed for 45 ACP. They come out to 7.9 each. I have never had any leading. VERY accurate.

Big Lew in NC
June 3, 2012, 09:30 PM
All the above is good advice. I use lead for plinking and pistol competition to save $$. The exception is silhouette where I used jacketed. As for cleaning the barrel, there will certainly be lea fouling. My remedy is to send a mag of +P lead through the thing and no more lead fouling. NOTE I use this in a low pressure pistol like the 45 or 38 but not hot cartridges that are in the upper heat range.

lexjj
June 4, 2012, 02:38 AM
Missouri Bullet Company lead is great.

I use the 185 and 200 grain LSWC in 45
The 125 round and 147 Flat Points for 9mm
and the 125 for 38 special

TennJed
June 4, 2012, 02:55 AM
Berry's hard cast are $122.45 per thousand...Precision Delta's 230gr FMJ are $130
And since you're in Utah, you'll pay sales tax on the Berry bullets, so your savings would be zero.
My choice would be Precision's FMJ
I am sure Berry's hard cast are very good, but there are cheaper options in hard cast. Last week I bought 1000 rounds of Tennessee Valley 230 RN from my local shop for $112 OTD.

Others I have used that are less expensive

Mastercast
CBBullets

grubbylabs
June 4, 2012, 03:19 AM
Have you thought about casting your own? I have found that casting is just as fun as the rest of the reloading aspect, and I save even more for more shooting. I am loading a box of 50 for my 45 right at $2.45. But I do get my lead for free for now.

I think like some of the others have said, the 45 loves a cast bullet. If you can buy them at an acceptable price then I would go for it.

Steve H
June 4, 2012, 08:59 PM
I would cast my own but I live WAY out in the middle of nowhere so I think finding material to melt down might be a bit hard. I'm going to order up 1000 MBC 230's and play with them. Right now I'm in the middle of setting up my new Dillon 650 so once I get that dialed in it's play time. Now I just have to find a place to shoot where I don'e have to worry about starting a fire.
We have had two fires start here local due to shooting so far this fire season. First time in 40+ years of being around shooting that I have ever seen fires start from shooting.

Anybody have any favorite starting point for the MBC 230 RN using Unique or 231?

jolly roger
June 4, 2012, 09:55 PM
All I shoot in revolvers and 45ACP are cast. Mostly Missouri Bullet Co. And THE most accurate load in my Glock 17?...Missouri 125 truncated cones with an appropriate load of AA5...with a stock barrel. Yeah Yeah, you're "not supposed to do that" :) Whatever...no leading and I do clean the barrel every 100 shots or so.

grubbylabs
June 4, 2012, 11:12 PM
I load 6 grains of Unique under a 230 grain bullet. It shoots very well at about 800 fps.

If you think you may be interested in casting later I would start looking for Wheel weights now and they are becoming hard to find.

It pretty fun to cast load and shoot a bullet that you made. Plus right now with unique it is costing me about 2.45 per box of 50. That's really nice.

popper
June 5, 2012, 11:22 AM
Lead @ $2/# is still ~ $.05/ Boolit.

altitude_19
June 5, 2012, 07:19 PM
Lead @ $2/# is still ~ $.05/ Boolit
An ode to "boolit math."

grubbylabs
June 5, 2012, 08:22 PM
I am still great full to have friend who has a 55gal drum full of wheel weights. He gave me a five gallon bucket last time I was there. I am about to make ingots out of those and go back for more. The best thing is that he does not charge me for the lead. Other wise I think I might be looking to buy lead, and that would be sad.

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