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gb6491
June 8, 2012, 01:01 AM
Picked mine up today.
http://i48.tinypic.com/f0u8lw.jpg
http://i47.tinypic.com/mrml5.jpg
with a Kahr CW45:
http://i49.tinypic.com/1zmgmq1.jpg
http://i45.tinypic.com/2gv1z5i.jpg
..and a Glock 27:
http://i48.tinypic.com/2prel28.jpg
http://i45.tinypic.com/5u1s2r.jpg
I put about 120 rounds through it, mostly 230 gr. FMJ and LRN, without issue. It didn't like the bullet profile of Hornady XTP and had several failures to return to battery with it. I bought some 185gr. Mag-Tech Guardian Gold and fired three rounds of it (without incident) before I noticed they had given me a box of in .45GAP (lesson learned).:o Later in the day, I tried hand feeding some 230gr. Gold Dots and this went fine (will try and shoot some of it tomorrow). I did verify it was an issue with the Hornady bullet by removing the barrel and dropping some rounds of it into the chamber (doesn't seat properly compared to ball or Gold Dots).
Here's my first ten rounds through it at ten yards/two hand standing:
http://i47.tinypic.com/35ivxoj.jpg
Regards,
Greg

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badger54
June 8, 2012, 01:07 AM
Do you have any photos or measurements for how it compares width wise to the other guns mentioned?

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EBShooting
June 8, 2012, 01:32 AM
WOW. That actually impresses me. Having spent 4 years in the gun business and 2 decades shooting, I didn't think anything would impress me anymore.

gb6491
June 8, 2012, 01:49 AM
Do you have any photos or measurements for how it compares width wise to the other guns mentioned?

http://i45.tinypic.com/cp5p5.jpg
http://i45.tinypic.com/2n1zxqf.jpg
http://i47.tinypic.com/wcmiiq.jpg
The slides widths are:
Glock - 1.1 something" (sorry my caliper doesn't have better resolution)
Kahr - 1"
XD-S - .91 something"
Regards,
Greg

badger54
June 8, 2012, 01:53 AM
Thanks, I'm trying to decide if I want the XDs or the shield more at this point.

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firesky101
June 8, 2012, 02:20 AM
Lordy loo, that thing is svelte. I was drooling over them before, now I am smitten. What is recoil like? I shot an AMT backup .45 and that was pretty punishing, much more painful than full house loads through my KLCR.

critter
June 8, 2012, 06:22 AM
My LGS can NOT find them available around these parts. I WANT one!

okc-zee
June 8, 2012, 09:36 AM
searching desperately for one of these...

peacebutready
June 8, 2012, 10:21 AM
Thanks for the pics. It certainly is sharp looking.

I've been considering a polymer and like the Glock's reliability and durability as shown in those torture tests. I just can't take to Glock on an aesthetic level, though. The XD series appeal to me aesthetically.

Skribs
June 8, 2012, 11:10 AM
Thanks, I'm trying to decide if I want the XDs or the shield more at this point.

Me too. Although I'm trying more to decide between XDm and M&P, and will go with the smaller version of the one I pick. The XDs looks to be a nice gun. I'm waiting for the 9mm version, personally, but good comparison with other sub-compacts.

badger54
June 8, 2012, 11:17 AM
I spent hours trying to locate someone that stocks these last night. I emailed all the LGS around here to see if I get lucky. It seems like this gun is about as hard to find as the shield.

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wally
June 8, 2012, 11:38 AM
I hope they make one in .40S&W soon, much as I love the .45ACP I just don't like when you get barrels below 4".

CDR_Glock
June 8, 2012, 11:57 AM
Thinner than a G27 and just as long.

I love my Glock 36 but this may have to be added to my arsenal.

Thanks for showing us. Let us know what defensive ammo works. Critical defense and PowRBall ought to feed well. They're shaped more like FMJ.

gb6491
June 8, 2012, 01:39 PM
What is recoil like?
At arm's length I'd say comparable to the CW45 and G27. They all have a slight variance, but I manage them about the same. I would call the XD-S's recoil stout when fired one handed at waist level/elbow locked into the side (this is a position that I've had failures to feed with other small, high power pistols because of the grip strength in my right hand. No problems with the XD-S).

FWIW, here's a photo of the sights:
http://i47.tinypic.com/znobkp.jpg
...and a magazine (comes with two):
http://i50.tinypic.com/553xqo.jpg

Regards,
Greg

EBShooting
June 8, 2012, 04:41 PM
at least you all have to opportunity to get them when the LGS have them. Being in CA, I have to wait for it to get "approved" by the DOJ.

verdun59
June 8, 2012, 05:09 PM
Why not go to Mexico and let DOJ walk one over to you.

Skribs
June 8, 2012, 05:17 PM
Just curious - what is behind your hand in the first picture? It almost makes it look like the XDs has a hammer.

EDIT: I'd also be interested in one where it is held in the palm.

YJake
June 8, 2012, 08:35 PM
Just when I was about to add a Walther PPS-9 to my collection you had to start a thread on that .45 hand cannon!

I'm curious to see some loads chronographed in that little guy and what they clock. I've had great success with the PPS in that regard, but a .45acp from a 3.3" tube seems like it may leave something to be desired.

-Jake

gb6491
June 8, 2012, 10:29 PM
Let us know what defensive ammo works. Critical defense and PowRBall ought to feed well. They're shaped more like FMJ.
I shot another 80 rounds today with no issues; part of that was 230gr. Federal Personal Defense JHP and 230gr Speer Gold Dot HP.

Just curious - what is behind your hand in the first picture? It almost makes it look like the XDs has a hammer.

EDIT: I'd also be interested in one where it is held in the palm.
I think that's the end of a dial caliper. It's in this photo as well(just above the slide).
http://i47.tinypic.com/35in8d4.jpg

Regards,
Greg

LightningMan
June 8, 2012, 11:15 PM
Nice looking, and pretty small for a .45. I was lucky today, as I got to handle the XD-S at my local GS, and it felt good for its size, might have to get one someday. BTW I also got to handle a Sig 938, it also was pretty nice, not bad either on price IMO $699. I didn't get a price on the XD-S as they were both spoken for and not on display. LM

KAS1981
June 8, 2012, 11:22 PM
Very interesting. I'd like to see a 9mm version, but then again a little .45 would be sweet to own, too.

rob i
June 9, 2012, 08:31 AM
I am so getting one of those!

Bush Pilot
June 9, 2012, 10:57 AM
Just when I told myself no more guns for a while this comes along :banghead:

okc-zee
June 9, 2012, 11:58 AM
Really wanted one of these...LGS called today so I went down and he showed me this XDS and then I looked at the XDM 45 compact as well while I was there...Size wise really not that much difference which was surprising to me...They wanted 569 for the XDS, they want 589 for the XDM 45 c,and 628 on line for the Sig P220 compact DA/SA I've been thinking about before all of this...I think 569 bucks is quite a bit for the XDS,when I just got my Shield there a month ago for 409...I know,apples to oranges,but still...I passed on it for now,and walked out more confused than when I walked in.. If I go for the Springer,I think I'd rather get the XDM 45c...There's barely any difference size wise and you get at least 9 + 1 with the small mag...The sig p220 is very tempting as well..just my .02

fxstchewy
June 9, 2012, 12:41 PM
My LGS wants $630 for the XDs, too much for me.

deputy tom
June 9, 2012, 01:42 PM
Nice score! tom.:D

Skribs
June 9, 2012, 03:05 PM
KAS, I too am waiting for the 9.

Gb, that seems a bit bigger thant he pocket pistols I'm used to, but still very nice. Also appears to be one of the few single-stack sub-compacts to include a rail. I'm of course comparing it to the pocket pistols I'm used to.

MCgunner
June 9, 2012, 05:54 PM
I just cannot convince myself that 6 shots from a .45 is as good as 11 from a +P 9mm and the gun that already works for me. I do like the concept, just .45 don't work so well IMHO in pocket guns. I'm going to let the gun prove itself in other's hands first before I think about wanting one. :D

bigfatdave
June 9, 2012, 07:43 PM
Also appears to be one of the few single-stack sub-compacts to include a rail. and here I was wondering why Kel Tec and Walther felt the need to put a rail on my pf9 and PPS respectively.

Hunter125
June 9, 2012, 08:22 PM
Why not go to Mexico and let DOJ walk one over to you.

Totally made my day.

sig228
June 9, 2012, 11:06 PM
Definitely on my short list. The thin grip is what's winning me over.

KTXdm9
June 10, 2012, 09:51 AM
OP are you planning on using this for pocket carry, or IWB?

Hunter125
June 10, 2012, 10:30 AM
Put me down for the .40 version when they come out with it. Can't be too long.
Part of me wonders if they came out with .45 first to set themselves apart from all the other single stacks from other major brands that were slated to come out about the same time.
Can the XDs take 1911 mags? That would certainly be a pull for .45 fans.

J_McLeod
June 10, 2012, 11:51 AM
Great looking pistol. I have 3 XDs already. The 45 is tempting, but I'm going to hold out for the 9mm. Might even replace my PF9 as the preferred carry.

gb6491
June 10, 2012, 12:12 PM
Thank you all for your comments!:)

If I go for the Springer,I think I'd rather get the XDM 45c...There's barely any difference size wise and you get at least 9 + 1 with the small mag...T
Personally, I believe the difference in grip width is significant, but the XD-S and XDM45 Compact are similar in height (with the XD-S being .7" shorter in OAL). That said, if the grip width is not an issue, I think the XDM would be an excellent choice for you.
http://www.gunsamerica.com/blog/springfield-xds-vs-xdm-45-compact-range-report/

Gb, that seems a bit bigger thant he pocket pistols I'm used to, but still very nice.
Thanks! It is bigger than some of my pocket pistols as well:
http://i47.tinypic.com/28ssy2b.jpg

I just cannot convince myself that 6 shots from a .45 is as good as 11 from a +P 9mm and the gun that already works for me. I do like the concept, just .45 don't work so well IMHO in pocket guns. I'm going to let the gun prove itself in other's hands first before I think about wanting one.
Not to worry, lots of folks are in denial about what works:D. The XD-S is probably not a pistol for everybody, rather just another option and to my mind that's a good thing.:)
11 shot KT P-11
http://i45.tinypic.com/2gv94zo.jpg
5 shot S&W Model 36
http://i47.tinypic.com/2wd36rr.jpg

OP are you planning on using this for pocket carry, or IWB?
For daily carry in public, most likely IWB. For quick trips out to the car, taking the trash out, walking the dogs, and other tasks about the homestead, pocket carry is a likely scenario.

Can the XDs take 1911 mags?
1911 mags fit in the XD-S's mag well, but do no lock in place.

Regards,
Greg

gb6491
June 10, 2012, 12:36 PM
FWIW, of the pistols I have, my Kahr CW9 seems the closest in size to the XD-S.
http://i48.tinypic.com/xmn9ch.jpg
http://i46.tinypic.com/k23b6.jpg
XD-S, CW9, KT P11
http://i49.tinypic.com/ekpc8p.jpg
http://i48.tinypic.com/4ryzgh.jpg
Slide width:
XD-S - .91something"
CW9 - .9"
P11 - 1"

Couple of other pistols for comparison;
Colt OACP
http://i46.tinypic.com/egd7yr.jpg
S&W 3913
http://i45.tinypic.com/jpu4br.jpg
Regards,
Greg

PabloJ
June 10, 2012, 01:42 PM
Nice gun and very small for .45, but it would have to cost around $500 for me to bite.

rob i
June 10, 2012, 01:44 PM
I absolutely love it. I can't wait to get one!

Skribs
June 10, 2012, 01:48 PM
The XDm might only be a quarter inch wider than the XDs, but it's a lot heavier. XDm 45C is 27 oz, XDs 21.5 oz.

bigfatdave
June 10, 2012, 02:00 PM
1911 mags fit in the XD-S's mag well, but do no lock in place.
Interesting. Would it feed if it was held in? (do you have any snap-caps or dummy rounds to test with?)
Officer size would fit, I assume? I wonder if I could take some of the less expensive 1911 officer magazines and make a new cutout for the XD mag catch. If the catch cutout is in front the way a doublestack XD magazine's is, it wouldn't even interfere with use as a 1911 magazine.

Obviously, function/reliability testing with factory magazines first, but the possibility of cheapo range-only mags moves the XDS up the "want to buy" list a few slots.

gb6491
June 10, 2012, 02:30 PM
Interesting. Would it feed if it was held in? (do you have any snap-caps or dummy rounds to test with?)
Officer size would fit, I assume? I wonder if I could take some of the less expensive 1911 officer magazines and make a new cutout for the XD mag catch. If the catch cutout is in front the way a doublestack XD magazine's is, it wouldn't even interfere with use as a 1911 magazine.

Obviously, function/reliability testing with factory magazines first, but the possibility of cheapo range-only mags moves the XDS up the "want to buy" list a few slots.
If held in place, it will feed from a 1911 magazine, but I had to hold the mag slightly lower. When it's completely up in mag well, the front side of the 1911 mag interferes with slide lock (holds it up). I imagine some materiel could be trimmed from the magazine tube there and it would work. The catch cutouts are in the front of the magazine. Officer's mags are about .5" longer than the XD-S mags.
Regards,
Greg

sigma 40ve
June 10, 2012, 05:22 PM
Congrats. I am jealous. I have been hunting one here in SW Ohio for about a month. No one seems to have them. I did shoot one in St Louis earlier this year at the NRA convention. I was sold and hooked. I couldn't believe how it handled and how accurate it was. I will get one as soon as I find one here locally.

MCgunner
June 10, 2012, 05:30 PM
Man, thanks for that side by side with the KT P11. Your P11 seems to be almost up to mine for pocket wear of the finish, LOL. I've been toting mine for 16 years now and it's a little crusty, but still works fine. The XDS looks a bit larger, but I have room in my pockets for one, I think. Probably would carry it OWB, though. It's short enough for a long tailed shirt to be pretty secure in concealing it. :D

You know, I trust 9x19, but I do often, today even, carry a 5 shot .38. :rolleyes: Ain't how big the bullet is, but where you put it. I have a .45 and am set up with dies and molds for the caliber. I'd rather the .45 than a .40 which I would have to buy molds and dies for. .40 tends to be kinda rough in little guns, too.

StrikeFire83
June 10, 2012, 11:21 PM
Cool, good to see people are actually getting their hands on these.

I REALLY want to see an XDS next to a Kahr PM9/CM9

ejfalvo
June 11, 2012, 12:58 PM
Picked mine up on Sat.$525 out the door with NICs. Range time: 150 rounds, 1 box Federal, 1 box Remington ball, 2 boxes; Speer and Hornaday. No FTF or FTE issues. Recoil was not as bad as my KT P11. Once I got used to it kept all within 9-10 ring at 7 yards.

As others have shown, slightly smaller than my CW40. Fits OK in front pocket. Looking for a holster.

Replacing the CW40 for CCW.

Great purchase, typical SA quality.

chas3stix
June 11, 2012, 04:22 PM
Looked for one at the local gun show this past weekend. No such luck..... all of the dealers
(locals) said there wouldn't be any in the Las Vegas area until late August. Can't wait to get my hands on one.

DAdams
June 11, 2012, 10:40 PM
I checked with a number of dealers last weekend at a Knoxville show. No one had one, none had seen one. Springfield should take a page from the S&W shield play book for new product intro. :cuss: strike while the iron is hot.

peacebutready
June 12, 2012, 01:21 AM
I just cannot convince myself that 6 shots from a .45 is as good as 11 from a +P 9mm and the gun that already works for me. I do like the concept, just .45 don't work so well IMHO in pocket guns

A person can carry an extra .45 mag. Not advocating one round over the other.

RX-178
June 12, 2012, 08:31 AM
I've wanted one of these since SHOT. And if I were still living in Texas, where I could easily buy bulk ammo off the internet, I'd own one by now.

I got a Walther PPS .40 instead, to complete a set of carry guns in .45, .40 and 9mm. Just in case certain calibers are sold out.

bigfatdave
June 12, 2012, 08:55 AM
I checked with a number of dealers last weekend at a Knoxville show. No one had one, none had seen one. Springfield should take a page from the S&W shield play book for new product intro.Am I a bad person for laughing at the classic Kel-Tec product launch response being applied to S.A.inc?

They made something cool and told you about it, the marketing has done better than expected and there's a production bottleneck. Don't panic, you'll get one eventually.

Dean1818
June 13, 2012, 07:49 AM
How is the trigger?

gb6491
June 13, 2012, 12:20 PM
How is the trigger?
Some take up (about half, possibly more, of the overall trigger travel) followed by a heavier, but smooth, non-stacking length of travel until the striker releases. Reset is short, not requiring full length travel of the trigger. I don't have a trigger weight scale, but I'd guess the final bit of trigger travel requires something in the 5-7 pound range to fire the pistol.
Regards,
Greg

george d dennis
June 13, 2012, 03:29 PM
thanks for the wonderful write up with pictures, very informative.

jimherb
June 13, 2012, 04:17 PM
I fired 50 rnds of Federal 230 ball without a hitch and with decent accuracy. Then, 20 of Hornady's Critical Defense, no problems. Had about a dozen Federal Personal Defense laying around and it took them without a hiccup--and probably had the best accuracy. You really can't go by my accuracy reports because I am a really bad shot.

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