XD series compared to Glock in durability and reliability


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peacebutready
June 8, 2012, 10:42 AM
Good Day,

Would anyone know how close the Springfield XD series compares to Glock in durability (ex: torture tests) and reliability for the recently manufactured ones. I'm assuming one should wait some more time on the XD(m) models for any gremlins to be worked out.

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Kingcreek
June 8, 2012, 10:47 AM
An early XD 9mm had over 60k rounds thru it and that was last report almost 2 years ago. I've not talked to the guy recently but other than springs he said he didn't think he could make it fail.

mljdeckard
June 8, 2012, 10:49 AM
Most shooters will never shoot enough to come close to wearing out either one in any way.

Skribs
June 8, 2012, 11:07 AM
The only reason Glocks have a bigger reputation than any of their competition (M&P, XD/XDm, etc) is because they've been around longer to build that reputation. Anything from a known manufacturer should be good, barring a few lemons.

HGUNHNTR
June 8, 2012, 11:34 AM
I don't have any brand loyalties whatsoever, but I can tell you I have had one issue with a Glock. It was a recall some years back, the rear left slide guide rail broke off of the frame. With XD's I have had two issues, both involving reliability, and not related to magazines. Choose the one that feels the best.

The only reason Glocks have a bigger reputation than any of their competition (M&P, XD/XDm, etc) is because they've been around longer to build that reputation.
No, thats not the only reason. Quality and value are part of it as well. Jennings has been around quite some time and has failed to build a glowing reputation among those that appreciate quality.

Skribs
June 8, 2012, 11:55 AM
HG, I meant in relation to the competition. The SR series, XD series, and M&P series all have quality and value as well. The only difference is the Glock has been out since 1982, the HS2000 (AKA XD) since 99, M&P since 2005, Caracal and SR9 since 2007. The Glock has 17 years seniority on the next oldest.

boricua9mm
June 8, 2012, 12:05 PM
My old HS2000 developed a crack in the locking block after ~3,000 rounds of range ammo. Springfield later "addressed" this by putting a radiused cut on the corners of the locking block rather than a 90 degree angle.

No problems with my Glocks, other than the fact that they're Glocks :)

CDR_Glock
June 8, 2012, 12:10 PM
I have an XDM and A few Glocks. Reliability, accuracy and function are the same for me. However, I don't like the S&W split trigger.

Teachu2
June 8, 2012, 12:39 PM
The internet, like nature, discovers the hidden flaw. If any major manufacturer has problems, it soon becomes known. As far as durability and longetivity, I doubt you could wear out and of the major players' (Glock, S&W, XD, Ruger, Sig, etc) polymer offerings.

Reliability is another matter - some are wary of the Glock Gen4 guns, but can still take comfort in knowing Glock will make them right.

My last five purchases have been my first five polymer-framed pistols. Glock 30, 34 and 21, S&W M&P 9c, and Sig 20229. If Glock didn't have GSSF competitions, I might well have skipped the 34 and 21, and bought a M&P 45 or XD 45 Tactical - and I may still get those as time and budget allow. I expect all of these guns to end up in my grandkids hands many years from now.

The_Armed_Therapist
June 8, 2012, 01:27 PM
They're the same. Glock came first, but Springfield is Springfield.

M1key
June 8, 2012, 01:37 PM
I own Glocks and have owned three Springfields: two XDs (9 and 40) and an XDm9.

Hope you like the XD factory sights, cuz they are press-fit and can be very difficult to replace.

In a few cases, the roll pin on the XD that holds the striker assy has walked out. It's a simple fix to push it back down or replace it with a thicker one.

I would own the XDm 9mm again, but not over a similar model in the Glock.



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daybreak
June 8, 2012, 02:29 PM
This topic has been beaten to death over the years. Do a search, they're both generally super reliable and there's a reason why they are compared so often.

jmr40
June 8, 2012, 02:59 PM
The XD may someday prove it is as durable as a Glock, but to date no one has come close to replicating what Glocks have proven they can handle. There are several G-17's with near, or over 300,000 rounds and still going strong.

http://www.tactical-life.com/online/combat-handguns/glock-17-9mm-torture-test/

Nothing has come close to proving it can handle abuse either

http://theprepared.com/content/view/90/administrator/

Not saying an XD can't do it, but until someone does, my vote is with Glock.

XD's have been around for a while now. I they can do it surely someone has tried.

Happypuppy
June 8, 2012, 03:00 PM
I have .45 XD and a g19. Both have not misfeed, jammed etc. I have put 2-3k rounds through both at the range with everything from range ammo to SD loads. No drama , both are nice guns and maintained with just a basic field strip cleaning post the range


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mljdeckard
June 8, 2012, 06:17 PM
Springfield is Springfield?

CGT80
June 8, 2012, 06:35 PM
I have a 2005 XD 4" service model in 40S&W. It has around 30k rounds through it. The last 5-10k were 9mm with a barsto barrel. Almost all of the rounds have been low power loads that I have reloaded. The gun has many upgrades since I shoot it for competition. It runs great and is still even on the original recoil spring. I have never had a problem with factory ammo. I have had issues with my reloads feeding before, just as many competitors do. Some of the problems were my own error in seating depth or crimp. Some of the problems may be due to running 9mm ammo through a 40 cal gun. I now run Montana gold jhp's in the gun and case gauge all my ammo. I rarely have a problem now.

Kachok
June 8, 2012, 06:40 PM
Both have functioned flawlessly for me, but for me the ergonomics of the XDm is superior so it is my top pick

Prince Yamato
June 8, 2012, 07:05 PM
Most people who shoot wont run the guns hard enough to notice a difference. I'd say that Glocks probably have a slight edge, due to fewer parts.

Kiln
June 8, 2012, 07:38 PM
Look up the XD torture test. I don't know if they'll outlast a Glock but they're sure as hell alot more comfortable.

That goes double for the XDM. My guess is that the XD pistols will run more ammo than you can afford to shoot and if there is an issue, Springfield Armory will take care of you.

I know it isn't much compared to some but my XDM 4.5 chambered in .40 S&W has fired about 5,000 rounds or so now with two jams...I'd say that is pretty good performance.

NG VI
June 8, 2012, 09:49 PM
No problems with my Glocks, other than the fact that they're Glocks


That was my problem with them as well, until I owned a couple.

Appears to be the biggest internet issue with them too.


I know it isn't much compared to some but my XDM 4.5 chambered in .40 S&W has fired about 5,000 rounds or so now with two jams...I'd say that is pretty good performance.

I agree. I don't think a rare choke here or there is anything to be concerned about, you really can't read much into a malfunction that doesn't reoccur. There are just too many weird variables in manufacturing goods to mistrust a consistent pistol because of an isolated failure.

Techsan
June 8, 2012, 10:03 PM
My G19, which has been my first and only polymer pistol, is my regular carry gun. For whatever reason the XD Essentials package 9mm at $399 has recently caught my eye. I don't need it but I'm real tempted.

Weevil
June 8, 2012, 10:56 PM
I've got an XD40. It has had some feed issues with Federal ammo. It also has an annoying habit of getting stuck on the first round if you pull back on the slide rather than using the slide stop, does this with any ammo.

I've got two Glock a G26 that's my EDC and a G20. The Glocks have both been flawless with any ammo and the G20 has an aftermarket barrel and lives on reloads.

All-in-all I would agree the XD has better ergonomics and I love the shorter trigger reach, but the Glocks are a simpler and IMO better design that lends itself more to better reliability. The Glocks are also easier to work on if you detail strip your pistols.

They're both good guns though and I do enjoy shooting the XD more and as long as I don't use Federal ammo reliability is great.


Can't say much about durability. They all look great after thousands of rounds and nothings broke or wore out on any of them or looks like it will anytime soon.

coolluke01
June 8, 2012, 11:00 PM
They're the same. Glock came first, but Springfield is Springfield.

Yeah, that's my biggest beef with the XD's, it's not a Springfield! I prefer to be able to deal with the gun's manufacture not a middle man. Parts availability can be an issue.

I know many that love their XD's. One kinda blew up at my range the other day. Powder residue all over the guys hands, no injures though.

Like others have said. They may be just as good, but they don't have anywhere near the track record Glock has. This can be achieved with time. But Glock does have them when it comes to simplicity and a lower number of parts.

I think your decision should really come down to the grip angle for you. If you can learn to shoot with the Glock I think it's a better system. If you can't I would go for the M&P and then the XD.

GLOOB
June 9, 2012, 12:12 AM
If durability is an issue, buy a dozen of each and call it a day. It'll be a fraction of the cost of the ammo it'll take to break just one.

leadcounsel
June 9, 2012, 12:59 AM
Marginally different pistols, all incredibly reliable and durable. I simply prefer Glock.

But if you can get 30,000 rounds out of any of them, at .30 cents per round on average, that's $9000 in ammo out of a $500 gun... not a bad result...

peacebutready
June 9, 2012, 01:08 AM
The XD may someday prove it is as durable as a Glock, but to date no one has come close to replicating what Glocks have proven they can handle. There are several G-17's with near, or over 300,000 rounds and still going strong.

http://www.tactical-life.com/online/combat-handguns/glock-17-9mm-torture-test/

Nothing has come close to proving it can handle abuse either

http://theprepared.com/content/view/90/administrator/

Not saying an XD can't do it, but until someone does, my vote is with Glock.

XD's have been around for a while now. I they can do it surely someone has tried.




Excellent information. Thanks for the post and links.

Andrew Wyatt
June 9, 2012, 01:16 AM
parts are really hard to find for XD's.

peacebutready
June 9, 2012, 01:17 AM
Both have functioned flawlessly for me, but for me the ergonomics of the XDm is superior so it is my top pick

My problem is I'm more attracted to the XD/XDm, but want a polymer that can go through hell and still fire.

Also, we need to be concerned about mag. limitations in the future, depending on how things go late this year.

peacebutready
June 9, 2012, 01:29 AM
I think your decision should really come down to the grip angle for you. If you can learn to shoot with the Glock I think it's a better system. If you can't I would go for the M&P and then the XD.

That's another thing. My first in line is a steel model with a traditional grip angle (I hope I didn't say that wrong), I wonder if going back and forth between grip angles will throw a person off too much.

coalman
June 9, 2012, 01:40 AM
Owned XD. Fine guns. Prefer the more simple, more prevalent (parts/accessories) Glock. If you can wear either out you have my envy.

Weevil
June 9, 2012, 01:43 AM
parts are really hard to find for XD's.



Oh really???

What exactly is it you're having trouble finding?


http://shop.powderriverprecision.net/category.sc;jsessionid=BD31EF0A4A0CEE65AD880BC353A7F198.qscstrfrnt02?categoryId=4


http://xdguys.com/shoppingcart/

Kiln
June 9, 2012, 03:47 AM
Can't you just call Springfield for parts? They'll probably send you most of them for a fair price excluding trigger group and certain other parts. (Most factories want you to send in the gun for trigger group replacements.)

Now if you're meaning upgrades then yeah you're probably right there, big advantage for Glock. The XD parts are out there but they sell out faster than they restock. There seems to be a steady enough supply of aftermarket stuff for the Glock.

Buck Kramer
June 9, 2012, 08:37 AM
XD parts are super easy to find. What are you looking for? The roll pins and springs can be found at places llike midway, brownells, etc. Sears, triggers, ejectors, barrels, and really anything else can be found at pistolgear, xdguys, and powder river.

That being said there were not as many holsters but that is getting better.

NG VI
June 9, 2012, 08:47 AM
I wonder if going back and forth between grip angles will throw a person off too much.



Generally it won't unless you have really bizarre hands or shoot a very particular pistol to the exclusion of all others. With Glocks it seems that any new shooter who listens to instructions ends up shooting them pretty well.

There isn't really a 'traditional' grip angle, there is just the somewhat straighter angle that the 1911 uses, and a lot of people came up on those. For a lot of shooters, especially ones over 30-40, that's the way any autoloader is expected to feel. If you don't run tons of rounds through one pistol, going to one with a different grip is probably not going to noticeably affect your shooting.

And ultimately you aren't going to war, you're buying a commercially available pistol for private use. Get whatever you want, we've got a pretty good crop of current production pistols these days.

Okie45
June 9, 2012, 09:15 AM
http://web.archive.org/web/20051212091303/http://springfield-armory.primediaoutdoors.com/SPstory11.html
There is the link to the old XD torture test. Google search also works well for this kind of research.

TimboKhan
June 9, 2012, 10:25 AM
Never had any problems with finding parts for an XD!

My thing is that I really like Glocks, but for whatever reason the new Gen4's give me slide bite. I don't know why, as this was never a problem before, but it was a big enough problem that I sold off my new gen 4 only a month after I bought it.

Sort of on a whim, I bought an XD. So far, that has turned out to be an excellent choice. I have ran several hundred rounds through it, and I honestly can't find anything major to complain about, and there are some things about it I like over the Glock (slide release being the big one).

I can heartily recommend either at about the same level of confidence based on experience, but for me personally the XD is proving to be the better pistol.

Andrew Wyatt
June 9, 2012, 12:04 PM
from what i understand from talking to people who use them for duty guns, they break the little firing pin retaining roll pin when dryfired a lot, and OEM parts aren't something you can just buy a bag of to keep around.

FIVETWOSEVEN
June 9, 2012, 01:39 PM
from what i understand from talking to people who use them for duty guns, they break the little firing pin retaining roll pin when dryfired a lot, and OEM parts aren't something you can just buy a bag of to keep around.

http://xdguys.com/shoppingcart/products.php?product=OEM-%23-11-%252d-Sear-pin

Weevil
June 9, 2012, 01:41 PM
Powder River makes an improved striker retainer pin for the XDs.

It's a rolled spring design rather than the orignal split-pin design.

http://shop.powderriverprecision.net/product.sc?productId=32&categoryId=4


It's really only a problem if you dry fire a lot without a snap-cap or don't replace the pin with a new one after a detail strip.

But it is one of the reasons I prefer the design of the Glocks.

Sapper771
June 10, 2012, 10:24 AM
It comes down to a matter of preference. Both are quality firearms.

I prefer Glock for reasons already stated.

REAPER4206969
June 10, 2012, 10:07 PM
Glock came first, but Springfield is HS Produkt.
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peacebutready
June 20, 2012, 12:57 AM
Thanks all for your responses.

ny32182
June 20, 2012, 09:52 AM
If you can afford the $12000-$24000 in ammo it would take to start to find out, you can afford to replace a few small parts here and there to keep it maintained.

engineer88
June 21, 2012, 02:27 AM
The whole grip angle thing fascinates me. I know people who love their 1911, hate the Glock angle, but love a Luger which is even more steep. I always found that strange.

Am I the only weird person on the planet that can switch between 1911 and Glock (at the same range session) without issue? Heck, I usually have a revolver or rifle or two with me as well.

FIVETWOSEVEN
June 21, 2012, 02:46 AM
I've got an XD40. It has had some feed issues with Federal ammo. It also has an annoying habit of getting stuck on the first round if you pull back on the slide rather than using the slide stop, does this with any ammo.


It not working when you release the slide by pulling it back is caused by you. You're riding the slide too much.

Bobson
June 21, 2012, 04:31 AM
I owned an XD40 Service, and sold it before giving it enough of a chance. If I could turn back time, I wouldn't have sold it; but now that I have, I can't bring myself to buy another. I'm not sure why. Probably a matter of pride, to be completely honest.

Frankly, I do have more faith in a G23, and I'll rest easier with the Glock, but I never, ever had a single issue with the XD.

Its a matter of preference, IMHO. My experience with each is that the differences are insignificant.

peacebutready
June 21, 2012, 01:08 PM
If you can afford the $12000-$24000 in ammo it would take to start to find out, you can afford to replace a few small parts here and there to keep it maintained.

It's fine to replace the "striker retainer pin" with a better aftermarket one but other than that I'd like it to be extremely reliable and durable. That's my motivation for a polymer. Also motivated to try it-never had one before. I prefer my steel/alloy guns, though.

It seems the XD subcompact is heavier and taller than what I'd like. I need to check out the XD(m)'s weight/height.

Hunter125
June 21, 2012, 02:19 PM
It seems the XD subcompact is heavier and taller than what I'd like. I need to check out the XD(m)'s weight/height.
Go check out Hicock45's YouTube video on the XDsc. He does an excellent comparison of the size with a sc Glock. The XD is slightly bigger, but not as much as it looks at a glance. Sorry, don't have the link handy.

Bobson
June 21, 2012, 02:54 PM
Go check out Hickok45's [fixt] YouTube video on the XDsc. He does an excellent comparison of the size with a sc Glock. The XD is slightly bigger, but not as much as it looks at a glance. Sorry, don't have the link handy.
I was just looking at this video the other day. Its right here:

www.youtube.com/watch?v=gk6zDGFqhgQ

Its the Glock 27 compared to Springfield XDsc-40.

Big_John1961
June 21, 2012, 04:36 PM
All I can say is that my XDm 4.5 .45 has been flawless through about 1000 rounds, and I get the sense that I couldn't make it fail if I wanted to. It shoots great, it's accurate and it slings .45ACP rounds downrange. Not much bad to say there.

I've had Glocks, but I prefer this pistol.

deputy tom
June 21, 2012, 04:41 PM
I can hold onto an XD pistol just fine but most Glocks are too fat in the grip. The only Glock that I can grip/shoot is a model 17. I can shoot any XD configuration. As far as durability, someone said XD s will only last half as long as a Glock. That's OK with me. I'll be dead long before I shoot 150,000 rounds out of one pistol. YMMV. tom.:cool:

ETA as far as reliability goes, I've had a few ftf in a couple of Glock 19s but not one malfunction in two XDs so far.

gym
June 22, 2012, 11:20 AM
I like Glock better also, because I have been shooting them longer. But it's a good pistol.

JustinJ
June 22, 2012, 12:16 PM
I have more faith in Glock than the XD or MP but the latter feels the best to me. Glocks longevity not only has given them more time to prove its reliability but to also tweak it.

Sheepdog1968
June 23, 2012, 12:18 AM
As for parts being hard to find, for me my 30-30 lever action is the one I love to take out shooting. I didn't want to find myself in a situation where I couldn,t use it because I had to wait for some small part. So, I just bought a bunch of parts. Some took a few months as theynwere out of stock but now i have just about all the extra parts I could ever want. You can do this for any firearm if you are concerned.

In fact, I have a few firearms I've bought multiples of because I really like them.

wwace
June 23, 2012, 07:30 AM
I have both Xd's /XDM and 1 Glock. The XD series pistol seem much better made than the Glock, the Glock plastic is very thin and I really do not like the pig nose. I have had one failure to eject in the G35.40 cal. I love the XD 45 I have, what an excellent gun and I paid 210$ less than the Glock and it came with 4 mags and a light. I have had zero failures in the XDM 9mm and the XD45. Also the Glock is not as accurate as the Springfields for me, YMMV.

peacebutready
June 23, 2012, 07:46 PM
As for parts being hard to find, for me my 30-30 lever action is the one I love to take out shooting. I didn't want to find myself in a situation where I couldn,t use it because I had to wait for some small part. So, I just bought a bunch of parts.


I've had that in the back of my mind for parts that are most likely to go. This post makes me feel more motivated to do that.

First up are extra mag and recoil springs. Wolf seems to have good prices if you buy a 10-pack.

peacebutready
June 23, 2012, 07:55 PM
As far as durability, someone said XD s will only last half as long as a Glock.


Someone needs to do a torture test with the Glock, XD, and M&P together. That would be interesting.

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