Cheaper than Dirt, I didn't know?


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maq
June 8, 2012, 11:11 AM
Hi all,
I've been looking for a particular Match Ammo that is available online but not so much in the local stores here in Dallas. Lucky for me I thought, we have a couple Cheaper than Dirt Stores in the Dallas/Ft.Worth area.

So I call the local store and ask if they have the ammo I'm looking forj in stock before I drive all the way out there. They say no. I say, "you have it in your catalog" can you order me some and I'll come by and picksome up. She says, "no that's called 'will call and we don't do will call'. I said Oh, well I was trying to save the shipping cost for Ammunition which is relatively high because of the weight of the purchase, besides its in your catalog, why can't I order some from the store?

Then she said, " we are not a part of the Catalog Store, they do their own thing". So I said, I see the catalog store is a subsidiary of the larger company and she said no. Oh... you subcontract the catalog purchases and she said no. I said, I don't understand, and she said, we are two completely separate companies with different owners and Boards of Directors.

So I said, Isn't this cheating? against the law, fraudulent advertising or something? You get the atvantage of the name, the catalog sales and massive national advertising, but you don't have to match the price or carry the same products at all. That doesn't sound right, It's like opening a restaurant and calling it P.F. Changs and just serving a few of the regular menu items

She then said, It's ok sir, I'll try to help you with your purchase, what is it that you want? All of a sudden she was willing to , "will call me some ammo" so I didn't have to suffer the shipping cost... wow.... Maybe everyone else knew this but I didn't know!

Something doesn't seem right? Am I wrong? Maq

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wally
June 8, 2012, 11:15 AM
It their business so IMHO they can run it however they please OTOH if you don't like the way they run things, you can shop elsewhere.

Or are you calling for more government goons to force businesses to be run the way *you* think they should be run.

Kyle88
June 8, 2012, 11:16 AM
I don't like CTD because of the way they handle the multi warehouse shipping... This just makes them seem even more sketchy, affiliated or not...

Hypnogator
June 8, 2012, 11:23 AM
I haven't bought bulk ammo from them, but every time I've gone into the Ft. Worth store, I've been able to pick up anything they had in the catalog at their catalog desk. :)

gatorjames85
June 8, 2012, 11:26 AM
There is nothing legally wrong with that. Franchisees do this all the time("Only at participating locations"). Whether it makes good business sense is debatable.

CountryUgly
June 8, 2012, 11:28 AM
When the shipping started outpacing my purchase price I quit dealing with them. So if anything sketchy is going on it wouldn't suprise me.

M2 Carbine
June 8, 2012, 11:30 AM
There are basically two owners. One owns the store and one owns the catalog sales.
I'm not sure but the McKenney store may also be owned by the catalog sales.

The two stores run individual sales on guns, etc.

The store at 820 and 35 also has a catalog counter in the store. I buy most things there.

To add to the confusion not everything (ammo) that's in the catalog can be bought at the catalog sales counter, but must be ordered mail order.

Recently the 820-35 store has had some very good sales on guns. I've bought five and I hardly ever bought a gun at CTD in the past.

Teachu2
June 8, 2012, 11:42 AM
CTD is a relatively new concept, in response to Amazon's success. They are a bare-bones cut-rate retail consortium, and to expect customer service from them to be good is unreasonable. Unfortunately, consumers rarely consider anything but price in their purchase decision - and customer service costs money.

The next level of online retailer will not have humans answering phones. All correspondence will be electronic, and Special Orders won't upset them - 'cuz there won't be any. And all returns will have a hefty restockinf fee... but prices will be cheaper than Cheaper Than Dirt.

Keeperfaith
June 8, 2012, 12:03 PM
I dont like Cheaper than Dirt, Ive placed an order with them for items "in stock" and then they send an email stating ONE certain item is "out of stock" and will be shipped at a later date costing me an additional shipping fee.

I told them to cancel my order, well... it was too late they shipped a couple of small items (bullet puller and primer pocket cleaner) for a hefty $13.00 shipping fee and my other item (a book) was to be sent later for an additional shipping fee. i told them the only reason I ordered from them was because of the book and the other items were thrown in my order just to save on shipping (because they were very light and from the same warehouse).

They werent very friendly and after complaining to mngmnt they cancelled my order, reimbursed me my money and i had to send back their items (they wanted me to take them to a UPS store). I made them send UPS to pick it up because their fiasco was NOT my fault.

I havent ordered from them ever since.

I if a company wants your business they will bend over backwards to make you happy, as long as your not taking advantage. You just want what you pay for.

I shop from Brownells and Midway USA (neither one of them have charged extra shipping for backordered items that didnt ship w/ my original order) and they NOTIFIED me that the items are backordered and will ship for free when they are in stock!!

AND CTD shipping prices really shock me since I LIVE IN TEXAS and the other companies are out of state and their shipping prices are less...Plus their warehouse non sense blows me away. You can order two very small items that ship from different warehouses and get charged a "double" shipping fee which is TOTAL BS if they want to keep business.

Thanks

buck460XVR
June 8, 2012, 12:40 PM
So did the nice lady say the store would match the on-line price without any added costs?

fallout mike
June 8, 2012, 12:44 PM
I've never had any issues buying from them.

IMTHDUKE
June 8, 2012, 12:47 PM
I got a bad taste in my mouth for Cheaper than Dirt when 380s were not to be found and CTD jacked up their prices higher than most everyone else.

Soapy5
June 8, 2012, 12:59 PM
I dont know about the paper catalog, but you can walk in to the McKinney cheaper than dirt guns and use one of the computers in the back to order ammo off the website and get free shipping- still have to pay tax though.

flyskater
June 8, 2012, 01:11 PM
Yup, CTD is a franchise. The one in FT worth is owned by another. The new one at McKinney is owned by the person that owns the website and catalog. Thus you can order stuff from online/catalog and have it shipped to McKinney store, but not to FT worth.

dogtown tom
June 8, 2012, 01:51 PM
maq Am I wrong?
Yes.
From their FAQ's on their website:
Question: Do you have a retail store in Fort Worth, Texas?
Answer: Cheaperthandirt.com is a catalog company and online retailer only. CTD Outdoor Adventures is a separate company with a retail store located in North Fort Worth, Texas. CTD Outdoor Adventures carries many of the same products (those products where the part number starts with a letter) as Cheaperthandirt.com.
CheaperThanDirtGuns in McKinney is another seperate entity as well.


Keeperfaith: their warehouse non sense blows me away. You can order two very small items that ship from different warehouses and get charged a "double" shipping fee which is TOTAL BS if they want to keep business.
+1

IMTHDUKE I got a bad taste in my mouth for Cheaper than Dirt when 380s were not to be found and CTD jacked up their prices higher than most everyone else.
But CTD did indeed HAVE .380.........I could price .380 at $2 a box and it doesn't do you much good if I'm out of stock does it?:scrutiny:

A retailer won't be in business very long if they base their profit/markup on what an item cost them.......you base it on what it will cost to replace that item in stock.

flyskater Yup, CTD is a franchise.
Nope.

IMTHDUKE
June 8, 2012, 02:53 PM
IMTHDUKE I got a bad taste in my mouth for Cheaper than Dirt when 380s were not to be found and CTD jacked up their prices higher than most everyone else.

But CTD did indeed HAVE .380.........I could price .380 at $2 a box and it doesn't do you much good if I'm out of stock does it?

A retailer won't be in business very long if they base their profit/markup on what an item cost them.......you base it on what it will cost to replace that item in stock.


Its called gouging. Before a storm hits and merchants triple their price of plywood that is already scarce....that's called gouging. You may do what you want but...I wont do business with those merchants. We run a B&B. When people are fleeing from a storm and moving inland....our room prices remain the same. Some establishments more than double their rate. That's profiting at the expense of someone elses pain and suffering. I understand that 380 rds are not a necessity, however, the principle remains the same. Would set a tone of integrity if they did not go into a feeding profit frenzy when they get an opportunity in times of shortage. It would make me want to do business with that company if they did not gouge. Maybe not you....only speaking for me.

chevyman097
June 8, 2012, 05:37 PM
I dont oder from CTD. If you look at prices they really arent all that "cheap" so I dont really understand the name cheaper than dirt.

dogtown tom
June 8, 2012, 06:20 PM
IMTHDUKE .....Its called gouging. Before a storm hits and merchants triple their price of plywood that is already scarce....that's called gouging.
No, its not.
"Price gouging" is illegal and requires a "civil emergency" (like hurricane) to become a crime. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Price_gouging

The scarcity of .380 ammunition in 2008-2009 was not due to any civil emergency......but market demand.

If high ammo prices were a crime, 90% of the gun stores in my town would close.:neener:

IMTHDUKE
June 8, 2012, 08:00 PM
dog....you do what you want...I think that is to argue...I will do what I want...have a nice day.

fallout mike
June 8, 2012, 08:27 PM
Duke, if no one else had. 380 then how could ctd jack up their prices higher than everybody else? You said everybody else was out right?

B!ngo
June 8, 2012, 08:42 PM
Interesting story and information. Sounds like it's some form of 'Ace Hardware' where a number of separate companies come together to form a franchise and create new ones thereafter.
However in the case of CTD (where they often have good prices), the issue of paying separately for shipping based on where they stock their items is a non-starter for me. I did it once before I really understood that those would be separate and incremental payments. They are going to have to optimize their warehouse system and drop that model before I order a second time.
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orionengnr
June 8, 2012, 08:52 PM
Back 4-5 years ago I was a fan and a regular customer.

Had a few too many of these "semi-shady" deals and now I may go there once a year. Can't remember the last time I actually bought something there.

(Barely) Cheaper Than Gold Dust is what I have called them since The Great Ammo Scare of '08...

Tony617
June 9, 2012, 12:59 AM
At my local gun store the ammo is very expensive. I bought a couple of boxes of 40 S&W Hornady Critical Duty for $27.99 each plus tax. I looked at CTD and for 5 boxes($18.20) per box so it is $91.00 + $16.05 shipping.

scaper
June 9, 2012, 01:05 AM
I don't buy anything from them. They really are not cheaper than dirt. I can buy anything they sell for less somewhere else.

JoelSteinbach
June 9, 2012, 08:42 AM
Cheaper Than Dirt is no longer cheap, I have found most of the items quite pricey, I prefer Midway with my C&R discount

hang fire
June 9, 2012, 04:35 PM
Years ago, CTD had aftermarket Bersa M85 and M23 magazines for sale at a pretty steep price. I called and asked if they were of a quality to work without problems, they said all feedback was positive in that regard.

I ordered three of each and when received, they were junk, had nothing but jams and stove pipes, I called and said I wanted to return, they said as they had been used they could not accept a return. I asked who was the mfg, was told they were out of business and CTD had bought their last remaing stock.

Since that time, CTD has been numero uno on my $*#@ list.

hang fire
June 9, 2012, 04:44 PM
Cheaper Than Dirt is no longer cheap, I have found most of the items quite pricey, I prefer Midway with my C&R discount

Midway's shipping costs have gotten way out of hand. I go to Graf's if they have what I want, free shipping with a small handling fee.

About the same number of items and weight, shipped 20 bucks from Midway and 8 bucks from Graf's.

JustinJ
June 9, 2012, 04:45 PM
As far i'm concerned their name is false advertising to begin with. I live in Texas and our dirt aint that expensive.

candr44
June 9, 2012, 10:18 PM
I use to check their web site often but when I shopped around I always found someone with a better reputation and price. They never were cheaper.

During the ammo shortage of 2008 Cheaper Than Dirt's prices were way out of line with demand and their competition. They showed their true colors of unbridled greed while AIM Surplus and Walmart didn't raise their prices unless their suppliers raised prices, and yes you could get ammo from AIM and Walmart if you kept a close eye on their stock.

Gun owners keep a close eye on government regulations and taxes so they don't make ammo so artificially exspensive no one can afford to shoot anymore. Then along comes Cheaper Than Dirt doing what we try to stop the government from doing. What really gets me is some gun owners on here think its ok to be so greedy that you set prices way out of line with your cost, competition, and demand. Then try to rationalize it with "supply and demand" or "there's no such thing as too high a price if someone is willing to pay it". People who do business like that will make gun ownership only for the rich and I'm willing to bet most gun owners here aren't rich.

If other people want to spend their money at Cheaper Than Dirt that's their business but they won't be getting my business because the price is too high.

JohnBT
June 10, 2012, 08:23 AM
I don't see a problem with a store setting high prices on cars, bread, guns or whatever. It's a free country and I don't have to buy from them. It also cuts down on the number of places I have to check before I buy. Shortens my nearly unmanageable favorite list, too.

Btw, have you checked the actual price of dirt these days. It's gone up a lot.

John

303tom
June 10, 2012, 08:38 AM
I just call my buddy at Midway, tell him what I need, he calls me or sends me a E-mail when its in & I drive down & pick it up...............

Cheaper Than Dirt!
June 12, 2012, 03:12 PM
We understand the confusion between the catalog, website, brick and mortar stores, and catalog pickup window.

Cheaper Than Dirt! owns and operates the catalog and internet retail sales. It also operates a catalog pickup window inside Cheaper Than Dirt Outdoor Adventures for products in the paper catalog that are in the Fort Worth warehouse.

Cheaper Than Dirt Outdoor Adventures at I-35 and 820 is owned and operated by a separate company. We are paid a licensing fee for the use of the Cheaper Than Dirt name. They can purchase products from us and carry many of the same items, but we do not control their inventory or pricing. There is no overlap of staff.

Cheaper Than Dirt Guns! in McKinney, Texas is set up as a separate company, but shares the upper management of Cheaper Than Dirt!. We have control of this store.


We are now offering products from a number of warehouses on our website. Each warehouse is a separate company not under the control of Cheaper Than Dirt!. This allows each warehouse to set their own prices, including shipping. Each company competes with the other on many of the same products, and manages their inventory and prices. Each has their own agreement with their shipping company. We hope to have a better system in the future that will allow lower shipping costs, but at this point it is still in discussion.

7thCavScout
June 12, 2012, 04:40 PM
I was going to place an order with them for an M1 Carbine Canvas Sling and Oiler. At $19.97 I thought they where at little high but I was okay with it. And then.......$15.41 for shipping & handling. Ummm, no thanks CTD.

chevyman097
June 13, 2012, 11:00 AM
Maybe they should be renamed "expensive as heck". :neener:

Legion489
June 13, 2012, 04:57 PM
Personally, I have not found CTD to be all that cheap. High prices and horrific shipping do not generally make me all that happy. There for I usually shop at Grafs and Brownells. When ever I have had a problem with a product from either company, I call and say "I have had a problem with an item I bought from you" and all is taken care of, quickly, easily and politely. Other companies I have dealt with, such as one with a "love it or return it for your money back" guarantee have turned out to be total rip offs.

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gym
June 13, 2012, 05:40 PM
I bought the inexpensive 556 ammo in 72 grain and with shipping it was still less than walmart who didn't have any other than 55 grain.

7624452
June 13, 2012, 06:59 PM
Their shipping charges are totally unreasonable, so I quit looking at their ads.

atomd
June 13, 2012, 07:51 PM
Their pricing isn't very good to begin with but their shipping is just plain ridiculous. Every single time I wanted to order 2 or 3 items, one item was in a different warehouse and they wanted another 8 or 9 dollars to ship it. No thanks.

They were also the worst as far as raising prices after the shortages following the last presidential election. They wanted $50 for pmags and such. I am a big free market guy...and it's their right to charge even $1000 a piece for them...but it's also my right to not buy stuff from them because of it. Even if they had a good price I would pay a little more elsewhere to avoid dealing with them.

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