9mm 147gr Bullseye load info?


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tyeo098
June 11, 2012, 11:54 AM
Went to the Nations Gun Show here in Chantilly over the weekend. Found a Lee Challenger single stage press for $50, perfect powder measure for 10, and a lee scale for 5. The gods are telling me to start reloading.

Naturally, since I couldn't for the life of me find a Saiga 545, I purchased said equipment and went hunting for components.

Basing off my memory of times I spent loading with my friends (I was just the manual labor that ran the press) I purchased a 250pk of Remington 147gr FMJ-FP and some Bullseye powder.

When looking online, I cant for the life of me find a recipe that will make these bullets go downrange, and I don't want to hurt my CZ75, so can anyone help conjure up some loading info?

Based on load data for similar rounds, I worked up what I think might be ok, and loaded 20 rounds of 3.4gr Bullseye last night with my 7y/o cousin.

Would that be ok? Too light? Too much!?:what:

I need some loading manuals :D

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joecil
June 11, 2012, 12:15 PM
I only had two recipes listed under mine both are pretty close though. Other than that I don't see any others or any for less than 147 gr bullet.

147 gr FMJ 3.4--3.5 grains of bullseye
Berry's 147gr FMJ -- 3.5grains of Bullseye

tyeo098
June 11, 2012, 12:18 PM
Sweet so I was right on target. (Pun intended?)

So If I bought some lighter weight (115gr/124gr) my Bullseye Powder would be useless?

918v
June 11, 2012, 12:19 PM
No, it would be more useful.

tyeo098
June 11, 2012, 12:23 PM
Sweet, Precision Delta has some 1k 124gr's for 85 shipped. I think I snap up some of those and save the 147grs for.... something else?

bds
June 11, 2012, 12:25 PM
This is from 2004 Alliant load data.

http://www.thehighroad.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=166097&stc=1&d=1339463704

tyeo098
June 11, 2012, 12:42 PM
This is from 2004 Alliant load data.

http://www.thehighroad.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=160624&stc=1&d=1331188167
That seems a little... high.

Joe, what book did you get your numbers from?

JamieC
June 11, 2012, 01:01 PM
Make sure you check the OAL, I've read that the CZ has a short 'throat', make sure the reloaded bullet spaces on the case.

tyeo098
June 11, 2012, 01:07 PM
All the ones I loaded were 1.136-1.140 MIN Oal that I saw for 147gr was 1.130

joecil
June 11, 2012, 01:26 PM
The numbers I got was from a site in regards to subsonic loads used in a CZ with suppressor. Other than that I've never found Bullseye listed for use with 9mm though I do use it with 45 ACP and 45 Colt at least till I use up what is left of the pound I have. 9mm I load nothing but 115 gr and 124 gr jacketed bullets. I've never found a listing till the one posted here for it with 9mm. Even Lee's doesn't list bullseye with 9mm but does for 45's.

rcmodel
June 11, 2012, 01:59 PM
Bullseye is really too fast for heavy bullet loads in a high pressure caliber like the 9mm.

Think of hitting a bowling ball with your fist as opposed to pushing it with your palm.

Think how much hitting a bowling ball would hurt your hand?

Same deal smacking a heavy bullet with one of the fastest pistol powders available.

Bullseye is great with normal bullet weights for light target loads.
Not so much if you want full power 35,000 PSI barn burners.

rc

tyeo098
June 11, 2012, 02:08 PM
Bullseye is really too fast for heavy bullet loads in a high pressure caliber like the 9mm.

Think of hitting a bowling ball with your fist as opposed to pushing it with your palm.

Think how much hitting a bowling ball would hurt your hand?

Same deal smacking a heavy bullet with one of the fastest pistol powders available.

Bullseye is great with normal bullet weights for light target loads.
Not so much if you want full power 35,000 PSI barn burners.

rc

So per your advice I should get lighter 124gr bullets for loading with the Bullseye and a slower powder for loading the 147grs?

Wow, I really mixed those two up bad :o no more impulse buys for me!

Josh45
June 11, 2012, 02:15 PM
I would suggest picking up some Power Pistol or even Unique.
Better off, Get a loading manual if you can. If you can't, then go online to
WWW.AlliantPowder.Com OR WWW.Hodgdon.Com and see what they have available for your bullet weight.

For now, Stay away from TiteGroup. It is not a beginner friendly powder.

Nothing wrong with bullseye, Except not goods for 147 really. Better off in .38 Special or .45 ACP...

918v
June 11, 2012, 02:27 PM
You CAN load 147's with Bullseye but limit the use for target loads. So if your 9 cycles with 147's at about 850 FPS, Bullseye will be OK. You should not load 147's to 1000 FPS using Bullseye. It is too fast of a powder. Similarly, you should not load target loads with PP and similar powders. They are best suited for full power high pressure loads. Use Bullseye where appropriate.

tyeo098
June 11, 2012, 02:37 PM
Im ordering the recent Lymans manual and a bullet puller from Amazon now.
Ill pick up 1k of 124gr from Precision Delta also.

Would 124 be an acceptable bullet weight for use with bullseye?

Sorry, Im still trying to wrap my head around this! Im just trying to make cheap paper punching loads. I have Winchester Ranger bonded for HD/PD use.

tly999
June 11, 2012, 03:07 PM
I did not read where you have a caliper to check overall case length. Case overall length is very inportant when loading 9mm because small differences in overall lenght can lead to enormous pressure changes. The following is a Jim Taylor article you might find helpful:

http://www.lasc.us/TaylorSecrets9mm.htm

Good luck and be safe.

Terry

Josh45
June 11, 2012, 03:20 PM
Tyeo,

Go to www.AlliantPowder.com. They have load information for 124 Gr HP using Bulls Eye.

BE CAREFUL as those loads are published is maximum loads. Reduce by 10% to start.

tyeo098
June 11, 2012, 03:36 PM
I did not read where you have a caliper to check overall case length. Case overall length is very inportant when loading 9mm because small differences in overall lenght can lead to enormous pressure changes. The following is a Jim Taylor article you might find helpful:

http://www.lasc.us/TaylorSecrets9mm.htm

Good luck and be safe.

Terry
Lowes had a 6in digital caliper on sale :D


Go to www.AlliantPowder.com. They have load information for 124 Gr HP using Bulls Eye.

BE CAREFUL as those loads are published is maximum loads. Reduce by 10% to start.
My range bans exposed lead (hollowpoints, cast lead, etc) but would the load data work for 124gr FMJ as well?
Is there any difference between plated and fmj?

Thanks all for your help so much!

Josh45
June 11, 2012, 08:14 PM
The only difference between FMJ and plated is the thickness of the jacket.
Usually for Speer plated bullets are pretty thick. You can use that data for your FMJ rounds. Just remember that the OAL is specific to your gun.

tyeo098
June 12, 2012, 12:53 PM
Just ordered 1k 124gr's from Precision Delta.

Now I just need 1k 9mm cases... and a tumbler...

J_McLeod
June 12, 2012, 12:55 PM
For the tumbler try Midway, Berry's or Cabelas. For the 9mm cases, go to your local range and pick some up or check out the trading post here.

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