Which Pistol? 3 Proven 9mm's


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Dynasty
June 11, 2012, 07:12 PM
I'm interested into purchasing my first 9mm pistol. I have three in mind and they are Glock 17/19, Beretta 92/M9, and CZ75B. I know all three are highly regarded pistols and have proven themselves. I'm going to my local gun store soon to handle them all, but I would like to get some insight on which is an excellent all around target, plinking, and home defense pistol. I will ultimately go with what feels best in my hand, but at the same time I want a pistol that will serve me well for a lifetime.

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Nushif
June 11, 2012, 07:18 PM
I'm going to my local gun store soon to handle them all, but I would like to get some insight on which is an excellent all around target, plinking, and home defense pistol.

I think they all are. 8) Not kidding. You really did pick three good guns for just that job.

SharpsDressedMan
June 11, 2012, 07:23 PM
Same as Nushif. It would be almost impossible, and RECKLESS, to recommend one over the others; they are all that good. The Glock, however, should be the lightest to carry, as it is half plastic, if weight matters.

needmorecowbell
June 11, 2012, 07:23 PM
You've got 3 of the best there. Not a wrong answer. My 1st one was a G17, but I wound up liking the 75B better so traded it for one. No regrets. Some will argue the G17 is best for HD/SD, but I think they're all equal if you train with them. I like the feel better of the steel guns, especially for target and plinking. You don't mention SD/CCW, but if you're looking for this too, then that would change my answer to the G17/G19 as these are easier for concealed carry due to lighter weight and smaller dimensionally.

aliveisalive
June 11, 2012, 07:23 PM
Try and rent them if you can.

I had a glock 17 for a bit, and while it wasn't the most comfy for me, It was either really accurate, or I just shot it well. Either way, you really need to shoot em to know!

Still sad I sold it just based on comfort =[

joecil
June 11, 2012, 07:47 PM
Well I carried a Beretta 92 for almost 4 solid years and loved it. Glocks are fine guns just the angle of the grips doesn't suit my hand well so I avoid them. I personally think the CZ is the best of the bunch (I do own one) however sometimes look ruff finish wise they always seem to fire. Now I bought a Taurus 92 and actually like the changes Taurus made to the gun over the Beretta such as putting the safety on the frame rather than on the slide. My also has a tactical rail added, which to me isn't a big deal but to some it might be. Beretta has a better finish however both guns shoot the same and based on mine with well over 10K rounds through it holds up as well. Many of the parts are also interchangeable, such as locking blocks and barrels as well as some springs.

Skribs
June 11, 2012, 07:51 PM
It should be very easy to decide between Glock and CZ/Beretta. I'm not saying there's a right decision, but I think the CZ and Beretta have a lot of similar features, while the Glock is different.

The CZ base model is DA/SA, although you can get other variants, and the Beretta is DA/SA. These will have fundamentally different trigger systems than the Glock. Especially if you plan to carry, it is important to know the difference, and plan ahead based on what you feel offers the best option (the safe first pull with faster follow-ups, or the safe pull for every shot - for consistency - but a heavier pull on follow-ups).

miles1
June 11, 2012, 08:03 PM
Hmmm...WOW thats a tough group as all 3 are awesome in my book.
If i had to choose then i guess i would go...

1.CZ
2.Glock
3.Beretta

To be honest you cant go wrong with any them.If you want something poly/light weight then glock.If you wanna feel some steel(alum) then go cz or beretta.Which ever feels better in your hand.Nice choices to pick from.Win-Win no matter what you pick.Let us know.

jmr40
June 11, 2012, 08:09 PM
I will ultimately go with what feels best in my hand,

That is like deciding which car to buy based on sitting in the drivers seat and never driving the car. Gotta shoot em to know what works best.

I've owned all 3 as well as most everything on the market. In order or preference.

Glock
Beretta
Anything else
Anything else
Anything else
If there are no more options, CZ.

mgmorden
June 11, 2012, 08:41 PM
One of these things is not like the other.

The Glock is a striker fired polymer gun.

The other two are DA/SA metal framed guns.

Between the Beretta and the CZ I recommend the CZ. If you want a DA/SA metal-framed gun compare those. If you want a polymer striker gun you should be making different comparisons (ie, Glock to M&P or XD).

Gordon
June 11, 2012, 08:42 PM
Glock- G-17 and G-19 (and seems like the G-26 too) run as reliably as anything ever built. HOWEVER ; I just don't feel that comfortable in off duty type situations where the gun is not in a hooded and protected holster, even then watch the reholster ! I carried a Glock 17 from the 80s and the 26 was my last BUG in LE use. The triggers are never anything to write home about and neither are the sights.
Beretta M-9 : Seem to run about as well as a Glock (better with the heavier or oddly shaped loads) but bigger and heavier. The DA lets the gun be carried in an uber safe mode yet gets into action quickly. Giant handy ejection port.Can be made to have a good DA trigger and great SA trigger. The sights can be up graded too with good results. Big tho compared to a Glock but mine is a first choice if I had to go into a war type scenario,Aluma gripped,LPA sighted and accurized it is loaded and holstered with 20 spare mags on a vest .
CZ-75: Super accurate, reliable (at least my P01 is) , compact and feels good. Not that great a trigger in either DA or SA but can be made useable.Sights up gradeable as are grips all with moderate difficulty. But a sexy compact tack driver with wonderful ergos and a small ejection port. My P01 is under my bed, sort of, loaded with 15 127 grain +p+ Rangers and with a light on it.
Browning Hi-Power: My favorite of the bunch: a superb trigger is easily had and is fast into action carried cocked and loktd which doesn't scare me like a Glock does.Just a fast damn bullet hose and carried in a speedy holster is a top (minor caliber) gunfighting pistol IMHO. Good sights are obtainable but I use the factory sights well, Novak does a great job on these. BHPs are really a great pistol IMHO, even if the ejection port is a little small.

Kiln
June 11, 2012, 08:48 PM
I have had a Glock 22 and a CZ75B but no Beretta 92 so I can't comment there.

Any of the guns you chose will do fine for the purpose you want them for but for me from a personal standpoint, I prefer the CZ75B to the Glock simply because the CZ feels great in my hand while the Glock doesn't. The CZ's recoil is lighter due to the steel frame so follow up shots are easier IMO. Both have a large selection of aftermarket parts available.

I actually sold my Glock 22 a long time ago because I didn't like it but the CZ75 will definately be sticking around.

InnerVision
June 11, 2012, 09:03 PM
Out of those 3 I'd personally go with the cz75b or bd (decocker version)......the Cz is so comfortable
and accurate ...just very fun and easy to shoot...

My all time favorite 9mm is the sig 226...definitely check one out..

C0untZer0
June 11, 2012, 09:18 PM
Where is the poll ?

AEA
June 11, 2012, 09:21 PM
EMP

David E
June 11, 2012, 09:25 PM
Of those 3, Glock hands down. The other two have issues.

But I would also consider the Smith M&P and the Springfield XD or XDM

GZOh
June 11, 2012, 09:37 PM
The best/proven 'all-metal' 9mms...
Browning HP... CZ 75B... Sig P228...

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Mainsail
June 11, 2012, 10:09 PM
P239.

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777TRUTH
June 12, 2012, 04:36 AM
For home defense I like to attach a light or light/laser combo so the CZ 75B would be out. If you were willing to to consider a CZ 75 SP-01 it will do everything and shoot just as well as the CZ 75B you have listed.

Since you have carry as an option I would say go with a G19 vs the G17, easier to conceal and a little lighter.

I like guns that are natural pointers in my hands and Glock's do not fit me so they would be last on MY list.

FWIW if choosing between the 3 I would go like this

1. CZ 75 SP-01
2. Beretta 92A1 (M9)
3. Glock 19

Kiln
June 12, 2012, 08:18 AM
For home defense I like to attach a light or light/laser combo so the CZ 75B would be out. If you were willing to to consider a CZ 75 SP-01 it will do everything and shoot just as well as the CZ 75B you have listed.

Since you have carry as an option I would say go with a G19 vs the G17, easier to conceal and a little lighter.

I like guns that are natural pointers in my hands and Glock's do not fit me so they would be last on MY list.

FWIW if choosing between the 3 I would go like this

1. CZ 75 SP-01
2. Beretta 92A1 (M9)
3. Glock 19
I agree completely.

David E
June 12, 2012, 09:11 AM
CZ is last, due to mechanism.

Beretta second to last, due to durability issues and slide mounted safety. (the 92G would alleviate side mounted safety concerns)

That leaves the Glock of the guns listed. If you can hide a 19, you can hide a 17, so it's whichever one feels best. If it doesn't "point right," there are ways to fix that. Glocks are durable and user friendly. You can replace any part on a Glock using a rusty nail as a punch while sitting on a flat rock in the dark, in the rain. You can't say that about any other serious handgun.

Creature
June 12, 2012, 09:23 AM
I am sad that the Sig P226 didnt make your list...

Thompsoncustom
June 12, 2012, 10:37 AM
CZ
Beretta
Anything else
Anything else
Anything else
Hi Point
If there are no more options, Glock

MachIVshooter
June 12, 2012, 10:41 AM
Of those 3, I prefer the CZ for it's ergonomics and all steel construction, then the Beretta, then Glock.

Of course, I find the S&W 5906 superior to all for a FS 9mm auto.

elrowe
June 12, 2012, 10:43 AM
EMP
Yep!

Skribs
June 12, 2012, 10:54 AM
I love it when someone says, "should I get A, B, or C?" and people say "D" with no reason as to why. Why should the OP go with a Sig or an EMP over his options?

Tcruse
June 12, 2012, 11:25 AM
Well, the Glock will be the boring choice. You can not brag about it because everyone knows all the details already. At the range, you probably will not get any notice because the range officers will probably have a Glock in their holsters. No special upgrades or parts will be needed. No repair needed so nothing to discuss with you gunsmith. Finish will last a very long time so no need for new finish work. Also, they cost more because you will use more ammo since they are fun to shoot.

Paladin7
June 12, 2012, 12:12 PM
My vote is for the Glock 19 or 17, provided they fit comfortably in your hand.

The Glock is very reliable and proven in hard use, easy to mod, esp. the trigger and find parts for cheap, simple design (which to me is a major plus), you can detail strip it and replace parts on your own, easy to clean and maintain, and you have a lot of options with higher capacity mags, traditionally rifled barrels, longer slides, etc.

The Beretta is large and more difficult to conceal. Personally, I haven't found the Beretta 92 design and its variants to be as accurate as the other choices on your list. They are good, reliable pistols though.

The CZ will probably be the most accurate, but I'm not a fan of its design and materials. That's just me, ymmv.

I've owned them all and still have my Glock 19.

Kiln
June 12, 2012, 12:35 PM
The CZ will probably be the most accurate, but I'm not a fan of its design and materials. That's just me, ymmv.
What is wrong with steel?

DaveShooter
June 12, 2012, 12:41 PM
CZ all the way. I've had 'em all but came back or home to CZ's.

mdThanatos
June 12, 2012, 12:52 PM
I'd vote in the following order:

1. CZ
2. Glock 19
3. Beretta

Based on experience shooting all 3, I would love to own all 3 but that is the order I would go.

viking499
June 12, 2012, 01:18 PM
I'd vote in the following order:

1. CZ
2. Glock 19
3. Beretta

Me too.

Paladin7
June 12, 2012, 01:42 PM
Nothing wrong with all steel. The weight is great when shooting, not so much for all day carry... As to design, I prefer simpler designs, like I said, ymmv.

scythefwd
June 12, 2012, 01:55 PM
any will do. The m9 is a reliable gun, so is the glock and the CZ. The cz 75 felt too think in my hands, as did my beretta. The beretta has grown on me. I don't like the feel of glocks, but a lot of people do.

daybreak
June 12, 2012, 02:35 PM
I vote for a glock 17/19 or a CZ 75b variant. It's a toss up. The beretta is fat in the hand and i don't like the slide mounted safety. If you're going to get a steel gun, my advice is CZ. If you're going to get polymer, my advice is the glock.

tarosean
June 12, 2012, 02:39 PM
Had them all and only have the Beretta left...

Kiln
June 12, 2012, 03:20 PM
Nothing wrong with all steel. The weight is great when shooting, not so much for all day carry... As to design, I prefer simpler designs, like I said, ymmv.
Ah, I see, I was only curious.

Yeah I wouldn't want to lug it around all day either, I would opt for an aluminum or poly framed gun instead personally.

jehicks87
June 12, 2012, 04:51 PM
I own a Beretta, want a CZ-75 (SEVERE gun lust going on there), but am not a fan of the Glock 19. It doesn't fit my hand at all... however I love the 21sf frame.

If I were going to consider a polymer framed striker-fired 9mm, I'd be all over the S&W M&P9. My best friend has an M&P40 and it shoots like a dream. I can only imagine what the 9 would be like. :drool:

Battle Born
June 12, 2012, 05:00 PM
The one that feels the best to you is the one that you will shoot the best.
And I dont just mean the grip. Its important that you feel all three of these and function them.
You might find that the controls are more friendly for you on one more than the other.
Work the slides and the releases, I'm sure that one will stand out to you for one reason or the other.
Call us anytime if we can help,
good luck.

Mark

daybreak
June 12, 2012, 05:02 PM
I respectfully disagree. The one that feels the best in the hand does not always shoot the best. I recommend shooting all 3 and not go by initial feel in the hand. That could be deceiving.

elrowe
June 12, 2012, 05:12 PM
I love it when someone says, "should I get A, B, or C?" and people say "D" with no reason as to why. Why should the OP go with a Sig or an EMP over his options?
Ok, I'll follow-on to my previous EMP agreement...

1) Springfield's warantee program is exceptional. I've never had a problem with either of my EMPs, but an older 1911A1 was fixed on their dime, including shipping, even though I wasn't the original owner and it was over ten years old at the time.
2) EMP points naturally, like all 1911's, due to the grip angle.
3) EMP is machined to very high tolerances, almost everything is match grade or close enough.
4) EMP is very accurate for a 3" barrel - even if I'm the one shooting it.
5) In over 10K rounds from two, I have never had a misfeed that wasn't my fault.
6) In the same 10K rounds, neither shows significant wear or any rough surfaces.
7) EMP is short, narrow, and low enough for easy concealment.
8) EMP is all metal, yet not appreciably heavier than any of the other options.
9) Not too relevant, but it's prettier than any of the others.

C0untZer0
June 12, 2012, 06:54 PM
Why are people omitting the G17 for the Glock option? The OP said Glock 17/19, and I don't see a reason to go with the 19 if it is a home gun.

I'd even advise looking at the G34 and the 17L if it's a HD gun. Both the 34 and 17L have longer sight radius than the 17 or 19 and the extra mass out over the trigger reduce muzzle rise and make them easy to keep on target.


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And I'm surprised no one has said "get a shotgun" yet. :eek:




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Battle Born
June 12, 2012, 07:21 PM
"I respectfully disagree. The one that feels the best in the hand does not always shoot the best. I recommend shooting all 3 and not go by initial feel in the hand. That could be deceiving."

You are right, this does happen and your recommendation to try and shoot all three is great advice for sure.
But in general one should feel comfortable with there weapon and that usually translates into the best one for them.
I can only speak of my own experience as we do this everyday, First at the sales counter to try and find the best gun, size, fit, caliber etc... Then off to the classroom and then finally to the range.

Thanks,
Mark

SEE IT LIKE A NATIVE
June 12, 2012, 08:10 PM
You picked 3 good ones ! I favor the Glock mostly because I prefer guns with no manual safety to forget in a stressfull situation ! If the others are available as de-cock only it would narrow the field . If you are going to have a manual safety I prefer the one on the CZ , the Beretta safety is ,I feel ungainly . Kevin

C0untZer0
June 13, 2012, 12:32 AM
I think people generally under-estimate the importance of controls.

I learned I cannot operate a slide mounted safety that flips up. I guess I could train to get better at it but it would take a lot more training than a flip down frame mounted safety. I compared the flip up safeties of the 92 and the 3rd gen Smiths to the BHP and found out right away I could operate the BHP much easier.

Girodin
June 13, 2012, 12:48 AM
Any of the three are up to the task. Thus it largely comes down to subjective preferences about the differences: safety vs. no safety (and differences in how it operates), SA/DA vs striker fired, etc.

I'd personally opt for the Glock, but as someone else mentioned if it is a range/HD gun then I would probably get a G34 over the G17. I'd get a 19 if I was going to carry it.

Kiln
June 13, 2012, 01:25 AM
And I'm surprised no one has said "get a shotgun" yet. :eek:

I almost did but then decided against it simply because:

1. He seems to only want info on handguns. I wanted to stay on topic.

2. Long guns are much less maneuverable in tight quarters than pistols. When things go bump in the night here I always grab my handgun instinctively.

doggy1953
June 14, 2012, 12:06 AM
Get a Ruger P95, American made and will shoot anything you feed it. very accurate. Love mine.

rhodco
June 14, 2012, 12:24 AM
Can't go wrong with a Glock, but at some point you will want to try and improve the trigger with polishing and aftermarket parts. Or, like I later discovered, just get a Walther PPQ and enjoy the stock trigger as it is!

Wanderling
June 14, 2012, 03:16 PM
Glock 17 (which is what I ended up with) or CZ (which I drooled over but couldn't find locally to try).

Beretta's grip was too large for my hands.

Of course YMMV so why not try all three first ?

wojownik
June 15, 2012, 11:48 AM
Of the three, I went for the CZ-75 - have had it for years, feels right in my hand, super accurate, super reliable.

Regarding the other Glock and Beretta, I've fired Glocks numerous times, and they just have never taken hold of me. And, like Wanderling, I found the 92 to be too large in my hands.

My 9mm lifetime choices are the CZ-75/CZ-75 PCR compact and Sig 225/226/228/229

floydster
June 16, 2012, 10:50 AM
EMP :)

chicharrones
June 16, 2012, 04:44 PM
Get all three. One this year, one next year, and one the next year. Or if money permits, get all three this year. Then shoot 'em, shoot 'em, and shoot 'em some more.

If you tire of one, then sell it or trade it. Out of those three types, I still have the Glock and the CZ. The Beretta treated me very well for about 5 years, but the grip size and slide safety made me finally sell it for another gun.

sixgunner455
June 16, 2012, 05:13 PM
I have a CZ75B SA. I have carried a Beretta M9, and shot other 92 series as well. I have shot G19 and G17 and some of the other Glocks.

My CZ went with me to the range today. It goes almost every time. It's boring - it shoots straight, every trigger pull, and kicks the brass out. There are many variants on the CZ design, including polymers if the steel or aluminum ones are too heavy for your britches. Most of them, except the decock ones, can be carried single action-style, cocked and locked. If you like a NICE, consistent trigger, your CZ will have one out of the box. If it isn't nice enough for you, it is easily upgraded.

Berettas are boring, too. They have shorter trigger resets than my CZ. They seem to shoot straight, and kick the brass out every time. The safeties on the ones I had in the service don't seem to hold up long-term, but they are replaceable items if they wear out, so it's really not that big of a deal.

Glocks are boring. They shoot well. They don't fit my hand at all. The triggers on all but one I have fired ... are not to my taste at all. That one was a gun set up for competition, and had a very smooth, short, crisp, 3.5lbs trigger. Nice trigger, and fun to shoot. For a comp gun, it would be fine, but I wouldn't carry that thing on a bet. :D Neither would the man who owns it - he carries an HK P2000. But he always uses it for his comps.

There are many fine guns out there. These three basic versions you have picked are all among the best. For me, I like the Beretta, Sig, and CZ designs best. The Beretta and CZ fit my hands best. The CZ75B SA with a Hogue wraparound grip is my go-to in a 9mm, full-sized gun. If you want to get what someone else likes best, buy that one. :D

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