Gunboat escort ... for the Staten Island Ferry?


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SleazyRider
June 11, 2012, 08:17 PM
Ventured into lower Manhattan yesterday aboard the Staten Island Ferry, a very pleasant experience. An apparently well-armed escort boat accompanied us all the way and I wondered what was up, perhaps a terrorist alert?

In any event, could anybody tell me anything about the type of armament aboard this craft?

http://i459.photobucket.com/albums/qq315/Magnageek/IMG_6470.jpg

http://i459.photobucket.com/albums/qq315/Magnageek/IMG_6468.jpg

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Nushif
June 11, 2012, 08:20 PM
Not sure how this is gun related, but man, that kid is young.

Phantom Warrior
June 11, 2012, 08:26 PM
That's the M240 7.62mm machine gun (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M240_machine_gun) used all over the U.S. military. I'm not 100% sure but it looks like the standard 240 Bravo we use in the Army.

PT92
June 11, 2012, 08:28 PM
When you say type, I guess you mean model...? It's an FN M240 machine gun:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M240_machine_gun

-Cheers

SleazyRider
June 11, 2012, 08:29 PM
Thank you, Phantom Warrior, that's exactly what I wanted to know. And thanks for the link!

Sam1911
June 11, 2012, 08:39 PM
7-8 years ago we took the kids to do the annual Chesapeake Bay Bridge walk, and the bridges were "guarded" by several of the same kind of small boats that day. But, for whatever reason, that day the Coast Guard was mounting M-60s.

Steve CT
June 11, 2012, 08:44 PM
You were almost certainly seeing the USCG MSST 91106 (MSST New York) at work. My son served with MSST Galveston, as I recall that is the M240. In addition, I think the MSST's have all upgraded from the Beretta to the SIG 229, and there are almost certainly M4's and a shotgun or two on board.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xw6lMzvU7HY

bikerdoc
June 11, 2012, 08:50 PM
Common sight around Norfolk Naval base

firesky101
June 11, 2012, 09:11 PM
Hardest part of that job is not pulling the trigger:D... I assume.

bozzman3
June 11, 2012, 09:12 PM
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USCG_Defender_class_boat

armoredman
June 11, 2012, 09:47 PM
Am I the only one who is sad at the sight?

foghornl
June 11, 2012, 09:49 PM
At first quick glance I thought "German MG-42????" {just by the look of the stock and trigger}

Is that a hard-hulled or inflatable boat? I don't think you would want to open up a "Ma Deuce" on a soft-hull boat.

Am I the only one who is sad at the sight Yeah, armoredman, it DOES bother me some that with the current state of ther world, such actions are needed.

parsimonious_instead
June 11, 2012, 09:53 PM
Am I the only one who is sad at the sight?

I feel the same way, although I'm proud of our military, including the Coast Guard.

PT92
June 11, 2012, 09:54 PM
I get where you are coming from but I am struck by conflicting emotions. It sucks obviously because it brings back all of the horrific memories of 9-11. Conversely, I take comfort in the fact that we seem to be resolute in our commitment that 'it' never happen again. However, that opens up a whole other discussion regarding the ramifications of the increase in awareness ranging from the now almost taken for granted presence of the M240 next to Lady Liberty to the Patriot Act to the .... Let's just Pray that this great Nation can strike a happy and mutually beneficial 'balanced' answer to these seemingly unprecedented difficult times.

-Cheers

postalnut25
June 11, 2012, 09:58 PM
Looks like a Bravo model 240.

The Golf model 240s that get shot out of the Corps Huey's have spade triggers.

Tinpig
June 11, 2012, 10:01 PM
The Defender class is an aluminum v-hull boat...the skirt is rigid foam.

The Coast Guard also has 25' Port Security Boats that are basically big Boston Whalers mounting a 50 cal. M2 in the bow and 7.62 240Bs port and starboard.

My Coastie son deployed to the Kuwait Naval base and the Al Basrah Oil Terminal in Iraq for a year and this was their ride:
http://cdn3.wn.com/pd/3d/d3/49e1ad7632ae31572afb224fc7eb_grande.jpg

Tinpig

Mandolin
June 11, 2012, 10:04 PM
It's a Bravo, but you're wrong about the Golf. The Golf is a Bravo minus the handguard (essentialy). The Charlie has no stock and spade grips, and the Delta has an electronic trigger and is mounted co-axialy on vehicles. Army and Coast Guard use the Bravo, Marines use the Golf.

SleazyRider
June 11, 2012, 10:07 PM
Am I the only one who is sad at the sight?
True enough, but if you saw the soaring buildings being erected at the site of the World Trade Centers, you'd take heart once again. It is a statement in its own right. I'll try to get some pics up.

Eric M
June 11, 2012, 10:08 PM
Am I the only one who is sad at the sight?
No, you're not the only one. I kinda feel sick to my stomach seeing this. It's very uncomfortable sitting unarmed next to a man with an AR-15 on a subway.

Phantom Warrior
June 11, 2012, 10:39 PM
It's a Bravo, but you're wrong about the Golf. The Golf is a Bravo minus the handguard (essentialy). The Charlie has no stock and spade grips, and the Delta has an electronic trigger and is mounted co-axialy on vehicles. Army and Coast Guard use the Bravo, Marines use the Golf.

Charlies are the coax variant. They have the trigger in the normal place but a cut down pistol grip and no trigger guard so the trigger can be manipulated by the coax mechanism in the turret. See below. The Charlies in Bradleys are also right hand feed, interestingly enough.

http://www.imfdb.org/w/images/c/cd/M240C.jpg

Mandolin
June 11, 2012, 10:44 PM
Sorry, got the Charlie and Delta confused.

armoredman
June 12, 2012, 01:59 AM
I get them all confused - when I was in the M-60 was the LMG of choice.

JO JO
June 12, 2012, 02:17 AM
Why do some say this is a sad sight or concerned about this platform, F15 fighters are
stationed at major air ports to.

Sav .250
June 12, 2012, 11:13 AM
Used to ride that ferry for a $.05 back when. :)

Wanderling
June 12, 2012, 11:25 AM
Especially given the fact that neither the gunboat nor the guard armed with an assault rifle could prevent a suicide bombing attack.

Under the pretense of "War on terror" the government and the Congress - both Reps and Dems - have taken away many individual freedoms and more or less canceled the Constitution without any due process. The threat will go away but the Constitution will be crippled for a long, long, long time. Just look at England where everyone's been spied at all day long by a huge network of street cameras. Welcome to the 21st century, please get in line and remember your state ID #.

SleazyRider
June 12, 2012, 01:57 PM
Used to ride that ferry for a $.05 back when. :)
Now it's free, and you'd be amazed at the masses of people it moves. Even the parking was free on Sunday. I guess they figured it would cost more in salaries and benefits to collect the tolls than the actual revenue it produced.

wojownik
June 12, 2012, 03:57 PM
San1911 said: 7-8 years ago we took the kids to do the annual Chesapeake Bay Bridge walk, and the bridges were "guarded" by several of the same kind of small boats that day. But, for whatever reason, that day the Coast Guard was mounting M-60s.


You might have seen the Defender-C class craft, which do have a M-60 mount. The Charlies have a gray hull, and the "standard" Defenders have the USCG orange hull.

And, yes, it is a sad sight in a civil society...

SSN Vet
June 12, 2012, 04:11 PM
Just look at England where everyone's been spied at all day long by a huge network of street cameras

I don't disagree with your statement about the Constitution being erroded, but the comparison to Britain is N/A.... as they do not now, nor have they ever had constitutionally protected rights, as we do.

Subjects and citizens are two different critters.


My speculation is that they are tring to defend against a "bomb boat" like the one that took out the USS Cole in 2000. And though a machine gun could disable a bomb boat, they would have to act very quickly to do so. I was friends with a Coast Guard hillicopter pilot who was on staff at their Acadamy back when I was stationed accross the river at the sub base, and he made a pretty convincing argument that USCG NCOs and JOs have a great deal of responsibility and autonomy thrust upon them, while still very junior.

Salmoneye
June 12, 2012, 05:00 PM
My speculation is that they are tring to defend against a "bomb boat" like the one that took out the USS Cole in 2000.

Bingo.

browningguy
June 12, 2012, 09:23 PM
Quote:
My speculation is that they are tring to defend against a "bomb boat" like the one that took out the USS Cole in 2000.

Bingo.

Unfortunately the chance of them intercepting a bomb boat is near zero in my estimation. A much better chance of catching the bombers loading up at the dock. Once they are underway it's unlikely they will be flying a terrorist flag and announcing their plans over the radio or loudspeakers.

Last year I got caught with a pair of nail clippers in my carry on bag at the airport, they got to count that as stopping a deadly illegal weapon from boarding an aircraft.

GRIZ22
June 12, 2012, 10:07 PM
The USCG patrolling NY Harbor as shown in the photo is not an unusual sight.

Steve CT
June 12, 2012, 10:12 PM
Not sure how this is gun related, but man, that kid is young.
BTW, that is not a "kid". He works long hours for crappy pay and miserable benefits. Just like every other American Service Man and Woman.

The USCG operates worldwide on a smaller budget than the NYPD.

Nushif
June 12, 2012, 10:42 PM
BTW, that is not a "kid". He works long hours for crappy pay and miserable benefits. Just like every other American Service Man and Woman.

Spare me the lecture. I'm an "American Service Man" myself. He does look young. Very young.

tom e gun
June 12, 2012, 11:33 PM
To the folks discussing the variations of the M240 series: the M240 bravo is the standard, portable variant that is usually carried, with the M240 (no letter designation) and M240C being the coaxial models. (one is setup for left hand feed and the other right hand feed for the ammo belts/drums) i know i learned of a couple other models as well at the armorer school in Vilseck, Germany, but my memory eludes me for the moment. i believe the coaxial models also have a charging pull cable instead of charging handle, which when frayed is reputed to give quite the sore hand to the operator without the proper gloves.

Ragnar Danneskjold
June 13, 2012, 12:44 AM
Spare me the lecture. I'm an "American Service Man" myself. He does look young. Very young.

Well then I would advise against calling him a kid. That's a word for 0-17 year olds. That man with the machine gun is an adult doing his job, just like the rest of us.

Wanderling
June 13, 2012, 09:59 AM
SSN Vet: actually, the sad thing is, contrary to what many people think, Britain was at some point a great democracy ruled not by a whim of a monarch but by the rule of law, and back then they had some of the best freedom-guaranteeing laws in the world. It may come as a surprise to many that Brits used to be very proud of their freedoms - guaranteed by the laws, adopted in a democratic fashion by elected representatives, not laid down by some geriatric Queen. However, AFAIK, they never had a Constitution, and over the years, under a pretense of fighting crime and terrorism, their freedoms got erroded.

We have a Constitution, yet we allow it to be erroded anyway. At least in Britain, the errosion of freedoms happened lawfully, while some provisions of the Patriot Act are blatantly unconstitutional and hence illegal. Not that anybody cares. Sorry for the rant.

Sam1911
June 13, 2012, 10:35 AM
Looks like the question is well answered at this point and we're drifting into other matters.

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