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viking499
June 12, 2012, 02:46 PM
For those of you with experience, what powder do you like for the 9mm shooting 115 and 124 grain bullets?

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Certaindeaf
June 12, 2012, 02:50 PM
http://www.thehighroad.org/search.php?searchid=10269129

viking499
June 12, 2012, 02:57 PM
Guess I should have done a search first before posting.......

Certaindeaf
June 12, 2012, 02:59 PM
No problem. There's a lot of information to be had here and it really don't change overnight.

Davidfl
June 12, 2012, 04:28 PM
W-231 AND Universal works for me.

beeenbag
June 12, 2012, 04:38 PM
I like unique awful well. It is a great universal powder too.

Sapper771
June 12, 2012, 05:21 PM
I have used Unique, W231/HP-38, Red Dot, AA #5, Power Pistol, Silhouette/WAP, WSF, WST, Clays, and a few others that I can't remember.

Unique is a good one. It was one of the first powders that I started using. Some powder measures dont meter it very well. I used 5gr with the 124gr and 5.4/5.5 with the 115gr.

W231 is an excellent 9mm powder. I have developed several good loads using it.

WSF is my go to powder for 9mm cast bullets. Low smoke and good accuracy on paper.

Right now, I am using Ramshot Silhouette with Berry's 115gr bullets. I really like it so far. It doesn't really start to shine until you get to the upper end of the data though. It is also very low flash. I like Ramshot's load data because it includes plated bullets.

I have used Power Pistol powder in the past with good results, but I haven't used enough of it yet to really have an opinion. Several swear by it.

Cherokee
June 12, 2012, 07:50 PM
I use WST, HS6 and power pistol. WST works for my all around practice load, PP for top end (lots of flash and bang), HS6 for high end practice load.

elrowe
June 12, 2012, 09:19 PM
I've been using Hogdon Longshot since I started a few months ago and it's been doing very well for me. No chrono, but supposedly about 1200 fps according to the book.

rcmodel
June 12, 2012, 09:25 PM
I use Unique in about everything including the 9mm.

It isn't the newest or fastest powder known to man.

But it hasn't been in continuous production for nearly 100 years because it doesn't do the job as well as most, and better then a lot of them.

rc

tekarra
June 12, 2012, 10:00 PM
I like 700X.

oldreloader
June 12, 2012, 11:51 PM
HP 38, AA #5, and Bullseye are what I use most.

Miata Mike
June 13, 2012, 01:07 AM
I use bullseye for my 9mm plated and JHP loads since it meters very consistent and I have like 6 pounds of it to burn up. :) I seem to end up with a lot of it cheap, even by accident. Went to buy 4 pounds of Unique and it turned out to be Bullseye. Packaging looks real close if you don't look close.

I like the stuff a lot and use it for a lot of different calibers, at least tested.

zxcvbob
June 13, 2012, 01:24 AM
Right now my favorite is Bullseye. In the past I've used Green Dot and that was good too, but I can load Bullseye hotter without it getting "peaky".

The next powder on my list to try is WSF.

Otto
June 13, 2012, 01:45 AM
There's been 15 different powders already mentioned so I'll add 5 more...Solo 1000, N320, Nitro 100, Titegroup and N330. Personally, I hate TG but I had to throw it in there. So which one will the OP choose? The suspense is killing me.

ArchAngelCD
June 13, 2012, 01:51 AM
W231/HP-38 and Longshot are the 2 powders I use most for the 9mm.

giggitygiggity
June 13, 2012, 02:04 AM
4.5 grains of Titegroup under a 115 grain Berry's plated bullet is a very accurate load. I like Titegroup because I can use it for .380ACP, 9mm, .40SW, and .45ACP. The cool thing is that 4.5 grains of Titegroup is within limits for a 115 grain 9mm bullet, a 180 grain .40SW bullet, and a 230 grain .45ACP bullet.

coalman
June 13, 2012, 02:06 AM
Unique. Cheap. Works. Consistent. Good volume for 9mm.

ArchAngelCD
June 13, 2012, 02:09 AM
Unique. Cheap. Works. Consistent. Good volume for 9mm.
You forgot to mention it's also dirty! :uhoh:

J_McLeod
June 13, 2012, 02:51 AM
HP-38/Win 231 and HS-6.

Riceman98
June 13, 2012, 03:05 AM
4.5 grains of Titegroup under a 115 grain Berry's plated bullet is a very accurate load. I like Titegroup because I can use it for .380ACP, 9mm, .40SW, and .45ACP. The cool thing is that 4.5 grains of Titegroup is within limits for a 115 grain 9mm bullet, a 180 grain .40SW bullet, and a 230 grain .45ACP bullet.
I like titegroup because it's cheap and accurate. Local Sportsmans warehouse sells 8lbs for $120.

Otto
June 13, 2012, 03:48 AM
Tite Group, yeah it's cheap and meters ok, other than that it sucks.
Lets see, it burns extremely Hot, causes lead to Smoke, recoil is excessively Snappy, stains the brass, very high density making double charges harder to detect and it's Foul. One bullet manufacturer even recommends against using it with their bullets. As it so happens, TG is no stranger to KBs either. But hey, it's cheap!

777TRUTH
June 13, 2012, 04:46 AM
HP-38 & AA#5 work for me.

dragon813gt
June 13, 2012, 07:52 AM
W231/HP-38 for lightweight bullets. Universal for the heavyweights.


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cfullgraf
June 13, 2012, 08:27 AM
I discovered True Blue during the Great Component Shortage of 2009 and now use it alot in 9x19.

Ram48
June 13, 2012, 08:55 AM
Well I looked at this thread because I am about to become a new reloader
I hoped to get insight to what powder was the favorite. What I really learned
was along with never asking a lady her age I now know to never ask a reloader his preferred powder. :confused::confused:

wankerjake
June 13, 2012, 09:45 AM
I like titegroup a lot in 9mm. Good accuracy, low recoil, cheap. I just worked up some loads with Unique recently and I am impressed. I've used Bullseye and clays as well.

H1500308
June 13, 2012, 01:22 PM
I don't find Unique to be any dirtier than many other powders when loaded somewhere between a mid range/max powder charge. Only when you are loading on the low end will it be somewhat "dirty"....for that matter, most other powders I use are sooty/dirty when loaded light.

Sapper771
June 13, 2012, 01:23 PM
Ram48,

Its not really that sore of a subject. Just preference mostly, like anything else. I dont think i have ever found a completely awful powder yet. There are some powders that do better in certain applications than others. When you start reloading, you will also have your preferences......thankfully there are plenty options out there. The best part about it is when you combine all your components and develop great loads at a fraction of the cost of the factory fodder. I think we are all chasing the "Perfect Load", I know I am and it is enjoyable.

There is a lot of experience on this forum. Dont be afraid to tap into, learn from, and contribute back to it.

MoreIsLess
June 13, 2012, 01:26 PM
I like 231 and Bullseye. Currently I am using AA#2. I will probably try AA#5 next

coalman
June 14, 2012, 01:30 AM
You forgot to mention it's also dirty!
Didn't forget. Unique is clean as most for me. This is my experience:
I don't find Unique to be any dirtier than many other powders when loaded somewhere between a mid range/max powder charge. Only when you are loading on the low end will it be somewhat "dirty"....for that matter, most other powders I use are sooty/dirty when loaded light.

beatledog7
June 14, 2012, 01:58 AM
Bullseye, HS-6, AutoComp, W231.

GLOOB
June 14, 2012, 06:14 AM
My 9mm's don't seem to care which powder I use. Recoil and accuracy doesn't seem to change too much over a wide range of powders.

mike.h
June 14, 2012, 08:37 PM
I too like Bullseye, but I have a pound of WSF that seems to be working OK. The WSF works well behind the 147 gr. black bullet from Precision B.

Vlad357
June 15, 2012, 04:55 PM
I like Unique for the reasons already given and agree with H1500308 and coalman, Unique is about as clean as the other powders I use. Most of the smoke and residue is from the lube on lead bullets.

1SOW
June 16, 2012, 01:04 AM
For those of you with experience, what powder do you like for the 9mm shooting 115 and 124 grain bullets?
For what use?

9mm is very versatile with powder as you've seen. Powders that run efficiently for upper load limits won't run well at all for a light comp. or range load. Powders that run efficiently in the lower ranges won't get you to the higher bullet speeds--pressures are too high.

The slower powders will do nicely loaded "hot"/for higher bullet speeds. Most of these will burn extremely dirty with a light load up to mid-range. BlueDot, HS-6, Unique, and other "slow powders" will get you to the higher speeds for S.D. or personal preferences.

If you're looking for powders that will run clean (burn efficiently) at lower speeds go with the faster powders.

Some powders have a fairly wide load range and work "pretty well" for a range of bullet speeds. Win 231/HP-38 is fairly versatile in several calibers.

To directly answer the question: I load for 9mm minor power factor loads used in competition. I much prefer Vit n320 with 124/125gr bullets at around 1040-ish fps--light loads.
n320 benefits: Single-base powder that runs clean at lower speeds
runs "cool"
Has a fairly wide load range/not too sensitive to small powder changes
Has enough bulk to give a half-full case for my loads
Not temp or position sensitive
Soft recoil/flip--not snappy
Meters excellently

Drawbacks: Won't give you much over about 1100fps with 124/125gr
Costs more--but only a little over a penny per round for my loads


Tailor the powder to your load needs!

viking499
June 17, 2012, 12:50 AM
Leaning towards 231 or Bullseye right now.....how does that sound?

1SOW
June 17, 2012, 02:34 AM
Reasonable

Trent
June 17, 2012, 01:04 PM
Just get one pound if you plan on experimenting with another type later. A pound of powder tends to last a long time in 9mm. :)

Redneck with a 40
June 17, 2012, 02:20 PM
Unique works great in 9mm and I've also found Longshot works good in heavier bullets, 124 grain and up.

TheCracker
June 17, 2012, 02:44 PM
Universal Clays has worked great in all 115/125 fmj, HP or hard cast I've tried in my 2 9mm's. It meters super well and is really clean burning.

My beretta really loves HS-6 for accuracy(universal is good also), but it burns pretty dirty in my experience. It also uses more grains per load so it's less economical.

Peter M. Eick
June 17, 2012, 02:58 PM
I have sort of settled on Power Pistol for 9mm. Seems like a reasonable compromise for jacketed bullets. For lead, Unique is champs to me.

Tony Gable
June 25, 2012, 01:15 AM
I have a pound of Blue Dot and about 17 to 18 pounds of 700X that I inherited. Scrounged range brass. 1000 small pistol primers were given to me by a friend. I bought 250 Berry's 115 gr plated bullets for 24.99. I'm loading for just over .10 cents per round.
Can't see changing powders for quite some time.

Tony

ArchAngelCD
June 25, 2012, 01:29 AM
Leaning towards 231 or Bullseye right now.....how does that sound?
Of those 2 I would, and did choose W231. I'm not a fan of Bullseye for high pressure calibers because it's a very fast powder and it can spike pressures easily.

W231/HP-38 will work well with all bullets weights and both jacketed or lead bullets. I use a lot of W231 in the 9mm. (and most other handgun calibers too)

JO JO
June 25, 2012, 01:33 AM
+1 for power pistol

littlebob3
June 25, 2012, 05:41 PM
I like Winchester 231

Pistol: Sig 226 TO 9 MM Barrel Length 4.4 in
9 MM
Powder: Winchester 231
Bullet: Berry’s 9MM 124 gr

Charge 4.0 grs = 950 fps
Charge 4.2 grs = 996 fps
Charge 4.4 grs = 1,036 fps
Charge 4.6 grs = 1,047 fps
Charge 4.8 grs = 1,099 fps
Charge 5.0 grs = 1,120 fps
Charge 5.2 grs = 1,154 fps

LittleBob3

BBDartCA
June 25, 2012, 11:44 PM
Power Pistol & AA#7. Clean. Very accurate. Easy to work with.

On the fence with Titegroup. Its a little dirty, casefill worrisome. Have problems metering. But its very cost effective and I have a big ole bottle of it.

777TRUTH
June 26, 2012, 01:42 PM
Leaning towards 231 or Bullseye right now.....how does that sound?

Get both if you can. They behave and feel much different.

Marlin 45 carbine
June 26, 2012, 11:20 PM
power pistol has a big 'flashball' but meters well.
Red Dot is low flash and good for cast slugs but more troublesome metering. it's a flake.

viking499
June 26, 2012, 11:24 PM
Leaning towards 231 or Bullseye right now.....how does that sound?

Wrong......

Placed an order today for some 231 and unique. It's what was in stock..........

zeke
June 27, 2012, 09:59 PM
7625 for 115 fmj practice rounds. AA-7, fed mag primers and 124 xtps for more umph.

tglazie
June 27, 2012, 10:39 PM
HP38/W231 is my workhorse 9mm powder, VV N320 is my luxury 9mm powder. I keep both on hand for my .380/9mm loads. The HP38/W231 gets use as my primary .38/.357 powder too so if I had to pick one powder to have on hand that would be it.

4895
June 28, 2012, 12:06 AM
I use 231 for range work and bluedot for top end loads with a bit of flash and bang.

ArchAngelCD
June 28, 2012, 12:54 AM
I tell ya, I use mostly 124/125gr bullet for my 9mm loads but a few weeks ago my son bought a few hundred 115gr Remington FMJ bullet and asked me to load them up for him. I used a charge of 5.0gr W231 under those 115 FMJ bullet and he said they shot great... He did mention they felt like they had slightly less recoil than the factory Remington 115gr UMC ammo but it was close. They were accurate too when shot from a Kel-Tec PF-9.

With a 124gr LRN bullet I load a charge of 4.0gr W231 which is nowhere near the Max of 4.4gr on the Hodgdon site. With a 124gr FMJ bullet I charge 4.6gr which again isn't the Max of 4.8gr on the Hodgdon site. Both loads make great practice range ammo.

With a 124gr JHP bullet my favorite load is 5.7gr Longshot, it's a stout load...

slowr1der
June 28, 2012, 02:05 AM
I'm also a fan of Power Pistol.

iblong
June 29, 2012, 08:02 AM
My plinking and competition loads are with w231,My warm loads are with unique.Unique is a little dirty but its not to bad on the high end of the specs.
I use these two powders for everything except magnum loads.Then I switch to 2400.

918v
June 29, 2012, 01:04 PM
I recommend you start with Bullseye, since all pistol reloading begins with Bullseye. Some people think it's dirty, but they're wrong. Bullseye is clean if you use it correctly. I have a hundred pounds of fancy powders and keep going back to Bullseye.

aerod1
June 29, 2012, 05:18 PM
I have been using "Power Pistol" in my G-19 and G-26 Glocks. It has been working well for me.

dragon813gt
June 30, 2012, 03:40 PM
I recommend you start with Bullseye, since all pistol reloading begins with Bullseye.

I have never heard this, ever. The variety of answers amazes me. Pick a bullet manufacturer/type and then find load data for that bullet. There are a variety of powders that will work in most handgun cartridges.




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918v
June 30, 2012, 10:23 PM
They will work, but not equally well.

JSolie
July 1, 2012, 02:20 AM
I've used AA#7 and Bullseye. I recently tried loading some with WST, but the jury's still out on that one.

biogenic
July 1, 2012, 03:12 AM
I like 231 and Bullseye. Currently I am using AA#2. I will probably try AA#5 next

How did you like #2 vs 231?

777TRUTH
July 1, 2012, 07:01 AM
How did you like #2 vs 231?

I like HP-38/w231 better than AA#2 under 124gr FMJ and plated. Using AA#2 groups weren't tight out of my guns until I got into the 4.2gr range. When I got the groupings I wanted I wasn't satisfied with the feel/recoil impulse compared to HP-38/w231. AA#2 is supposed to work well with LRN but haven't gotten around to trying it yet.

I love everything about AA#5 though and will be replacing BE with #5 for 124gr & 147gr FMJ, plated and LRN.

HP-38 is still my go to powder for 9mm though, wife likes the smooth recoil of AA#5.

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