.45 ACP Which one?


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stinger 327
June 13, 2012, 04:20 PM
I have come across a bunch of .45 ACP pistols that I like. Which ones would be the most reliable from jamming and most accurate?
Which ones good for personal protection and fun on the range?
They would all be the full size models with 5 inch barrels:
1. Sig Sauer P-220
2. Sig Sauer 1911
3. Springfield Bi-Tone Light? model
4. Armscor Rock Island GI model or whatever model is the lowest cost $400?
5. Para-Ordinance Warthog (however this one is a compact .45)

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memphisjim
June 13, 2012, 04:25 PM
P220 from ones listed

tuj
June 13, 2012, 04:33 PM
STI Spartan; great gun, very accurate for a 'budget' gun.

stinger 327
June 13, 2012, 04:41 PM
P220 from ones listed
Any particuliar reason why? Just curious.

EBShooting
June 13, 2012, 04:54 PM
+1 for the P220.

I have carried one (the same one) on and off duty every day since 2000. It has never failed. I have never had a single malfunction with it. It is extremely accurate. I have put over 100,000 rounds through my P220 and I have only sent it back to Sig to have the normal maintenance done.

Eric

memphisjim
June 13, 2012, 04:56 PM
Will function longer with out cleaning

deercop
June 13, 2012, 05:22 PM
I suggest you also consider the HK 45 and HK 45C.

jmr40
June 13, 2012, 05:26 PM
Another vote for the Sig.

Why? I like 1911's, but good ones ain't cheap and cheap ones ain't good.

The 220 is a more modern design that will likely be a better choice overall, probably more accurate, and certainly more reliable.

If you want a 1911, and want a good one, you'll have to spend a lot more money.

9mmepiphany
June 13, 2012, 06:59 PM
Of the choices offered and taking into consideration your concern with reliability and accuracy the SIG 220 would be the obvious choice.

Ben86
June 13, 2012, 07:16 PM
For dead bolts reliability I'd go with the P220.

If you can stomach a polymer framed gun S&W M&P45s are great.

The Lone Haranguer
June 13, 2012, 08:06 PM
The P220 is most likely to be the most reliable.

TonyT
June 13, 2012, 08:27 PM
In a polymer framed pistol I would opt for the S&W M&P45 and in a steel framed pistol the Dan Wesson Pointman 1911.

Dean1818
June 13, 2012, 09:41 PM
I would second the M&P consideration

The 45C carrys very well IWB and accurate

Love mine

mljdeckard
June 13, 2012, 09:44 PM
I will tell you the leest likely to succeed. The Warthog. I love the idea, but I have found, the more you tweak the original design, the more likely you are to have problems.

plouffedaddy
June 13, 2012, 09:57 PM
Of the ones you listed: 220 or XD bi tone.

Rat Robb
June 13, 2012, 10:04 PM
STI Spartan; great gun, very accurate for a 'budget' gun.
I would stand by STI. I purchased a Rangemaster about a year ago and it has ran flawless and can really make a constant 8" group at 25 yds. A couple of weeks ago, I put 5 out of 8 on a 12"x18" steel at 100 yds off-hand, no joke.

I'm looking to get STI Trojan in 9mm hopefully by years end. I would highly recommend the upgrade from the Spartan to the Trojan from the ones that I have handle between basic fit/finish/function.

Have fun deciding

-Robb

ritepath
June 13, 2012, 10:11 PM
P220 sao...cocked and locked.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v398/DBAR/P220SAO2.jpg

http://whichgun.com/img/firearms/pistols/sig_sauer/p220_carry_elite_sao/1.jpg

stinger 327
June 14, 2012, 12:28 AM
P220 sao...cocked and locked.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v398/DBAR/P220SAO2.jpg

http://whichgun.com/img/firearms/pistols/sig_sauer/p220_carry_elite_sao/1.jpg
The 1911 design is cocked and locked or you must rack the slide. The P-220 can do both locked n cocked and double action (one in the chamber) but there is something about the 1911 design that feels good in the hand. Perhaps its not as thick as the Sig and is flat. On the Sig P-220 if you have it locked n cocked does it have that additional safety in the grip?

Rom828
June 14, 2012, 10:32 PM
Seven hundred rounds through my RIA 1911 GI with Kimber mags. Not one malfunction, Nope, not one.

stinger 327
June 14, 2012, 11:17 PM
Seven hundred rounds through my RIA 1911 GI with Kimber mags. Not one malfunction, Nope, not one.
Is this the model that costs around $400 out of the box? No custom work done?

stinger 327
June 14, 2012, 11:19 PM
The P220 is most likely to be the most reliable.
Perhaps it's best to get the P-220 Sig
Then later get the Sig 1911?

Owen Sparks
June 14, 2012, 11:42 PM
I have a full size XD and could not be any more happy with it.

gym
June 15, 2012, 12:03 AM
There are hundreds of similar guns out now, a TRP or Operator from springfield, A Cobra carry, from Baer, a Sig 1911 tactical, or a FN with the red dot is supposed to be one of the best now, also The new XD is on the same level,Wilson special ops, and Bill WIlson carry,The S&W" e" series, Bobtails, Valor, Fusion and on and on. It depends on what you choose to spend, and what the purpose is, Combat, Target, Concealment, Hi capacity, there are so many choices now, you need to have some parameters.The spread on the sig to the RI is huge, if you are looking for under a grand, I like springfields, or Smiths.
You can get a lot for your money from Smith right now.

Auto426
June 15, 2012, 02:29 AM
The 1911 design is cocked and locked or you must rack the slide. The P-220 can do both locked n cocked and double action (one in the chamber) but there is something about the 1911 design that feels good in the hand. Perhaps its not as thick as the Sig and is flat. On the Sig P-220 if you have it locked n cocked does it have that additional safety in the grip?

The P220 can be SAO or DA/SA, but not all at once in the same gun. And no, the Sig 220 in it's SAO setup does not have a grip safety. Most modern guns don't use grip safeties anymore, but there is the occasional exception like the SA XD series.

For a little more explanation on how these different trigger systems operate, take a look at the sticky on the top of the forum: Trigger Mechanisms; A Guide to What's What (http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=248556).

Snaps
June 15, 2012, 04:16 AM
Of your listed options, I will say Sig 1911. I have the Tactical Operations, great gun, shoots and handles very well. Everythign is fit together very nicely as well. Actually don't have a single bad thing to say about it.

Course I prefer 1911 to any other handgun

kyletx1911
June 15, 2012, 04:37 AM
FWIW i own 4 rocks a used gi(3k rds) two tacs 500 rds apice.
Just got a citadel, wich armscorp supplies parts.
They also supply parts for sti. Said all that to say this
Rocks works just fine, all 4 are in my edc rotation.
Now its a question of style, and money.
I am just a poor child(lol) the only thing i have done
to the rocks is change mags and springs.

OneLiveRound
June 15, 2012, 05:12 AM
From the list, Sig 220. I own a Beretta PX4 in .45 that's probably around that pricepoint you're looking at. My go to .45 is my Colt Commander XSE.

stinger 327
June 15, 2012, 12:25 PM
FWIW i own 4 rocks a used gi(3k rds) two tacs 500 rds apice.
Just got a citadel, wich armscorp supplies parts.
They also supply parts for sti. Said all that to say this
Rocks works just fine, all 4 are in my edc rotation.
Now its a question of style, and money.
I am just a poor child(lol) the only thing i have done
to the rocks is change mags and springs.
This gun sounds very promising if I got the P-220 and just wanted to add a 1911 to my collection as one of those gotta have guns without spending too much $$$

stinger 327
June 15, 2012, 12:26 PM
Of your listed options, I will say Sig 1911. I have the Tactical Operations, great gun, shoots and handles very well. Everythign is fit together very nicely as well. Actually don't have a single bad thing to say about it.

Course I prefer 1911 to any other handgun
Is the Sig 1911 a smaller gun than the P-220?

stinger 327
June 15, 2012, 12:28 PM
There are hundreds of similar guns out now, a TRP or Operator from springfield, A Cobra carry, from Baer, a Sig 1911 tactical, or a FN with the red dot is supposed to be one of the best now, also The new XD is on the same level,Wilson special ops, and Bill WIlson carry,The S&W" e" series, Bobtails, Valor, Fusion and on and on. It depends on what you choose to spend, and what the purpose is, Combat, Target, Concealment, Hi capacity, there are so many choices now, you need to have some parameters.The spread on the sig to the RI is huge, if you are looking for under a grand, I like springfields, or Smiths.
You can get a lot for your money from Smith right now.
I want to stay in the $800 range or lower.

Big_John1961
June 15, 2012, 01:21 PM
SA 4.5 XDm.

gym
June 15, 2012, 02:49 PM
I loved my R1, just the standard model with some Burled wood from Sarge at elite, or a pair of aliens from VZ, you can get that for what you are looking to spend, and the gun needed nothing else, It shot like a dream from day one. I think the more expensive models aren't necessary for what you want. I was shooting under 2" groups with it first time out. And I am no marksmen anymore due to my nerve damage. So you can get quite good with it fast.Around $700 plus a cool pair of grips, or leave the stock ones on it, Sarge has a set called "handlers" that are larger than regular and really make the gun feel great. They cover almost all of the metal on the grip surface.
Also added a pic, of a smith CS45, which is a 6round mag, and 26 ozs, that is also a great little carry gun, I bought some chip Mc'cormic, shooting star 8 round mags with bumper pads on them for mine.

Snaps
June 15, 2012, 06:26 PM
couldn't tell ya on size. It's just the same size as every other 1911 hehe.

9mmepiphany
June 15, 2012, 07:27 PM
Is the Sig 1911 a smaller gun than the P-220?
The SIG 220 is about the size of a 1911 Commander

Rom828
June 15, 2012, 07:37 PM
That's the one, $400. Bought it as a beater "truck gun" and the thing out shoots my Kimber. No work done except I drenched it in gun oil to even out the finish.

stinger 327
June 15, 2012, 08:00 PM
That's the one, $400. Bought it as a beater "truck gun" and the thing out shoots my Kimber. No work done except I drenched it in gun oil to even out the finish.
That RIA has been getting great ratings especially for the price.

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