[Walking Dead]

Obviously the Beretta 92, Glock 17 and the Sig 226 are famous for being combat pistols. What would be the best choice for a revolver? Taking into consideration things like accuracy, caliber, weight, barrel length, capacity and of course reliability.

[bigtubby]

S&W 3" model 65 or model 13

[wlewisiii]

^^^^ This.

[wheelgunslinger]

I'll go with the Dan Wesson 357.
Choose your barrel length, your load, and your holster. Then, sally forth.

[jeepnik]

S&W L frame .357 (pick the model of your preference). The extra beef is just what the Smiths needed to be robust enough for heavy use of .357 cartridges. The K frame .357's carry easier, but do take a beating from constant use of "full power" loads.

On the other hand, if a cool factor is also desired, the Colt Python gets the nod. Not as robust, and I don't really like the pull as opposed to push motion to unlatch the cylinder, but you will look good using it.

[56hawk]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/0603/ButchG17/Smith-Wesson/PattonsRegisteredMagnum.jpg

[bikemutt]

If by combat you mean shots have to count, I'd say a Smith model 15 Combat Masterpiece. Since revolvers do fail, from time to time, I'd have a Dan Wesson model 15 .357 for backup :)

[Fishslayer]

Prelock 4" S&W 625 in .45ACP. Plenty of power and fast reloads.

[Onward Allusion]

S&W 327 TRR8. The capacity of a 1911 in 357 Mag.

[David E]

If combat means in the field fighting, or an extremely durable fighting handgun, then adjustable sights are out, as are replaceable/removable barrels requiring special tools.

Barring being a General, it must be chambered in a military cartridge.

A strong case can be made for a 4" heavy barreled (or skinny) Model 10, except that the military load is a 130 grain FMJ

I suggest the S&W Model 22 in .45 acp, preferably a 4". It has it all.

[ArchAngelCD]

IMO any 3" or 4" S&W K frame revolver will be best. Of course everyone will have their preference on fixed or adjustable sights or Blue Carbon Steel or Stainless.

The S&W M65 or M13 (The M&P Magnum)
The S&W M66 or M19 (The .357 Combat Magnum)

If you were asking about .38 Specials it would be:
The S&W M64 or M10 (The M&P)
The S&W M67 or M15 (The Combat Masterpiece)

[Husker1911]

1917 Smith and Wesson in .45acp. Full moon clips, please.

[sidheshooter]

S&W 3" model 65 or model 13
^^^I'm also going with this...

[barnbwt]

S&W 327 TRR8. The capacity of a 1911 in 357 Mag.

Awwww, yeaaah!

It's got the powers of a Coonan in a much more reliable package :neener:

The only thing the 8-shot Scandium six-shooter isn't good for is pistol-whipping (well, unless you mount some pointy/heavy junk on the rails :evil:)

Seeing as I intend to carry it as a backpacking CCW, I thoroughly believe in the Evil Black Revolver's potential (wouldn't be my first choice for intentional combat, that's what rifles are for, but it would make a fine backup with some fast sights).

TCB

[earplug]

Make it a 7 shot 9 MM with a Mountain type barrel, No lug, Round butt, Hogue type stocks. Cylinder and Slide type fixed sights.

[HDCamel]

Honestly, if I HAD to carry a revolver into combat, it'd probably be a 4" Ruger GP100.
It's accurate enough, not too heavy, I like how they balance, and it's built like a tank.

[Taroman]

S&W 681 Distinguished Service Magnum.
Everything you need and nothing you don't:
http://www.hverovhe.com/681.jpg

[velojym]

I'd second the DW, provided it's dialed in right. The previous owner of my 15-2 had the barrel/cylinder clearance set way too tight, causing it to bind up... I got a great deal for it... once I reset the gap to its factory clearance, it pops right along without a care in the world.
Now, I'd feel comfortable carrying it in self defense. With the 6" barrel, and the famous accuracy of these pistols, the only real potential reason for me to miss would rest firmly in my own hands.
Well... I would like to pick up a shorter barrel so I can carry it more often.

[Bikewer]

For the first 15 years of my police career I carried a 4" S&W model 19, the K-frame .357.
Compact enough for constant carry, powerful enough for the job at hand, and plenty accurate. Mine wore the "Jordan Trooper" stocks which made for superb DA shooting.

[jimbo555]

I like the ruger police service six 4inch 357,good balance of size,weight and durability.Also the ability to take it apart yourself easily is unique!

[fatcat4620]

I dont think glock has made a revolver yet:evil: For real the Manurhin MR 73 is probably the best combat revolver ever made.

[bikerdoc]

I like the ruger police service six 4inch 357,good balance of size,weight and durability.

I carried one as my duty gun until we went to wundernines. Still have it. still carry it.

[PabloJ]

S&W 327 TRR8. The capacity of a 1911 in 357 Mag.
Bingo.
Right along that in smaller package is perfection called Model 386P.
If one is into older stuff then six-shot Model 12 RB should be at top of the heap.

[Orion8472]

If "combat" is the key word, . . . then I would think that you would have to go with one having the largest capacity, . . . so one of the few 8 round .357mag revolvers with at least a 4" barrel.

[MedWheeler]

Bikerdoc responds to this:

I like the ruger police service six 4inch 357,good balance of size,weight and durability.

..with this:

I carried one as my duty gun until we went to wundernines. Still have it. still carry it.

My late father carried one during a stint as a deputy sheriff many years back. It's mine now, and I like it a lot as a good fighting revolver.

[threoh8]

This was a good combination in its time:

Webley
http://world.guns.ru/userfiles/images/handguns/great_britain/revolver/1287751618.jpg

plus speed loaders

http://nzaaawgtn.org.nz/images/a11/it11_139.jpg

plus .455 Manstoppers

http://www.oldammo.com/455manstopper.jpg

[bannockburn]

I think the modular construction and overall design of the Ruger Service Six would make for an excellent choice as a reliable and durable combat revolver.

[scramasax]

The S&W model 10 is the most issued military/police revolver in the world. So any of it's siblings would be a good option. I would go with a 3" minimum barrel for concealed carry and a 5" minimum for general use. The .357 is the most versatile caliber. I prefer fixed sights for durability and C&S has a fixed rear sight for S&W adjustables.

As to the comment on the Coonan I have carried an original model B for over twenty years. It has well over 2000 rds. Through it of all different loads and has never failed me and is accurate.

Cheers,

ts

[Brian Williams]

Production would be either a S&W 13/65 3" or a 19/66 3"
Custom, a S&W 581 barrel cut to 3", round butted, Gold bead on the rear face of a patridge front sight, moonclipped and parkerized with a black teflon coat.

[Striker]

I'm partial to K-frames with a 3 or 4 inch barrel, but I also like fixed sight GP-100s.

[Stainz]

No question, the eight shot capacity and moonclip capability convinced me of the utility of my 'extra' 2 5/8" PC627 UDR. It weighs in at <2 oz more than a Model 10, yet is more versatile. For 'combat' use, that rear sight would get replaced with an extreme duty semi-fixed. If you need them, .357 Magnums are a possibility. I trust in the old 'FBI load', the +P 158gr LHPSWC, like the softer Remington R38S12. I keep them moonclipped and in the 5starfirearms.com speedloaders & base plate.

http://s171.photobucket.com/albums/u307/Stainz_2007/IMG_4599.jpg

I can shoot 12-15 yd SPC targets just as fast and just as accurately with the UDR as I can the 4" 627 Pro, but it would be a great choice if you just 'had' to have a 4" barrel. Great triggers on both!

Stainz

[FMF Doc]

I happen to be a fan of the SW ProSeries 686SSR: 6shots of .357, 4" bbl tapered unclerlug, full ejection rod, adjustable rear sight and replaceable front, comming standard with an orange blaze painted ramp. Has everything you need, not much you don't, and I even kind of like the way it looks. And from the factory, it has a competition ready trigger.

The only combat magnum I know of in service in the US right now are custom made 686P used by SEALs and NAVY EOD. It is a hightly tuned 7 shot 357 with 4 inch barrel, XS big dot fron sight, novak style rear, partial underlug with full ejection rod, camfered cylinders to accepts fullmon clips, and G10 grips. The amzing thing is that absolutely everything metal on the gun is made of a high chome stainless steel, every part, every screw and even the custom made springs. I have never personally handled one, but talking to a guy that carried one, it is impervious to rust...period.

[Certaindeaf]

I like the Model-13, 3" with a bobbed hammer and SA sear ground off. Full power springs but slicked up a bit. Smallish Pachmayrs too. And slightly relieved chambers.

But most any good 2-3" K frame would actually do.

[MedWheeler]

Scramasax writes:

The S&W model 10 is the most issued military/police revolver in the world. So any of it's siblings would be a good option.

Good combat revolvers they are, but I would never use "most issued" as a criteria for that statement. Remember, most "issuers" look more at the dollar than at the overall product.

[The-Reaver]

Prelock 4" S&W 625 in .45ACP. Plenty of power and fast reloads

I'll take the 5"

I know a lot of members here on THR are not SHTFers but its actually my choice whorn crossdraw.

http://i625.photobucket.com/albums/tt331/juba811/Current%20Owned%20Firearms/RG625S6.jpg

http://i625.photobucket.com/albums/tt331/juba811/Firearms%20for%20Sale/SW1.jpg

http://i625.photobucket.com/albums/tt331/juba811/Firearms%20for%20Sale/SW4.jpg

[aryfrosty]

My vote would be a .41 magnum 4" Smith & Wesson Model 58. Pachmayr grips. Magna-ported.

[dwhite]

Ruger Security-Six .357 Magnum.

'nuff said!

All the Best,
D. White

[GRIZ22]

I'd say a S&W or Ruger 4" 357. You can argue which particular model is best. I wouldn't consider a Dan Wesson as you need two hands to reload.

[Scuba1164]

Chiappa Rhino 200d

[Certaindeaf]

ohno youdidn't. lolz

[Smith357]

S&W 1917
http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e186/gunnut701/SW1917WITHHOLSTERWEBBELTMOONCLIPPOU.jpg

[Dr.Rob]

Proven: Colt or S&W 1917 with moon clips.

Many say the Colt's exposed ejector rod is a weak point, but I like the action of the Colt. Both are BIG heavy guns.

I suspect the 'actual' better answer is a heavy barreled SW M&P model 13, or dulled down stainless model.

Shotgun News did an aricle on the best of the WW2 revolvers and picked the 1917 S&W and the S&W 'Victory' Model. (granted there was some bias towards the .45)

(Thats' my grandfather's WW2 uniform he was a flight engineer on B-29's--he never carried the Colt but I thought it made for a nice pic.)

[Certaindeaf]

Proven: Colt or S&W 1917 with moon clips.

Many say the Colt's exposed ejector rod is a weak point, but I like the action of the Colt. Both are BIG heavy guns.

I suspect the 'actual' better answer is a heavy barreled SW M&P model 13, or dulled down stainless model.

Shotgun News did an aricle on the best of the WW2 revolvers and picked the 1917 S&W and the S&W 'Victory' Model. (granted there was some bias towards the .45)

(Thats' my grandfather's WW2 uniform he was a flight engineer on B-29's--he never carried the Colt but I thought it made for a nice pic.)
May God bless your Grandpa.

[Certaindeaf]

..I wouldn't consider a Dan Wesson as you need two hands to reload.
What on earth are you talking about? Do you know how revolvers work?

[DC Plumber]

THE Smith and Wesson Model 19 with a 4" barrel.

[Cosmoline]

Is the question what's the best one that actually WAS a combat revolver, or what would be best TODAY?

If we're talking today, I'd say the Security Six. It's tougher than a K frame but light weight and has a very easy field takedown system for cleaning.

If we're talking historical, I'd go with the Webbles .455. It saw far more real life front line action than the .357's ever did. Also easy and fast to reload and packs sufficient punch without overdoing recoil. It's more focused on very close range work than the modern magnums, which is just what you want.

[Certaindeaf]

So the Webley is the "best combat revolver"!

Uh no

[Ash]

Uh, yes. The Webley Mk VI is generally regarded as the best, or among the best, combat revolvers ever. It went there and did that and proved itself.

The 1917's are superb revolvers as well.

[bikemutt]

What on earth are you talking about? Do you know how revolvers work?
I think what was meant is it takes two hands to open the cylinder owing to the latch position.

[roaddog28]

I like the ruger police service six 4inch 357,good balance of size,weight and durability.Also the ability to take it apart yourself easily is unique!
I would agree with you. A S&W model 13 4 inch is also a good option.
http://i656.photobucket.com/albums/uu283/HPitt74985/RugerServiceSix.jpg
http://i656.photobucket.com/albums/uu283/HPitt74985/SWM13c.jpg

[cpirtle]

Yeah, I have to go with an N frame.. Either a 4" Model 28, the PC 327 or the TRR8.

I shoot the TRR8 for IDPA and carry occasionally in the winter, the 327 is my EDC belt gun.

http://www.pirtlemade.com/images/Leather/N_Frame_leather/IMG_1271.JPG

http://www.pirtlemade.com/images/Leather/N_Frame_leather/IMG_1269.JPG

http://www.pirtlemade.com/images/Leather/N_Frame_leather/IMG_1274.JPG

[rcmodel]

Just judging by the numer of actual gunfights and battles they have been in over the last 100 years?

Got to be a S&W K-Frame in .38 Spl/.357 Mag (military and police use), or N-Frame in .45 ACP or .45 Colt (military).

No other revolver is even close, except the comparable models made by Colt.

rc

[Walking Dead]

@cpirtle, those are awesome!

[Swing]

Call me an old fart, but the S&W Model 10 is the first thing that comes to mind when I see "combat revolver."

Beyond that, I can't believe I'm saying this, but the Manurhin MR73 is a slick wheel gun. That and the Ruger Security Six.

[earplug]

A pistol is one piece of additional gear to add to a soldier.
I suggested a L frame due to its ability to hold 7 rounds and its proven strength. A nice balance of strength and weight.
I was tempted to suggest a K frame, but its just not as strong for a decade or so of military use as a issue weapon to soldiers.
A N frame is heavier, has a larger grip. Is a bit bulkier with no strength advantage over a L frame and the only advantage I see is the ability to shoot 8 rounds of .357.
The average soldier would be hard pressed to take advantage of such a round and weapon.

[Drail]

3 in S&W 696. Or a 4 in. S&W M 57.

[ApacheCoTodd]

Combat? 1917, either the Colt or the Smith.

[Jim Watson]

Model 19, the COMBAT Magnum.
I will have to take my chances with the adjustable sights, I just can't see the 1873 design hogwallow fixed sight still typical of revolvers.

Some of the others mentioned are no doubt fine shooters but are heavier to carry around until the combat breaks out.

[David E]

Model 19, the COMBAT Magnum.
I will have to take my chances with the adjustable sights, I just can't see the 1873 design hogwallow fixed sight still typical of revolvers.

A combat revolver for YOU is one thing. One to be issued to troops is another. It is the second premise I made my post about fixed sights, as I share your views on the fixed sights.

Were I to choose a fighting all-purpose defense revolver for ME, ammo supply, etc not a problem, a Model 19 or 66 with 3" barrel would be tough to beat.

[GRIZ22]

Quote:
Originally Posted by GRIZ22
..I wouldn't consider a Dan Wesson as you need two hands to reload.

What on earth are you talking about? Do you know how revolvers work?


I know that if I'm using a S&W, Colt, or Ruger and i only have use of one hand I can use that one hand to open the cylinder with it while holding the revolver firmly. Every Dan Wesson I've ever seen has the cylinder release at the front of the crane. You're thumb needs to be about 2" longer than it is to reach the cylinder release on a Dan wesson while firmly holding the revolver.

If you have some secret way of opening up that Dan Wesson with one hand while keeping your hand on the grip of the revolver please educate me. I suppose you might be able to open it with your hand on the top strap but there is also the matter of shifting your hand from the grip to the top strap.

[Ralph G. Briscoe]

I too am sentimental about classic 6-shooters, but as much as I love my Troopers, M10, M15, etc, if the SHTF I would reach for my 327 Nightguard, backed up with my 327pc and a few speedloaders. If these 8-shot .357's had been available in the 70's I doubt that the shift to automatics by LE would be nearly so complete. I wish Smith would make a 10 shot N frame in .327 mag.

[Jim Watson]

A combat revolver for YOU is one thing. One to be issued to troops is another. It is the second premise I made my post about fixed sights,

The op did not mention issue to troops.
I don't think any modern military would issue revolvers of any sort.

There is no reason a fixed revolver sight cannot be as visible as the various autopistol fixed sights. There are a couple of S&W revolvers with Novak sights which are visible, sturdy... and ugly as sin on a nice revolver. Hamilton Bowen makes a neat but usable fixed revolver sight, but on a custom basis at an extortionate price.

I think the old British system should apply. The officer to furnish his own sidearm, of his choice so long as it accepts issue ammunition.

[David E]

The op did not mention issue to troops.

Nope.

I don't think any modern military would issue revolvers of any sort.


Nope.

[skidder]

I would have to go with a 4" Six Series.

My first revolver was a model 15 combat masterpiece and my second was a model 66. They both started to shoot loose and went down the road. My Six Series, on the other hand, are still tighter than a submarine door.

[wheelgunslinger]

Originally Posted by Certaindeaf View Post
What on earth are you talking about? Do you know how revolvers work?


I think what was meant is it (Dan Wesson) takes two hands to open the cylinder owing to the latch position.

Negative. Well, if you have small hands. I don't. I use my thumb to open the cylinder and forefinger to eject, middle to keep the cylinder steady, and push in a speedloader with the right.
But, I also play classical guitar and practice traditional archery, so my hands aren't just large, they're dextrous. It takes about the same or less time than the average guy takes to reload any revolver with a pushbutton release.
Slapping the cylinder around is a good way to bend things too, so it makes for a nice controlled method with almost zero risk of dropping the weapon or the reload.

[mavracer]

I know that if I'm using a S&W, Colt, or Ruger and i only have use of one hand I can use that one hand to open the cylinder with it while holding the revolver firmly.
It's easy to tell your right handed. try loading them with your left hand only.
Heck have you actually tried to get the rounds in the cylinder without using your left.
As to the original question I'll take a 329PD I want it light so I can carry another mag for the M4

[CDR_Glock]

Awwww, yeaaah!

It's got the powers of a Coonan in a much more reliable package :neener:

The only thing the 8-shot Scandium six-shooter isn't good for is pistol-whipping (well, unless you mount some pointy/heavy junk on the rails :evil:)

Seeing as I intend to carry it as a backpacking CCW, I thoroughly believe in the Evil Black Revolver's potential (wouldn't be my first choice for intentional combat, that's what rifles are for, but it would make a fine backup with some fast sights).

TCB

I have the following "Combat revolvers":

S&W Pro Series 8 round Model 627 4"
S&W Performance Center 8 round Model 627 5"
Coonan 1911 7+1 357 Magnum
Ruger GP100 6" 6 round 357 Magnum
Colt Python 4" 6 round 357 Magnum

For a carry pistol, the Pro series 627 is the best compromise in accuracy, weight, capacity, concealment and ease of shooting. If there were a comfortable holster that could hide my Coonan, then I'd favor that due to ease of reload. However, length and weight make it impractical for IWB or Pancake carry. It is really an Open carry pistol.

[bikemutt]

Negative. Well, if you have small hands. I don't. I use my thumb to open the cylinder and forefinger to eject, middle to keep the cylinder steady, and push in a speedloader with the right.
But, I also play classical guitar and practice traditional archery, so my hands aren't just large, they're dextrous. It takes about the same or less time than the average guy takes to reload any revolver with a pushbutton release.
Slapping the cylinder around is a good way to bend things too, so it makes for a nice controlled method with almost zero risk of dropping the weapon or the reload.
Well, I just tried it on my DW 15 and cannot imagine how I could open the cylinder one-handed while still holding the gun in a shooting grip. I have regular sized hands and am easily 2" short of reaching the latch. That said, my 15 has target-style grips which are on the larger side, maybe with a smaller grip it could work, but 2" is a lot to make up.

Let's see some video :)

[charlie fox]

My choice would be a blued Ruger GP-100, 3" barrel, fixed sights in .357 Magnum. Its a tank that will shoot anything you can fit in the cylinder and carries well. This would also be my TEOTWAWKI gun;)

[mavracer]

Well, I just tried it on my DW 15 and cannot imagine how I could open the cylinder one-handed while still holding the gun in a shooting grip.
You don't hold the gun in a shooting grip. you put frame in left hand and use left thumb on latch and left middle finger to open cylinder.

[bikemutt]

You don't hold the gun in a shooting grip. you put frame in left hand and use left thumb on latch and left middle finger to open cylinder.
If you have to "put" the frame in your left hand then its no longer a one handed operation.

[David E]

There are ways to unload a DW one handed, but that's a moot point. What isn't moot is that it requires special tools AND someone who knows how to use them to keep/make a DW adjusted properly.

It's fine for a recreational gun, not so much for a "combat" gun.

[sidheshooter]

Already stated my case, but I see that this thread needs more pics (in addition to the few, but excellent, ones provided thus far).

Here is one from the safe that would work:

http://www.thehighroad.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=166370&stc=1&d=1339867508

And, one just for the OP! :D

http://www.thehighroad.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=166371&stc=1&d=1339867684

[skidder]

Well, I just tried it on my DW 15 and cannot imagine how I could open the cylinder one-handed while still holding the gun in a shooting grip.

My father in law has a Dan Wesson and for a lefty they are the bomb. When I unload a Smith or Ruger... I hold the gun in my right hand (not on grip, but palm under trigger gaurd). My left index pushes the release, and my right thumb pushes the cylinder open and stays rapped through the frame holding the cylinder and gun firmly. On a Dan Wesson I hold the gun the same way, my right index finger raps underneath the frame and releases the latch while my right thumb pushes the cylinder open in one sweet stroke. In goes the speed loader with left hand.

[bikemutt]

There are ways to unload a DW one handed, but that's a moot point. What isn't moot is that it requires special tools AND someone who knows how to use them to keep/make a DW adjusted properly.

It's fine for a recreational gun, not so much for a "combat" gun.
Agreed a barrel swapping tool may be needed to set the b/c gap at some point but the tool is just that, a swapping tool. It's not like the b/c gap drifts arbitrarily once it's been dialed in. At least that's been my experience with my model 15, b/c is set at .004 and that's where it stays.

In terms of "combat", a scenario I admittedly have never found myself in, it seems to me that being armed with a weapon in which one has a great deal of confidence that ordnance arrives on target is an advantage, so for me at least, the DW 15 would be a good choice.

[jscott]

I love the S&W 19 & 66. My 19 was carried by my grandfather for many years in downtown Denver - doesn't look it I know. My 66 (magna-ported) was carried by my uncle with the Tulsa police for many years. That one took down a mountain lion in the city in the 80's. When I worked patrol I would have carried one of these 357 magnum revolvers over any auto if they'd of let me.

http://i893.photobucket.com/albums/ac139/woaviator/Gun%20Pictures/2010-05-11001.jpg

[ghitch75]

325PD.....

http://i39.tinypic.com/n2eetd.jpg

[Ky Larry]

I'd probably choose a Webley Mk VI in .455 cal. It served the British army well from, IIRC, 1887-1963.

[S.B.]

cpirtle
Member



"Yeah, I have to go with an N frame.. Either a 4" Model 28, the PC 327 or the TRR8.

I shoot the TRR8 for IDPA and carry occasionally in the winter, the 327 is my EDC belt gun.
"
Soo many acronyms hard to keep up?
Steve

[420Stainless]

Model 25 Mountain Gun (.45 Colt). Good combination of power/weight/size in a cartridge that is strong at any speed. After that I'd go for an L or K frame in .357 or a .44 special.

[Rail Driver]

I'll put my vote in with the S&W 686, S&W Model 19, S&W Model 29 ... Colt Model 1917...

[LeontheProfessional]

Since we are talking about all around accuracy, reliability and durability. It has to be a Ruger. For me that would be my 6" GP100, worn crossdraw of course, with my 3" SP101 for backup, worn strongside.

http://i843.photobucket.com/albums/zz360/lukedrylie/383732_2639831993249_1179025756_3061663_843702575_n.jpg

[LeontheProfessional]

Model 25 Mountain Gun (.45 Colt). Good combination of power/weight/size in a cartridge that is strong at any speed. After that I'd go for an L or K frame in .357 or a .44 special.

I agree :rolleyes:

http://lonelymachines.org/guns/squib_29.jpg

[Walking Dead]

Already stated my case, but I see that this thread needs more pics (in addition to the few, but excellent, ones provided thus far).

Here is one from the safe that would work:

http://www.thehighroad.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=166370&stc=1&d=1339867508

And, one just for the OP! :D

http://www.thehighroad.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=166371&stc=1&d=1339867684
That's what I'm talking about! Those are pure beauty.

[420Stainless]

I agree :rolleyes:

http://lonelymachines.org/guns/squib_29.jpg
I've found that verifying each shot impacts something down range and also marking my "Ruger Only" ammo boxes with a large red sharpie is an effective way to prevent that problem.

[cpirtle]

I've found that verifying each shot impacts something down range and also marking my "Ruger Only" ammo boxes with a large red sharpie is an effective way to prevent that problem.

Yeah, based on the buldge location that one pretty clearly had something (another bullet?) lodged roughly under the sight blade. I think combat rediness and stupidity are mutually exclusive.

cpirtle
Member



"Yeah, I have to go with an N frame.. Either a 4" Model 28, the PC 327 or the TRR8.

I shoot the TRR8 for IDPA and carry occasionally in the winter, the 327 is my EDC belt gun.
"
Soo many acronyms hard to keep up?
Steve

;)

N frame = Not an acronym
PC = Performance Center
TRR8 = not an acronym AFAIK
AFAIK = as far as I know
IDPA = International Defensive Pistol Association
EDC = every day carry

[cpirtle]

Suprised there's not more love for the 28 in this thread..

Here's my Pre-28, have yet to find a load that this gun doesn't make feel like a plinker round.

http://www.pirtleranch.com/ohioshoot/Guns/pre28/IMG_1387.JPG

[ApacheCoTodd]

Since I've already posted in favor of the old 1917's as "combat" revolvers and this seems to be more of an urban combat thread, I'll throw up my King Cobra as an alternative.

[Brian Williams]

No one has mentioned the S&W GIGN 586 yet that would be sweet.

[David E]

TRR8 probably stands for "Thunder Ranch Revolver 8-shot"

[Rexster]

I would say an early GP100 is a good candidate for a "combat" revolver. My two older ones have what could be called grunge grooves under the extractor, so that small particles of debris, such as unburned powder, will be less likely to cause binding of the cylinder. Ruger makes a good, tough, reliable sixgun.

On a day-to-day basis, for concealment, I would rather actually carry my S&W Model 19 Combat Magnum. This is not idle speculation; I often do carry mine. I reckon it will not tolerate as many magnum loads, over time, as its slightly larger-framed cousins. That is OK, as my aging wrists will not tolerate too many magnums, either. I practice mostly with a Model 17, in .22 LR, and fire enough mid-level/mild magnums through the Model 19 for familiarization.

Regarding the excellent N-frame revolvers, I love their looks, but they are too big for my hands, and for the most part, I do not collect firearms just to look at them. If I had larger hands, and wanted to carry a revolver where extended combat might well happen, I might well opt for an S&W 25 or 625, and carry reloads in full moon clips, inside a sturdy protective pouch.

[SharpsDressedMan]

I'll go with .45acp N-frame: Modified 1917. http://i106.photobucket.com/albums/m247/matquig/DSC06461.jpg

[sixgunner455]

For me, a Model 13 S&W, or an equivalent stainless one - even a 64 in "just" .38 Special - is the ticket, with a round butt and heavy 3" barrel.

[Elm Creek Smith]

S&W Model 13-3, shipped 1982.
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y124/elm_creek_smith/Gun%20shots/DSC02079-1-1.jpg
This is my primary concealed carry gun.

S&W Model 681 (ND), shipped 1982.
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y124/elm_creek_smith/Galveston2010085.jpg
This is a former Tulsa Police Department gun that my wife appropriated from me.

Lately I've become very fond of my issued 4 inch Model 686-6. I'm going to have to buy a 3 inch or 4 inch of my own.

ECS

[StrawHat]

My first pick would be a 4" N frame in 45 ACP or long Colt.

Next would be the S&W 1917 in 45 ACP.



To address a diferent matter,

Rexter ...I would rather actually carry my S&W Model 19 Combat Magnum ... I reckon it will not tolerate as many magnum loads, over time

The M19 will hold up just fine with the 158 grain loads. It is with the lighter weights (110 and 125) that issues developed with flame cutting. Your choice of the M19 is a great one, if you like the 357 Magnum!

[Meeteetse]

I guess I would have to follow the lead of General Patton and carry a pair, but I would probably make the calibers something I could find in the field, like 45acp or 9mm. With that in mind I would probably carry my S&W 625 (45acp) and my Ruger Blackhawk convertible (45acp). After all, in a combat situation my primary is not going to be any handgun, so why not be stylish in what you carry? . . . . .lol

[Mauser lover]

S&W 66
or any "K" frame with a 4 inch barrel for that matter. For a cheepskate you could do a Ruger Security Six, or one of that line of revolver (Speed Six, Service Six...).

Edit: WHAT AM I THINKING?!?!?! The ABSOLUTELY best combat revolver is the S&W 29!

Feel lucky?

[Thaddeus Jones]

The S&W model 19 and pre lock model 66. Everything you need, nothing you don't. TJ

[Rexster]

Yes, StrawHat is correct about the proper loads for the Model 19. It is the light-weight jacketed bullets at high velocity that are most destructive to K-frame sixguns. I happen to like Winchester Silvertips, a not-so-light bullet in a cartridge landed a bit below max pressure, but with a well-established reputation for effectiveness, among Southwest lawmen.

I do use the hot 125-grain JHPs in my sturdier GP100 sixguns; I have seen first-hand what those do to a human.

[YJake]

For me it would be a S&W 686+ with a 4" barrel loaded with some spicy 158grn lightning bolts.

Did I mention the gun needed to be hand polished to a mirror finish and have a set of checkered rosewood finger groove stocks on it too? :cool:

But... back to reality, I'll grab my M10.

-Jake

[skoro]

S&W 3" model 65 or model 13

That would be my choice.

[Wargarden]

Just curious...
I see a lot of .45acp's and .357. Why not .44mag? or .454 or .500 S&W for that matter?
Cylinder capacity? Wrist abuse from repeated recoil?

I'm thinking combat, I would want something with huge knockdown.

[Dr.Rob]

Because unlike Harry Callahan most people can't recover from the recoil of a 44 magnum quickly for a follow up shot or even to transition to a new target.

[19-3Ben]

I'm thinking combat, I would want something with huge knockdown.

.357 mag and .45acp have such a long track record of being great "stopping calibers" that I think you hit the point of diminishing returns with those cartridges. Any advantage you'd get from larger calibers would be negated by the trade-offs you'd have to make to get those gains.

[exiledtoIA]

M-197 Vulcan

[tomrkba]

Because unlike Harry Callahan most people can't recover from the recoil of a 44 magnum quickly for a follow up shot or even to transition to a new target.

The trick there is to use the lighter Speer Gold Dot 44 Magnum JHP 200 grain Short Barrel loads (or equivalent) or use defensive 44 Special ammunition.

[336A]

S&W M58 .41 magnum:D

[SharpsDressedMan]

I'm pretty sure this might qualify for that "one shot stop" that everyone wants from their handgun, but it IS a bit heavy, and only holds five. I load it down for defensive use, but it hits with a 50% greater smack at 800fps with 420grSWC than a .44 Magnum with a 300gr at 1200fps. http://i106.photobucket.com/albums/m247/matquig/DSC05273.jpg

[Wanderling]

Define combat ?

I don't think there's a "combat" revolver. I honestly think there's really no good definition of a "combat" handgun. The "combat" gun must meet the military specifications of a given armed force(s), and generally be reliable and easy to maintain. Historically this meant a whole lot of very different weapons, even in the relatively recent times - from the small-ish P-64 to 1911. Or from Nagant to Webley.

If I was carrying a revolver as a secondary weapon, say as a back up to an assault rifle, I'd like it to be relatively light and compact. 9mm sounds good. If it was to be my main / only weapon (think pre-WWI officer) I'd want it to have a longer range and more punch.

[jeepnik]

Because unlike Harry Callahan most people can't recover from the recoil of a 44 magnum quickly for a follow up shot or even to transition to a new target.
Look more closely at Harry. He is very, very slow on recovering from recoil with his one handed shooting. But, he hits everything he shoots at. Unless the script calls for him to miss to increase the suspense.;)

[David E]

Don't forget, Inspector Calahan loaded his .44 with "light Specials."

[Husker1911]

.44 Special is an entirely worthy cartridge, much akin to the .45ACP. Shot in an N frame with no more than a four inch barrel, it's an worthy combat revolver.

Me? I like the speed of loading/unloading a .45ACP revolver with full-moon clips. FMJs naturally feed smoothly into the chamber while loading. I'm perfectly fine with their performance, too. Big cartridge, slow speed = deadly defense performance. The problem with magnum .44 is the liability of what lies beyond the immediate target.

[shootniron]

No doubt in my mind...if I were chosing, it would be a 4" 686.

[MartinS]

Combat defined, Century Dictionary http://www.global-language.com/CENTURY/


http://www.thehighroad.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=166605&stc=1&d=1340165959

[SharpsDressedMan]

If I recall, the Dirty Harry reference to "light Specials" was when he was on the qualification/competition course. Back in the day, many cops shot lighter loads for practice than they carried on the street. It just made sense to me, for what he was doing (competition coure), then we later saw what appeared to be way more recoil than what "Specials" would generate in the fight sequences, suggesting magnum loads. Hey, it Hollywood! Nothing is really real.

[David E]

Harry was practicing when the rookies showed up and asked what he loaded it with.

It turns out the line was mis-written, but they can't change it now.

I'm going to extrapolate on my own and conclude that his "light specials" were lighter than full house magnums (240 grain @ 1450 fps) and suggest his "special" loads had the same bullet at 1200 fps. Still pretty potent, still accounts for the kick and makes as much sense as a lone wolf cop using a 6.5" barreled .44 magnum in San Francisco!

[easyg]

http://i112.photobucket.com/albums/n165/allenXdog/HPIM7181.jpg

I choose the Ruger GP100 with 4" barrel.

[Wargarden]

Follow up and next target make a lot of sense to go with something with more muzzle control and less flip.

Realistically,I probably would go with a rugged version of a 327, 4" or 5". Couple extra rounds.

But my mind keeps saying, "needs more punch." 629 with a 4".

[Arizonagunrunner]

ccw = Ruger Speed Six 2 3/4 inch barrel 357 magnum
Duty weapon = Ruger GP100 4inch barrel 357 magnum
Woods carry = Ruger Redhawk 5 1/2 357 or 44 mamgnum


side note:
(autos to use)

Ruger LCP 380 = pocket /bug carry
Glock 19 = ccw
Colt series 80 Commander 45 ACP = duty carry

[Wanderling]

Combat defined, Century Dictionary http://www.global-language.com/CENTURY/


http://www.thehighroad.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=166605&stc=1&d=1340165959
I know what "combat" means.

How do you define it applicable to a weapon ? What makes a handgun "combat" as opposed to "not combat" ?

[Deaf Smith]

Ruger..

http://www.thehighroad.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=166016&d=1339370302

Either one of 'em.

Deaf

[razorback2003]

K frame or L frame Smith and Wesson.

[nyresq]

an older 4" 686 with the FP mounted on the hammer, pre lock, pre transfer bar, old school reliability and control... like the one in my safe!!!

[Quat]

My vote would be for a modern double action top break revolver in a non-rimmed caliber, 9mm (+p might not be plausible), 45 apc, or perhaps something replicating a 44spc without the rim, and a 4.5-5" barrel. With an extractor that could pop a full moon clip out as the action was broken open (low pressure because the action is weak also means cases aren't going to be sticking), a fresh clip could be thrown in (just about literally) and the action closed in probably a second or less with practice.

[Okiegunner]

Hands down... a 4" SW md. 686

[Deaf Smith]

Why a Ruger?

Maintenance.

See most revolvers are six shots, DA/SA, swing out cylinder, etc...

But ONLY a Ruger can be taken apart in the field. Dirt, mud, sand, twigs, etc... can be cleaned out without the resort of an armor. None of the others have that.

Yes Rugers are tough. S&W 686's are tough to. Colts (if you can find them) are tough to. But the Ruger can be maintained in the field, and after all we are talking about COMBAT REVOLVERS, not show or field guns.

http://www.thehighroad.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=143812&d=1307816465

All are tough guns above, but the Rugers are better combat guns.

Deaf

[sidheshooter]

^^^This is, of course, true.


One *could* just go with a Wiley Clapp GP100 and move on to a different thread.


But where's the fun in that?

[bikemutt]

^^^This is, of course, true.


One *could* just go with a Wiley Clapp GP100 and move on to a different thread.


But where's the fun in that?
Good point. I just bought one (on layaway). Other than my Redhawks the Wiley Clapp was the first Ruger I saw since forever I just had to have. Who the heck is Wiley Clapp anyway?

[steveo452]

THE Smith and Wesson Model 19 with a 4" barrel.

What he said.

[David E]

Who the heck is Wiley Clapp anyway?

he's a gunwriter

[valnar]

I'll add another recommendation for the 5" Model 625 in .45ACP with moon clips.

[jrod]

I also vote for the S&W 681.

[StrawHat]

I am rather surprised by the number of folks opting for the 357 Magnum.

[Stainz]

How many have dissected a Ruger SP-101/GP-100? First, you need a screwdriver - to remove those grip sideplates and reveal where that take-down pin is supposed to be. I don't know where to find the pin on/in a monogrip equipped (no sideplates) model - oops. No matter - a middle sized paperclip will suffice; "Stop the battle! Anyone have a paper clip?". Okay, hammer spring trapped - assembly removed - apply force on the trigger group retaining - probably stuck - spring loaded plunger - don't slip with that screwdriver while pushing that plunger and add a new sanguination orifice. Now what? You have the frame, trigger group, and hammer spring/strut/paper clip pieces separated. Dissassembly of the trigger group requires a ZipLoc bag, so you an catch the teeny parts. Hammer removal, etc, is straight forward - don't lose the axle/pin. Those parts are 'in the open' in use - shooting clad bullets - much less lube smoke - will help extend cleaning cycles.

Start with a revolver where the innards are pretty well enclosed, hmmm, like a S&W, and you may go through it's service life without removing it's sideplate and innards. My EDC 24/7 pocket protector, a 642, hasn't been apart since I bought it, when I inspected it. Probably 3k rounds through it now - the vast majority being clad. Sometimes I remove the cylinder to clean it, else I clean it with everything 'in situ'. The same goes for my other S&W's, from .327 fed Magnum to .38/.357M to .44 Rus/Spcl/Mag to .45 Colt/Schof/ACP/AR; J, K, L, N. & Z-frames alike. I have had both - dissected everything - I now have only S&Ws!

I am thinking that for 'continued' longterm unserviced life, any revolver should be fed clad ammo of a known decent quality - and without excessive 'smoke'. That 'smoke', whether from excess lube, incomplete propellant combustion, or other sources, including lead, can occlude your sighting view and reveal your position, as well as indicate the source of the acquired filth on your firearm. Try not to shoot excessively smokey, or 'dirty' ammo. Don't acquire filth any faster than you must and deciding who's firearm 'field strips' more easily becomes axiomatic.

Stainz

[jdh]

A pistol is one piece of additional gear to add to a soldier.
I suggested a L frame due to its ability to hold 7 rounds and its proven strength. A nice balance of strength and weight.
I was tempted to suggest a K frame, but its just not as strong for a decade or so of military use as a issue weapon to soldiers.
A N frame is heavier, has a larger grip. Is a bit bulkier with no strength advantage over a L frame and the only advantage I see is the ability to shoot 8 rounds of .357.

My 327 holds more and weighs 5 ounces (Loaded)less than my 586, which does not take moon clips.
The 327 came with combat finger groove grips, the 586 Target grips. The grips on the N-frame are a better fit.

N-frame has more ammo, lighter weight, faster reloads, and better fitting grips. That is why an N-frame.

[David E]

How many have dissected a Ruger SP-101/GP-100? First, you need a screwdriver - to remove those grip(s)

Or you could use the rim of a cartridge case. NO tools are required to disassemble a Ruger Security Six or GP-100

and reveal where that take-down pin is supposed to be. I don't know where to find the pin on/in a monogrip equipped (no sideplates) model - oops. No matter - a middle sized paperclip will suffice; "Stop the battle! Anyone have a paper clip?"

If it's missing, replace it! Silly to imagine you'd be doing this during a firefight.

Okay, hammer spring trapped - assembly removed - apply force on the trigger group retaining - probably stuck - spring loaded plunger - don't slip with that screwdriver while pushing that plunger and add a new sanguination orifice.

Doing this step properly would remove those concerns.

Now what? You have the frame, trigger group, and hammer spring/strut/paper clip pieces separated. Dissassembly of the trigger group requires a ZipLoc bag, so you an catch the teeny parts. Hammer removal, etc, is straight forward - don't lose the axle/pin. Those parts are 'in the open' in use - shooting clad bullets - much less lube smoke - will help extend cleaning cycles.

Soooooo, disassembling a Colt or S&W is somehow easier and requires less knowledge and fewer tools?

Start with a revolver where the innards are pretty well enclosed, hmmm, like a S&W

But a Ruger isn't? Where does the Ruger have more holes than a Smith?

Sometimes I remove the (S&W) cylinder to clean it, else I clean it with everything 'in situ'.

Hope you use a properly sized gunsmith grade hollow ground screwdriver to correctly remove that essential tiny screw.

I have had both - dissected everything - I now have only S&Ws!


It's always nice to find "your" brand, be it guns, shoes or beer. But that doesn't mean other brands don't have some advantages over yours.

I own Ruger and S&W revolvers and will never sell any of them. The Ruger is more rugged, the Smith more refined. There's a place for each of those qualities in my usage.

[David E]

My 327 N-frame has more ammo, lighter weight, faster reloads, (with moonclips) and better fitting grips. That is why an N-frame.

How do you safely carry those 8-round loaded moonclips all day so they won't get bent, yet be secure and reasonably accessible?

[jdh]

Carried three in a coat pocket all winter long with no ill effects. And they do fit in an HKS n frame speed loader pouch.

[Deaf Smith]

Stainz,

Why would you take your revolver apart DURING A FIREFIGHT? Would you completely disassemble your Glock or 1911 while getting shot at?

But no matter what weapon you use, AR/AK on down to a NAA, you will in time have lots of crude in it if you really do use it as a battle weapon.

So maintainability is a serious factor.

If it wasn't then the military's M4s, M9s, M-240, Ma Duce,etc.. would be not be designed to be taken apart in the field.

Deaf

[David E]

Carried three in a coat pocket all winter long with no ill effects. And they do fit in an HKS n frame speed loader pouch.

Ever practice reloading from the pouch or pocket?

I have the HKS N-frame double pouch, while secure, it's slow and bulky.

I suppose the bulky part wouldn't matter for a "combat" revolver, but there are various interpretations of that term.

If concealability was a concern, that's a large gun coupled with a bulky pouch. If its not a concern, then both will work.

[jdh]

Every time I had to qualify at the very least. During lunch breaks on Thursdays for six weeks in a row for the last ten years when I was an instructor. Probably not enough though.

The 6 45 balls were easier to do than the 8 SWC, FYI.

[spotch]

No question, the eight shot capacity and moonclip capability convinced me of the utility of my 'extra' 2 5/8" PC627 UDR. It weighs in at <2 oz more than a Model 10, yet is more versatile. For 'combat' use, that rear sight would get replaced with an extreme duty semi-fixed. If you need them, .357 Magnums are a possibility. I trust in the old 'FBI load', the +P 158gr LHPSWC, like the softer Remington R38S12. I keep them moonclipped and in the 5starfirearms.com speedloaders & base plate.

http://s171.photobucket.com/albums/u307/Stainz_2007/IMG_4599.jpg

I can shoot 12-15 yd SPC targets just as fast and just as accurately with the UDR as I can the 4" 627 Pro, but it would be a great choice if you just 'had' to have a 4" barrel. Great triggers on both!

Stainz
I'm with this guy

[David E]

Every time I had to qualify at the very least. During lunch breaks on Thursdays for six weeks in a row for the last ten years when I was an instructor. Probably not enough though.

That's pretty good practice!

The 6 45 balls were easier to do than the 8 SWC, FYI.

No doubt.

[Clipper]

While there's nothing as pretty as a combat masterpiece, at the end of the day I'd have to go with a 4" security six...

[jadm]

Best combat revolver?

smith model 29 with 44 special

[lg&m]

S&w m 19.

[The Man With No Name]

Wow! I've read all these posts and it was pretty entertaining to see the varying opinions yet the lack of variance in on way. Unless I missed something only one single action revolver mentioned (one lonely Blackhawk). Frankly if you are talking about "combat" handgun then a few things come to mind.

1. Weapon of last resort. Combat handgun isn't the weapon I'm going to fight with. The rifle will be and the handgun will be a tool of last resort when my rifle has experience a catastrophic failure that can't be immediately resolved.
2. With this in mind I just don't see reload speed as an issue.
3. I want a powerful round but with controllable recoil with a reasonable overall weight.

A SAA style revolver in 45 Long Colt just makes the most sense to me with all that in mind. Make it in stainless if I'm in bad situations where constant cleaning is required and I'd narrow it down to a stainless Ruger New Vaquero with a 4 3/4 inch barrel in 45 Long Colt.

http://www.mynakedsoda.com/photos/i-D4zMsjH/0/L/i-D4zMsjH-L.jpg
Yes I know this is an Uberti. I'd choose it just because I like it, use a flap holster for the extra protection, and try to keep it oiled like it needs.

Edit: Not that it really matters but I guess their is also no denying the proven pedigree of the SAA as a true "combat" revolver.

[Green Lantern]

If "combat" is the key word, . . . then I would think that you would have to go with one having the largest capacity, . . . so one of the few 8 round .357mag revolvers with at least a 4" barrel.

I couldn't argue with this...which is one reason I nabbed a Model 627 8-shooter with a 4" barrel a while back. Apparently one of the few ones not a Custom Shop item...?

[gnb]

This one looks like it was made for combat.
http://www.royalarmouries.org/assets-uploaded/images/source/webley.jpg
http://images.wikia.com/guns/images/0/04/WebleyRevolverStock%26Bayonet.jpg

[One_Jackal]

@GNB the pistols with the blade built in were favored by assassins and muggers. The idea is to stick the victim with the blade, then shoot it free.

[Certaindeaf]

The High Sabrina is not recommended for that one. no

[Radagast]

One_Jackal:
The Pritchard bayonet was intended for trench fighting during World War One. I doubt any street thug ever used one.
The Dolne Apache combined knife, knuckle duster and revolver was supposedly popular with street thugs. So many have survived that I'm inclined to believe they were never that popular with crims, being more of a collector or nerd's money waster like Rambo's survival knife in the 80s or Gandalfs sword in the 00s.

[JShirley]

While I now own more revolvers than automatics, the term combat revolver is an oxymoron.

There are none, and for good reasons: fragility, reload speed, and complexity.

John

[Arizonagunrunner]

Duty size is the Ruger GP100 in my opinion.
CCW is the Rossi 720 in 44 Special.

357 and 44 Special are hard to beat.

[C0untZer0]

I thought the S&W Model 19 Combat Magnum would be mentioned every other post, I'm surprised we got 10 posts into the thread without someone mentioning the Model 19.

[Pointshoot]

Anything shot by that guy hickcock45 who you see on YouTube videos ! Now that man can shoot (just about anything).

[SharpsDressedMan]

After watching a Ruger sales rep repeatedly throw a Service Six .357 downrange (outdoor range, lots of dirt and rocks), and bring it back to the firing line and bust off six, I gained a new perspective on "fighting revolver". To say they are fragile, or even complex, might be misinformed. Several famous fighting revolvers, like our two 1917's and the Brit's Mark IV & VI, come to mind. I think we can conclude that some fine revolvers were used and survived some long and arduous wars, and that the users of those gun often had great things to say about them. Why would it be any different today? The close in battles of ANY war are fought with whatever is in hand, whatever works, or whatever is issued, period, be it long guns, digging tools, revolvers, pistols, or knives.

[Friendly, Don't Fire!]

S&W 686 6" .357 Mag
Ruger SP101 .357 Mag
S&W 29 .44 Mag
S&W 629 .44 Mag

in that order.

[Steel Talon]

The S&W Model 19 Combat Magnum revolver of course.

[Seventhsword]

This one is my favorite that I own...

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7253/7455672072_1001a94c25_b.jpg

[Prosser]

Problem with using a pistol in a gunfight is it draws attention, due to the different noise.
NOT a good idea, unless you are TRYING to draw fire.

Good luck with the .357's. Green Beret had an officer try that in a firefight. The officer
became the focal point of concentrated fire very quickly, and was killed.

Stick with .45 ACP, or whatever the bad guys are using.

[Steel Talon]

Problem with using a pistol in a gunfight is it draws attention, due to the different noise.
NOT a good idea, unless you are TRYING to draw fire.

:scrutiny:

[Walking Dead]

Problem with using a pistol in a gunfight is it draws attention, due to the different noise.
NOT a good idea, unless you are TRYING to draw fire.

Good luck with the .357's. Green Beret had an officer try that in a firefight. The officer
became the focal point of concentrated fire very quickly, and was killed.

Stick with .45 ACP, or whatever the bad guys are using.
So your telling me that shooting a gun in a gun fight will lead to people shooting at you? That's a wild concept.

[SharpsDressedMan]

If you fire a pistol in a gunfight with other weapons going off, and the situation is hot, are you really standing still? Did you just empty your pistol in defense? Is that all you have (I think you are screwed, in that case, if you are up against multiple AK carrying insurgents, etc)? For crying out loud, you should be moving ANYWAY! If the bad guys have that much time to isolate you, and get past your fellow defenders, then it was just not your day. I would not worry about the TYPE of handgun you use in that last ditch defensive effort (your rifle is empty, jammed, etc), as you will either survive, or you won't, but you won't have time to worry about it.

[Meeteetse]

Quote:
Problem with using a pistol in a gunfight is it draws attention, due to the different noise.
NOT a good idea, unless you are TRYING to draw fire.

Two things came to mind when I read this; first, do you really think a different noise would be noticed in a gunfight unless the noise is from a much more powerful weapon? If it is a firefight with multiple shooters using AR and AK types, I doubt a pistol of any type would be noticed. Second, if the firefight is with AR and AK type weapons what are you doing with nothing but a pistol? If the gunfight is between pistol shooters do you really think someone shooting at you could tell the difference between a 9mm, a 45acp and/or a 38/357? I'm sorry to disagree but I don't follow your logic.

[beag_nut]

Ruger.
SP101.
Any length barrel.
Relatively small, rugged, accurate, and 100% reliable.
Just learn how to hit using one of your 5 rounds (it's not that difficult).

[rswartsell]

C'mon folks,

It is obvious that handguns are NOT primary weapons in military combat. It is also obvious that when they are utilized, since the turn of the century militaries all over the world have recognized the advantages of semi-autos for military applications.

That does not mean that revolvers cannot be pressed into combat, military or otherwise. The way I read the OP, if a revolver is pressed into combat military or otherwise, which are the best?

A fair question. If you employ your nightstand gun to fight home invaders you are engaged in combat (assuming the invaders are fighting back).

Under these assumptions I'm going to agree with the Mod 19 Smith. It has a lot going for it. The 686 isn't quite as nimble to handle but could easily be the best for some, the 686+ having a seventh round speaking for it. If you are in a situation that justifies the extra bulk and requires greater power then a quality 44 mag in a less than 6" bbl may be the ticket, I assume however that combat with humans is implied and in that case I think the .44 gives up too much for handling/follow up to be optimum.

I agree that the .44 spl. is a sleeper, just not employed in many high quality "combat" platforms.

[Prosser]

I was talking about military combat, in particular in Vietnam. YMMV.
Use what's issued and pray.

[rswartsell]

In Vietnam the Smith Mod 15 .38 spl. won a bunch of converts, mostly Air Force, some Navy. The 19 is simply the .357 mag version.

[Arcticfox]

S&W L frame .357 (pick the model of your preference).

+1.

[Arcticfox]

I agree that the .44 spl. is a sleeper, just not employed in many high quality "combat" platforms.


Employ it in a 629! (don't forget the crimson trace) : )

[yarply]

Surely the only advantage to a revolver is its ability to remain loaded for long periods of time, where a semi auto loaders magazine spring will weaken if left fully loaded. If I had read this post two weeks ago I would have said a 41 mag with about a 4 inch barrel, maybe the 5 & 7/8s Now I would have to maybe rethink that. I just purchased recently a rhino200ds and must say it's an amazing weapon. I have had it for about 3 months. Had never seen or read about it but when I saw the barrel on the bottom I understood the concept immediately. I just wish they had one in a 44 mag. maybe a 4 inch barrel. For personal defense I would highly recommend it. You can shoot the 38s or the heavy mags. One handed.

[texgunner]

I like the 3" S&W K/L frames.

My second choice would be a 625 .45 acp with moonclips.

[Brian Williams]

The following is wrong, where a semi auto loaders magazine spring will weaken if left fully loaded
It is continued cycling of a spring that wears it out.

[mesinge2]

1917 Smith and Wesson in .45acp. Full moon clips, please.
Agreed!


http://i1210.photobucket.com/albums/cc401/mesinge2/My%20heaters/My45ACPSWmodel22-418.jpg

[yarply]

Well brian, thanks for your statement but I have had gunsmiths and competition shooters tell otherwise. Plus it definitely explained to me why my 2 year old 45 which I always leave loaded was having feed issues until I bought new ones.
I will use your statement to re-question them about it though.

[rswartsell]

I believe Brian's right on that one.

[OldCavSoldier]

My life rests on an S&W M686 7-shooter with a 3-inch barrel. Great combat hangun, even if a hint heavy.......

[yarply]

I believe Brian's right on that one.
He may be right. I failed to mention that I have had others tell me the same as he did. Of course I was also told it was recommended to replace normally kept loaded clips and clips that are used regularly about every 6 months and my clips were the ones that came with the gun. (So that everything is kept fresh, ready and reliable.) True? false? It made sense to me. I fell into the better safe than sorry area. And went out and bought a revolver where the issue is a non issue. Now I keep it loaded but keep my semi's unloaded. Thanks guys I will definitely keep this in mind in any future post and will put a,lol, disclaimer that this is a debated issue. lol...

[madstabber]

the s&w 627 pro series because of the great trigger 4 inch barrel is perfect length and 8-shots. not to mention great sights, grip, and stainless steel so it can take the abuse and lack of cleaning encountered in combat situations.

[JShirley]

Sharps,

My statement was technically and historically accurate. Machining 6 or more chambers vs. 1, timing issues, an open system...the revolver is unsuited for genuine combat.

John

[rswartsell]

George Patton carried revolvers into "combat",

At least as iconic props (if you believe the movie he at least shot a jackass with one). One as we all know was a Smith Registered Magnum (his "killing" gun). Bet he would have been thrilled with a no lock 686+ for it's equal cartridge power, greater "firepower" and handier platform.

[SharpsDressedMan]

I'm always amazed at how a tool that has worked in a designated role for over 100 years can all of a sudden not function in that role (revolver in combat). Prolonged pistol fighting in real combat? I think the weapon (revolver or auto) will survive longer than the users. If I were a soldier in the heat of a modern battle (Iraq or Afghanistan), and forced to use a pistol against enemy with rifles, etc, I think I had better quickly shoot an enemy, and get my hands on a rifle. If six or so shots doesn't do it, I am already in trouble, aren't I? I really don't think it matters, revolver or auto, both are on the weak and inefficient side, but MAY get you into a better weapon, or safer place. For what it's worth, I think my stainless Ruger Sheriff's Model .44 Special would stand up to combat conditions, with reasonable care and maintenance, as well as a Beretta M9, and maybe even a Colt 1911 or Glock. Shy of willful neglect or freak damage, I think it can function with the best.

[Hawk]

Best combat revolver?


Whoever said "oxymoron" nailed it.

They're plenty adequate but arguing over which is "best" is akin to taking sides in the "buggy whip wars".

Before anybody piles on, please note the "They're plenty adequate" part.

[rswartsell]

Did you miss #167?

Thanks anyway for informing all of us that revolvers are poor primary military weapons (again).

[yarply]

But a revolver is just a tool and different tools have different advantages that some find desirable. As backup. Or in that rare or not so rare time you get sent down a hole to see if anyone is at the end of it.
A pistol is the proper tool for this situation so it is the desired weapon for combat. Now may be the time to debate a semi over a revolver or vice versa.

[Deaf Smith]

Sharps,

My statement was technically and historically accurate. Machining 6 or more chambers vs. 1, timing issues, an open system...the revolver is unsuited for genuine combat.

John
Best go check what chopper pilots carried in Vietnam. Even after Vietnam revolvers were issued for quite a while. And tunnel rats used .38s as well as 1911 .45s.

Now that does not mean revolvers are good as primary armament. In fact I don't think any handgun is good for primary armament!

And it does not mean a simi-auto fails to outclass a revolver. It does on most issues past the first six rounds, but for a secondary weapon to be carried a well thought out revolver is not at all bad. It's only when you expect the handgun to be more than just a close range defensive weapon on the battlefield do you run into problems.

Deaf

[clance]

http://gunsgunsguns.net/wp-content/uploads/2010/09/Chiappa-Rhino-snub.jpg

Rhino 20DS , 357Mag, 2" barrel, 6 shots, Single & double action, 25 oz.


http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y6/los3088/ChiappaRhino20DSvsSWModel640-ComparisonChart-MASTER3D-1.jpg

Comparison to S&W 640.

I own one and just love it. Little to no muzzle flip with .357s, .38 +P are like shooting a 22LR. Accuracy out of a 2" inch is very good.

[Queen_of_Thunder]

1. S&W Model 610

2. S&W Model 57 or 58

3. S&W Model 25-2

4. S&W Model 29

5. Colt New Service in 44-40

[yarply]

I have a 200DS and it is sweet... So what is the difference between the 20DS and The 200?

[yarply]

1. S&W Model 610

2. S&W Model 57 or 58

3. S&W Model 25-2

4. S&W Model 29

5. Colt New Service in 44-40
I wonder if the 410 pistols will ever make it on a preferred list. I almost bought one. The S&W Governor. A rather versatile weapon to say the least.

[JShirley]

Deaf,

You're talking about someone flying a system armed with (at a minimum) crew-served machine guns. Pilots needed a smaller, lighter sidearm than the 1911a1. It was better than a dirty look. Barely.

Among many other issues, reload complexity and speed dictate the revolver- while capable of killing- is unsuited as even a serious backup.

Using Gen Patton as an example is just silly. He also had himself driven in a luxury car a lot of the time- perhaps a Cadillac Model 75 with sirens would have been good soldier transport around European battlefields instead of Jeeps and trucks?

John

[ofitg]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Husker1911
1917 Smith and Wesson in .45acp. Full moon clips, please.

Agreed!




I'll go along with that.... I wouldn't sneeze at a clip-loaded .357 or 9mm revolver either.

http://i949.photobucket.com/albums/ad336/crawdads/bangers/sw1917003.jpg

[cane]

A long time ago, I was issued a S&W M-15, it was light weight, very accurate, and easy to shoot, as are most K frames. I really liked it, until one night when I tried to reload it in the dark with wet hands, and loose cartridges. Went and drew a 1911 the next day.

[CraigC]

I didn't realize that the term "combat" was exclusive to military applications. :rolleyes:

[JShirley]

It would be "defensive" or "police" otherwise. :)

John

[rswartsell]

JShirley,

My tounge was firmly planted in my cheek in invoking Patton, catch that part about the jackass? Lighten up man!

[rswartsell]

BTW JShirley,

Pilot sidearms have not one thing to do with the armament of the aircraft. They are contemplated for downed pilot scenarios during escape and evade. IMHO it's just plain silly that you thought a pilot would have the collective in one hand and the model 15 in the other whooping and shooting out the side door.

[rswartsell]

Things devolve quickly if we start getting a bit too literal with each other and trying to tamp down everything that strikes you as just plain silly.

[Claude Clay]

if did not have, and am very happy with, a S&W M60 Pro 3" than id vote the M65 in 3".
the Pro carries 158 gr +P LSWC's though it is a 357. with arthritis i load what i shot best.

the S&W 332 2" ties 2nd place with a 642 loaded with 158gr LSWC's

[snakeman]

Bring on the haters! I love my 4" ROSSI 357!

[SharpsDressedMan]

I think I have the answer! Is a centerfire revolver everyone's first choice as a personal defense handgun for a war zone? No. Will it serve in that capacity? It has, and it will. Best REVOLVER for the job? Fill in the blank______________:neener:

[Deaf Smith]

Deaf,

You're talking about someone flying a system armed with (at a minimum) crew-served machine guns. Pilots needed a smaller, lighter sidearm than the 1911a1. It was better than a dirty look. Barely.

Among many other issues, reload complexity and speed dictate the revolver- while capable of killing- is unsuited as even a serious backup.

Using Gen Patton as an example is just silly. He also had himself driven in a luxury car a lot of the time- perhaps a Cadillac Model 75 with sirens would have been good soldier transport around European battlefields instead of Jeeps and trucks?

John
JShirley,

Why would pilots need a lighter gun than a 1911? I really don't think 8 ounces will make that much difference. WW2 Army pilots carried 1911s, Navy and Marines carried S&W M10 and Colt OP .38s.

Keep in mind the pistol is there so you can either get to your rifle or fix whatever is wrong with that rifle. Be it out of ammo, jams, damaged by gunfire, ect... On a battlefield to have just a handgun as your weapon is, well, idiotic.

I remember a guy who was in Vietnam who was given the choice of being issued a 1911A1 or M16 (but not both) by the QM. Of course he picked the M16!

Oh, and read Brennen's War. He was a Aero Scout in Vietnam. He carried his M16, 1911A1, and a S&W .38!

Deaf

[allaroundhunter]

John,

While you say pilots need a lighter firearm than an M1911A1, I will put in my $.02 (or rather, my grandfather's). As a fighter pilot during Korea, he was issued an M1911, and said that the heft did not bother him nor did he ever want to go anywhere without it. He said it gave him a piece of mind, and that other pilots that were issued revolvers did everything they could to acquire a 1911.

He also said (of my M&P), that I needed to man up haha. He said that he would carry that 1911 and 7 rounds of .45 ACP 5 miles before he would carry a polymer pistol 1 mile.

Yes, they may be heavier, but saying a pilot needs something lighter is somewhat of a blanket statement that is not entirely truthful.

Sent from my HTC One X

[jdh]

Ain't nun y'all ever shot a PPC (Police Pistol Combat) competition before?

[SharpsDressedMan]

Isn't a S&W Model 19 a "COMBAT Magnum"? :D

[Jaymo]

The best combat revolver is the one that best fits your hand and shoots accurately and reliably for you, while being powerful enough to do the job reliably.
My 2 pence, free of charge to THR members.
I know it's not terribly helpful. Or, is it?
The choice is as personal as religion, politics, and choosing a mate.

[JShirley]

As I said, I own more revolvers than autoloaders, so obviously there is no "hate". While all of my 4" N frames, for example, are wonderfully balanced and would be devastatingly effective on an enemy at close range, so would a sword.

Loving a weapon in no way equates to it being the best choice for the job. Even our 100 year old 1911 makes a better combat sidearm than any revolver.

John

[jadm]

if weight is not an issue and I was to pick a revolver I would favor an
N frame
model 27, 357 mag (highway patrol model)
model 29, 44 special
model 25-2, 1955, 45ACP
model 25, 45 long colt mountain gun
model 57, 41 mag, if you like recoil

there are many more, I am surprised I haven't seen more votes for them

[SharpsDressedMan]

Started out as a .455 S&W 2nd Model Hand Ejector. Barrel cut, new front sight, and now .45 Colt. I could fight with this. .................................................................... http://i106.photobucket.com/albums/m247/matquig/DSC05648.jpg

[shinyroks]

In my experience, for me, a S&W 66fits the bill. The one I bought was used as a carry gun for an officer here in CO, and had approx 25,000 rounds through it before the firing pin broke for me.

I wouldn't hesitate to use that as a combat revolver. For backwoods use, I certainly trust that over my 1911s, seems much less prone to jams. The only drawback is the da, but that is easily overcome with practice.

[DAdams]

I think I'm going with what I have, a K Frame 19 or 66 with CT Grips, assuming I get to have a long gun or have to use my revolver to get to my long gun.

http://i100.photobucket.com/albums/m22/dadams111/Handguns/P1010007-3.jpg

http://i100.photobucket.com/albums/m22/dadams111/Handguns/PA300028.jpg

[Meeteetse]

If combat is WAR then I will not be taking a handgun except as a backup to my battle rifle, and that depends on if taking more rifle ammo is a better use of space and weight.

If combat is a street fight or a home invasion, then Yes a revolver will work as well as any other handgun if the user knows what they are doing. If they don't know, then no handgun is better or worse.

For me a 1911, Glock or any of my S&W .357 or .44 caliber guns will work. I choose not to use magnums in my revolvers and that speeds up follow up shots if needed. A revolver is not a handicap. The handicap is the operator.

[SharpsDressedMan]

To say a revolver can't fight the good fight is to never have been in a gunfight with the likes of Bill Jordan, Jim Cirillo, or Jerry Mikulek. The first two definitily used revolvers in gunfights, possibly against multiple assailants, and the last, if he never did in his law enforcement career, certainly has the skills to do it for real. As stated above, the handicap lies in the shooter.

[Drail]

Best one I have found (and I've tried a few) is the S&W 696 .44 Spl. Not the smallest or lightest but it hits HARD and doesn't kick the crap out of you. A 200 gr. bullet at 900 fps is awfully close to the .45 ACP.

[Prosser]

Bob Munden?

[rswartsell]

Bob Munden used to be an exhibition shooter (and competitive SA revolver shooter) and is currently (if still with us) a custom tuner of SA revolvers. Youtube has a wealth of Bob Munden videos. His shtick was the "fastest draw alive" with a SA revolver. The videos are quite impressive though I suspect some of using the old "Buffalo Bill's Wild West" trick of birdshot rounds.

Undeniable the man's skill and amazing quickness though.

[Taroman]

For combat, if forced to do so, I'd choose a 45 ACP revolver with full moon clips.

That said, I'd prefer a shotgun any day!

[wildehond]

I carried a Astra 4" ,357 mag. It was Lovely to shoot and I could land fullhouse .357 rounds where I wanted to shooting it quite fast. It was fairly large revolver but I carried it concealed, summer and winter for four years with no problem. I think it was based on the S&W model 66. If I were to carry a revolver again it will be 4" .357 again no question.

[shepsan]

In 1951 during the Korean War, I carried an S&W model 10 in a shoulder holster and a Colt 1911 on my right hip.

http://i567.photobucket.com/albums/ss112/shepsan/MNS/48.jpg

http://i567.photobucket.com/albums/ss112/shepsan/MNS/Colt1911-A1.jpg

I would take my present 4” Ruger GP100 over both those sidearms because it is better made, more reliable, has better balance and loads more powerful ammunition. I am also far more accurate with it then my former combat sidearms.

http://i567.photobucket.com/albums/ss112/shepsan/Guns/RugerGP-1002.jpg

[SharpsDressedMan]

^^^Hard to argue with that!

[rswartsell]

What kind of uniform is that shepsan? The picture is a little small for my aging eyes.

[shepsan]

Its a "horsing around" uniform.

I had on my dungerees with an officer's cover. Like the wise ass I was then, I put on our plane captain's hat when he was out of the hanger and another crew man took the photo. Dumb, young kids (19 at the time).

Good thing I wasn't caught wearing that cover.

That is the S&W model 10 that was issued to air crewmen at that time.

[S.B.]

shepsan, what outfit were you with that issued two handguns at a time?
Steve

[shepsan]

VP-871. Issued revolver as air crewman and 1911 when acting squadron courier. Most of the time, I wore both sidearms.

[rswartsell]

I was issued a Model 15 for Aircrew duty in the AF during the Vietnam era. VP is a Marine or Navy unit designation? No being contentious just curious. I thought the Navy also went with the 15, but I know things were never entirely monolithic.

I hesitate to even say this as it has started an opinion storm before but I saw a Thompson at Tan Son Nhut in '74 or '75 and I'm sure that wasn't on anyones to & e.

P.S. Korea was also a different era....duh.:o

[shepsan]

VP is U.S Navy designation for "heavier than air." VP-871 was a patrol squadron equipped with PB4Y2 Privateer multi-engine aircraft during the Korean War.

http://i567.photobucket.com/albums/ss112/shepsan/CH-4Korea.jpg

The aircraft had 12 × .50 in (12.7 mm) M2 Browning machine guns in six turrets It carried, flares, bombs, torpedoes and mines. It flew 12 hour recon missions, protected the fleet doing ASW and supported UN ground troups dropping flares at night illuminating ChiCom troops.

Two aircraft went down killing all aboard (12 each aircraft) within months of each other.

The squadron was made up of Reservists and regulars and were legendary beer drinkers.

[rswartsell]

A snappy salute to you "Navy", thanks for your service!:D

P.S. You have some great pics from your service and at this late date I regret not having some.

P.P.S. Here's to the beer drinking part! Salud.

[Derry 1946]

S&W 1917
http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e186/gunnut701/SW1917WITHHOLSTERWEBBELTMOONCLIPPOU.jpg

At last! The answer I've been wanting to offer. Nice example & pic, too! Derry

[biohazurd]

GP100!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! If i had to bring a revolver into combat that is what i would take.

[JShirley]

Sharps,

There's a reason autoloaders have been the general-issue US sidearms for 100 years, and silly slogans won't change that. As I pointed out, swords are still perfectly dangerous at close range, too- big deal. Revolvers do have their place, and on the battlefield ain't it.

Shepsan, that's a neat looking aircraft. I'd love to hear more about it.

John

[SharpsDressedMan]

JShirley, I see you hang in a current battle zone. Have you witnessed any incidents where an auto pistol has saved the day, when a sturdy revolver in its place would not have? I'd sure like to hear about a real incident as opposed to conjecture. Auto pistols may be the current trend and issue, but I fail to see, in real life shootings, where a suitable revolver has FAILED or would have been likely to fail the same task as the auto. All slogans and assertions aside, make your case.

[JShirley]

I did make my case. Reload simplicity and speed alone would be reason enough. :)

[CraigC]

I thought this thread was about best combat revolver, not revolver versus auto in military applications??? The term combat is not exclusive to the military.

[JShirley]

I'd also give a reality check if the thread title was "What Lance for Panzer?" :rolleyes:

The M4 issue carbine is significantly more powerful than a 9x19mm, .38 , or .45, yet rapid reloads are practiced. If the enemy is so close a pistol is employed, how much more readily should a reload be executed? In Afghanistan, typically at least 1 magazine must be carried on a service member who is "inside the wire". Most commonly, the magazine will either be out of the weapon, or carried in the weapon, chamber empty.

A revolver could not be so carried. A disturbingly high percentage of attacks are conducted by individuals who are in the local national forces. This means that service members might be forced to react to a sudden threat from close range.

I'm really glad that Superman knows how to fly, and Michael Phelps can swim like a dolphin, but if I had to react to a sudden threat with an empty revolver because some ivory tower civilian who couldn't find his brain with two hands and a map thinks troops carrying a revolver would be jolly good fun, I wouldn't be a happy camper. If I survived, that is, which would be doubtful.

My issue M9 is very fast to get into action, on the other hand. I might actually save some lives with it.

Conjecture? CONJECTURE? No, I can't prove that a sturdy unloaded revolver wouldn't have saved the 9 Americans shot by an Afghan pilot in April of 2011, but it's not too damn likely, is it? "The handicap lies in the shooter"?!

No, some handicaps are imposed by others, like the empty chamber standard I mentioned. Troops don't need further handicaps imposed by amateur armchair quarterbacks.

John, from Helmand Province

[CraigC]

The OP's question was: "What would be the best choice for a revolver?"


From Webster's:

com·bat
   noun
3. Military . active, armed fighting with enemy forces.
4. a fight, struggle, or controversy, as between two persons, teams, or ideas.


Is this book about military combat? No, it's about "How to defend: Your Family, Your Home, Yourself"

http://amzn.com/0896895254

[SharpsDressedMan]

OK, John, if we leave the politics out of it, and allow the combatant to have a loaded gun, what would the Afghan pilot have done after one or more .45 or .357 revolver rounds had connected with him? If we stand an equally potent .45 revolver against a 1911, or a .357 Magnum against a 9mm, we begin to see that if the situation can be resolved in the USUAL number of rounds in a mano y mano gunfight, either will do. If it a prolonged fight of pistols against rifles, there is a serious handicap, whether it be revolver OR auto pistol. I think this is just boiling down that you personally can't accept the thought of using a revolver in a hostile area, but many others CAN (and some already have). I carried a Model 19 S&W with full loads for many years as a cop, and I was NOT undergunned for any situation that I or my co-workers encountered, and we did have some armed conflicts. A 1911 or Beretta M9 wouldn't have helped us any better. Also, any GOOD soldier knows that if a fight is iminent, the rules be damned...load that weapon! You can always apologize later, if you survive. If you want to play mother may I, then you take your chances. I no longer leave my welfare to desk jockeys or the ill informed. Maybe we should start a new thread entitled, "What handgun is best for troops that have to carry an empty gun, and then quickly load it after they are shot at?"

[Deltaboy]

The S&W Highway Patrol 4 inch barrel and in 357 mag.

[dom1104]

At the shootin matches I go to, the slowest, most inaccurate folks there are shooting wheel guns.

A lot of folks talk about being good with a revolver, but when the rubber hits the road a DA trigger is hard to make quick accurate hits with.

Watching them try to manage ammo is painful when you are holdin the timer.

A good CCW option? probably fine.

For war? never.

[CraigC]

At the shootin matches I go to, the slowest, most inaccurate folks there are shooting wheel guns.
And that's the gun's fault???

[dom1104]

And that's the gun's fault???
Yeah it is.

[CraigC]

Then guns must cause crime, pencils cause misspelled words and spoons cause obesity too, huh?

[SharpsDressedMan]

Have you ever witnessed a COMPETENT IDPA or combat shooter with speedloaders, or better yet, moon clips, load a revolver under stress? I'm sure there are some timed efforts of the above on youtube, if you don't get out much. Works in the dark, even with wet hands (been there, done that). I have also witnessed guys choke on jamming a mag in an M14, AR and AK. It's actually comical if it only happens in practice.

[dom1104]

The answer is yes I SO for a lot of very competent IDPA shooters, and they are ALL slower with the revolver than they are in any of the auto divisions.

And IDPA is a relatively revolver friendly sport.

Just last weekend I ran the timer for a guy at a Steel challenge match, who is a very good shot, and watching him struggle with speedloaders and speed strips was painful.

Even at the State level, the Revolver MASTERS are shooting about 40 - 60% higher than the auto guys.

Its just how it is, and they arent bad shots.

[dom1104]

I havent looked myself, but my guess is.... if you look at these match results, you will find on average, the revolver shooters faired far worse than the auto guys.

http://www.idpa.com/matchresults.asp

if I am wrong I would be sorely surprised.

[JShirley]

Sharps, I like revolvers. Mine are in 2, 3, 4 and after I return, 5.5" varieties. I love the balance of a 4" N frame, and 3" K frame. I believe there are many situations where a revolver is a reasonable choice for the armed citizen, and I believe revolvers are typically the best choices for hunting handguns.

The reload issue isn't just a "reload" issue, it's a load issue. Service members frequently are placed in circumstances that require numerous loads and unloads of their weapon. Are there sturdy revolvers that might do just fine for the first six shots? Sure. What about after that?

The armed citizen, and usually even the police officer is in a different situation than deployed service members. Finding a service revolver that's great except for doing all the things a soldier, sailor, or Marine might need just demonstrates the point: wheelguns may be adequate for defense, but are poorly suited for combat.

John

[SharpsDressedMan]

Lets go back to the original question. If YOU had to employ a revolver in combat, or a combat area, which one would it be?

[dom1104]

Lets go back to the original question. If YOU had to employ a revolver in combat, or a combat area, which one would it be?
I would answer this question by saying a fixed sighted, N frame, 4 inch moon clip equipped 45 ACP gun.

Like my 22-4.

Uses ammo that is currently in use by the .mil, moonclips that work well, and big enough to get your hands around.

[JShirley]

#3 Schofield Improved in .45 ACP.

[Old Fuff]

For reasons well explained in post #246 by JShirley a revolver is not the best choice for a military service handgun, and so far as the United States is concerned this issue was resolved over a century ago when the services adopted the Colt model 1911, and thereafter never looked back, except for the use of substitute standard revolvers during times of crisis. Since that time further development of pistols has served to make they're position even stronger.

But military combat is usually much different then that encountered by law enforcement and ordinary-but-armed civilians.

In the latter instances I believe the revolver is still a viable choice, and sometimes a superior one. A high volume of fire may not be advantageous in circumstances where one can be, and usually is, held fully responsible for any damage or injury caused by every bullet they fire.

When one is making a decision concerning a personal weapon and/or tactics it would be wise to consider the substantial differences between the Rules of Engagement that govern civil and military situations.