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MachIVshooter
June 17, 2012, 11:26 AM
Who else becomes severely annoyed by this term? We all have our pet peeves, and outsiders constantly reference guns using terms we find unfavorable (assault weapon, etc). But this one really gets me, because anyone with even the most basic understanding of the English language should realize that it is a 100% redundant (or nonsensical) term.

Shell: A (usually hard) outer covering

Casing: A (usually hard) outer covering

Seriously. Pick one. Call them shells, call them cartridge casings. But calling them shell casings is like saying "liquid water" or "adhesive glue". And taken literally, a "shell casing" would be a casing over a shell :scrutiny:.

Unless one is referencing artillery shells shipped in a protective casing, this term has no reason for being used. It absolutely does not apply to small arms.

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MedWheeler
June 17, 2012, 11:30 AM
... or "hot water heater". Why would you need to heat "hot water"?

Certaindeaf
June 17, 2012, 12:49 PM
Bullet head. I think he's related to Butter Bean.. the fighter.

TurtlePhish
June 17, 2012, 12:58 PM
I usually say casing.. I connect "shell" with an artillery shell.

danez71
June 17, 2012, 01:22 PM
Who else becomes severely annoyed by this term? We all have our pet peeves, and outsiders constantly reference guns using terms we find unfavorable (assault weapon, etc). But this one really gets me, because anyone with even the most basic understanding of the English language should realize that it is a 100% redundant (or nonsensical) term.

Shell: A (usually hard) outer covering

Casing: A (usually hard) outer covering

Seriously. Pick one. Call them shells, call them cartridge casings. But calling them shell casings is like saying "liquid water" or "adhesive glue". And taken literally, a "shell casing" would be a casing over a shell :scrutiny:.

Unless one is referencing artillery shells shipped in a protective casing, this term has no reason for being used. It absolutely does not apply to small arms.

Apparently, at times, I do not have even the basic understanding of the English language.

I apparently should apologize for such annoyance to someone that I dont even know, will probably never meet, and probably wont influence anything in my, or my firends or family's lives. :rolleyes:

"liquid water"... as opposed to 'frozen water' or 'water vapor'. Go figure!


I'd venture to guess that such intolerance isnt very productive in the welcoming of new shooters and affirming to the anti's and the fence sitters that we are very level headed, moderate, 'every day' type people.

YMMV.

Oh.. and I mispell things sometimes. Sorry for that too.

56hawk
June 17, 2012, 01:25 PM
Actually I think shell casing is the correct term. When talking about ammunition the shell is the projectile.

Shell: payload-carrying projectile
Casing: A cover that protects or encloses something

Josh45
June 17, 2012, 01:26 PM
You think that's bad? My dad still calls the casing bullets sometimes!
I don't correct em, Sometimes I do.

This is how it goes. This only happens when were looking for brass on the floor at the range.

Dad - Found another bullet on the floor!
Me - What kinda casing is it?

Then he sometimes corrects himself but often does it again.

JohnM
June 17, 2012, 01:28 PM
I just haven't managed to lose a lot of sleep over that one.
I thought I was pretty good at being a curmudgeon, but I can see I need a lot of practice.

ColtPythonElite
June 17, 2012, 01:28 PM
As long as I know what a guy is talking about, I don't really care what word or word combo he is using to get the message across.

Sol
June 17, 2012, 01:30 PM
I was thinking about this quandry while loading the CLIP on my glock.

rcmodel
June 17, 2012, 01:31 PM
I bet you wre loading your clip with bullets too weren't you.

rc

ColtPythonElite
June 17, 2012, 01:32 PM
What are you saying?....It sounds like you were doing your laundry while reading a magazine on Glocks.

MachIVshooter
June 17, 2012, 01:34 PM
"liquid water"... as opposed to 'frozen water' or 'water vapor'. Go figure!

There are words for those things. Most would call it "ice" and "mist". Besides which, water, as defined, is liquid;


water/ˈwtər/Noun: A colorless, transparent, odorless, tasteless liquid

Adding the adjective "frozen" denotes a change in it's physical state. Of course, mist is still plain ol' liquid H2O that happens to be suspended in many tiny quantities:

mist/mist/Noun: A cloud of tiny water droplets suspended in the atmosphere

I'd venture to guess that such intolerance isnt very productive in the welcoming of new shooters and affirming to the anti's and the fence sitters that we are very level headed, moderate, 'every day' type people.

YMMV.

Yeah, it does. Should we condone incorrect terms for the sake of warm fuzzy feelings?

People who take great offense to their errors being noticed/corrected are just one of many problems in society today, and exemplify the "me generation". If I'm saying or doing something wrong, I want to know. I don't want "politeness" allowing me to continue doing something incorrectly.

ETA:

Actually I think shell casing is the correct term. When talking about ammunition the shell is the projectile.

Shell: payload-carrying projectile
Casing: A cover that protects or encloses something

Only when speaking of artillery. Small arms projectiles are bullets, not shells.

Sol
June 17, 2012, 01:54 PM
Tasteless? Mine tastes like chalk and flouride.

Certaindeaf
June 17, 2012, 01:59 PM
^
Does it sound like a tumbleweed blowing along the prarie when you put your ear to it?

MachIVshooter
June 17, 2012, 01:59 PM
Tasteless? Mine tastes like chalk and flouride.

I guess that definition doesn't account for city water (or rusty pipes). lol.

Sol
June 17, 2012, 01:59 PM
Water mist is still water just smaller droplets. Water vapor is heated to the point of a gaseous state. The difference being that vapor is well above the boiling point of water, but is still water. The difference between a cloud and a car radiator spewing steam.

Sol
June 17, 2012, 02:01 PM
Just kidding, I drink the flammable dead zone waters of the beautiful lake Erie.

MachIVshooter
June 17, 2012, 02:07 PM
Water mist is still water just smaller droplets. Water vapor is heated to the point of a gaseous state. The difference being that vapor is well above the boiling point of water, but is still water. The difference between a cloud and a car radiator spewing steam.

vapor/ˈvāpər/Noun: A substance diffused or suspended in the air, esp. one normally liquid or solid

Main Entry: vapor  [vey-per] Show IPA/ˈveɪpər/ Show Spelled
Part of Speech: noun
Definition: fumes, mist


Regardless of specific nuances in definition, The point of redundancy remains. Would you call it "gaseous vapor" or "gaseous steam"? Of course not, because the noun is completely descriptive without the adjective.

Salmoneye
June 17, 2012, 02:09 PM
I work for the US Department of Redundancy Department...

rcmodel
June 17, 2012, 02:10 PM
Shotgun shells are shells.

rc

MachIVshooter
June 17, 2012, 02:12 PM
Shotgun shells are shells.

Or hulls. But agreed. Like I said:

Pick one. Call them shells, call them cartridge casings.



I work for the US Department of Redundancy Department...

That actually made me chuckle.

jcwit
June 17, 2012, 02:20 PM
I have many more important things to concern myself with than to get upset with meaningless things such as this.

buck460XVR
June 17, 2012, 03:04 PM
I have many more important things to concern myself with than to get upset with meaningless things such as this.


Same here. But then if one really wants to be a Grammar Nazi, the term casing/casings is for sausages. The correct word for the part of the cartridge that contains the powder, primer and end of the projectile is called a case. More than one are cases.:rolleyes:

monotonous_iterancy
June 17, 2012, 03:09 PM
What gets me is when people call magazines "clips". They're two different things. It's a common mistake, it's in video games all the time. I guess you can't blame people for thinking that it's sort of a catch-all term.

MachIVshooter
June 17, 2012, 03:21 PM
I have many more important things to concern myself with than to get upset with meaningless things such as this.

I just love these self-rightous comments.

I run a business and care for twin daughters. Yes, there are many more important things in life. But when I'm waking up with my coffee on a Sunday morning and read the umpteenth article this week with the same misnomer, I might just make a post about it.

But then if one really wants to be a Grammar Nazi, the term casing/casings is for sausages. The correct word for the part of the cartridge that contains the powder, primer and end of the projectile is called a case. More than one are cases.

I've never actually referred to a cartridge case as a "casing", either. I call one a case and refer to multiple cases simply as brass.

jcwit
June 17, 2012, 03:48 PM
I just love these self-rightous comments.

Glad I could make your day.

So I am to get myself worked up over clip/Magazine, crick/creek, auto/semi-auto, shell/case, etc., ect. Nope, I don't think so, YMMV tho.

I run a business and care for twin daughters

As did I except mine were not twins, at least till my retirement at the ripe old age of 56, and the youngest girl married when I was 45.

Really never thought of myself as being self-rightous, but then maybe there is hope for me yet.

buck460XVR
June 17, 2012, 04:16 PM
I just love these self-rightous comments.



...........and they are any different than condescending posts about others that in your judgement use improper terms? That I believe is the definition of hypocrisy.

Here on gun forums I see folks using incorrect terms, but I and everyone else knows exactly what they are talking about. I go to work and I have customers that use wrong and/or improper terms, but I know exactly what they are talking about. I go over to friends and they may use improper or incorrect words to describe something.....but I know exactly what they mean. Sometimes these words/terms altho incorrect are universally accepted. I'm too old to get upset. I get over it and move on. It ain't worth the trouble or the stress. Life's too short and internet Grammar Nazi pay scale is lousy.

jcwit
June 17, 2012, 04:38 PM
Well put buck!

MachIVshooter
June 17, 2012, 05:22 PM
and they are any different than condescending posts about others that in your judgement use improper terms?

Those "others" happen to be the same talking heads we almost universally lambaste for other terms we don't like on these boards.

And it's not in my judgement. It's Mr. Websters.

You don't have to agree with me, and it's fine if you're not annoyed with such things. But the pious comments like "I have better things to do with my time" ring hollow when you did take the time to post in order to say you don't have time to think about it......

I'm not jumping on another member and calling him an idiot for using this term. That would be rude and worthy of scorn. Just mentioning a pet peeve of mine, and it started off as I would expect, with others taking it in jest and mentioning other idioms that they find funny/annoying.

JohnM
June 17, 2012, 06:06 PM
I have better thing to do than spend my time posting to things I can't see anyone losing sleep over. Think I'll go to the back room and see if I have some cases of shell cases that need counting.
Did I mention this takes up a lot of my valuable time which I don't like to waste.
Or was it waist?, I get confused when I'm trying to remember if I'm supposed to be counting bullets. Or cases or shells or something; damn I'm busy today.

mls
June 17, 2012, 06:43 PM
:rolleyes:

danez71
June 17, 2012, 07:53 PM
There are words for those things. Most would call it "ice" and "mist". Besides which, water, as defined, is liquid;


water/ˈwtər/Noun: A colorless, transparent, odorless, tasteless liquid

Adding the adjective "frozen" denotes a change in it's physical state. Of course, mist is still plain ol' liquid H2O that happens to be suspended in many tiny quantities:

mist/mist/Noun: A cloud of tiny water droplets suspended in the atmosphere



If you called it "mist" instead of (water) vapor, you'd be wrong. I hate it when people do that. I should go on an internet rant about it!

Many kinds of vapor.. dont you know.?
Water vapor http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/water%20vapor
: water in a vaporous form especially when below boiling temperature and diffused (as in the atmosphere)



Should we condone incorrect terms for the sake of warm fuzzy feelings?



Regardless of specific nuances in definition,...


Should we trivialize proper definition to suit the position of one?



People who take great offense to their errors being noticed/corrected are just one of many problems in society today, and exemplify the "me generation".


People that overly react to others' trivial incorectness is another thing too.




If I'm saying or doing something wrong, I want to know. I don't want "politeness" allowing me to continue doing something incorrectly.


No you dont. If you did, you wouldnt of trivialized the correct definition of mist vs vapor above.




I just love these self-rightous comments.


Seriously? You incorrectly mistook "mist" as being the same "vapor" and then trivialized the correction.

and they are any different than condescending posts about others that in your judgement use improper terms?

Well said buck460XVR



Those "others" happen to be the same talking heads we almost universally lambaste for other terms we don't like on these boards.



Not true. May people dont really care about clip vs mag. Some of which have stated so in this very thread.



I'm not jumping on another member and calling him an idiot for using this term. That would be rude and worthy of scorn.


Whoa... lets not back peddle now.

Lets look again at that 1st post of yours.



But this one really gets me, because anyone with even the most basic understanding of the English language should realize that it is a 100% redundant (or nonsensical) term.



So you didnt out right call people an idiot... you just said that they dont have "even the most basic understanding of the English language".

Certainly sounds derogatory to me.

BTW, Happy fathers day from one dad to another. Lets not forget that tolerance is a great thing to teach.

Inebriated
June 17, 2012, 08:17 PM
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Vern Humphrey
June 17, 2012, 08:19 PM
The correct term is "case." A "casing" is the outside of a sausage.

Another term often used on TV is "cordite" for "smokeless powder.' Cordite was a British propellent, never made or loaded into cartridges in the US, and not manufactured anywhere for about 50 years.

jcwit
June 17, 2012, 08:53 PM
The correct term is "case." A "casing" is the outside of a sausage.

Well maybe! Check here

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casing

and here

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/casing

Vern Humphrey
June 17, 2012, 09:47 PM
Neither one of those are authoritative in technical matters. Dictionaries go by common useage, not by precise technical language.

danez71
June 17, 2012, 10:02 PM
Dictionaries go by common useage, not by precise technical language.


Which reaffirms the acceptance of other terms being use for the same thing.

If a person was writing a technical paper, I could better sympathize with the original rant.

But...shucks... We (most of us) speak American; not proper English.

jcwit
June 17, 2012, 10:09 PM
Whatever you say Vern, you are entitled to your opinion.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casing_(borehole)
http://www.glossary.oilfield.slb.com/Display.cfm?Term=casing
http://www.makincasing.com/mm5/merchant.mvc?Screen=CTGY&Store_Code=EM419&Category_Code=1
http://www.vintagewoodworks.com/casings.html?gclid=CMHwrLnK1rACFeUBQAodOR0pzw
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casing_(submarine)
http://www.contalloy.com/

I think it fairly clear the technical term or word "casing' is used for many things other than just the outer skin used for sausage.

But if some insist otherwise I guess thats OK too.

The English language evolves as time goes on, not only for the word casing but for many words and their meanings. Very little in this world stays the same from day to day or year to year.

As long as we all "or most all" comprehend what others are speaking/writting about, all is well. Getting all worked up over trivial things is meaningless, and making blanket statements makes said statements questionable to say the least.

No I'm not worked up!

Vern Humphrey
June 17, 2012, 10:14 PM
If a person was writing a technical paper, I could better sympathize with the original rant.

But...shucks... We (most of us) speak American; not proper English.
But right now we're speaking Gun, not "proper English." I am reminded of one of those English picture books that purport to tell you everything about everything. The illustration for "gun" was an M1911, with an arrow pointing to the "handle clip" and another one pointing to the "firing pin" (which was actually the tang of the grip safety.)

You just knew the guys who wrote that were real experts.;)

Tinpig
June 17, 2012, 10:36 PM
The earliest cartridges, powder and ball wrapped together in paper or linen and the end tied off, are very similar in design to a sausage in its casing.

Tinpig

FROGO207
June 17, 2012, 10:37 PM
Well rather than nit pick one way or the other how about coming up with a common name that is used with respect to firearms terms and then list the "slang" afterwards to show what we collectivity AGREE is correct.:):) This could help with all the mass confusion just like the post with abbreviations/acronyms does. Lets be constructive rather than destructive here.:scrutiny:

Mauser lover
June 17, 2012, 10:55 PM
AAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

(oops, did I mispel that?)


On a serious note, why hasn't this been closed yet? Are we still talking about firearms? Or we talking (or typing) about the proper usage of the American language? I just wonder how this is helping anybody, or convincing anybody to become one of us...

Well put, FROGO207...

MachIVshooter
June 17, 2012, 11:58 PM
I just wonder how this is helping anybody, or convincing anybody to become one of us...

Why does everything we say on this board have to cater to fence sitters???

If you called it "mist" instead of (water) vapor, you'd be wrong.

If it's cold, I call it mist, and if it's hot, I call it steam. Does that work for ya? ;)

: water in a vaporous form, especially when below boiling temperature and diffused (as in the atmosphere)

Especially, not exclusively.



Should we trivialize proper definition to suit the position of one?

I'm not trivializing definitions, and I'm not the one who brought up "case" versus "casing". Either one, of course, needing a context or another noun. I just take issue with "shell" being that other noun. Redundancy drives me nuts crazy :neener:.


People that overly react to others' trivial incorectness is another thing too.

Well, I wouldn't call it overreacting, but I suppose you're right. I should have just used my spare time to start another 9mm vs. .45 thread or something....

Those "others" happen to be the same talking heads we almost universally lambaste for other terms we don't like on these boards

Not true. May people dont really care about clip vs mag. Some of which have stated so in this very thread.

I guess you didn't understand, so I'll be more clear. The occurence of the term that caused me to post was not on this board; It was in yet another slanted news article. When I say talking heads, I mean the MSM and politicians who recklessly throw around catch phrases that are despised by this crowd. But if you're not one of us here who is irritated by inflammatory news reports saying "......found shell casings from the AK47 assault weapon", then please, carry on with defending people who say such things on account of ignorance or agenda.


I'm not jumping on another member and calling him an idiot for using this term. That would be rude and worthy of scorn.

Whoa... lets not back peddle now.

Lets look again at that 1st post of yours.


But this one really gets me, because anyone with even the most basic understanding of the English language should realize that it is a 100% redundant (or nonsensical) term.

So you didnt out right call people an idiot... you just said that they dont have "even the most basic understanding of the English language".

Certainly sounds derogatory to me.

See above reply

BTW, Happy fathers day from one dad to another. Lets not forget that tolerance is a great thing to teach.

Happy fathers day to you, too, and lets not forget that light hearted rants (which this was, and I reiterated that) about insignificant things are sometimes just a way to pass time. So many of you took this wayyyy too seriously, and at this point I'm not in the best mood, since my own wife couldn't even muster the words "happy fathers day" to a guy who adopted 2 little girls from her previous marriage.

So yeah, mods, let's close it down. I obviously didn't convey the spirit in which it was intended well enough from the beginning.

jcwit
June 18, 2012, 12:35 AM
and at this point I'm not in the best mood, since my own wife couldn't even muster the words "happy fathers day" to a guy who adopted 2 little girls from her previous marriage

From me and mine, theres a little than half an hour left, and may you have a Happy Fathers Day.

And for this I truly feel sorry for both of you. to bad really to bad. In my case I did not adopt the 2 girls, but did raise them as my own and both tell me I truly am their father as far as they are concerned. Which really makes me feel good, even with the shortcomings I had as they were growing up, but I guess the end result was positive. I really hope yours turnes out the same.

At least you had nothing like this happen

http://www.wndu.com/hometop/headlines/Granger_woman_killed_from_falling_tree_branch_159368115.html

This is such a sad happening, for such a beautiful person just starting out in life, truly a shame, but there must be a reason/leson in the grand scheme of the world for this.

jhco50
June 18, 2012, 02:23 AM
Well, I don't see a problem. One persons tomato is anothers mater.

Jorg Nysgerrig
June 18, 2012, 03:59 AM
Time to unload a whole clip of bullets point blank into this one while the shell casings rain to the ground like liquid ice vapor.

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