Mouse Guns.


December 27, 2002, 12:04 PM
Whats your fav. in the front pocket mini gun?

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December 27, 2002, 12:06 PM

December 27, 2002, 12:10 PM
Smith & Wesson 940 revolver, loaded with 9x19.

I just can't bring myself to trust anything smaller than a .38 spl.

December 27, 2002, 12:39 PM
Beretta 950BS Jetfire.

December 27, 2002, 12:41 PM
3" Smith 36.
2.5" Smith 19

In pocket holsters.


December 27, 2002, 12:46 PM
The only "mouse gun" I own is a Beretta Tomcat in .32ACP. I carry it sometimes in a DeSantis "Trickster" pocket holster.

December 27, 2002, 12:46 PM
Kel-Tec P-32. Beretta 950 Jetfire (.25) is a close second.

December 27, 2002, 12:48 PM
Beretta 21A Bobcat or 3032 Tomcat.

December 27, 2002, 12:50 PM
Kel-Tec P32

December 27, 2002, 01:25 PM
I usually have a Beretta 950 .25 in my pocket.

December 27, 2002, 01:46 PM
Kel-Tec P-32!

December 27, 2002, 01:57 PM
P32 currently.

December 27, 2002, 02:04 PM
P-32 followed closely by the Autauga .32

deputy tom
December 27, 2002, 02:32 PM
Seecamp .32.tom.:)Almost forgot NAA .22 Mag as sometimes pocket mouse.:eek:

December 27, 2002, 02:33 PM
I have to vote P-32 also. I like the Beretta Jetfire too, but the P-32 is super flat and light and holds 8 rounds of a better caliber than .25.

December 27, 2002, 02:39 PM
One more for the p-32. In the back pocket.:)

December 27, 2002, 02:43 PM
NAA .22mag and a P-32 grace my collection.

Marko Kloos
December 27, 2002, 02:55 PM
Kel-Tec P32, very closely followed by the Beretta 950BS Jetfire. The Beretta is shorter and tends to be totally reliable, while the Kel-Tec is flatter, lighter, and more powerful.

Kentucky Rifle
December 27, 2002, 02:57 PM
Seecamp, loaded with RBCD .32ACP.


December 27, 2002, 03:34 PM
Walther TPH in .25ACP

December 27, 2002, 03:36 PM
Generally, not a "pocket carry person" (or fan of mouse guns ;) ). But, NAA .22 mag is about the biggest that can semi-comfortably fit in the front pocket of my blue Levis. Beretta 21A very infrequently dropped into front pocket of draw-string shorts or cargo pants.

Have I posted on this forum yet "Friends don't let friends carry mouse guns - unless they would otherwise not carry at all." ? :cool: If side pockets of coats are acceptable in the spirit of this thread, 5-shot .357 carried there briefly last week. Can I stretch a little further to include the back pocket of Levis and sporadically drop in a Glock .45 (with safety block in place) ? :)

December 27, 2002, 03:44 PM
well, the only mouse gun i own is a ppk, so i guess that has to be mine. Ronald

December 27, 2002, 03:56 PM
Another Beretta 950BS (Jetfire) here. Although I vastly prefer to have a 1911A1 or Hi-Power as a primary weapon.

Don in Ohio

December 27, 2002, 04:58 PM
My mouse would be a S&W M38 j-frame carried in my front pocket.

December 27, 2002, 05:11 PM
Keltec P32 :D

December 27, 2002, 05:13 PM
my P32 has been great. on silvertips it runs 100%.

December 27, 2002, 06:36 PM
Had the p-32 but did not like the thin grip and long trigger pull.

December 27, 2002, 06:46 PM
Another vote for Kel-Tec P32

December 27, 2002, 07:36 PM
P32 or NAA Mini .22 magnum

December 27, 2002, 07:48 PM
Kel-Tec P32.


December 27, 2002, 07:53 PM
Looks like the P32's are winning hands down.

December 27, 2002, 08:02 PM
If I'm carrying in the front pocket, it's a Seecamp .32 in a pocket holster or slip on cover. Spare mag cased in the opposite pocket.

Otherwise, when I carry a mouse gun, it's a Berretta Tomcat.

December 27, 2002, 08:39 PM
Kahr MK9 Elite. :)

concerned citizen
December 27, 2002, 08:59 PM
My two favorite pocketguns are a seecamp 32 and colt mustang 380. :)

December 27, 2002, 09:04 PM
Guardian 380 with Magsafe Defender rounds. Then either my G32 or Seecamp.

December 27, 2002, 11:29 PM
P32 and/or P11.

December 27, 2002, 11:33 PM
I consider my Ruger SP101 2..1/4" as mousey as I get. :cool:

December 27, 2002, 11:39 PM

Although now that winter is here, my IWB is out of summer hiatus and I carry a real gun without resorting to the silly fanny pack or the mousegun.


December 28, 2002, 01:10 AM
North American Arms (NAA) .22 LR with the black folding grip loaded with CCI Stingers.

December 28, 2002, 01:14 AM
Beretta 21A .25 ACP

Alan Fud
December 28, 2002, 01:20 AM
The NAA Guardian in .32ACP or my Kahr MK9 (if I can conceal it equally as well) ... :D

December 28, 2002, 01:48 AM
ugly but reliable (so far) green-n-black KelTec P32. Strongside pocket.

December 28, 2002, 02:02 AM
NAA 22, always in my pocket...even halfway into the airport...woops gotta go back to the truck :)

December 28, 2002, 02:43 AM
NAA Mini in .22 mag...

December 28, 2002, 03:23 AM
Taurus 85, 2" bobbed .38spl in weak-side front pocket.

I made a really cool duct-tape ride for it, too :D

December 28, 2002, 08:59 AM
My NNA Guardian runs a close second. I think the Guardian is more rugged and more accurate in my hands but the P 32 is much lighter.
Speaking of Mouse Guns....

December 28, 2002, 09:33 AM

:D :D :D :D :D :D :D

December 28, 2002, 09:34 AM
Haven't laughed this hard in months:D

December 28, 2002, 11:09 AM

December 28, 2002, 03:11 PM
NAA .22 magnum mini revolver.

December 28, 2002, 04:22 PM
I always find it interesting, whenever someone starts a "mousegun" thread, that a LOT of people start talking about the tiny pocket guns they have. But, according to most of the "Pro" gunwriters, all these little guns are a waste of time and money, we shouldn't even consider having one. Seems that there is a large gap between opinion and reality illustrated here. Anybody else notice this situation?

Don in Ohio

Edited to point out that I already mentioned my Beretta 950BS on the first page of this thread. :)

December 28, 2002, 04:36 PM
Front pocket is either S&W 342, S&W 940, Kahr MK9, or Kahr P9 Covert, depending upon the pants. Rear pocket is an Autauga MkII.

December 28, 2002, 04:52 PM
Okay, I'll bite...

My mousegun has pretty much never been an "only" gun.

I always have my .44 Special 296Ti in my purse, and frequently a "real" gun on my belt.

The way I look at it, the Jetfire doesn't take up much more size, weight or space than a spare mag for the gun on my belt. If my belt gun [breaks/gets snatched/is dropped or lost] than one spare mag for the belt gun and a Jetfire is going to be a whole lot more useful than two spare mags for the belt gun and no Jetfire.

December 28, 2002, 05:02 PM
What about the Glock 26? Any good or bad thoughts on that as a Ultra Concealable...?


Dr. J
December 28, 2002, 05:16 PM

Great Pic :D :D :D

To answer the original question: Kahr MK9 Elite

December 28, 2002, 05:28 PM
I usually dress ugly, and can get away with almost any CCW.

But, there are times when jean and an NH sports coat, otherwise known as a flannel shirt, won't cut it, and so it's impossible to conceal the USPc.

Would I be better off unarmed, or with a P32 in the front pocket?

We have a Berreta .22 available, since I can't convince her to carry anything else, but, for the times I can't do the good ones, the P32 seems to me to be the way to go.

'least 'till they come out with the .380/9mm version....

December 28, 2002, 06:11 PM
Colt Govt. Model .380 w/ Remington Golden Saber 102 gr JHP.

December 28, 2002, 07:03 PM
I wouldn't shoot a mouse with anything less than .40!:)

HK USP Compact .40

Big mice where I am from.:D


December 28, 2002, 07:05 PM
From some of the responses, maybe the "Mouse Gun" category needs defining! :D

My answers:

Currently available: Kel Tec P-32 at "tiny" in size and weighing less than 10 ounces fully loaded with 7+1 rounds of .32 ACP.

Available after mid-February: Rohrbaugh R-9 in the same tiny size category as the P-32 and weighing 12.3 ounces empty. Its capacity is 6+1 rounds of 9mm Luger ammunition.

Both pistols are locked breech designs with slide locks after the last shot.

There's no telling what 2 "new" products Kel Tec is going to announce at the SHOT Show in February, but I'm hoping at least one will be a mouse gun in a bigger caliber than .32 ACP.

December 28, 2002, 07:17 PM
P-32 but I have a line on a good deal on a a NAA mini.

December 28, 2002, 10:13 PM
Okay, I'll bite...

Ditto, I carry my 'mouse' weak side b/c my strong hand is already full :D .

About the only time I only have my BUG is when I'm in the house.

December 28, 2002, 11:57 PM
Another vote for the P32. Front right pocket.


Mark IV Series 80
December 29, 2002, 12:25 AM
S&W M638 Bodyguard.

December 29, 2002, 12:35 AM
I always find it interesting, whenever someone starts a "mousegun" thread, that a LOT of people start talking about the tiny pocket guns they have. But, according to most of the "Pro" gunwriters, all these little guns are a waste of time and money, we shouldn't even consider having one. Seems that there is a large gap between opinion and reality illustrated here. Anybody else notice this situation? Noticed.

I hardly consider it a waste of time and money when a mouser is all that will work in a particular situation. For me, that's often.

December 29, 2002, 10:48 AM
I also think that mouse guns are valuable in certain situations. Besides I don,t know about you, but I would'nt want to be shot in the face by a .25 or a .32.

December 29, 2002, 03:25 PM
My point was that many people have mouse guns. My primary is usually a Hi Power or a 1911A1, but around home(small rural town<10 thou) I don't feel the need most times for a lot of gun. When I leave home, I nearly always have something in 9mm or 45 ACP.

I think the smaller(22/25) caliber pistols fall into three modes of use.
1 The Go away/leave me alone mode. No one wants to be shot, even with a tiny mouse gun. The studies of Lott and Kleck and others show that just having a (any) gun will ward off most attackers.

2 Retreat/getaway mode. Retreat behind a hail of tiny bullets. Not a good plan where innocent people would be endangered.

3 Last ditch close range defence mode. Louis Seecamp is reported to have responded to people who asked about the lack of sights on his little pocket pistol "You stick the gun in thier face and pull the trigger! What the %$#@ do you need sights for?" This is the best gunfight advice for these little guns, IMHO.

Don in Ohio

December 29, 2002, 03:32 PM
Point taken. My primary is also a 1911. Glad we agree about something. But I also like to have something in my pocket that nobody can see.

December 29, 2002, 03:41 PM
I love my Tomcat. Carry it almost every day.

December 29, 2002, 06:12 PM
Anyone have any experance with the USA made stainless TPH? Good or bad.ammo and such.

December 29, 2002, 06:22 PM
Seecamp 32, always there. I've been on the list for the 380 for a while and they finally got back to me over a month ago. I now have a good chunk paid down on the 380 and should have it in 2 to 4 months.

December 29, 2002, 07:35 PM
I'm still waiting for someone to utter the classic phrase,"Is that a gun in your pocket, or are you just happy to see me?" Will I have an answer for them!! LOL

Don in Ohio

December 29, 2002, 08:39 PM
Hi Toro,
I have an American made Walther TPH in .22 LR.
The gun functions as close to perfect as possible and is reasonably accurate. I could not recomend it as a self defense weapon because even the best rimfires will missfire from time to time. This would not be as big of an issue in a DA revolver. Also a .22 is really too small for self defense but I will agree that"ANY gun is better than NO gun".

Best Regards,

December 29, 2002, 10:27 PM
Bersa Thunder .380

December 30, 2002, 12:15 PM
442 - in a Kramer pocket holster. If I'm wearing a front pocket, it has the 442 in it.

December 30, 2002, 02:03 PM
My P32 was never totally reliable even after three trips back to KelTec. I went with a NAA Guardian 380. The NAA is kind of heavy. Right now I am carrying a Kahr PM9 in my front pocket. It does not seem to be too big or too heavy for the role. Watch-Six

Big Al
December 30, 2002, 04:31 PM
another vote for the P-32.:D

December 30, 2002, 06:08 PM
Since I'm an Ohio resident I can't carry anything but if I could it would be an S&W 36.

December 30, 2002, 07:20 PM
Since my wife took my Mustang Pocketlite in .380 I now carry a S&W Model 38 Airweight Bodyguard in .38 with RBCD ammo.

However, I do have a Browning Baby that will easily ride in a front shirt pocket. It is better than nothing.

December 31, 2002, 12:02 AM
Just picked up a little Taurus pt-25 for my wife. So far, so good.


December 31, 2002, 12:16 AM
NAA Guardian in .32NAA caliber. BILLG

December 31, 2002, 12:18 AM
Beretta Jetfire 950 inox.

December 31, 2002, 12:24 AM
.380 ACP Grendel P-12. Weighs 16.5-17 ozs. with 11 rounds of Winchester Silvertips or Federal Hydra-Shoks. I may revert back to a .38 special Smith & Wesson airweight J frame, because on the whole I feel small revolvers are more reliable than small semi-auto's.

December 31, 2002, 02:49 AM
Beretta 950.......tom

December 31, 2002, 11:05 AM
S&W 642 stoked with 158 Gr +P LSWCHP's.

December 31, 2002, 11:58 AM
VZOR70 7.65 9 rounds,decocker
DA utterly reliable and only cost $125.00

January 1, 2003, 10:38 AM
G27 and P32

January 1, 2003, 12:30 PM
I admit it I own mice!!!!

In addition to MK Kahr, I own a (gasp) P32!! :what:

Other mice that find their way into my pocket are: Pistolet Makarova and Walther PPK/S!!!!! :evil:
As long as we are on the subject of rodents...

January 2, 2003, 12:01 AM
NAA Guardian .32. Mike

January 2, 2003, 02:37 AM
Mouseguns that I have carried...

Davis Derringer .38 Special
CVA vest pocket Derringer .31 percussion

The snub nosed revolvers and Walther PPK sized auto's are one size too large to be considered "mouseguns".

January 2, 2003, 04:13 AM
Split time between:

Kel-Tec P32 in a Hedley pocket holster

S&W 360 in a Hedley pocket holster


January 2, 2003, 05:19 PM
sixgun, how are the Davis derringers?

January 2, 2003, 05:30 PM
SW 442, of course.

I do have a NAA 22 Mag.

January 2, 2003, 09:30 PM
Beretta model 21 .25acp

Beretta model 950 .25acp

Smith & Wesson model 642 Centennial .38spl
(for bigger mice)

Ruger SP101 .357 magnum
(for REALLY big mice)

January 2, 2003, 09:43 PM
Kel-Tec P32
NAA Guardian .32acp

January 2, 2003, 11:29 PM
Ruger SP101 .357 magnum
(for REALLY big mice)
Would that be a rat gun? :D

January 3, 2003, 12:27 AM
It's kinda large and heavy for the caliber, but it's easy to shoot and very accurate.

I might need to get a P32 one of these days. I've tried one, and liked it but still prefer my CZ.

January 3, 2003, 03:08 AM
Colt 380 Goverment or sometimes a Kel- Tec P-32. The P-32 is easy to conceal - even in a bathing suit.

January 3, 2003, 04:21 AM
sixgun, how are the Davis derringers?

Really cheap, but functional.

The Derringers are strictly a "get off me gun". I always carry a Spyderco Clipit in my pants pocket and I keep a blackjack in my coat pocket.

What I like about the Davis Derringer is that its flat. When I put it in the breast pocket of a workshirt, the bulge looks like I have a pack of smokes rather than a gun. This is very good concealment.

The CVA vest pocket derringer (percussion) is really there for style as I use it as a fob on the chain of my pocket watch. I like to dress up with a white shirt (french cuffs, gold cufflinks) and silk vest. The fob is loaded of course (10gr FFFG and .31 caliber ball w/ #11 cap).

Herb Fredricksen
February 1, 2003, 03:17 AM
I hope one day soon the term mouse gun is viewed as the "M" word, you know, the good natured term when used among friends but the ugly term when used by anyone not a friend. It's a product of the bigger is better "big frame uber alles" thinking.

I own and enjoy a number of full size and compact pistols and at the same time I've been a fan of pocket pistols all my life. Now I find the term vest pocket pistol even more fascinating upon learning of their potential value in an emergency.

Without planning it I've slowly been drawn into the world of collecting pocket and vest pocket pistols. I'm amazed at how many variations have been produced and carried all over the world in the last century. I find more civilian, police and military .25's and .32's than anything else and they are uniformly of high quality and made by the big names, Walther, Savage, Colt, Mauser, Astra, CZ, SIG, Sauer, Steyr, LLama, Star, Browning, MAB, Feg, Beretta, etc. These were and are "man guns" and I believe they have always done the job they were designed to do, protect their owners from imminent danger.

I am always pleased and invigorated when my "in hand" .32 knocks down 60% to 70% of the steel plates at my club range. I've not tried knocking down all the plates with the back of my hand or my closed fist but I doubt I would do as well and I'm sure it would hurt like hell. I know I am better able to defend myself with a .32 (or a .25 or a .22) in my hand than bare handed. Big frame thinking aside the song I urge you to sing is "Stayin' Alive."

Herb Fredricksen

February 1, 2003, 11:43 AM
Yet another vote for the P32.
I got one of the early ones and it darn near took an act of God to get it to be reliable. Silvertips only.

August 5, 2006, 08:18 PM
p32 with hoge overgrips & practice

August 6, 2006, 03:49 AM
Colt 1908 vest pocket .25.

Still a neat little gun. Surpisingly accurate for all the horror stories about these little pistols.

August 8, 2006, 08:26 PM
Front pocket mouse gun is first last always my NAA mini with grip holster. Utilizing the pocket clip with the right pants most folks think its just my knife.

one shot one kill

August 9, 2006, 10:03 AM
in my front pocket... an AR-15. When I wear my clown pants.

in reality, a Colt Mustang Plus II in a Thompson Leather, Elephant leather trimmed pocket holster.

August 9, 2006, 12:02 PM

August 9, 2006, 12:28 PM
Kel-Tec P-3AT with ArmaLaser.

August 9, 2006, 01:58 PM
Beretta 418 (Bantam) .25 or NAA .22 LR. Mostly the NAA. In the truck only a Charter Arms Target Bulldog in .44 Special.

August 9, 2006, 03:48 PM
S&W 340PD, NAA Guardian... I've recently discovered Glaser and Magsafe too.

August 9, 2006, 04:13 PM
:barf: oops, once more:barf:

Okay, I feel better. I HATE mouseguns. I like .44s and 45s in wheelguns, .45s in autos. Life begins at .40, as they say. I don't "really like" ANYTHING that will fit in MY pocket - I'm a small dude. I carry CCW but in a holster.:evil:

I'll admit, though, hating mouseguns is not equal to not having mouseguns. I like the biggest thing I conceal, so in a front pocket, that means I like my Colt Agent .38 best for a revolver; .40 cal KelTec P40 in an auto; and I'd take the .40 over the .38 anytime. I have a couple of .380s but they're no smaller than the KelTec, so forget them. Moving on down, the next smaller is my (ugh) ultimate mousegun, a Taurus P22. THAT is a last ditch gun. Just because I hate it, I train with it. That's a Karma thing for another post someday. Anyhow, it's reliable but ick... :eek: If you think you ever might carry it, you may as well learn how to HIT with it.

Pearl's Dad
August 9, 2006, 04:18 PM

and btw, has anyone else noticed that this thread started along time ago?

August 9, 2006, 07:47 PM
Kel-Tec P3AT

I have noticed a lot of Kel-Tecs....

August 9, 2006, 09:22 PM
Kel Tec P3at and a S&W 642

Hey Bobo hows that Armalaser??? I'm considering one for my P3at and Glocks.

August 10, 2006, 01:45 AM
I own so many guns I don't remember them when I see them, and I carry a P.O.S. kel-tec P380, becuase it is 11 ounces and has a clip.

When I go to Sin City [Seattle] I like to carry an 11 shot 45acp with 45 Super loads.

August 10, 2006, 02:13 AM
I admit I'll be the first and not ashamed............. here we go............... a Jennings J-22............ no really. ...............I've got a good one, I have not had the first jam or FTF. I use Remington .22's and I clean it after every time I use it. I know - I know I have already heard it, " all your going to do is piss off the person you shoot" I plan on if I have to use it in a self defence situation I'm going to shoot the bad guy in the face or neck, I beleive that would stop just about anyone, heck, it would stop me from doing bad things and I'm over 300lbs. and 6' 3". Now don't get me wrong, I don't carry the Jennings every where and all the time, most of the time I carry my very well loved Glock ( g-26 ). Heck go ahead and flame me if you want, but I know my Jennings is a good one. Most people I have talked to said their Jennings always jammed or a FTF. The first thing I would ask is "DO you clean it after you shoot it?" Most of the time I here this "NO". I have bought Jennings .22's and Ravens .25's cheap due to the owner said " It"s a peace of crap, jams all the time" I would buy it or it would have been given to me and I would take it home and clean it really good and then guess what, it would shoot good, never jammed.

August 10, 2006, 08:07 AM
Yeah, I've noticed a bunch of you guys have mouse guns but don't like them very much (same here). I usually want as much firepower as I can get away with (like MORE = BETTER). But the big holster guns (and yeah, long arms) just don't conceal well, so it's "compromise" time. I'd rather carry a mousegun in a pocket in a situation where the holster rig is a "no go" than no gun at all. So yeah, my Kel-Tec P40 does fit in that pocket. It's not a fun shooter, but I'm sure it's no fun on the wrong end, either.

Which brings me to my point. Looks like Kel-Tec does have a following here. I liked that pic of the P3-AT with the laser. Cool. You guys really like your Kel-Tecs? When I bought mine (I only have one) it looked good, price was right, and it was good for size vs power (P40 is pretty concealable for a .40). I'm happy with it. I wonder if they stopped making it 'cause they're ornery to shoot or something. Mine is just about as pleasant at the range as my Charter Arms Bulldog in .44 Special - not the sort of thing you want to play with all day. How do you guys feel about Kel-Tecs as mouse guns?

August 10, 2006, 08:51 AM
So how many of the Kel-Tec guys here are on the "big side" of things? I've noticed that trying to hide a full size 1911 is like trying to strap a holster on a beach ball and cover it with a beach towel. It seems the larger you are, the harder to hide a gun! That is unless you wear clothes 2 sizes too big!

August 10, 2006, 09:50 AM

You said it, which is why I have winter carries, summer carries and mid-season carries. Some of thise are formal carries, others are informal carries. Some are cold weather and some more suited to warm or very hot weather...

Then there are the BUGs... So it's everything from 1911s through Kahrs and NAAs clear to baby Brownings and a couple J-frames as well.

August 10, 2006, 09:58 AM
A cheap Davis in .25. I can hide it totally in the palm of my hand. I will slip it into my pocket when I feel the need to have just a little something. I carry it on road trips for going into rest area restrooms, showers at truck stops and showers in campgrounds, (I will put it into a soap dish and take it into the shower w/ me).

August 10, 2006, 10:07 AM
Ah, great idea! One of those bar-soap containers with a lid for carry in luggage...?! A 25 would slip right in!

August 10, 2006, 10:09 AM
Glocker...a Jennings:neener:

God forbid you need to defend yourself the the newspaper would say," Mugger shot by Pimp"

August 10, 2006, 12:50 PM
Oh, now that's just cool!:D I have a road trip next week, and now I'm gonna have to get a soap bar box for my little Taurus P22! I'll just yank the grips, blast it with WD-40, blow the excess off with my airhose, and I should be in business, ja? Never thought of that......:evil:

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