question for CZ owners..


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piece of meat
June 17, 2012, 12:16 PM
I took my 75 to the range for the first time since getting it back from cz custom shop. The action was incredibly smooth and the trigger, though still with a bit of staging, was improved. There was one problem tho- i had several stovepipes and even a couple FTF's!!! This was unusual cause it has close to 3000 rounds thru it and this was the first time its ever had ANY failures of any kind. All I can think of is maybe the recoil spring is getting old..its still on its original one. I have a few spares, but my question is this: how is the guide rod attached to the spring? Is it glued on at the base? What is the procedure for seperating the guide rod from the old spring, and attaching it to the new one? Thanks

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sinbad339
June 17, 2012, 12:30 PM
I have a 75 compact, and like all my other autos, the spring is not attached to the guide rod

rellascout
June 17, 2012, 12:35 PM
It is not attached. Grasp it at the base of the spring and pull it off. There will be a slight bit of resistance since the spring has a smaller diameter on that end IIRC. This is the process I use to removed all guide rod springs so I do not stretch them.

armoredman
June 17, 2012, 02:16 PM
First, contact CZ Custom to let them know what happened, since this is the first time you shot it since they worked on it. They will help you get it right.
I don't remember any CZ pistols I've had/do have that have captive springs - it just takes a little effort to slide it off.

piece of meat
June 17, 2012, 02:23 PM
Yeah ill prob call them monday...and there is some force keeping the guide rod inside the spring, theres nothing visibly holding it in but it doesnt fall out on its own and i could not get it off pulling on it with my fingers...forgive my noobishbess but im new to all this:D

JDGray
June 17, 2012, 03:00 PM
A stovepipe from a weak recoil spring? I think not... I've seen it with to much, but not to weak.
Let us know what you find:)

foxmoor
June 17, 2012, 03:04 PM
Sometimes they replace the mainspring with a lighter mainspring to improve trigger pull and I wonder if this could be the underlying reason. Was the ammo WWB or something a bit hotter, like S&B? I'm sure CZ Custom will help make it right - good work is done there.

Kent in MI

piece of meat
June 17, 2012, 03:11 PM
It was federal 115 g...which ive shot thousands of rounds with no problems previously. Yeah they did replace the mainspring so maybe that could do it? Ill call them on monday

coalman
June 17, 2012, 03:18 PM
Try twisting (the direction that would unwind the spring) while pulling. It shoud pull off. What other work may the custom shop have done to the gun. Odd that it ran 100% prior then stopped. Trigger work on a CZ custom shop gun is impressive. Trigger work should not effect reliable cycling unless springs were changed, too.

tekarra
June 17, 2012, 04:20 PM
The spring on one of my 75s was tight on the guide rod so I grasped the guide rod and the spring close to the guide rod and turned it as though unscrewing a bolt. It took a bit of effort, but it came free. If that fails, make the call as others have suggested.

Walt Sherrill
June 17, 2012, 04:40 PM
Recoil spring isn't the likely culprit, as previously noted. (Stovepipes are typically caused by the extractor losing its grasp on the spent rim before the rim hits the ejector.)

Extractor spring getting weak is a possibility, particularly if one of the newer, extra-strength springs hasn't been installed.

jmr40
June 17, 2012, 04:45 PM
I have owned several CZ's as have several friends in the past. We all had reliability issues after about a year of ownership. Never kept up with round count. A trip to the gunsmith to replace all springs in the gun and magazines helped.

If you do a little reserch you will find that this is a very common problem with CZ's. Because of this and other issues I no longer own CZ's, nor would I recommend them.

viking499
June 17, 2012, 04:53 PM
If you do a little reserch you will find that this is a very common problem with CZ's. Because of this and other issues I no longer own CZ's, nor would I recommend them.

What other issues?

I don't consider it a common problem. Have a handful of CZ pistols, never had a problem with them other than a magazine spring.

You don't want to recommend them, that is your decision, but many will recommend them. A little research shows that there are very few problems and the recommenders far outweigh the non-recommenders.

Walt Sherrill
June 17, 2012, 09:20 PM
Spring-related issues with CZs are a common subject of internet discussion but NOT, I would argue, a common problem with CZs.

For a brief period, some years ago, CZ delivered some guns with poor-quality trigger springs -- obtained from a sub-contractor. They acknowledgedthe problem and replaced the springs for those who had failures. CZ also later changed their extractor spring, moving to a more powerful model spring. For folks who where having extraction issues (mostly in guns sold before the mid-2000s, that seemed to solve the problem. Removing and cleaning behind the extractor also helped -- but that's a more involved fix.

I've had maybe 25+ CZs over the years, and had extraction problems with only ONE of those guns. I did replace the extractor springs on several, however, going to the extra-power springs offered by Wolff, as insurance. I also busted one firing pin retention roll pin, back when they said don't dry-fire and I didn't believe them. CZ later changed to a doubled-roll pin and still later to a solid one. No more breaks. (I wish they'd continue to use a firing pin stop plate rather than a retention roll pin, as in the pre-B 75s and 85 Combat; I know, I know -- more costly to make.)

CZ's recoil springs, for years, were lighter than stated -- 12 lbs, probably, rather than the stated 14 lbs. But, this was not a performance issue, nor a problem. (A light recoil spring won't generally cause as many problems as a too-heavy spring.) Except for the trigger springs and the upgraded extractor springs, I know of no others spring-related issues. I do know that a lot of folks who don't know how to diagnose performance issues will blame springs for their problems.

I was a senior moderator on the CZ forum for MANY years; during that time our membership grew to many thousand users. Discussion of problems was an everyday event. Bad springs was not a common topic. One thing I noticed, however, among that growing membership was that many new CZ members were first-time semi-auto pistol owners. That level of experience and know-how brings with it a different understanding of semi-auto problems and less experience in dealing with them. An experienced rifle or shotgun enthusiast, or someone good with revolvers is often lost when starting up with semi-autos.

But, then too, I'm surprised, on these type of forums, by how many folks, when they find they have a problem gun, quickly sell the gun rather than get it right. Most don't contact the gun maker; a few take them to local gunsmiths; a few ask on forums like this for help. It's not rocket science.

armoredman
June 18, 2012, 04:12 PM
viking, jmr40 had a bad time with a CZ pistol now he hates the very name, and always makes it a point to bash the brad whenever a question comes up. I would also like to point out something that jmr, (typical), missed in the OP's story - the pistol worked perfectly when stock. The work that was done on it is likely to have something to do with it - 3000 rounds is NOT enough to do in a recoil spring. The incredible craftsmen and women at CZ Custom WILL make it right, please let us know how the conversation goes.

viking499
June 18, 2012, 11:24 PM
Thanks Armoredman, I thought I remembered seeing his name somewhere before........

gator-1
June 19, 2012, 12:11 AM
Well I am one of the newby's on the auto handguns too and I got a cz pcr because 1. it fit my hand better than any other auto I tried 2. I did alot of research and cz has a very good rep for reliability 3. I wanted a hammer, probably because I shot revolvers and was unsure about the polimer striker fired handguns 4. The price was right.
I've had mine for a couple of years and shot alot (don't think 3000 rounds) they have all been wally world cheap stuff. wwb, rem umc and that russian tullie stuff. they all went bang no problelms at all, I even mixed them up in the same clip. The only time the gun didn't go bang was when i didn't get the clip seated all the way in. Released the slide and the clip fell out, my buddy still laughs at me about that.
O'yea the spring isn't fixed to the guide rod on mine either.
call cz i bet they will fix it

Buck Nekkid
June 19, 2012, 06:35 PM
I've got about 2 dozen CZ's in the gunsafe right now and not one has had a spring issue. Like Walt said (we miss you Walt!) and Amoredman, czech with the fine folks at CZ Custom.

They did a bright polished stainless CZ 75 for me, it is the most awesome pistol I own (other than the custom engraved Ruger Vaquero Birdshead!)

Bullet Bob
June 19, 2012, 07:01 PM
After ignoring the CZ buzz for many years, I made the mistake of holding one in a gunstore a couple of months ago, and immediately ordered a new 85 Combat from CZ Custom with a competition hammer/trigger job.

I went to the range, and shot it better than any of the other 9mm's (at least eight, it's unbelievable how things multiply over the years) I currently own. Part of that is no doubt the trigger, but I enjoyed it so much I have a 75 TS on the way.

And I promised myself I wouldn't buy any more guns at my advanced age. :o

SKILCZ
June 20, 2012, 12:43 AM
The CZ bug is contagious. Mine keep on multiplying. My 75 is still my favorite handgun to shoot, and everyone who's shot it has loved it.

edfrompa
July 19, 2012, 02:39 PM
CZ is one of the finest handguns made. It is the largest manufactering of hand guns in the world. I have all the brand name manufacters handguns in one cal or another. Some where ok, some where not. Did I have a problem with my first CZ?? Yes I did, but I got it resolved real quick. No questions asked. That is why the company is still in business since 1937. Who ever has CZs brag on them the ones that do not have them put them down because they are foreign made. I would be willing to bet anyone that whatever you own today is probably 90% foreign made from shoes to dinner plates. All I can say is CZ is way to go!!

chris in va
July 19, 2012, 05:03 PM
I had FTE issues with my 75bd where the incoming round would hang up on the spent case. New MecGar mags and taper crimping all rounds cured the issue.

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