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Motega
June 17, 2012, 01:35 PM
This guy took photos from a current gunbroker auction :

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=291389380

and then created a fake listing at http://www.gunlistings.org/colorado-gun-classifieds/denver/all/92906/fs_colt_python_elite_6_stainless__.357_magnum

I contacted the person and they sent me a fake military ID and asked me to send a $1200 money order to

NAME: DANIELLE GAMACHE
ADDRESS: 302 S.RUSSELL St. Apt #3
CITY: AVA
STATE: ILLINOIS
ZIPCODE: 62907

and called my prepaid cell with a number that came up gave the phone number : 314-338-4617. He called my cell phone with that phone number so apparently it is a working number, I'm sure a prepaid cell impossible to track.

I called the county sheriff and the deputy I spoke with said they don't have the manpower to pursue it.
I asked the guy to take a photo of himself holding up his phone number and I would run right out to my bank that is open on Sunday and get a money order, hopefully his greed will overcome his common sense and I will be able to post a photo of this thief.

Be on the lookout for anyone using any combination of these credentials.Whatever you do though, don't let your sense of decency or justice prompt you to call that cell phone at all hours of the night, that wouldn't be very nice.

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Salmoneye
June 17, 2012, 01:56 PM
Love it!

Keep up the good work!

hjh45acp
June 17, 2012, 02:55 PM
Very good work. I am glad you followed up almost got burned once my self.

rcmodel
June 17, 2012, 03:00 PM
Did you report him to Gunbroker and Gunlistings?

And maybe the Department of the Army and Homeland Security.

Using a fake military ID is real serious business anymore!!

Postol inspectors might have an interest too since he wants you to mail him a check.

Also, look at the guys other auction listings.
http://www.gunlistings.org/user-view.php?emailid=19932

He lives all over the country!

rc

jscott
June 17, 2012, 03:09 PM
Your local sheriff's office may not have the manpower but Army CID (Criminal Investigations Division) probably will. They do have the capacity and authority, as well as a strong interest, to go after the perp whether civilian or military based upon his use of the purported military ID.

Either call the Army post nearest you or try these:

http://www.cid.army.mil/units_conus.html

It is a listing of all CID commands nationwide.

Sig Bill
June 17, 2012, 03:19 PM
I seen that before but I don't remember where from. It's the same scam (same name and pic) and had been reported but I'm surprised it's going again.

monet61
June 17, 2012, 03:36 PM
I'm really glad that you guys know how to spot these dirtbags and inform us.
Most of us, I'm sure, don't think of scams when we see something that seems to be legit.
Anyhow, thanks.

rcmodel
June 17, 2012, 03:37 PM
I also noticed on Gunlistings.org there is no way to view the sellers feedback from previous sales.

I would avoid an auction site that doesn't show seller feedback ratings like the plague!!!

rc

cpt-t
June 17, 2012, 03:40 PM
Motega: I can`t agree more on calling the CID. The Cid has helped me many times and they have the resources to presue this matter at a different level than local or state lawenforcement. I will be very surprised if they will not help you. The CID has helped me many times and there many talents are just outstanding. Just call your nearest ARMY POST and ask to speak to them. GOOD LUCK TO YOU: ken

paintballdude902
June 17, 2012, 03:42 PM
it is now illegal to photo copy a military id. the layout is completely wrong.....

forward it to the fbi

steveno
June 17, 2012, 03:49 PM
I know my military ID didn't have "Geneva Convention Identification" on it. unless that is something new that would have been the first thing that I noticed. the fact that it had a woman's name for what looks like a guy unless it is pronounced different.

Jorg Nysgerrig
June 17, 2012, 04:25 PM
I know my military ID didn't have "Geneva Convention Identification" on it.
That seems strange My old laminated active duty and reserve cards from over 20 years ago had that on it in the border on the bottom and several .mil sites show several samples of the newer cards with the same thing as the picture above has (save they have "Conventions" instead of "Convention"):

https://ia.signal.army.mil/IAF/IASOLesson15.asp
http://www.dodlive.mil/index.php/2011/06/more-personal-security-for-government-id-cards/army-mil-104075-2011-04-04-090414/
https://secureweb2.hqda.pentagon.mil/mpd/Default.aspx
http://www.doncio.navy.mil/chips/ArticleDetails.aspx?ID=3381
http://www.drum.army.mil/mountaineer/Article.aspx?ID=5253

And some pictures of the older style ones:
http://www.cac.mil/uniformed-services-id-card/
http://bsidneysmith.com/images/self/military%20id.jpg

Looking at some old ones online, it looks like they added it to DD Form 2A (the ID card) sometime between the form revisted 1959 (the ones that didn't have it) and the one revised in 1979.

Maybe they removed it for awhile?

Motega
June 17, 2012, 04:37 PM
I am going to follow up as suggested with CID... unfortunately for this guy I just had back surgery and have all the time in the world to track him down. I asked for the photo of him holding his phone number and he said he wasn't at home "so I had my wife do it". This is going to the sheriff in the AM and I will start the ball rolling with other authorities. It is possible this is in fact the scammer, or it could be a naive (or not so innocent) friend. Hopefully I'll get another photo out of him and maybe the local sheriff can put the 2 faces together somehow.

steveno
June 17, 2012, 04:59 PM
I was got out of the air force in 1973 so I guess things have changed. there was no such things as a bar code on them

sgtt2786
June 17, 2012, 05:03 PM
The ID card says he is a Sergeant which is E-5 pay grade not OF3 ??? If that's a picture of his wife, he is already being punished!! LOL Now she is involved in the criminal activity as well, oh well keep us advised and thank you.
John

Snowdog
June 17, 2012, 05:06 PM
Wow, this is interesting. Keep us apprised!

Jorg Nysgerrig
June 17, 2012, 05:08 PM
I was got out of the air force in 1973 so I guess things have changed. there was no such things as a bar code on them
That would explain it. My guess is that they must have updated it in 1979 to add that then. It would made sense they didn't update the form from 1959 until 1979. I'm not sure when they added the barcode and all the other features

rcmodel
June 17, 2012, 05:14 PM
The ID card says he is a Sergeant which is E-5 pay grade not OF3 ???I noticed that too.

OF3 is the NATO equivalent of an Army Captain (Pay grade O-3 or OE-3).

rc

Robert
June 17, 2012, 05:45 PM
I am going to sticky this thread for the time being so we can all keep track of developments. Good on ya for busting this guy!

Motega
June 17, 2012, 07:40 PM
it really "Grinds my gears" (to steal an expression from Peter Griffin) that he emailed about a half dozen other photos showing the same soldier he is pretending to be. On base, etc. If you Google "fake military ID" the same person is shown in a bunch of photos. It's especially shameful that someone is using the likeness of a man in our military to commit these acts of fraud. I don't want to upload the other photos to further spread his face around the internet. Gunlistings has blocked his IP and address and he didn't respond to my second request for a photo of himself but I'll try again to get him to send another photo.

Sig Bill
June 17, 2012, 08:52 PM
Y'all are pointing out inconsistencies that was reported before so it's the same scam. When you mentioned gunlistings then I remembered where it came from, this is it.

Good goings guys but I don't understand why he wasn't busted already. They said they were going to get him. Turned out he's still scamming but a pic of his wife(?) with the phone no is a new one.

TomADC
June 17, 2012, 10:33 PM
My current I'd card has a bar code of some sort on the back it's one of the things they look at when I go on base.
But unless things have changed a bunch that Geneva card isn't used as id.

scrat
June 18, 2012, 01:04 AM
If you look really closely at his picture it seems like his left arm is sticking out like he is holding a camera to take the picture

happygeek
June 18, 2012, 01:24 AM
This guy is terrible at fake IDs, luckily for the people he's trying to scam. I see at least 6 things wrong with his ID right off the bat. The big tip offs are the rank/pay grade mismatch and the issue date vs the expiration date (a real ID isn't good for anywhere near the 9 years on his).

There's other differences with the newer IDs I won't bother mentioning.

Just for the lulz, ask him to send you a DA31 with his digital signature on it.

7.62 Nato
June 18, 2012, 01:38 AM
Mind if I repost this on another board?

Motega
June 18, 2012, 02:10 AM
Feel free to spread it around but maybe wait a day or two until he wises up. I'm trying to get at least a mug shot out of him. Here was the latest message he sent:

"Frank,
You can go ahead and send the Money Order to someone else...... So much hassle because you want to buy my gun.... I cant take the picture so you can get some other seller,i already did the best i could do,i sent my Military ID,more pictures of me at work and picture of my wife holding my phone number,isnt that OK enough? Just get another seller and i will get another buyer also........ Have a good night.

I want to call the CID but not sure if I should start with NJ (where I live) or IL where he wants the check sent. It's too bad the locals don't want to do ANYTHING about it- I'm sure the address he wants it sent to is an abandoned home, all they would have to do is hide a trail cam or two and snap some photos of the license plate.

It's on a dead end street, if you use Google Earth and type in the address you can even see it. Here is a link that allows you to virtually "walk down" S. Russel Street:

http://www.earth-scout.com/google-street-view.php?q=302%20S.RUSSELL%20St.%2062907

and here is an overview of the neighborhood and a view looking down the whole street ... I can't make out any house numbers but I bet one of you folks can figure out which one is #302. You can even see one of the neighbors well enough to ID his face! It's crazy how detailed and specific you can get using free simple Internet tools! Use the link above and try to figure out which one is #302.

Ah, Also forgot this little tidbit: he gave me the name of the bank along with details (I crossed out part of it because I'm certain some other scammer will find a way to make use of this info) . I don't think I should get involved with calling the bank, do you folks? My biggest concern is that this person may have stolen the ID of 'Danielle Gamache'. I'm going to see what comes up on Facebook using that name.

Bank Name: First Bank Of Campbell Hill
Holder's Name: Danielle R. Gamache
Account Number: 35xxx
Routing Number: 0812xxxxx

zdc1775
June 18, 2012, 11:51 AM
Part of the reason you can't see his house is you can not "walk" in the right direction. 302 is the on the left if you did a 180 from your street view according to Google maps.

Motega
June 18, 2012, 02:47 PM
I called the local post office and the postmaster recognized the woman in the photo. I forwarded the original email with the fraudulent ID along with her photo, the address, the phone number for the post office, and her phone number to the one CID office in IL that listed an email and the CID office in NJ along with the FBI office closest to Ava, IL. I was a little disheartened that the IL CID office email bounced (as in not working) and no one picked up the phone at any of the CID offices I called- but I did leave a message.
Hopefully it will put an end to her scheming.
I'd love to call that phone number and tell her all this but putting her on alert won't help matters, and in this day and age I would probably be charged with harassment or something.
I'll fill you folks in if I have any additional info.

Sig Bill
June 18, 2012, 02:50 PM
I'd love to call that phone number and tell her all this

No, don't spoil the surprise party they are planning for her. :neener:

Certaindeaf
June 18, 2012, 02:54 PM
Most excellent.

TomADC
June 18, 2012, 03:59 PM
Whoops missed post #4 showing his other listings.
I surprised he does want to use google check out for payment.

rcmodel
June 18, 2012, 04:00 PM
Yea.
I mentioned that in post #4.

rc

robMaine
June 19, 2012, 11:24 AM
There is a Danielle R. Gamache in Cutler, Il. I wouldn't be surprised if she is the scammer, using her real name. It would make the process of cashing the money order a lot easier. I am work and don't have much more time, but a quick google/facebook search turned up some possible relatives and a bunch of other info. Anyone with more time then myself could have some fun with this....

gym
June 19, 2012, 01:12 PM
Most of the time these clowns get away with it, because as an ATF agent told me, we don't have the time to set up a sting operation, and until they actualy send the gun and take the money it's all alleged. Even if picked up it's a white collar crime unless the military gets involved, they get out the same day and do it again. Non violent crimes don't get the same type of response as crimes commited with a weapon, or a robbery mugging etc. I wish you guys the best in getting the SOB, but after wasting 2 weeks on one of these, I saw that no one but me was interested in catching them. It was the same deal, a drivers license,with an 89 year old lady whose husband passed away, Meanwhile they were running so many scams that they got the gun and my name mixed up, I called local and ATF with no interest, I did speak to the agent in charge in South FL, but he said we would have to have his bosses permision to set up a sting, and he would never be bothered for a single gun.
That's why this crap still goes on, same as credit card theft, all 3 of my neighboors have had a problem in the past year. Someone in Europe was buying musical instruments with my card, which was expired and in my safe.They get them when they hack into a stores data base. But these banks don't care, they send you a form and you fill it out and we end up paying for it in bailouts and taxes.The woman on the phone could care less when I asked her why they pu through an expired card from an American in his 60's buying a horn in Germany, without checking or calling first, she said ,"call the store" in Germany, sure i'll do that.
Too bad someone doesn't live near this person, They could knock on the door, and ask if they had the gun for sale, That would shake them up good. She wouldn't know who or what was happening. Then once you id 'd her you just might get the sherriff to arrest her.

willroute
June 21, 2012, 09:31 PM
Outstanding work uncovering these maggots. There was a wilson cqb on texasguntrader.com a few months ago where a user was running a scam. The user was aceskit. Their email address was kitaces@yahoo.com

I asked to meet them to look over the gun. They had the audacity to try to get me to send a money order and they would "ship" it. I played along and asked for their address. Below is conversation:

From me to scammer: I am ready to send money order. What is your address?

Aces Kit kitaces@yahoo.com to me:

Address for payment below,be sure to overnight it to enable me ship ASAP and send the tracking for easy follow up

Shari King 2318-C Capitan. Corpus Christi Texas 78414



from me to scammer: if this is your real address, then do you actually think I would send you a money order overnight? hahahahaha

dude, or chic...whatever you are....so many things wrong with your scam...overnight, postal money order. you really have someone send you a money order? ***? karma is a **********



Then silence from them. Imagine that.

If you see something from Aceskit, do not trust.

gym
June 24, 2012, 12:31 PM
Mine showed up on FL gun trader, the following day she claimed to be in Detroit. I told her she needed an FFL, she said she just picked it up. I said where? it was just so poorlly done that I was surprised that anyone fell for it. But Fl gun trader is notorious for this stuff.
Try to avoid using them unless you can do an FTF. I have gotten a couple nice deals from legit folks who were just as disgusted as I was with $400.00 kimbers and Colts.If it looks too good, "you know the rest. And also you have to be careful of being robbed by these gangs. They will make you drive out to the sticks, and meet up with you and your cash, with 2 trucks full of dirtbags.
Always set your meetings in a local gun store or major chain store. Like a Home depot.
Bring a friend, with a seperate car or truck and a rifle. It's too bad we have to worry about things like this also.

txgunsuscg
June 24, 2012, 01:57 PM
I would definitely report it to CID or the FBI. It is a federal crime (http://www.army.mil/article/28452/photocopying-military-cac-ids-a-violation-of-federal-law/) to counterfeit a federal ID card, and I can straight up tell you that it is a counterfeit. there are no watermarks, there is no such thing as an "OF3" in the military, and if you look at his pic, he has full-color patches or something on his uniform. The only full color patch on an Army uniform is the American Flag, and it is on the shoulder. Also, if you look at the position of his arms, he is holding the camera, which is not something the ID card office lets you do.

lionking
June 26, 2012, 10:09 PM
Both on gunbroker and auction arms as well as ebay I have passed up great listings when the seller had no feedback. They might have been legit but for high dollar items guns or guitar stuff or whatever I won't take the chance when the seller has no history.

Smaller dollar items, I have bought from no feedback new sellers and so far no problem except a $7 vase on ebay one time I never got.

Oh another thing, check what items they have sold in the past if they do have feedback. One time I saw a item I wanted on ebay that was around $400 and after checking the feedback they had only been active for a couple months and all the feedback was for $1 items which didn't seem right.

There is no absolute guarantee you'll never get burned but with some caution and common sense chances are you'll score some great stuff and have a smooth transaction.

That site listing the scam, if it won't show sellers history I would never buy....

Yo Mama
June 27, 2012, 02:36 PM
No, don't spoil the surprise party they are planning for her.


If that's a picture of his wife, he is already being punished!!

You guys have me rolling here.

essayons21
June 29, 2012, 11:53 AM
As many have said, CID or FBI. That is a fake federal ID.

A rather pathetic attempt too.

Nauga
July 1, 2012, 02:16 PM
Bottom line fellas, if the price is too good to be true, it probably is.
Somebody's been doing this on the local Armslist site too, and they're always easy to spot - They're not asking retail for their used weapons. Heh heh... If not more than retail.

Motega
July 10, 2012, 12:14 AM
The postmaster knew the woman, she's new in town, he said he doesn't deliver there anyway so she would have never got the money order.
Say what you want about Paypal, but it's getting to the point where it's the only safe way to pay for stuff except for face to face. Using a credit card on Paypal offers 2 layers of protection and the nominal fees they charge are worth it to me.
While we are on the topic, what are some of your other suggestions to complete transactions safely? I usually insist on a phone conversation and some kind of verifiable address, workplace verification, etc.
Like it's been said- these folks are getting bolder and bolder because getting caught has zero consequence. I would hope that in this case she is at least embarrassed to be pegged as a thief in a small town, but I suppose that's why she's "new in town", a condition that petty thieves probably find themselves in a whole bunch of times over the course of their lives.

GWARGHOUL
July 11, 2012, 03:50 AM
Say what you want about Paypal, but it's getting to the point where it's the only safe way to pay for stuff except for face to face.

Unless of course you are the seller. Paypal offers ZERO protection or intervention, or even a care in the world to the seller. I encountered someone on Ebay who bought an item, and I asked twice to leave feedback. He then said I was harassing him, and filed a claim against me. No damaged goods, plenty of pictures, emails and calls on my end.. and they still awarded him his funds (to their expense, as I removed my bank account info the second he filed a claim)..simply because they didn't want him to initiate a chargeback with his bank. They lost the money either way. It ended up in collections, and I won the dispute there.

Sgt.Murtaugh
July 24, 2012, 12:39 PM
Contact the USPS. If this guy is fraudulently taking money by mail, it is mail fraud and they take that very seriously.

Iowa Bow Hunter
July 24, 2012, 11:36 PM
I have been dealing with this guy from a post on Armslist for a MKA 1919 and he finally sent me his # 314-338-4617 only he said he was from Middletown Ohio and sent me a pic of his military ID Hopefully you guys get this POS.

Iowa Bow Hunter
July 24, 2012, 11:46 PM
The name on the military ID is Michelle Hatton

Iowa Bow Hunter
July 24, 2012, 11:56 PM
I still have all of my emails.

foghornl
July 25, 2012, 06:28 PM
Hmmm area code 314 is near St. Louis, MO.....

Motega
July 25, 2012, 09:35 PM
Last week an officer called me and said they were pursuing her/them- great to see they actually took the time/manpower to do this!

The lesson I come away with is that it's worth it to pursue the bad guys sometimes, if we all just are too busy to bother then we all lose.

Robert
July 26, 2012, 02:05 PM
Outstanding!

Anonomus
July 28, 2012, 06:45 PM
This guy took photos from a current gunbroker auction :

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=291389380

and then created a fake listing at http://www.gunlistings.org/colorado-gun-classifieds/denver/all/92906/fs_colt_python_elite_6_stainless__.357_magnum

I contacted the person and they sent me a fake military ID and asked me to send a $1200 money order to

NAME: DANIELLE GAMACHE
ADDRESS: 302 S.RUSSELL St. Apt #3
CITY: AVA
STATE: ILLINOIS
ZIPCODE: 62907

and called my prepaid cell with a number that came up gave the phone number : 314-338-4617. He called my cell phone with that phone number so apparently it is a working number, I'm sure a prepaid cell impossible to track.

I called the county sheriff and the deputy I spoke with said they don't have the manpower to pursue it.
I asked the guy to take a photo of himself holding up his phone number and I would run right out to my bank that is open on Sunday and get a money order, hopefully his greed will overcome his common sense and I will be able to post a photo of this thief.

Be on the lookout for anyone using any combination of these credentials.Whatever you do though, don't let your sense of decency or justice prompt you to call that cell phone at all hours of the night, that wouldn't be very nice.
Gotta love that he put his picture in revers (ribbons on wrong side) on the id. And even if if he hadn't, I don't remember ever wearing ribbons on BDU's when I was in the service.

mgkdrgn
July 28, 2012, 08:57 PM
Say what you want about Paypal, but it's getting to the point where it's the only safe way to pay for stuff except for face to face.

Except that you CAN NOT use PayPal to pay for firearms ... it violates their terms of service. If they find out, they will close your account, the other partys account, and lock up any funds in both accounts.

bsheppic
August 5, 2012, 09:03 PM
Who ever this is they are it at it again. See armlist post below. The referance the same phone # as the rest of these post when I recieved a email from them.

http://www.armslist.com/posts/495136/mississippi-shotguns-for-sale--beretta-sv-10-12-ga

When the price is too good to be true it isn't true....

7.62 Nato
August 5, 2012, 10:41 PM
"The community has spoken! This post been flagged as a scam. "

gainsharing
August 20, 2012, 05:54 PM
This thief is now taking shotgun pictures from Gunbroker.com and using the name Cheryl Lott, Saint Paul Rd. in Byhalia, MS. The guns are selling for 25% of their actual value. I paid $40 to PeopleSmart.com for a full background report on this person and found too many inconsistencies (addresses, names, email addresses and disconnected phone numbers) to rush him/her a cashier's check. The seller emails every day asking if we still have a deal. This has been reported to the local police so they still haven't caught up with this couple.

ilsrwy27
August 23, 2012, 02:01 PM
Very interesting... There was a scammer a few weeks ago that pulled something very similar on a local website.
I guess when you see things advertised way too cheap locally the first thing to do is check on GB for a similar listing...

Mr. Farknocker
September 5, 2012, 03:04 PM
Sorry, but I'm ignorant about what services these auction sites offer but why don't these auction sites use escrow like eBay does? I avoided an $800 scam once by using an escrow service on eBay when I purchased a pair of turbochargers. I had three days to inspect the goods and to either accept or reject them. I paid escrow the money and escrow notified the shipper to send the product. When the product arrived, I discovered that they were not as advertised and quickly canceled the purchase. I returned the product and my money, less an administrative fee, was returned to me by escrow. Its a good way to avoid a scam like this one and is well-worth the money.

Bubbles
September 5, 2012, 05:03 PM
eBay primarily uses PayPal now for payments. IIRC the same company owns both.

PayPal does not permit payments for firearms and will lock your account and freeze your funds if you use it for that purpose.

sigep749
September 8, 2012, 01:03 PM
Found similar on Armslist, said they were a man, but signed it "Joan", wonder if it's the same person. I flagged it on Armslist. The post said it was local, but when I emailed, they said Indianna.

Really frustrated because I wanted the gun bad!

rugerdude
September 11, 2012, 06:40 PM
Haha, I just contacted the same person, and immediately realized it was a scam when I saw the actual value of the gun. Do they claim to be from SC?

rugerdude
September 11, 2012, 07:46 PM
Just got the same hilariously fake military ID from the same person. Pic is the same, but the name is now Joan Shackleford. Hahahaha

firesky101
September 11, 2012, 08:31 PM
HAHAHA... Shackleford. I hate to profile my fellow gun owners but it would seem Shackleford would be a terrible fake name to use on us. It just screams fake, at least they did not say their first name was Rusty.

m1dbob1944
September 11, 2012, 11:27 PM
You guys did your research and it paid off. Do diligence works every time. Also, the old adage, "If it sounds too good to be true..." Commons sense and critical thinking works every time.

goldwinger43
September 29, 2012, 12:08 PM
I responded to a ad on ARMSLIST.com for a KEL TEC shotgun for $800.00. Recieved the following phone number to call - 314-338-4617 . I did a google search on the number and came up with you guys postings. THANKS!

Also, they gave me this address to send payment to:
> Opal Hayes
> 106 S. Welch St.
> Scottsville
> KY
> 42164

Refused to send me a copy of their driver license so I got suspicious.

Haven't had scam artist on gun deals but I guess no one is immune.:cuss:

mookiie
October 11, 2012, 02:38 PM
great thread. thanks for looking out for fellow gun enthusiasts!


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readr1
October 16, 2012, 09:57 PM
This one almost got me as well, I found the gunbroker auction the pictures were stolen from and had the post office return my envelope that I sent to the scammer.

I responded to a ad on ARMSLIST.com for a KEL TEC shotgun for $800.00. Recieved the following phone number to call - 314-338-4617 . I did a google search on the number and came up with you guys postings. THANKS!

Also, they gave me this address to send payment to:
> Opal Hayes
> 106 S. Welch St.
> Scottsville
> KY
> 42164

Apachedriver
October 22, 2012, 09:35 PM
On this ID, the gray box above the name is the last name of the individual blocked out. And yes, ID cards for the last 10-12 years have had "Geneva Conventions Identification" not 'Convention' on them. That ID is not the current format but it was issued in the past.

The Picture:
It's not backwards.
The colorful stuff on his right side chest area is a patch from the Aviation unit he is or was a part of. I can't make out enough details to know what unit specifically but it is an AH-64 Company patch, not a Battalion patch.
Two things about it: 1) the shape is an Apache shield and 2) you can just make out the word ATTACK on it across the top. The unit designation is at the very top but the pic is a little too fuzzy for me to break it out but I can see that it lists the aviation company designation. (possibly C Co 1-???)

This pictured individual is/was most probably a maintenance crew member.
I personally don't recognize the patch though.

Hope some of this helps someone snag him.

blarby
October 24, 2012, 06:04 AM
Hmmmm Magic Jack........ This is gonna be fun.

I have something to do tomorrow :)

ole farmerbuck
October 24, 2012, 07:31 AM
Watching

powder
October 26, 2012, 09:21 AM
Dang Ava, Il. is too far south to easily investigate for me. I'll check WI Armslist for kel tec shotguns...

Investigator's trick: use the address given in the online "White Pages" looking for the neighbor's phone numbers. Call the neighbors and start asking basic questions of the address in question, w/o tipping your hand on what you are exactly doing; people at the house, vehicle plates, peoples' descriptions.

If you are close to one of these addresses use Google Earth to get the lay of the land, before doing a drive-by. However, keep in mind, the given address just may only be a point that mail is forwarded FROM.

BTW-"Danielle" would be a female, Danial is a male.

Charlesincharge
November 9, 2012, 12:45 PM
Thanks for the heads up!!

soonerfan85
December 10, 2012, 04:04 PM
I wonder if Mr/Mrs scammer would agree to accept a money order of $2,500 drawn on the National Bank of Nigeria representing my recent inheritance. I'd let them take $800 for the Kel-Tec plus an extra $200 for their troubles. They'd send me the gun and the balance of the money order in cash. I think that's a fair deal.

Bobk538447
December 15, 2012, 12:41 PM
I have seen several like that on Texas Gun Trader. The person only wants to text versus talk, the items are often in locations other than listed on the item, the photos come from GunBroker or other sites, and sometimes the verbiage is verbatim from somebody else description. I have found them by searching with the same description. The persons appear to be taking great joy in having people drive to do FTF and cancelling once the person shows up.

mikechandler
December 17, 2012, 01:14 PM
After reading this thread, I am astonished that anyone would agree to send their driver's license to somebody. I am hesitant to give any personal information to people on the net.

I've done some sales on gunbroker, and used armslist before without issue. I only ship to an FFL, and I demand USPS money orders. Funny, I've had people request copies of my ID before, and I've always told them flat out NO; were they suspicious that I was a scammer? The only thing I've ever provided is my name and address, and a link to the county clerk's record on my property ownership - all of which is already a public record. That's all - would I be a suspect?

Kudos to you guys that track down real scammers, and hopefully they're all actually scammers, and not just people protecting their privacy!

Mike Sr.
December 17, 2012, 01:25 PM
Have they been arrested yet?

Motega
December 18, 2012, 06:45 PM
I haven't called to check, nor have I been sent any info regarding the case. They did make a case out of it and investigate, and that was good enough for me. The person that did this was a moron, so I wouldn't be surprised if they tried it again but being as dumb as she is I'm not all that worried people will fall for it.

emailforforum84
December 20, 2012, 03:33 PM
You need to report this to a military installation also... First of all a rank of OF3 does NOT exist.... And a Sgt is an E5....So CLEARLY a fake but other than that looks pretty good.

This needs to go to the DOD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

castile
December 29, 2012, 11:25 AM
Just contacted a seller out of St. Augistine fla. Had a spikes ar for 1k. Then asked for a money gram. I said I can only do a CC, that way if its a scam I am out nothing. I never got a responce. So if its not a scam oh well. With prices spiking like mad its going to be normal to see this kind of thing. Anyone who pays 2500 for an AR is going to be sick in a year.

wriggly
December 31, 2012, 08:41 PM
I try to play it safe as possible. I never buy guns off online auctions, nor individuals posting. I might entertain a FTF buy if there were anything I really wanted that I could not find at my LGS or Davidsons or another reputable online gun dealer.

I have sold a few guns here on THR, but I only do local FTF transactions.

If Ebay and Paypal changed their policies, I would be on board.

whitecloud
January 28, 2013, 12:32 AM
The telephone number that has been listed is a St.Louis, MO number. 314 is the area code for the city 'proper' of St.Louis. The next set of numbers I'm not sure of. I'm thinking these could be southern extent of the city, but pre-paid phones.....you never can tell. But this is definitely a St. Louis number. I work in St.Louis that how I know.

HSPC
February 16, 2013, 03:54 AM
Wanted to get this on the web so Googles Search function can find it

I didn't fall for it as it seemed too good to be true.

502-230-1265 / 5022301265 is the phone number. Guy claims to be Chris Miller. Seller name on Texasguntrader is c.miller44 email is c.miller44@aol.com

Deal was for $1400 for a Beretta 682 e-gold. I always ask for higher resolution pictures and for specific pictures of certain spots on the gun to see if the person even has the firearm. This stuff is running rampent on Texas Gun Trader. This is the add here: http://texasguntrader.com/index.php?a=2&b=312213

I was skeptical because 1. he says he's in mineral wells, but has a Kentucky Phone number, that's ok.. but usually its a major city phone number. 2. he wouldn't send me a text picture of the firearm and then his texts were rather short and not exactly perfect grammar. Well sometimes old timers have trouble typing on phones so I ignored and asked him to provide additional pictures / information. He just sent me some 23 kb stock photos and they had a perfect white background, a white background is not easy to accomplish unless you're ripping images off somewhere else.

Anyways after googling his name / phone number i came across a thread http://www.network54.com/Forum/79537/thread/1333598157/1360104463/Almost+6+grands+worth+of+airgun+going+for+%242k

I decide to just ignore him, then randomly today I get a call from phone number 502-509-5460 / 5025095460 That's Louisville kentucky for those of you that don't know. I don't EVER deal with ANYONE from Kentucky. Not by choice, i just don't have interactions with folks in that neck of the woods. This person left a voicemail, it was in broken chinese or korean (I'll ask a buddy to decipher later)

Debating calling the FBI internet fraud department tomorrow to report.

This guy must have been trying hard if they were trying to call from another number. Not sure what their plan was if I picked up lol.

It would have never been an issue anyways since I absolutely refuse to buy/sell firearms unless it's Face to Face transactions. In that other thread some guy at the end mentions the guy asks to meet but looks for a $500 deposit. DO NOT ever do that. If a deal is too good to be true it probably is.

Now this is funny, this guy is using pictures from gunstar.uk
http://www.gunstar.co.uk/Shotgun/Beretta-682-Gold-E-gun-for-sale-gs110845.aspx
http://www.gunstar.co.uk/Shotgun/Beretta-682-Gold-E-Sport-gun-for-sale-gs117385.aspx

Other names / alias / contact info:
David Natoya
Victor Natoya
Bradon Anderson (actually his name is Brandon not Bradon)
Chris Lorie Miller
Chris Miller
502-230-1265
xroxy_smith@live.com
goofeey36@yahoo.com
cmiller@aol.com

Reported to the FBI Internet Fraud Department and local law enforcement

RetiredUSNChief
February 16, 2013, 07:07 AM
Looks like the original listing has already been taken down.

The Common Acess Card (CAC) was implimented in the U.S. Military not long before I retired. I'm also quite familiar with how it looks from a civilian DOD employee perspective as well, since I work for a naval shipyard as a civilian DON employee.

Here's some information which points to the ID card being fake, for those who are interested:

The picture is not in the right format. The image is not cropped the same way that CAC images are. It's too wide for it's height.

If you were to look at the person in the image closely, the shoulders don't look like they're correct for someone who is standing at ease in front of a camera being operated by another person. They look typical of someone taking their own picture. (My opinion, here.) I'm not sure what's shown on his right (???) shoulder...I'll leave that for someone else to critique. But ID pictures don't commonly include enough to show any ribbons, medals, or insignia that isn't a collar device.

Pictures on CAC's don't have the U.S. flag in the background. It's a plain background.

"ACTIVE DUTY" is in all caps. The military has long since gotten over the caps lock handicap and this is printed as "Active Duty" on all active duty military CAC.

The name is also in all caps. Again, the military doesn't use all caps for this. It should read "Danielle Gamache" for his first and middle names.

The Pay Grade is not correctly annotated. Enlisted people are annotated by "E" with a number afterwards, indicating the enlisted paygrade. For Sargent, this would be "E5". "OF3" appears to be completely nonsense, since officer's are shown with the letter "O" followed by a number and Warrant Officers are shown with the letter "W" followed by a number.

The "Pay Grade" and "Rank" lettering and the grade and rank shown are of incorrect font sizes, relative to each other.

The Issue Date and Expiration Dates are inconsistent. The Issue Date is the date the ID card is issued to the servicemember, not the date he enlisted. New ID cards are issued whenever there is a change a change in rank, enlisted obligated service dates, or whenever the card is damaged or lost. Enlisted contracts are for a maximum of 6 years. Note that this has nothing to do with the minimum required service time one is obligated for...only that the maximum term for any enlistement period itself is 6 years. The maximum period shown on the CAC can be no longer than the date it was issued to him to the end of his active duty obligated service. Thus the maximum period shown cannot be any longer than 6 years. The time on this ID card shows 9 years from the Issue Date.

The "Issue Date" and "Expiration Date" and the dates shown below them are the incorrect font sizes, relative to each other. See the CAC website to see what I mean.

http://www.cac.mil/common-access-card/

The vertical bar code shown does not look like the correct barcode format. Visit the Common Access Card website to see what one is supposed to look like.

All CAC's have that wavy background image/lettering on them in green lettering. Mine says "U.S. DEPARTMENT OF DEFENSE" in all caps. Likely they all have this, since the branch of service is clearly annotated by the branch seal in the upper right corner and the name of the service clearly printed below that. But it's currently 5 am where I'm at and I don't feel like running down to the waterfront to find a Sailor on duty and ask to see his CAC to verify that.

The ICC (Integrated Circuit Chip) contacts are an electronic image, not a real picture of one. The image shown has a "reflection", a bright clash across it. Yet the rest of the shiny plastic card does not have that. The contacts shown aren't what they're currently shaped as on the real thing, either. As shown, a CAC with this ICC contact configuration would not function in a CAC reader, and these readers haven't changed functionally since they were introduced.

And finally, the "picture" of this CAC is not, in fact, a picture of a CAC at all. A real CAC is a credit card sized and shaped ID card, complete with edges and rounded corners. This picture, even if it is a cropped one, doesn't show that. There is absolutely no hint of the wavy background security lettering. As measured, the aspect ratio of the card is incorrect. The card is slightly too short for it's height.


I hope enough heat has been delivered to the proper authorities to have the hammer dropped on this individual. I don't cotton to people impersonating servicemembers, especially for nefarious purposes. And if he's current or prior military, I don't cotton to liars and frauds.

dajowi
March 6, 2013, 05:22 PM
I wouldn't purchase any firearms from any private party over the internet - period.

codysalvick
March 7, 2013, 05:35 AM
Good stuff!

Boostedtwo
March 7, 2013, 07:20 AM
I live about 20-25 minutes from Louisville ky lol

gunownerz
April 16, 2013, 02:09 AM
Nice find!

cedge
April 16, 2013, 10:21 PM
Guys, I'm pretty sure this is a Nigerian scammer. I've seen similar scams before. The original email has IP addresses that trace back to Nigeria, but then they get the money shipped to the US. Usually it's a vacant house. I suspect they have a sucker over here getting the money for them unknowingly (work at home scam maybe who cashes the checks and keeps 10%). Reading the first part has all the hallmarks of that type of scam. The ID is a fake, photoshopped ID. Any photos are stolen. I highly suspect if you see something like that, it's a variation of the Nigerian scam.

Whyareyoucurious
April 29, 2013, 03:45 PM
I'm going to see if I can track him down.

Google images shows: https://www.okshooters.com/showthread.php?162217-Money-Orders-to-buy-from-Armslist
ID PICTURE SEARCHES: CLICK ME FOR 3 Pages of fake ID's being used. (https://www.google.com/search?tbs=sbi:AMhZZiuVAaoE6IF5V7joMkfx4J-LP5qKhN-30BzdgtNrAIk1QaHVgfU4Bwqk6Jw0vr88mxQPwAjjDjt9aE37R1cwpGB2YexbEbCen1IkyoLt4lHq2-jTOKrkOAJm8z0aHkLj4peVJ_1lBYfpcr-UwCVnn62VYodejLNMtmjvBewTAeuZKHZwg1S4gP1UM71Ow4PIKUTJPGzT6toj7F2tgiKIrdiapfWMJFtUB0BeqVmDgX6xpHqaeDHySy2WlsVQj0_1YuXadOwQ1qo9wFyBY5th7kQHNcU8SHK3HcPipa-H72zm6VMSIwr1NVtSu_1BvjlGcvdfUWA9DDDESCDou6aLqWLezHLqCja9vL1jpkfllPtebOq3smc-vhbd2dukvzA_13chutntOWEu7SssScrU7RdgD9Zu-16pdS8z6xwKOnQ0t5oMK5q8lLiA29dcuDf5P4OxhAXAHFcAC9ZZPt00rLsqrMRV7_1ekTY8fR8wqfrfkPCWAQG_1FcX2oFcuiIh8kHXfmdVCRh-Qw1ztZp01LAHkeb5U8kYvbcsuQQTNJ_13jEIJ2jkRNcMXJESpUQ7ASxyd4WnGdnEa5RhL6D8hwFtCxfnh8Q27z6XAy29Tx5sCz1zcQtFEsgaxpM3z29mP2HkmlZfTJOBiHwPSa5nibGgLCa-HSGUqL8oGDfOKzPbU1LQ050nkYXIIB2rnM8uXew0JoMLbTMju_1eXg9U3A-sUsYhLvSY911AOgNR4yyMSBBy1uUSLIXVRcJbagtcyEw6eE85uzJBtVS0_1iWjhtUFdsdcqZisZxBRGgUC3Yu72hB-LUSIKbIGYFkZ2PpWgswEDuayC-cUiICOB_1vUE3x9ZVzZhIWP8jE4vbE2Gm5I9fJ7QhCOEvZcfAA-GOiiunXyIGr8m0orsODriwg_1gYw5D7FQn8g_1tv-b-dv5aL2iPcdJzut_13qJwKZrGDpsHiPPrce9QkK3gqkO05-CyvPcDJ_1QDLjDnPUOhxspJu_1wTPJVYLUBB4oqhYLbqb_1fnCCU00ckc9m5GRqNmicfurt8gQOtfZlZJ58IXgezH_1QcJ8TdamfwVFv-kq4KntT9FH9OGXkFKTP2NEHGlaiHxhAMB3_1EbNi2oFZFnRfOPqtLZRLlpPmszRvfdGeRhNWv7JRgYzDMkGI5KWk4oS7Pf_1_19ml3XVnx1CberL_1d4ifXH11VRZLUoXKF5wNwJq93dqN2B1y37aGRczNPIFQNwnoqB_1zcTzPLkDqOWUZWdcAEa2NAxn523Z_1uk7Zdno21WABefJGl-KyxPCtDdjVpIPGPvz91xf711_1Vn6NBzLLuTQSfV9kIVZdlTLquecAZX9OqM3Vc_1qygDFRfgrx9-p9fWhU0eOqYkm-yWWa_1mjy_1kjuSDLnaFknflg07Qpemu5LtdrccZKj2elPVjOf&btnG=Search%20by%20image&hl=en&bih=918&biw=1920)
ORIGINAL AD: http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=647405
Gun pictures info:
Device used: Apple iPad 2
Date/Time Picture was taken: March 10, 2013 9:12:41PM





This is what he sent to my buddy:
From: Private Owner <bullletproof007@gmail.com>
Date: April 29, 2013, 2:05:36 PM EDT

Subject: Re: ARMSLIST - Message from about KELTEC KSG KEL TEC
Please find the copy of my Geneva ID and pictures of me. i am selling a few of my guns because i am having very serious Money problems right now(problems with the Mortgage, credit card,divorce etc)...my daughter had to stop schooling because of her health conditions so the whole weight is all on me for now, so sir you see i have alot on the line too. i very much understand you sir, please don't get me wrong but i assure you that everything will be just fine. i have sold a few guns to people from other state and it pretty much went well. i will let you know as soon as the fund gets to me and i'll have the gun shipped today. and will provide you all the details sir. The package will be wrapped with tapes and lots of foams to protect it. Pls do keep me Posted.

Regards.

Routing Number: 111000614
Account Number:203258006
Bank Name: Chase Bank
Bank Phone Number: (903) 561-0894
Holder's Name : Andrade . J. Betty
Holder's Address : 620 SOUTH BOLTON ST APT A ,JACKSONVILLE,TX 75766
Bank Address : 6825 Broadway Tyler Texas 75703.

http://www.thehighroad.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=183427&stc=1&d=1367261104
http://www.thehighroad.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=183428&stc=1&d=1367261104
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http://www.thehighroad.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=183430&stc=1&d=1367261104

Whyareyoucurious
April 29, 2013, 03:57 PM
http://www.thehighroad.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=183431&stc=1&d=1367261807
http://www.thehighroad.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=183432&stc=1&d=1367261807

Whyareyoucurious
April 30, 2013, 09:44 AM
Opened
Opened 29-Apr-13 at 23:58:29pm (UTC -5:00) - 10hours5mins31secs after sending
Location Lagos, Nigeria (86% likelihood)
Opened on 41.206.11.14.vgccl.net (41.206.11.14:10237)
Language of recipient's PC: en-US (English/United States), en;q=0.8 (English)
Browser used by recipient: Moz/5.0 (WinNT 6.1; WOW64) AppleWebKit/537.11 (KHTML, like Gecko) Chrome/23.0.1271.97 Safari/537.11
Last log No more activity after 29-Apr-13 at 23:59:14pm (UTC -5:00) - Log data indicates email was read for at least 45secs (approx.)

Summary - as at 30-Apr-13 at 07:42:09am (UTC -5:00) - 17hours49mins11secs after sending

Whyareyoucurious
May 1, 2013, 07:15 PM
Tessa Debysingh
512 Earls Court
Angleton, Tx 77515

Rubber_Duck
June 2, 2013, 03:47 PM
That's the most fake CAC I've ever seen. I think I could do better with MS Paint! LOL. I hope they get this clown.

iflyem1
June 3, 2013, 01:42 AM
Who sends a picture of his military ID with all his info on it then blurs his last name on his uniform in the other pictures he sends. That's a little suspicious to me!

ShootingTargets7.com
August 3, 2013, 11:42 PM
That is my old division... contact the 511th MP company I bet ya they can find this clown.
I'd like to find him myself and rip that patch off of his ass!

Scammer puke.

Maj Dad
August 4, 2013, 01:50 PM
Notice the name on the ACU nametapes is blurred out but U.S. Army is plainly visible. The one of the green jacket is not legible and gets worse if you enlarge it, but it does not look to be either "Andrade" or "Betty". I would guess the pics are lifted from somewhere on the net, and aren't associated with the soldier shown.

Sgt.Murtaugh
February 26, 2014, 05:43 PM
I once came across this article on Gunsamerica and have bookmarked it for reference. I buy lots of guns online and it has been a good resource to keep me reminded of things to do to avoid ******bag scammers.

http://www.gunsamerica.com/blog/internet-scammer-paul-webster-caught-anti-fraud-tips-from-gunsamerica/

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