June 19, 2012, 11:13 AM
What is the difference (if any) between these two cartridges?
I have read brass for both can be fabricated from .223 brass - how is this accomplished??
June 19, 2012, 11:31 AM
how is this accomplished??
By resizing a 223 case with a die so that the neck and mouth of the case becomes .308.
June 19, 2012, 11:43 AM
Nominally, 300 Blackout and 300 Whisper are the same but 300 Blackout has been accepted by SAAMI and has standard dimensions. 300 Whisper is a proprietary design and folks wanting to get around the royalties officially call it something different and change the dimensions a little.
300 Blackout is shorter than 223 Remington. While you could expand the 22 caliber neck of the 223 Remington case, it works better/easier to cut the neck off at the shoulder and then begin the case forming/trimming process. Or, run the 223 cases in a trim die which will for the 30 caliber neck. Then cut the case off at the top of the trim die.
The brass in the 22 caliber neck of the 223 Remington is not needed for 300 Blackout. No sense trying to make it 30 caliber.
In theroy, you could make 300 Blackout cases out of 221 Remington Fireball cases. then you would have to expand the neck to 30 caliber. It would be best to do this in two or three steps and not all at once. Annealing the necks might also be desirable. Still, at the cost of 221 Rem Fireball cases, the 223 Remington option is more cost efficient.
June 22, 2012, 10:52 AM
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June 22, 2012, 11:15 AM
I've been shooting the 300 Whisper for about 15 years, and I ONLY use 221 Fireball cases. The neck diameter of my chamber is a bit tight, and neck uniformity is critical on some of the better chambers. Shooting sub MOA (5 shot) groups at 200 yards (suppressed) is easy.
I have no problems using 221 Fireball cases. The 223 brass is of course cheaper, but reloading them is a pain. (Sometimes the 223 cases need to be neck turned.)
June 22, 2012, 11:26 AM
Factory ammunition is pretty cheap now:
June 22, 2012, 12:12 PM
That's a really good price and Remington brass is generally good to reload. With subsonic loads how is the brass life??
June 22, 2012, 12:22 PM
There are people who sell cases for 10 cents each.
Probably good for 10 loadings.