Need a spring for Italian .36 cal revolver.


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Jim, West PA
June 20, 2012, 04:57 PM
I found the spring i need at Numeric.
Looks like the "Trigger and Bolt" spring for a Pietta 1851 Navy will fit my needs.It's a dual two legged spring that works both the trigger and the pawl.
Numeric has 'em for $11 but DANG, they want over $6 shipping !!!:banghead:
I'm reachin for the off chance that someone may have one or know of a better source for one ?

Here's what it looks like.
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Hammerdown77
June 20, 2012, 05:08 PM
Hate to tell ya, but that's not as bad as other places wanting $11 to ship a small part like that.

Might check Brownells, they have special "lightweight" shipping fees, but I think it's still $5 or so.

Or just order several of them at once, along with some other stuff, since you may need more for other guns, or this one when it weakens or breaks.

Jim, West PA
June 20, 2012, 05:25 PM
Sound advice Hammerdown.Havin a few on hand would indeed be a good idea.
Allthough, i don't know for sure if it will even fit. And from past experience, Numeric can be knucklheads to deal with sometimes.
Hadn't thot o' Brownell's havin one.I'll give 'em a call.............Nope, they don't have 'em.
Thanx

Hammerdown77
June 20, 2012, 05:46 PM
Try Dixie Gunworks. You can throw some other stuff in with your order to make it worth the shipping (like lead balls, lubed wads, mutton tallow, etc.)

Jaymo
June 20, 2012, 07:32 PM
VTI Gunparts has them for $6.50 each.

arcticap
June 21, 2012, 04:17 AM
Smokin'Joe shows how make a cylinder bolt spring in this thread:

http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=623759

Jim, West PA
June 21, 2012, 08:20 AM
Try Dixie Gunworks. You can throw some other stuff in with your order to make it worth the shipping (like lead balls, lubed wads, mutton tallow, etc.)

Thanx HD, i did find 'em there fer $3.50.
I ordered 2 and later last night got an e-mail sayin order canceled.
I spose Dixie don't do back orders.
Thanx for the heads up also.
I'll keep watchin..in fact..i'll go make a wish list o' other .36 things and when the springs are in i'll make the order.

Jim, West PA
June 21, 2012, 08:22 AM
VTI Gunparts has them for $6.50 each.

Thanx Jaymo,i'll go there if Dixie don't get 'em in in due time.
Heck, i'm gonna go there now anyhow and see what else they have that i 'need' :D

Jim, West PA
June 21, 2012, 08:24 AM
Smokin'Joe shows how make a cylinder bolt spring in this thread:

Thanx Steve. I know i have some spring steel flat stock 'round here somewheres but i jist gotta find it.Tho, that involes more than just shapin it and insertin' it.
'preciate the vid.That is a clever idea usin a safety pin like that. My first initial idea was to use a mousetrap spring.
I spose they may be far too thick tho.

Shultzhaus
June 21, 2012, 08:39 AM
Both VTI and Dixie have full sets of springs. I couldn't get the spring I needed individually so I ordered the set, and got the one I needed plus all the others in that revolver. May pay to have all of them on hand. I ended up getting one set for Colts and one for Rems. Cabela's did have full sets of internal parts, like hammers, triggers, Etc. Good to have also.

Jim, West PA
June 21, 2012, 09:02 AM
Thank you Shultzhaus,
The problem i have tho is that i/we have no clue who makes the gun i have. I would love to order extra parts to have on hand but i jist don't know which ones to buy.
Once i positively id this pistola i will certainly get extra parts for 'er.

1911Tuner
June 21, 2012, 09:08 AM
It's a dual two legged spring that works both the trigger and the pawl.

Uh, no. It operates the trigger and stop bolt. The pawl...or "hand" as it's more commonly known...needs a different spring. In the originals, it was a tiny, flat, fragile affair that broke a lot.

Jim, West PA
June 21, 2012, 09:18 AM
Uh, ok.

sltm1
June 21, 2012, 10:39 AM
Use (bend appropriately), use guitar wire.

kBob
June 21, 2012, 11:42 AM
Jim,

If it is the hand spring ( the hand is the part conected to the hammer that moves the cylinder) and not the trigger and bot spring ( both the trigger and bolt ride on seperate screws in the colt frame) you might look around for a THR thread on replacing the hand spring. I seem to recall some one cut a common bobbie pin to fit and it worked and there is also the techneque of doing away with it entirely by driling and tapping a hole so as to place a spiral spring against it.

Would not be at all surprised if one could even drill a small hole in the hand through the spring slt and fit a section of safety pin in.

Un known eye-talian revolvers can be fun. WHen I first got Das Klunker ( a brass frame .44 with octagonal barrel) I was happy as I immediately figured out what parts needed replacing......unfortunately nothing fit right and it took me a while to get it going again. Dispite being ugly and different it is now my favorite BP revolver and likely to be so for a bit as it has the most of my blood, sweat, tears and curse words in it.

I plan to ask the folks that I meantioned held the gun I turned down monday to call the owner (it is a consignment piece) and ask if he will back down the price about $30 in which case I may well soon be back in the same boat as soon as something breaks.

-kBob

Hammerdown77
June 21, 2012, 12:11 PM
Here's what it looks like.
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According to this picture, it's NOT a hand spring....

Jim, West PA
June 21, 2012, 12:22 PM
Use (bend appropriately), use guitar wire.

Now there's an idea sltm1
I got plenty old guitar strings :D

Jim, West PA
June 21, 2012, 12:36 PM
Jim,

If it is the hand spring ( the hand is the part conected to the hammer that moves the cylinder) and not the trigger and bot spring ( both the trigger and bolt ride on seperate screws in the colt frame) you might look around for a THR thread on replacing the hand spring. I seem to recall some one cut a common bobbie pin to fit and it worked and there is also the techneque of doing away with it entirely by driling and tapping a hole so as to place a spiral spring against it.

Would not be at all surprised if one could even drill a small hole in the hand through the spring slt and fit a section of safety pin in.

Un known eye-talian revolvers can be fun. WHen I first got Das Klunker ( a brass frame .44 with octagonal barrel) I was happy as I immediately figured out what parts needed replacing......unfortunately nothing fit right and it took me a while to get it going again. Dispite being ugly and different it is now my favorite BP revolver and likely to be so for a bit as it has the most of my blood, sweat, tears and curse words in it.

I plan to ask the folks that I meantioned held the gun I turned down monday to call the owner (it is a consignment piece) and ask if he will back down the price about $30 in which case I may well soon be back in the same boat as soon as something breaks.

-kBob

Tuner is correct kBob, i miss represented it.It indeed is the spring that works with the trigger and cylinder stop.
The pawl or hand operates the turning of the cylinder.
"Das Klunker" ..i like that :D
I went into this one knowin it would become a pet project and also an education for me.It will indeed take some time, sweat and 'lessons', but i'm confident that i can make 'er a smooth shooter that Janet,( my wife), will enjoy.
( 1st thing i need to do is ship all my broken Brownell's screw driver bits off for replacement)
For $100 OTD i couldn't pass 'er up.
Other than the broke trigger/stop spring and HORRENDOUS trigger she's actualy in very good shape.
I plant to eventualy give 'er a beautiful old worn look brownin' to go along with that brass and case hardenin'.
I know that if/when i encounter another old no name "eye-talian" at the right price i will indeed jump on it jist to 'play' with.

What is the pistola that you got yer eye on now ?
If it's another no name i'm sure you can find something wrong with it to haggle the price over lol.

Jim, West PA
June 21, 2012, 12:38 PM
According to this picture, it's NOT a hand spring....
Correct Hd, it's the trigger/stop spring.
Mmm.. i best git to learnin my terminology so's not to create any more confusion in the future.
Sorry fells.

kBob
June 21, 2012, 02:55 PM
Jim,

I am looking at a no name Italian (regular and BP/PN proofs) with a roman numeral date that has No othe markings than "Italy FIE" on it in .36. The caliber is not marked on it and it was marked as a .32. When I turned it down I had just rolled a .323 ball down the barrel with plenty of windage. They then changed the tag to .36 caliber. The main problem was that out the door was $159 which is too close to the $184 for a new .44 of some flavor or another at .

I will know shortly if I will have play money to spend on it next week as I have a bid out on something else at the moment. Still I can not see more than $125 out the door on the .36. It seems tight and functional at the moment but that can quickly change. My first BP revolver a new .44 Brasser 1851ish broke the trigger/bolt stop spring on the third cylinder full and was thus down for a bit. I now have a spare somewhere about....I think....maybe

-kBob

J-Bar
June 21, 2012, 07:38 PM
Geez, save yourself some agony. Flat springs break.

Get a wire trigger/bolt spring from Wolff Springs. You can buy one, or a three-pack.

http://www.gunsprings.com/Revolvers/COLT/SINGLE%20ACTION%20ARMY%20-%20COWBOY%20ACTIONS/cID3/mID1/dID96

Scroll down to Sear/Bolt springs.

You might have to tweak it a bit, but I doubt that it will be a big deal. It ain't much to risk.

Jim, West PA
June 21, 2012, 08:55 PM
Jim,

I am looking at a no name Italian (regular and BP/PN proofs) with a roman numeral date that has No othe markings than "Italy FIE" on it in .36. The caliber is not marked on it and it was marked as a .32. When I turned it down I had just rolled a .323 ball down the barrel with plenty of windage. They then changed the tag to .36 caliber. The main problem was that out the door was $159 which is too close to the $184 for a new .44 of some flavor or another at .

I will know shortly if I will have play money to spend on it next week as I have a bid out on something else at the moment. Still I can not see more than $125 out the door on the .36. It seems tight and functional at the moment but that can quickly change. My first BP revolver a new .44 Brasser 1851ish broke the trigger/bolt stop spring on the third cylinder full and was thus down for a bit. I now have a spare somewhere about....I think....maybe

-kBob


Sounds jist like the one we jist bot Bob.
I think i'd start the hagglin with a fresh crisp Benjamin in my hand and settle on $125 OTD.
Use the " you and i both know that the trigger/stop spring on this thing is gonna break as soon as i start shootin it " line.
I've learned the past two days that that seems to be the norm with these no name Italians.

I'm also beginin to realize the truth behind the "but that can quickly change "
scenario too.
I'm startin to think that when i git our no name squared away i'm gonna chock it up as a learnin' and put it on our table at the next gun show and use that money on somethin' reliable like a Pietta.

Jim, West PA
June 21, 2012, 09:00 PM
Geez, save yourself some agony. Flat springs break.

Get a wire trigger/bolt spring from Wolff Springs. You can buy one, or a three-pack.

http://www.gunsprings.com/Revolvers/...ID3/mID1/dID96

Scroll down to Sear/Bolt springs.

You might have to tweak it a bit, but I doubt that it will be a big deal. It ain't much to risk.

WOW, thanx J-Bar.
That wire one looks like a winner to me.
I'm not sure which to go with tho for this no name Itaila.
Any suggestion ?

J-Bar
June 21, 2012, 09:11 PM
I think 32294 is your best bet.

Better yet, call them and get their opinion. Nice folks.

You may have to do some filing and bending, but I really think Wolff Springs are terrific.

With an old gun like yours the wire spring is going to be more adaptable than a flat spring.

kBob
June 22, 2012, 10:24 AM
Well I need not worry over the no name .36 locally for I won the auction for a no name .31 on GB yesterday and so have no more play money this month. Spouse took it well and notes that I enjoy tinkering and shooting and even cleaning as much as she loves her sport.

Once I get the gun I will this time try to take some before and after pictures and actually post them.

-kBob

Jim, West PA
June 22, 2012, 10:43 AM
Good deal Bob.
Can't wait to see it.
Does the spouse' "sport" make smoke ?
Or fire ?
Or go bang ?

kBob
June 22, 2012, 02:30 PM
No it winnies and makes fertilizer and steps on my feet. But it does occassionally win a blue ribbon. Quarter horse, buckskin, dun factors, mare.
However as she spent as much on Clinton Anderson horsie education stuff this year she is understanding.

She was interested in modern shooting when we were younger and did shoot my first BP revolover if I loaded it for her, She tends more towards Sig 220 s and HK P7s than to 1851 Colts though. She took Massad Ayoob's LFI1 handgun defensive class with me some years ago and she used to delight in shooting for supper with unsuspecting college boys at our local public range. In those days she could hit a galln milk jug at 100 yards with a 2 inch snub nose .38 Special most of the time with her first shot.

She is also crambiderous but as she is right eye domenant shoots mostly right handed especially with long guns.

I have been unable to interest her in mounted Cowboy action shooting.

The horse and the kids' pony are szeophrinic about my shooting, some days they run up to the fence to see what all the shooting is about and stand around watching and on other days they scream and run around like TEOTWAWKI. My daughter is currenty at Pony Day Camp and I must go fetch her and the pony shortly....if I leave early there is a gunshop I have not visited this quarter only a little out of the way so bye-bye.

-kBob

Jim, West PA
June 22, 2012, 03:42 PM
You guys sound very much like us Bob.
Allways havin too much fun !!!:D
My mind imediately went to mounted shootin but i see that's a no go fer her...for now ;)
I love her choice in autos. Carry the 220 myself.Maybe she could git into it with her Sig or HK and show 'em how it's done with real bullets instead o' sparks lol

Had i the funds, i'd build Janet a barn and buy her a horse in a Heart beat.

kBob
June 25, 2012, 03:25 PM
It came. It does have the overstamped PR.

It is a .31 Baby Dragoon 1849 with six inch barrel and loading lever.

As per advertismant it functioned intermitantly. Now it functions pretty good though I suspect one rachet was cut a bit short as it does not quite lock up on one chamber unless yu jerk the hammer back hard. Guess I will make that my designated safety chamber so no bad. Might either pull the nipple on that one or install something noticably different as a reminder.

I will try to shoot it tomorrow and start my own thread with picktures.

As it was "broken" and not working right when I got it and as it might well be of the same manufacture as The Klunker and it is small I have christened it The Kinder Klunker (pronounced like in Kindergarten for those with even less German than I)

-kBob
Former Member of the Kings Privalaged Shooting Organization of Neu Ulm 1870
whose members were NOT responsable for my mangling of the German Language

kBob
June 26, 2012, 11:50 AM
Sorry no pics today as Deby is visiting.....just spent two hours cleaning up things that were in contact with the soaked carpet IN MY GUN CLOSET! The safes are OK but some old bolt action military stuf stored with th bolts locked in the safes but leaning in the cornors now have some rust on the butplates and one has some "dark wood" at the butt plate.

No BP stuff damaged though.

We did and even do need the rain'..... but outside please!

-kBob

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