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Sparky123
June 21, 2012, 08:53 PM
Hi, all - new here. On the hunt for a new rifle. Must be short LOP (12.5 - 12.75), stainless and light. That rules out Tika (14 LOP) and I can't afford a NULA. I've come down to Ruger Hawkeye Compact in .308. My first choice was 7mm-08, but backordered until who knows when. Next contender is a NIB Rem 700 LSS Mountain in 7mm-08. Third contender is Lady Hunter custom ordered with stainless barrel, which would mean wait time again for special build. Bear season opens Sept. 5 and I want to have time to get dialed in on it and break bad shouldering habits from trying to use a rifle that was too big for me, so I've got to make the decision ASAP. Seems every rifle I've considered is unavailable currently. Need to jump fast on any of the ones I listed above.

I like the Hawkeye but I'm a bit leary of the muzzle blast on 16.5" barrel. The LSS has 22" barrel, but I'd have to have the stock cut down an inch, no big deal. Is that longer barrel better or is the maneuverability of the Hawkeye Compact the better choice? The LSS will probably come in about 1 pound heavier all dressed.

Any other suggestions? I also do like Marlin XS7Y, but doesn't come in stainless, so still working on husband regarding that issue. He insists on stainless barrel and preferably 7mm-08, but other than that, whatever I like and try to keep it under $1,000 all together, with spending up to $400 on scope by using some gift cards for Cabela's.

Sorry to be so long-winded. I've been reading the forums here and debates around lightweight rifles. Several have mentioned the Compact favorably. Any negatives?

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meanmrmustard
June 21, 2012, 08:59 PM
May I suggest Ruger M77 Mk II Compact in .260 Rem? My step mom is of petite stature, and this rifle works outstanding for her, and the calibers recoil is on par with a light 30-30.

Kachok
June 21, 2012, 09:01 PM
Yeah Ruger is on backorder until the turn of the century and I would never advise anyone to buy any Remington product, I wasted way too much money on them. You might check out this http://www.browning.com/products/catalog/firearms/detail.asp?fid=023B&cid=035&tid=215&bg=x I consider the Browning to be better then either the Remington or Ruger rifles and that X-Bolt micro hunter should fit you pretty well.

Sparky123
June 21, 2012, 09:04 PM
The Hawkeye Compact is the updated Ruger M77 Mk II Compact, but .308 is the only caliber I've been able to find it in other than .223, and I want to kill a bear, not piss it off - LOL. Otherwise, .260 would be my next choice after 7mm-08. The Micro Hunter (or whatever they're calling it now) X-Bolt doesn't come in stainless and is impossible to find in anything but .243, although I think it does also come in 7mm-08 if I can find it online.

Oh, forgot to add, don't bother with advice on which one shoulders best, because no one in the tri-state area I've been searching in has anything in stock for a youth or compact rifle, except the Savage non-accutrigger youth model, and I didn't care for it. I want a good quality rifle, not bottom of the line, it'll do until they grow into a full size rifle, because I'm not growing other than rounder.

cfullgraf
June 21, 2012, 09:11 PM
Shortening a stock is not a big thing. Most reputable gunsmiths should be able to do it well with their eyes closed.

So, do not necessarily limit yourself to short rifles. You may find just the thing and just need to have the stock fitted.

I am not necessarily recommending the Remington 700 but i am happy with mine. But, all three, well one is an XR-100, have new triggers and I have worked on the stocks to even or remove pressure on the barrel. One was my first attempt at glass bedding, which worked well, but added time and expense to the rifle.

Kachok
June 21, 2012, 09:14 PM
If stainless is the key issue I would have to get a Tikka and have the stock trimmed, the T3 stainless is a hell of a rifle, light as can be and accurate far beyond what I have seen from other featherweight rifles, and more refined then rifles costing twice as much.
The 7mm-08 is a fantastic cartrage for delivering alot of punch with minimal recoil, second only to the mid ranged 6.5s (6.5x55, 260 rem, 6.5 Creedmore and 6.5x47) in that regard.

Sparky123
June 21, 2012, 09:17 PM
Has anyone trimmed down a synthetic stock? How did it work out? They don't make any aftermarket stock for Tika that I'm aware of, and a lot of gunsmiths won't cut down a laminate, although I did find one guy a few towns over. Just wondering how much it messes with balance of gun and if it looks like doggie-doo cutting down that plastic stock.

Kachok
June 21, 2012, 09:28 PM
I don't think cutting down a stock 1 1/2" is going to throw off the ballance any noticeable amount given that identical action work with 22"-26" barrels, and very little of the weight is in the aft end anyway, though never cut down one myself. I am a small guy (5'5") and my factory Tikka fits me perfectly, I thought the LOP would be long for me too but it fit like a glove. It might be the nice eye relief on my Nikon that prevents it from feeling long since I don't have to strain my neck forward to get full light like with some rifles.

blarby
June 21, 2012, 09:39 PM
Just went through this with my wife.

The 7mm-08 scout is a great rifle. Trying to find the new style ruger compact in SS was mission impossible.

She absolutely loves it.

You can see our search here :

http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=657692&highlight=wife

What She ended up with is the bottom rifle in the attached pic, which is a comparison of her rifle in 7mm-08, and my ruger target in .308

She has a loopy scout 2.5 by 30 on it now, and it shoots real good.

Sparky123
June 21, 2012, 10:02 PM
I considered the Scout, too, but I believe they're discontinued. You were lucky to find one. They have the Gunsite Scout now, but I don't like that mag that hangs down and it's only available in .308.

cfullgraf
June 21, 2012, 10:14 PM
Has anyone trimmed down a synthetic stock? How did it work out? They don't make any aftermarket stock for Tika that I'm aware of, and a lot of gunsmiths won't cut down a laminate, although I did find one guy a few towns over. Just wondering how much it messes with balance of gun and if it looks like doggie-doo cutting down that plastic stock.

A synthetic stock might be difficult to shorten, the butt stock area might be hollow.

But I would think a laminate stock would be the same as a regular wood stock, just a bunch of layers of material glued together before the stock is cut and shaped.

Sparky123
June 21, 2012, 10:16 PM
Oops, you're right, Chuck. I mistyped there. I was referring to they wouldn't cut down the synthetic because it's hollow. Yes, the laminate shouldn't be a problem to cut down. Unfortunately, most stainless barreled guns come with synthetic stocks.

meanmrmustard
June 21, 2012, 10:20 PM
The Hawkeye Compact is the updated Ruger M77 Mk II Compact, but .308 is the only caliber I've been able to find it in other than .223, and I want to kill a bear, not piss it off - LOL. Otherwise, .260 would be my next choice after 7mm-08. The Micro Hunter (or whatever they're calling it now) X-Bolt doesn't come in stainless and is impossible to find in anything but .243, although I think it does also come in 7mm-08 if I can find it online.

Oh, forgot to add, don't bother with advice on which one shoulders best, because no one in the tri-state area I've been searching in has anything in stock for a youth or compact rifle, except the Savage non-accutrigger youth model, and I didn't care for it. I want a good quality rifle, not bottom of the line, it'll do until they grow into a full size rifle, because I'm not growing other than rounder.
I wouldn't discount the 140 gr Sierra Game King. Wait...what the hell kinda bears are you hunting?!?!?!

Kachok
June 21, 2012, 10:37 PM
Game Kings are great, but I only use them on thin skined game since they expand so quickly, and fragment a good portion of their weight. Accubonds are great for heavier game.

ColtPythonElite
June 21, 2012, 10:46 PM
Remington Model 7

Jlr2267
June 21, 2012, 11:34 PM
Marlin 336 in 35 Rem

Marlin 1894 in 44 Mag

Both can be had in stainless, both can be found under $600. Ideally, you'd find a 2008 or older model. If you do find one pre-2008, it will only increase in value, unlike any synthetic stocked gun.

RPRNY
June 21, 2012, 11:49 PM
http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=292319249

River Hawkeye Compact .260 NIB

Not mine nor to do with me. A fine choice though.

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=292114770

Used. Stainless. Laminate. Less money. Also not mine and an excellent choice.

Craigman
June 22, 2012, 12:20 AM
This one look really nice too;)

http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=658416

dprice3844444
June 22, 2012, 12:34 AM
check on youth models

dprice3844444
June 22, 2012, 12:36 AM
http://gundata.org/details/gun/302/rifles/ruger-m77-hawkeye-laminate-compact/

Sheepdog1968
June 22, 2012, 02:47 AM
Synthetic stocks aren't that hard to have cut down. I've had it done several times on shotguns. The stocks were hollow as well. The gunsmith cut the stock then cut a piece of aluminum to bolt to the stock and then cut holes in the aluminum plate to bolt the recoil pad. I think it cost like $100.

meanmrmustard
June 22, 2012, 07:13 AM
Game Kings are great, but I only use them on thin skined game since they expand so quickly, and fragment a good portion of their weight. Accubonds are great for heavier game.
Then they'd be ideal for black bear. Heck, there isnt a whole lot other than big bore critters that i wouldnt shoot with a 55 gr TSX .223, but thats me. But, the OP hasn't stated the species being hunted. Otherwise, .260 Rem would not be my choice for the larger bears available. .308 wouldn't be on my list either, but I'm a Missouri boy who don't hunt no bears! Best believe I'd be packing something a little more persuasive.

Sparky123
June 22, 2012, 07:33 AM
Will be hunting black bear in uppermost northwest Wisconsin, 400 pound range, I'd say 30 - 50 yards, then whitetail in November. Thick brush mostly, although for deer I may sit on the field, which could be a 200 yard shot.

Skyshot
June 22, 2012, 08:03 AM
Have you looked at the Savage model 11 lightweight hunter. I have a friend who just bought one in a 6.5 creedmore. It's one sweet rifle.

Haxby
June 22, 2012, 02:29 PM
Remington, Savage, Weatherby Vanguard, are all available in compact or youth models in carbon steel, and in full size stainless models.
You could buy 2 rifles, swap stocks, sell the full size stock with the blued barrel, keep the short stock with the stainless.

meanmrmustard
June 22, 2012, 08:18 PM
Will be hunting black bear in uppermost northwest Wisconsin, 400 pound range, I'd say 30 - 50 yards, then whitetail in November. Thick brush mostly, although for deer I may sit on the field, which could be a 200 yard shot.
Then any caliber listed here is going to work great.
I think the Savage Lady Hunter may be ideal.

longrange308
June 23, 2012, 09:54 AM
Have you considered an AR type configuration in 7mm-08 or 308Win, you could find one with a collapsible stock then just mount a scope. If thats legal in Wisconsin, I don't know their gun laws. DPMS may have what you need, but I don't know for sure.

jmr40
June 23, 2012, 10:03 AM
Has anyone trimmed down a synthetic stock? How did it work out? They don't make any aftermarket stock for Tika that I'm aware of, and a lot of gunsmiths won't cut down a laminate, although I did find one guy a few towns over. Just wondering how much it messes with balance of gun and if it looks like doggie-doo cutting down that plastic stock.


Bell & Carlson makes aftermarket Tikka stocks. A synthetic can be cut shorter to fit your needs. It requires a little different set of skills to reattach the pad since it is not woodworking, but can be done.

Sparky123
June 26, 2012, 03:29 PM
Negotiating on a used 7mm-08 M77 Compact I found. If that falls through, I'm also still considering a .308 M77 Mark II Compact found on Gun Broker for a good price, as well as a Ruger Gunsite Scout or a Savage Lightweight Hunter. Went back and once again shouldered the Lady Hunter and the Savage Trophy Hunter Youth, but they just didn't give me that "This is it" feel. Choices, choices - at least I've got some now that I'm pretty happy with. Who can compare Gunsite to Compact? Is that extra pound going to be that big of a deal if I sling it? I know a pound is a pound, but then again it should absorb the recoil better in .308. Anyone have experience with the Lightweight Hunter? I liked the feel of it better than the Lady Hunter.

CMC
June 26, 2012, 03:57 PM
Look at the Browning Micro xbolt youth, Savage youth and Remington 700 youth, they are all available in 243, 7 mm-08 and 308 and all of them are lightweight and have a shorter stock.
One of my grandsons has a savage and another a remingtonboth in 243 and both are outstanding.

Sparky123
June 26, 2012, 04:13 PM
Thanks, CMC, but I have checked out those rifles and have narrowed it down as described. The Savage and Rem 700 youths, even with shorter LOP just doesn't feel/fit well, and I like the shorter overall length of the models I listed. The Browning youth models are the highest priced of all but Kimber (I wasn't planning to spend that much), and I wasn't thrilled with the bolt action on our A-bolt, although I've heard the X-bolt is an improvement. Still, again, I like the compact models with the shorter barrels better overall.

Andrew Wyatt
June 26, 2012, 04:28 PM
get her a taurus circuit judge, because ladies can only shoot revolvers. ;)

Skyshot
June 26, 2012, 06:20 PM
Negotiating on a used 7mm-08 M77 Compact I found. If that falls through, I'm also still considering a .308 M77 Mark II Compact found on Gun Broker for a good price, as well as a Ruger Gunsite Scout or a Savage Lightweight Hunter. Went back and once again shouldered the Lady Hunter and the Savage Trophy Hunter Youth, but they just didn't give me that "This is it" feel. Choices, choices - at least I've got some now that I'm pretty happy with. Who can compare Gunsite to Compact? Is that extra pound going to be that big of a deal if I sling it? I know a pound is a pound, but then again it should absorb the recoil better in .308. Anyone have experience with the Lightweight Hunter? I liked the feel of it better than the Lady Hunter.
I did get to shoot the Savage 11 lightweight hunter in 6.5 Creedmore and I was very impressed with the rifle. It's light weight and very well balanced and we did get some sub moa groups with factory ammo. Recoil was light ,however I can not be sure how recoil levels would be stepping up to a 7mm08 or .308. The rifle is around 5 lbs. and I know that the Stevens model 200 I have in .308 is 6 lbs. and it has a stout recoil.

H2oPumper
June 26, 2012, 11:23 PM
I picked up a Marlin XS7Y for my wife in a 7mm-08. It's a nice rifle along side my 280 Ruger Hawkeye and two Marlin XL7's I have a soft spot for Marlin since I grew up shooting a Marlin 22 and the X guns are virtual twins to the 22, except for the bolt length and recoil, as far as feel. They do all shoot quite well and I'm really liking the 7mm caliber throughout. One option you might have would be to get a regular length XS7 - 7mm-08 in stainless and watch the boards and auction sites for someone selling a youth stock since you have some time before the season hits. I suspect you could have the the standard Marlin stock cut down otherwise. I cannot say for certain since I have not taken the pad off of any of my Marlins to see if that was possible. Another option would be to look at Boyd's gun stocks. From some of the photos I've seen of their wood stocks, they really make the Marlin look classy.

Sparky123
July 29, 2012, 01:33 PM
Hi, again. I just wanted to say thank you to everyone for their advice and opinions. I did end up getting that Ruger 77 Mark II in 7mm-08. In hindsight, the .308 was the better deal for price/condition, as the stock on this one is in rougher shape than anticipated, but I'm thinking I may either try to refinish it or order a new Boyd's stock for it after this hunting season (I really love that cinnamon/brown color one they have). Such is the chance you take buying sight unseen other than photos. Thankfully, the bolt and barrel are in beautiful condition and the gun shoots true.

I have found I'm really happy with this rifle. The size and weight are great. I have no issues with cheek weld and seeing through my scope without having to add an aftermarket cheek riser. The shorter LOP and stock dimensions for this rifle seems to have solved that To any other members looking for a rifle for their child/wife/shorter stature individual, I can happily recommend this rifle to them, whenever Ruger gets them back out into the market again (newer model being Ruger Hawkeye Compact). The 7mm-08 is a great all around cartridge with minimal recoil even in such a short-barreled and light rifle.

While it is an extremely loud little gun, there is much less recoil than I expected. I think the Browning A-Bolt had a harder kick to it. Anyway, thanks again, everyone. I'm now sighted in and looking forward to bear season coming up in about 5 weeks.

blarby
July 30, 2012, 04:57 AM
Glad that you picked the perfect flavor of koolaid.

Enjoy it !

Sparky123
September 10, 2012, 10:48 AM
Hi, everyone. Rather than starting a new thread, I'm just adding to this one with pics of the 300 pound sow I took after sitting 2 hours in the rain. I think the hubby was more excited than I was. He was supposed to be videotaping, but had to get up and take a leak. He no sooner got up and crept down the trail and I had two bears come in. I was patient and waited for this big gal to come out, scaring away the smaller bear that were at the bait pile. Angle of shot, went in behind one shoulder, apparently ricocheted on the opposite shoulder and came out her spine. She just dropped over on her side and that was it, no tracking needed .

How do I add pics? I don't have a static URL to link.

NeuseRvrRat
September 10, 2012, 10:57 AM
click "post reply" at the bottom left of the thread. click the paperclip (attachments) and go from there. the attachment option may not work if the file is too big, in which case you'll have to shrink the image.

easiest thing to do is go ahead and get a photobucket account and use static links to the pics there.

Sparky123
September 10, 2012, 11:06 AM
Link to photos uploaded to Photobucket. http://s1241.photobucket.com/albums/gg511/krbuell/

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