For those who carry 380 ACP...


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CDR_Glock
June 22, 2012, 07:48 AM
What gun?

What ammo? Why that choice?

My gun: P238
Ammo: Buffalo Bore 90 grain +P, because of the higher velocity

My 380 ACP serves primarily as a backup and not a primary.

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bikerdoc
June 22, 2012, 08:00 AM
Bersa 380 CC nickle with Aquila 90 gr jhp.
Sunday go to meeting gun and dress up pocket carry when I cant tote a CZ or 1911 and a 357 snub.

At bad breath distance - 7 to 10 yds scary accurate.

frankmako
June 22, 2012, 08:17 AM
kel tec p3at with any brand fmj ammo.

Omaney
June 22, 2012, 08:45 AM
I have a Bersa Thunder380 and a Ruger LCP. Any FMJ will do. The LCP is with me everywhere allowed.

heeler
June 22, 2012, 09:03 AM
I carry an LCP quite a bit.
For a time I kept a 102 gr. Remington Golden Saber chambered followed by six of the WWB 95 grain flat nose(truncated) fmj's in the magazine.
I have recently shot two boxes of Hornady Critical Defense in it without any problems and now have it fully loaded with these.
What you will find in these 380 threads are an endless array of only fmj for maximum penetration vs hollow points because they sometimes expand and if they dont then they get the same penetration of the fmj.
Or some such.

MedWheeler
June 22, 2012, 09:05 AM
When I carried a .380, it was a Bersa Thunder, which I still own, and keep loaded. It's rare that I carry it now, but it is a great gun. When it roamed the street, it was loaded with Remington-UMC 95-grain FNEBs (basically, a flat-tipped solid round with a partial jacket.) Now, it's loaded with the more readily-available 88-grain JHP by the same maker. If it ever does get fired in defense of life, it will likely be in my home, though it is not my primary HD weapon (it's usually locked in the "hot" safe.)

2wheels
June 22, 2012, 09:09 AM
Sig P238, currently with 95gr. PDX1s. Considering a switch to FMJ for the increased penetration.

It's my deep concealment/backup gun and it shares that duty with my S&W 442, otherwise I'm packing a 9mm or .45.

Orion8472
June 22, 2012, 09:19 AM
I use the Winchester PDX1 right now, but also have Corbon DPX.

EMC45
June 22, 2012, 09:45 AM
KelTec P3AT with Rem FMJs.

The Bushmaster
June 22, 2012, 09:56 AM
Bersa Thunder .380. 95 grain Hornady XTP/HP.

kokapelli
June 22, 2012, 09:57 AM
P238 or TCP both with Winchester fmj truncated bullet.

Since this round consistently penetrates 16" to 18" of ballistic gelatin I see no point in paying more for a little more velocity.

Marlin 45 carbine
June 22, 2012, 09:59 AM
I used to carry a BDA before I came upon a Makarov in 9mm russki chambering.
I load a hot handloaded hp (hornady IIRC) in the chamber the rest of the mag ball ammo.
I've shot both of those and my back-up .32acp beretta enuff into wet cardboard stacked up to know I sure don't want to get hit with any of 'em.
I made some dum-dum type bullets from cast .380 by 'Xing' with a jewelers saw. impressive damage.

huntsman
June 22, 2012, 10:17 AM
BDA- BB and corbon JHP, Remington Express
LCP- corbon JHP, Remington Express

Why?

I don't carry a BUG and the only plastic I tolerate is in a pocket gun.

MachIVshooter
June 22, 2012, 10:19 AM
P3AT with handloaded 102 gr. Golden Sabers

GCBurner
June 22, 2012, 10:34 AM
P3AT with CCI 95gr. FMJ, because they've proven to be 100% reliable in my particular pistol.

Bmont2409
June 22, 2012, 11:01 AM
P 238 with Gold Dots for now.

DanTheFarmer
June 22, 2012, 11:19 AM
I only carry on my property but when I do so with a 380 ACP I use either my Bersa Thunder 380 or 380 CC with either Speer Gold Dots or Federal Hydra-Shok.

Dan

Big_John1961
June 22, 2012, 03:12 PM
I have a SIG P238 & Seecamp LWS380, and I use Gold Dots in both. Never had an issue with either using that ammo.

momano
June 22, 2012, 03:40 PM
Ruger LCP with FMJ ammo

dogrunner
June 22, 2012, 03:52 PM
And another vote for the P3AT & solids......in this case the Win. flat tips.........never a failure!

Texan Scott
June 22, 2012, 04:43 PM
when i till had a 380, i carried fed hydrashock. but, last year my BIL shot a caged hog with an LCP at POINT BLANK RANGE with a pair of hydrashocks, double tap to the skull. NEITHER BULLET PENETRATED THE SKULL. they flattened and made a hideous mess of the scalp, but it was like skipping rocks off a pond. I think if I were to carry a 380 again, i'd want FMJ, just in case the next 300-lb leather-clad thing is an angry biker.

gordy
June 22, 2012, 05:57 PM
I carry a kel-tec 380 with reloads, using hornady 90gr xtp. smoking hot right around 1,000 fps. Works great in my pistol.

khegglie
June 22, 2012, 05:57 PM
P3AT, LCP with laser and any FMJ or Silvertips.

MICHAEL T
June 22, 2012, 05:58 PM
All my 380's loaded with Corbon DPX

Ammo of choice on http://bersatalk.com



Giving free laser's for Bersa Thunder to members in drawings over next moth.

M1key
June 22, 2012, 06:18 PM
Bersa CC

Hornady Critical Defense

best accuracy


M

EHL
June 22, 2012, 06:22 PM
Switch between a P3AT and Walther PPK/S. They are loaded with 102 grain Golden Sabers and Winchester Ranger T's respectively.

browningguy
June 22, 2012, 07:32 PM
A Bersa Thunder two tone and a S&W BG, both with Hornady 90 gr. FTX, but I am going to try the Buffalo Bore.

stratman26
June 22, 2012, 07:53 PM
S&w Bodyguard 380 with hornady critical defense

Taurus 617 CCW
June 22, 2012, 07:59 PM
Ruger LCP with 90 grain Gold Dot HP"s.

76shuvlinoff
June 22, 2012, 08:46 PM
LCP and FMJ, I have not found any (yet) that won't feed fire and eject.

... and this silly little plastic pistol with practically non existent sights seems to put holes right where I point it.

Gotta love that.

smallbore
June 22, 2012, 09:00 PM
When I carry it, a Sig P232 loaded with Hornady Critical Defense.

Pilot
June 23, 2012, 09:10 AM
Beretta M85FS. It is often my summer carry as a primary.

Shear_stress
June 23, 2012, 09:23 AM
LCP and FMJ, I have not found any (yet) that won't feed fire and eject.

... and this silly little plastic pistol with practically non existent sights seems to put holes right where I point it.

Gotta love that.

Ditto. I've really had good luck with this pistol, despite looking far and wide for something "nicer" to replace it.

As for FMJ versus HP, I feel that, when it comes to the .380 you can have penetration or you can have expansion, but you can't have both.

357 Terms
June 23, 2012, 09:47 AM
I bought my ex a 238 when they first came out. ( she got it in the divorce, reliability issues keep me from missing either)

Anyway, I was shocked at how little penetration I got with HP's ( specifically Cor-bons 90grn HP's) in wet newsprint.

This was before Hornady came out with the CD line so I never tested them.

I still believe that FMJ is the only way to get a reliable amount of penetration.

Random Discharge
June 23, 2012, 10:12 AM
What sheerstress says: "As for FMJ versus HP, I feel that, when it comes to the .380 you can have penetration or you can have expansion, but you can't have both. "

I only use FMJ 380. Feeds good too.

jim243
June 23, 2012, 10:21 AM
Backup - Bersa Thunder .380. 95 grain Remington HP, super accurate.

Primary - CZ 75 P-01 HP Handloads.


Jim

Hunter125
June 23, 2012, 12:40 PM
How do the Critcal Defense loads penetrate? Wasn't that kind of the point of them? Just curious, that's what my dad carries in an LCP.

DAdams
June 23, 2012, 01:10 PM
Seecamp LWS 380 Winchester Silvertips. 85 gr in a DeSantis Nemesis holster.

almherdfan
June 23, 2012, 01:15 PM
P3AT w/laser loaded with Gold Dots or PDX. I've used Hornady Critical Defense & may do so again in the future.

huntsman
June 23, 2012, 04:24 PM
How do the Critcal Defense loads penetrate? Wasn't that kind of the point of them? Just curious, that's what my dad carries in an LCP.
About 5" through heavy clothing acording to an American Riflemen test

pps
June 23, 2012, 07:02 PM
Hunter125
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How do the Critcal Defense loads penetrate? Wasn't that kind of the point of them? Just curious, that's what my dad carries in an LCP.
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I just tested these in .380 this morning. 10% ballistics gel, 4 layers denim. Without hitting bone, 13.25" With the 4 layers of denim and a 1 1/2' bone embedded 1/2" into the gel....the critical defense literally blows itself apart into worthless fragments and penetrated only 1".... not a typo...1"

I'm uploading a 17min video as we speak, I'll post a link here. Compared Critical Defense to Buffalo Bore 80 grain Barnes bullet at 1223 from my cz83. The Barns went 5" after splitting the bone into 2 pieces.

Hypnogator
June 24, 2012, 01:14 PM
I keep my LCP stoked with Cor-Bon DPXs. Will have to try the Buffalo Bore now that they're loading Barnes bullets, as well. The DPXs give good penetration and outstanding expansion.

If I were going strictly for penetration, I would carry the Winchester flat-point FMJs for the broader meplat. :cool:

clem629
June 24, 2012, 04:55 PM
Kel Tec P3AT Hard chrome slide.
Gold dot.
Why P3AT? It was the most pocketable piece when I bought it. Only carry it when circumstances do not permit a larger primary carry.
I believe gold dot to be the best choice in fuel. :)

smitty704
June 24, 2012, 05:15 PM
Ruger LCP loaded with Hornady CD 95g. My LCP is my BUG for my primary G19 gen 4.

The LCP is a great little pistol. I carry it in my front right pocket in a Bkackhawk! size 1 pocket holster. My LCP is occasionally my primary where I can't carry a larger pistol(work mostly). You can't see the LCP even if you were trying to.

M1key
June 24, 2012, 05:52 PM
How thick is the human skull?

M

loneviking
June 24, 2012, 06:36 PM
Bowning BDA loaded with Buffalo Bore hollowpoints. The BDA is the softest shooting .380 I've found and the specs for the BB ammo were made with a BDA. Fun to shoot and an effective round.

Cokeman
June 25, 2012, 02:03 AM
Kahr P380 with FMJs. I just keep it loaded with what I shoot.

TennJed
June 25, 2012, 02:20 AM
TCP 738
95 gr lead rn with 2.9gr Bullseye

Bill_G
June 25, 2012, 06:13 AM
LCP. first round is Rem 102gr Golden saber followed by all FMJ after that.

bannockburn
June 25, 2012, 07:50 AM
KelTec P3AT with FMJ ammo.

bluethunder1962
June 25, 2012, 07:51 AM
ppks but just when all I have is my pockets to carry.

WRGADog
June 25, 2012, 06:36 PM
Either Hornady Critical Defense, Corbon, or Hydra-Shok

Black Duck Charlie
June 25, 2012, 10:01 PM
Walther PPK/S, because I happen to both like it and I can shoot it accurately enough, with whatever FMJ happens to be least expensive for practice and Winchester "Supreme Elite" PDX1 JHP for carry, because it was available at a comparatively decent price.

Black Duck Charlie
June 25, 2012, 10:08 PM
M1key asked "How thick is the human skull?"
Well, how deep does any bullet have to go to reach a human heart -- or any vital organ? A hint: The average person's body is about 8 to 9 inches deep.

lobo9er
June 25, 2012, 10:15 PM
http://funreviews.net/uploads/1/BG380_thumb.jpg
and currently paired with
http://www.hyattgunstore.com/images/P/main-1654.jpg
Seems to shoot pretty well with gold dots or hornady, mostly gets fed FMJ's that are on sale though. Still havent shot any steel cased stuff.

golden
June 26, 2012, 07:10 AM
I use the REMINGTON 88 grain jhp in my SIG and BERETTA .380's. I buy the 100 round boxes for less than the price of 2 x 20 round NAME BRAND BULLETS. While the REMINGTON load may not expand as well as the hot loads, I can practice and practice and practice with my carry load.

It is also the most reliable feeding jhp load that I have come across. I am going to try some of the other ammo, but they are all harder to find, much more expensive and will have to prove their feed reliability before I carry them.

I want to try both the REMINGTON Golden Sabre and COB BON DPX jhp loads. Both should offer better penetration with reliable expansion. The big question will be the accuracy and feed reliability.

I have had less than 100% with FEDERAL Hydro Shok, which I would have carried if I could get them to feed perfectly in my SIG 232.

Jim

heeler
June 26, 2012, 07:38 AM
Golden all pistols are different but I can say the Golden Sabers was the one and only hollowpoint ammo that would even consistently and reliably feed in my Diamondback 380.
They also work great in my LCP.
I have never tried the Hydra-Shoks.

Orion8472
June 26, 2012, 09:07 AM
The Remington 88gr JHP seems like it could be a good alternative to the "JHP vs. FMJ" debate. A JHP that may not reliably expand, so potentially would penetrate deeper.

What's your thoughts on that?

heeler
June 26, 2012, 09:37 AM
From a lot of tests on gelatin and water jugs i have seen on You Tube a lot of the times these 380 hollowpoint bullets dont expand some of the time so in that case you get the deeper penetration.
When they do you get 8"to 11" it appears.

Orion8472
June 26, 2012, 09:52 AM
Has there been over penetration with .380acp using FMJ?

My problem with FMJ is that there doesn't seem to be much availability for "cutting" like in expanding design projectiles. Does a small hole really prove to "stop"?

Now, I've heard of .22lr rounds being fatal and few if any of them expand [the only ones I've seen "expand" were Velocitors out of a rifle]?

holdencm9
June 26, 2012, 10:17 AM
I use LCP with 90gr Gold Dots. They feed perfectly, have good weight retention, and I have generally seen favorable reviews and videos for them.

0.517" diameter expanded, a bit over 10" penetration (although he does say the gel was calibrated to the "high end of spec."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HTTuXpFChsA

This one shows one test of 10 3/4" penetration and 0.743" (max) diameter expansion. It also shows 16 3/4" penetration with 0.537" max diameter through denim. Not sure how well he calibrated his gel though.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B_MmREJxM_E&feature=watch_response

My thought on penetration vs expansion: 12" is the FBI standard, which is great, but 10+ inches will have to suffice for a pocket gun, as long as you get decent expansion. Everyone always assumes they will hit where they aim and the bullet will be following a perfect trajectory to the heart and then (oh no!) stop short by 1/2" allowing the bad guy to continue the attack.

But to me, it is just as likely that you will miss something vital by a smidge, but still get one petal of the expanded bullet to knick it. . Also if you miss COM but still hit the guy, and hit a shoulder or something, I'd rather have it expand and cause way worse tissue damage (pain) to hopefully stop the attack, than some thru-shot that the BG may not even feel.

Water-Man
June 26, 2012, 10:19 AM
KEL-TEC P3AT w/Buffalo Bore 100gr +P HCFN

huntsman
June 26, 2012, 12:24 PM
Also if you miss COM but still hit the guy, and hit a shoulder or something, I'd rather have it expand and cause way worse tissue damage (pain) to hopefully stop the attack, than some thru-shot that the BG may not even feel.

I'd guess FMJ would do more damage to bone and cause more pain, JHP may have an advantage with tissue but wouldn't have the same energy FMJ has to break or damage bone.

Maddox Se7en
June 26, 2012, 01:28 PM
For about a year I carried a Walther PK380 loaded with Remington Golden Saber, JHP, 102 gr.

I had three reasons I carried this gun/load.

1. The PK380 is lightweight, accurate, easy to conceal, and it has a decock function.

2. It fit into my left-handed Fobus USPc-45 paddle holster (I'm a southpaw, and carried the USPc whenever I could).

3. The 102 gr offered sufficient penetration, and the RemGS bullet provided superior expansion compared the ammunition brands readily available in my area.

Certaindeaf
June 27, 2012, 11:57 AM
A Colt 1908 loaded with hardcast Lee 105 grain SWC's. It'll hit a nickel offhand at fifty feet.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/1b/Colt_Model_1908_Pocket_Hamerless_AdamsGuns_1783.jpg/300px-Colt_Model_1908_Pocket_Hamerless_AdamsGuns_1783.jpg

chg
June 27, 2012, 01:39 PM
Ruger LCP, Wincherster 95gr PDX1, DeSanti Nemosis pocket holster. It's a primary carry gun for summer

I chronographed several factory loads a few monhs back in the LCP. temp 65 degrees, 1st screen 21' from muzzle

Winchester 95gr PDX1 903fps

Hornady 90gr FTX 851FPS

Remington 102gr Golden Saber 832FPS

Could not - still haven't found any Speer Gold Dots to try so no comment on them. I really like them in other calibers.

A friend was present while chronographing these, he was instant on the 7yard distance to 1st screen. We ran his .38 special S&W M36 loaded with Federal 110gr loads over the screens, 802 FPS. Seemed awful slow so we did it again for another 5 rounds, 803 FPS average.

This is a very limited sample - especially with the .38 snubbie but I no longer look down on the .380 acp as inadequate. 2 thousandths of an inch less diameter, 8 grains less bullet weight and 30 fps more impact velocity when comparing the 102gr Rem against the 110gr Fed.

brokeman51
June 27, 2012, 02:56 PM
I use the Ruger 380 LCP any ammo solid and pretty sturdy for such a small gun.

heeler
June 27, 2012, 03:08 PM
Interesting numbers on the chronograph chg.
Having seen several You Tube chrono tests using the LCP it appears the Gold Dots move at about the same speed as those PDX1's.
You will have no issues finding .380 Gold Dots online.
I picked up a box myself at an Academy Sports store just last Friday.

MCgunner
June 27, 2012, 04:15 PM
Hornady Critical Defense ..... Grendel P12

I don't carry it much, but it can come in handy being a little smaller than my 9x19 P11 and a little bigger than my .22 mag NAA Black Widow. The gun isn't all THAT accurate and the trigger really sux, but out to 25 yards, I can make torso hits just fine with it and it is reliable. It carries 11 plus one, too, and is still under 1" thick. The Grendels were a bit ahead of their time. :D

Sapper771
June 28, 2012, 01:00 PM
Kel-Tec P3AT with either Lee 105gr SWC's or WWB 95gr RNFP.

I was surprised that my little Kel-Tec fed the SWC's smoother than RNs or RNFPs.

tim josey
June 28, 2012, 02:03 PM
Kahr P380 with XTP-HP.

jerryd
June 28, 2012, 02:35 PM
Walther PPK with Buffal Bore 95gr golden sabres

TMann
June 28, 2012, 05:00 PM
P3AT. Corbon PDX.

Joistman
June 28, 2012, 10:44 PM
Kahr P380 / Gold Dots

X hunter
June 28, 2012, 11:54 PM
Mustang Plus II or CZ83 both with Hydra-Shok because I've never thought to use anything else.

DonGlock26
June 29, 2012, 03:05 PM
Sig p232 & Ruger LCP

Ammo: Speer GD's or old Win Black Talon.

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foxtail207
June 29, 2012, 03:39 PM
Sig 230 with Federal hydra-shok 90 gr.

7thCavScout
June 29, 2012, 05:20 PM
Ruger LCP with Remington 102gr Golden Saber JHP

rightside
June 29, 2012, 09:34 PM
Sig 232

S.B.
June 29, 2012, 09:50 PM
Just bought another NIB Interarms PPK in .380 auto. Have had several of these and everyone worked as planned Accuracy and reliability next to none! I'll pack it with Winchester Silver Tips. Cause it's made of stainless steel.
Steve

WRGADog
June 30, 2012, 08:38 PM
With Corbon 90 grain JHP, 1050 fps. Powerful round for 380 and gun is accurate, reliable, light weight, and very easy to conceal.

Harvey
June 30, 2012, 08:48 PM
Depending upon the evening's clothing, one or the other works just fine.

But if you ask me, the Colt Mustang is probably the finest little mouse-gun ever made with respect to materials, fit and finish. Particularly if you're a 1911 worshiper. Same ergonomics, same controls, same single action trigger group ... best if carried cocked and locked.

167311

PS: It would seem, based upon the faculty lounge ballisticians, that a fast hardball is a better choice in the .380 SD round.

Peter M. Eick
July 1, 2012, 11:07 AM
Sig 238 or Colt gov 380 or Beretta 84F with Rem 102 grn golden sabers.

My choice depends on the clothes that I intend to wear and ease that I can properly conceal the gun. Rem 102's work 100% in all the guns and are easy to obtain locally so I avoid the mail order issue when I need fresh stock.

When I go out to more of where I perceive there might be a real risk (mall, dinner etc) I move up to a 9mm PSP or an EMP.

Onward Allusion
July 1, 2012, 11:57 AM
NAA Guardian, Buffalo Bore standard pressure 100gr in the pipe, Fiocchi 95gr in the mag. Same setup (diff gr obviously) as my P-32.

lobo9er
July 3, 2012, 07:49 PM
http://on-target-gun-forums.4665599.n2.nabble.com/file/n5592766/Cobray_Pocket_Pal_03.jpg

here's an interesting gun I saw online. Cobray 22/380. never heard of it or have seen one before.

CZguy
July 3, 2012, 10:55 PM
here's an interesting gun I saw online. Cobray 22/380. never heard of it or have seen one before.

I wonder what the point of that design was?

lobo9er
July 3, 2012, 11:57 PM
interesting concept with the removable cylinder. Not sure it will catch on. got hand it to them for trying something new.

skoro
July 4, 2012, 05:40 PM
What gun?

KelTec P3at

What ammo?

Buffalo Bore 100gr hardcast, Remington Golden Saber, Hornady Critical Defense

masterofchaos
July 4, 2012, 10:01 PM
SIG P232 with Hornady Critical Defense

pleeds
July 5, 2012, 02:52 AM
Sig P238 .380 loaded with 7 rounds of Hornady CD HP. I'm concerned with over-penetration of FMJ's after seeing a test of Winchester 90 gr FMJ FP.
At sd distance round penetrated 4 layers of Levi type material, 19 inches of gel and a couple water jugs. Hornady CD 90 gr. HP, same test...through the 4 layers of Levi material, good, complete mushroom and stopped at the 18 to 19 inch gel mark. I don't think I need any more penetration than that. Just my 2 cents worth.

My primary carry consists of Glocks: G19, G26, G23, G27, G30sf. Or my favorite large gun a R.I.A. Tact. 1911 or Kimber Gold Match SE II SE 1911 loaded with 185gr Hornady XTP HP. I still like having the P238 in my front pocket in a Galco pocket holster...locked and cocked. ;)

kokapelli
July 6, 2012, 09:27 AM
Using "over penetration" as an argument for jhp over fmj is a none starter for me. If you ever have to actually pull that trigger to defend yourself, regurdless what type of ammo your using your rolling the dice that it will work out good for you.

A few years ago there was a police shoot out here in Phoenix where the police fired 87 rounds at a BG and only hit him 11 times. I don't care how good a shot you are, when your in a stressful siduation with things are happening quickly there are going to be misses and the type of ammo won't make any difference if you miss your target and hit a bystander.

The way I see it is I want to be sure my round can reach a vital organ and I certainly would not shoot if there was someone behind a BG, regardless of the type of ammo I was using.

If over penetration is a concern you better not ever use a 9mm or a 40cal.

I would also be more worried about misses than over penetration.

C0untZer0
July 6, 2012, 09:40 AM
Hornady CD 90 gr. HP, same test...through the 4 layers of Levi material, good, complete mushroom and stopped at the 18 to 19 inch gel mark.

Something was off with that test.

IMO, there is no 380 cartridge in existence that causes a 90gr .355 diameter hollow point bullet to penetrate 18" of properly formulated and mixed ordnance gelatin - not out of a .380 shell, not even +P loadings.

The tests I've seen for Hornady Critical Defense have the round penetrating to around 10" - maybe 11" IIRC.

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