S&W Shield owners. Do you have trouble seating 7 round mag?


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Orion8472
June 22, 2012, 11:47 AM
I was watching a video of a lady who owns one that she really likes, but was showing how it was hard to get the magazine [7 rounder] into the gun when it is fully loaded. Has anyone else experienced this?

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Shipwreck
June 22, 2012, 12:07 PM
It is harder to seat than the 8 rounder, but I don't really have an issue. Just slap it in.

basicblur
June 22, 2012, 12:08 PM
No problem so far.

Orion8472
June 22, 2012, 12:10 PM
Well, from the video, she inserted the magazine to where the top bullet made contact, . . . and then she REALLY pushed hard to get it to lock in place. I was just wondering if this was a common characteristic or if she may have an odd issue with hers.

charlesmmaynard
June 22, 2012, 12:14 PM
Both mine and my fathers are a little tough to get seated properly... But nothing that i would be concerned about...

basicblur
June 22, 2012, 12:17 PM
Well, from the video...

Link to video?

Orion8472
June 22, 2012, 12:37 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tu9GB35lQcU

Shown starting at about the 4:50 mark.

khegglie
June 22, 2012, 06:59 PM
No problem with the M&P .40 mags.

gemini
June 22, 2012, 11:44 PM
Its takes very little effort, just slam it in.

basicblur
June 23, 2012, 01:00 AM
Shown starting at about the 4:50 mark.
Perhaps that does look a bit too tough, but we don't know how strong she is, or exactly how hard she's pushing.

I noticed at the beginning of the video, during her shooting / reloading, she's not being nearly forceful enough with the reloads.

Don't know if she's a new shooter, but I often have to point out to a number of 'em I've helped get into SD lately - there are very few things you do with a gun (during normal operation) that shouldn't be done with much more authority than they're used to.
I've had to stop a number of 'em from riding the slide and reloading too gently - her reload technique looks problematic!?

Fer myself, I might insert a new magazine as gingerly as she does just to make sure everything's OK, but after determining there are no hangs, etc, that's probably the last time you'll see me shoving it in without being quick / forceful.

jfrey
June 23, 2012, 01:15 AM
In a word - No.

9mmepiphany
June 23, 2012, 01:57 AM
Well, from the video, she inserted the magazine to where the top bullet made contact, . . . and then she REALLY pushed hard to get it to lock in place. I was just wondering if this was a common characteristic or if she may have an odd issue with hers.
I watched the video and came to the same conclusion I formed after reading your description...she isn't doing it correctly.

This is a sub-compact gun, everything has be done to reduce the external package for marketing. That usually means that everything will be a little more stout...like pulling back the slide.

She shouldn't be sliding the magazine gently into the grip frame and then expect it to engage with a gentle push. There is too much pressure from the magazine spring for that to happen. (you need the increased pressure to rise the cartridge column faster during the smaller operation window of the faster slide) The magazine needs to be aligned with the magazine well and then slammed into the frame

F-111 John
June 23, 2012, 09:29 AM
I've been a YouTube subscriber to Faila and have seen a lot of her shooting and concealed carry videos. I don't think she's doing it wrong. If she says it's hard to seat, it's hard to seat.

Doing it wrong doesn't explain 1) why she has no problem with the 8 round magazine, and 2) why she never complained about her M&P compact, Walther PPQ, or PPS.

The 7 round magazines must be at the limit of spring compression when loading against a closed slide.

9mmepiphany
June 23, 2012, 11:49 AM
I didn't say she was doing it wrong. Wrong isn't the same as not correctly.

Correctly would be the optimal method for the factors involved...higher spring rate due to less space...as I explained in the following two paragraphs

basicblur
June 23, 2012, 01:42 PM
I don't think she's doing it wrong.
Did you watch her reloads at the beginning of the video?
I'd be willing to bet if she takes a class, one of the first things an instructor (well, a competent one) would zero in on would be her reloads. She looks like she slides the mag in lightly to the point of resistence, then clicks it in place.

When I reload, it's quick, forceful, and with the same force for the entire reload stroke. If I reloaded as she is in the beginning of the video, I wouldn't have confidence that the mag was truly seated / locked in.

Mr.Revolverguy
June 23, 2012, 02:00 PM
I have never experienced this with my shield.

Full review here

http://www.dayattherange.com/?p=1943

9mmepiphany
June 23, 2012, 02:37 PM
Did you watch her reloads at the beginning of the video?
I'd be willing to bet if she takes a class, one of the first things an instructor (well, a competent one) would zero in on would be her reloads. She looks like she slides the mag in lightly to the point of resistence, then clicks it in place..
Part of it is that she isn't grabbing or holding the magazines correctly when bringing them up for the reload. The fumble will cause hesitation in the insertion of the magazine into the magazine well.

But then I don't think the point of the video was to demonstrate proper technique...a reinforcement of this belief would be the trigger control being demonstrated...as much as it was to express an opinion based on her experience with a new gun.

F-111 John
June 23, 2012, 03:11 PM
And yet the 8 round mags aren't an issue for her.

ponchsox
June 23, 2012, 03:23 PM
The Shield mags can be hard to seat if the last round in the mag isn't pushed back all the way in the mag, but this is true of most other pistols as well.

9mmepiphany
June 23, 2012, 03:42 PM
And yet the 8 round mags aren't an issue for her.
A larger window of functionality allows the use of a less than optimal technique...it doesn't make the technique more optimal. If one insist on using a less than optimal technique, one should choose guns/magazines that have larger windows of functionality.

It is much like the difference between 8-round 1911 magazines having bodies which have flush baseplates and ones having extended baseplates. The extra length offers a wider conditions under which it will function acceptably.

Another well known example are Kahr pistols requiring that the slide be released using the slide stop during the break-in period. This is due to a combination of high recoil spring pressure, tight tolerances and short grip frame, combined with many users using less than optimal technique when racking the slide. Stoppages aren't a design flaw, they are user technique deficiencies...it is just easier to avoid the complaints by recommending a workaround to begin with.

jacob2745
June 23, 2012, 05:38 PM
If its any help i have the m&p 9c and seating the magazines in it is a little stiff but its definately not an issue.

ares338
June 23, 2012, 10:35 PM
I just have a problem finding a Shield to buy.

psyshack
June 24, 2012, 03:18 PM
I have been trying to get my wife to watch some of this young lady's videos.

Soldiernurse
June 25, 2012, 02:23 AM
YES! Went to Range today. I had trouble w/extended mag. In Fact, after every shot fired the mag partially ejected. Did not have this issue w/flush mag. I believe this to be operator error?

9mmepiphany
June 25, 2012, 02:49 AM
Are you shooting with your thumbs locked down or thumbs up/forward?

Soldiernurse
June 25, 2012, 10:31 AM
Are you shooting with your thumbs locked down or thumbs up/forward?
Highly appreciate your reply. In fact, I did have an improvement & it made a definite huge difference when I would modify my shooting thumb. With thumb flexed 90' the mag remained seated. Also, not happy with the trigger pull. Seemed greater than a 6.5lb. pull. At times I could not hit the broad side of a barn w/my Shield 40. Shots were low/left? However, w/my PPQ 40 my shot placement was very accurate... very tight groups.

Both my PPQ & Shield are brand new "out of the box". My PPQ was stellar & it would seem needs no break-in period. Yet, my Shield I have to modify my grip (shooting thumb) & the trigger pull is very stiff. Not sure what others mean by "gritty" but (Shield) was certainly not smooth.

9mmepiphany, your further thoughts, suggestions, comments, etc. are most welcome & anticipated. TIA!

Ben86
June 25, 2012, 10:38 AM
Most magazines are hard to seat fully loaded at first by design. With some use (loading and unloading) they'll loosen up, but not enough to cause a malfunction.

HiCap1
June 25, 2012, 11:08 AM
I wouldn't know this was an issue but for this thread,

HiCap

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