Norinco 84S , Any fans?


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sodajerk
June 23, 2012, 10:06 PM
A few months ago i picked up a norinco 84s, standard wood furniture.
Ive always been a fan of chicom AKs, but fell in love with this tight asian beauty. What kind of accuracy should i expect? It is shooter grade. Not collector.

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Ar180shooter
June 23, 2012, 10:24 PM
I'm a big fan of tight asian beauties.

Norinco AK's are also nice. :D

nathan
June 23, 2012, 10:54 PM
I bet they shoot tight groups with 55 gr ammo. The twist rate is probably slow.

MiniZ
June 23, 2012, 11:48 PM
I have the BWK-92, your rifle's ban era brother. I really love it. I have never shot it for groups, so I'm not much help with that question.
I would suspect, that 2-4 inches at 100 yards is probably what you will get, varying with quality of ammo.

sodajerk
June 23, 2012, 11:58 PM
Last weekend i was shooting 12x12 flooring tiles at 200 yards with tulammo, next weekend gonna try some 100yd groups
(not hitting every time)

ifit
June 24, 2012, 12:50 AM
lets see them 84s, not an 84s but a nhm 90 that shoots 5.56, sold it a while back but just an idea on the accuracy with bulk reloads 55gr plinker rounds
10 shot group at 50y
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y211/kadiindo/135.jpg
my 84s-1/underfolder
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y211/kadiindo/067-1.jpg
some shots w/84s1 years back, need to get it out again for a range trip
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y211/kadiindo/291-2.jpg

Dr.Rob
June 24, 2012, 03:12 AM
All the Norinco 5.56 AK's are 1 in 12 twist barrels. (see correction below)

sodajerk
June 24, 2012, 11:12 AM
Thanks for the input. Ive been shooting russian steel. But will try some better stuff and a sandbag to see what she does.

84B20
June 24, 2012, 07:04 PM
All the Norinco 5.56 AK's are 1 in 12 twist barrels.

Are you sure about that? I recently checked mine with a cleaning rod and counted 1:9 twist.

Dr.Rob
June 24, 2012, 07:30 PM
It's in the manual for 84S and Mak 90... I could be wrong about the NMH 91.

84B20
June 24, 2012, 07:49 PM
It's in the manual for 84S and Mak 90... I could be wrong about the NMH 91.

I just checked my manual and it says nothing about the twist rate. Here is an image of the manual that came with my MAK90.

Dr.Rob
June 24, 2012, 08:23 PM
I stand corrected. After checking my manual which looks a lot like yours and all it says it was designed to shoot M193 and SS109.

I was misremembering... I was positive I had seen that in the manuals. Duncan Long's book (http://www.amazon.com/AK47-Complete-Kalashnikov-Family-Assault/dp/0873644778/ref=la_B001JPCBRK_1_4?ie=UTF8&qid=1340579781&sr=1-4) suggested most Chinese guns were 1 in 12 but wasn't explicit in say 'ALL'. I've been saying 1 in 12 since about 2000...

So I am going to check. And you know what? I measured my Mak 90 in 5.56 and it's 1 in 9 color me shocked. I've never fired anything but 55gr ammo in it because I was positive it was 1/12.

Thanks for the heads up.

Early made .223/5.56 mm Chinese guns may indeed be 1/12 but it's easy enough to check.

84B20
June 24, 2012, 08:30 PM
For years I was also under the impression that it was 1:12 until I checked myself a few months ago. I have a Colt AR that is 1:7 and found that Hornady TAP 75gr was perfect for it. I wanted to use the same ammo in the MAK and that is why I checked it.

Dr.Rob
June 24, 2012, 08:38 PM
Even worse I found a post by me from 2006 where I state all Mak 90 and NHM guns are 1/9. So I KNOW I have looked this up before.

Measure 2x, claim to be an expert once. ;)

nwilliams
June 24, 2012, 09:01 PM
The Chinese built ones are some of the finest AK's ever brought into this country. They are becoming more collectible as each year passes and they are very accurate and fun to shoot.

http://i211.photobucket.com/albums/bb264/nwilliams27/Norinco-AK12.jpg

http://i211.photobucket.com/albums/bb264/nwilliams27/Norinco-AK6-1.jpg

nathan
June 24, 2012, 09:12 PM
I was offered one in excellent condition with fixed woodstock in 2004 for $450 with only one magazine. i wish i got that that when looking back. NOw they are probably in the $800-1000 range.

84B20
June 24, 2012, 09:17 PM
Not that I want to make anyone jealous, but I bought mine in 1992 for $250. :D

ifit
June 24, 2012, 10:35 PM
purchased mine from my uncle couple years back, original owner since 1985, for $450. yes the chinese aks are my favorites but the prices get steeper every year

nathan
June 24, 2012, 10:43 PM
If one can find those below $600 then its a deal today. But more than that might as well get a new AR which has more to offer in terms of accuracy potential, accessories and attachments. But those Chicom 84s will only appreciate in value which is a good thing. Have to shoot less on those if you intend to keep its value high.

Dr.Rob
June 25, 2012, 01:18 AM
Something that WAS in the manual:

Accuracy in mm @ 50 Meters = 50 max (that's 2 inches)

Accuracy in mm @ 100 Meters = 120 max (that's under 5 inches)

ifit
June 25, 2012, 05:51 AM
Dr. Rob, does the manual indicate what bullet they used light or heavy? apparently i suck on my shots at 50

Dr.Rob
June 25, 2012, 06:29 PM
From the manual and Duncan Long's book it would seem that any rifle NOT capable of that accuracy with 55 gr M193 or 62gr SS109 (M855) would be rejected.

However, in practical application who can say? Did Norinco actually test fire every rifle for accuracy? Or just put a few rounds through it to make sure it didn't blow up?

I managed some really nice groups before malfunctions made me sideline mine.

If you want to test your rifle for accuracy get a solid rest and a 5 round magazine. Sandbag the stock and fore end. Take your time between shots. The AK trigger isn't made for precision but you can practice dry firing with a snap cap to work on your trigger control. Put some well made ammo through it.

Oh and FYI get one of these if you ever plan to reload your brass: http://www.robertrtg.com/valmetbuffer.html

Otherwise your 84 S will darn near cut your brass in half.

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