Pulling a Bullet.. how?


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Litefoot
June 25, 2012, 12:05 AM
I'm experimenting with a newly purchased press and seated a bullet WAY too far. A bullet puller won't budge it. How do I get this cartridge apart aside from cutting it...which could create it's own issues?

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T Bran
June 25, 2012, 12:12 AM
What type bullet puller did you use?
I have yet to see a bullet that wont come out of the case using a cheap kinetic hammer type puller. I suppose it can happen but I've even broken down old surplus ammo that had the bullets sealed/glued into the case with a few good wacks.
T

hang fire
June 25, 2012, 12:39 AM
Ditto, the impact puller is the best when it comes to such.

Lost Sheep
June 25, 2012, 01:02 AM
The technique I use with a kinetic bullet puller is to hold it loosely between thumb and forefinger and bring it down swiftly on the end grain of a short piece of 4x4. Holding is loosely allows it to rebound without resistance, nearly doubling the extraction power.

I am told RCBS recommends striking a harder surface (concrete, I am told). But wood has always worked for me.

I first used the loose grip to prevent bending of the aluminum handle shaft (my RCBS bullet puller is a 30 year old model), but soon discovered that it made pulling the bullets more efficient and effective.

Just my experience.

Lost Sheep

edit: I forgot to point out that it may take several whacks to pull the bullet, the way I do it.

Also, if you have soft-point spitzer-type bullets, it is nice to put a peice of foam rubber or something (disposable ear plugs work well) in the bottom of the puller to keep from damaging the bullet tip. I don't do pointy bullets, but this is what I have read.

medalguy
June 25, 2012, 01:36 AM
Lost Sheep has it right. Hit the hammer on the end grain end of a good stout piece of wood, and if that dosn't budge the bullet, toss it out. It's not worth spending much time trying to salvage the case and bullet.

Litefoot
June 25, 2012, 01:40 AM
My puller is the Franklin Arsenal model (metal shaft, blue plastic mallet). The bullet is a 155 gr .40 cal pressed into 10mm brass with only 1/3 the length of the bullet sticking out the mouth of the cartridge. I don't think an impact puller is going to get it out. Maybe I can hit harder, but I'm not sure how much abuse the plastic will take. I'm already whacking it pretty hard.

Centurian22
June 25, 2012, 01:56 AM
Can you get ahold of the bullet with pliers? At least then only the bullet is scrapped and all other components are salvaged.

T Bran
June 25, 2012, 02:03 AM
My puller is a Frankford as well, never fear you can wack the dickens out of them.
I find that repeated strikes at a fast swing with a fairly loose grip seem to do the most good. Just dont let it get away from you. I also use the end grain of a large hunk of hard wood to strike against.
Luck
T

Mike 27
June 25, 2012, 02:03 AM
I whack it on concrete with the RCBS. Works well on stubborn bullets....Little intimidating and my RCBS one has went through the concrete drill more than a few times. I have a collet puller as well that works well but depending on how far you have it stuck in there and if there is enough to grip.

Elkins45
June 25, 2012, 08:25 AM
Take the die out of your press and put the case in the shellholder. Ram it all the way up so that it's sticking out of the top of the press, then firmly clamp the bullet with a pair of Vice Grips. Lower the ram. You won't save the bullet this way but unless you rip the rim off the case you will save it.

bigdogpete
June 25, 2012, 09:07 AM
Take the die out of your press and put the case in the shellholder. Ram it all the way up so that it's sticking out of the top of the press, then firmly clamp the bullet with a pair of Vice Grips. Lower the ram. You won't save the bullet this way but unless you rip the rim off the case you will save it.
Been there and done this before.

TonyT
June 25, 2012, 09:13 AM
You should determine which is worth more - the case or the bullet. The kinetic bullet puller will preserve both - you should be able to hit it hard enough on a solid surface such as concrete.

cfullgraf
June 25, 2012, 09:21 AM
The technique I use with a kinetic bullet puller is to hold it loosely between thumb and forefinger and bring it down swiftly on the end grain of a short piece of 4x4. Holding is loosely allows it to rebound without resistance, nearly doubling the extraction power.

I am told RCBS recommends striking a harder surface (concrete, I am told). But wood has always worked for me.

I first used the loose grip to prevent bending of the aluminum handle shaft (my RCBS bullet puller is a 30 year old model), but soon discovered that it made pulling the bullets more efficient and effective.

Just my experience.

Lost Sheep

Generally, i agree.

But, there is alway a but, you do want to hit the impact bullet puller against something that you do not care if it is damaged. A piece of scrap wood is good.

But, the impact is more effect if the impact bullet puller is hit against something that does not give under the impact. It is a physics thing. The deceleration of the impact puller is higher the more rigid the object struck. A higher deceleration leads to higher force and the bullet moves easier.

I hit my impact bullet puller against a blacksmith anvil. Works well and does not need as hard wrap as if I hit it against a wood block.

The impact puller will eventually fail hitting it against a hard object as opposed to a block of wood, but, I have been using the anvil for 10 years or so with no imminent failure.

medalguy
June 25, 2012, 11:11 AM
Yep, don't hit the kinetic puller on momma's dining room table. Ouch!!:what:

You can whack the crap outta those things. I've used one for probably twenty years now and although I much prefer a collet puller for rifle, the kinetic is about the only way to pull lead pistol bullets without damaging the bullet.

Remember brass is about three cents, but the bullet may be fifteen or twenty cents, maybe more depending on the caliber. I'd opt to save the bullet, but hey, we ARE talking twenty cents here for one bullet. No need to worry too much.

cberge8
June 25, 2012, 01:00 PM
I have the same puller as the OP, and have been able to pull anything I have ever wanted. Get a 2' long 4x4, stand it upright on a hard surface, and give the puller a good whack on the top end. Don't fret if it doesn't come out on the first strike. It may take 6 or more depending on your technique and how stubborn the round is!

Don't be afraid of the puller breaking in your hands, I have pulled several hundred rounds with mine with only minor abrasions to the puller.

Innovative
June 25, 2012, 09:58 PM
Like most shooters, I prefer to use a common inertia tool (hammer type) as a bullet puller. I insert a small wad of paper towel inside the tip to protect bullets as they come loose and fly forward.

I also recommend whacking the tool against the end of a 4x4. That gives a very sudden stop to release bullets quickly. It requires less hammering, and it protects the tool.

GP100man
June 25, 2012, 10:36 PM
HIT the 4x4 like ya MEAN it !!!!

larryflew
June 26, 2012, 01:28 PM
Hardwood end grain or concrete. NEVER had a bullet it would not pull if used correctly with lose hold and whack the xxxx out of it.

cougar1717
June 26, 2012, 01:33 PM
You can do this Litefoot! All it takes is a little patience and perseverence. An inertia puller may take 10-15 hits on a pistol cartridge.

rcmodel
June 26, 2012, 01:39 PM
Never in my life have I needed 10-15 hits to pull any pistol or larger rifle bullet.

What is hard to pull is little rifle bullets like .223, .20, and .17.

Those bullets don't have enough mass to come out, no matter how hard you whack them.

A 155 grain .40 S&W should come out in 2-3 whacks, no matter how deep it is seated.

Like everyone else is saying.
Hit the puller on a hard surface, and hit it like you mean it!
It will come out.

Lost Sheep
June 26, 2012, 10:10 PM
I'm experimenting with a newly purchased press and seated a bullet WAY too far. A bullet puller won't budge it. How do I get this cartridge apart aside from cutting it...which could create it's own issues?
Post a picture of this stubborn cartridge if you can get it focused close enough, please.

If you do have to cut the cartridge open, a copper tubing cutter is swift and easy and involves no generation of heat, sparks or metal filings. A lot faster than a hacksaw, too, in my experience. They are not expensive at any plumbing supply shop or general hardware store.

Lost Sheep

whtsmoke
June 26, 2012, 10:16 PM
take a short 6X6, stand it up and put a picture of the mother-in-law on it, works every time;)

cfullgraf
June 26, 2012, 10:17 PM
Never in my life have I needed 10-15 hits to pull any pistol or larger rifle bullet.

...

Like everyone else is saying.
Hit the puller on a hard surface, and hit it like you mean it!
It will come out.

Or as my wife would say, "...like your are fending off Norman Bates."

bbuddtec
June 26, 2012, 10:31 PM
^...what lost sheep said,,, increasing velocity on whacks gets out anything :D always impacting on "2x4" standing on concrete floor.

coalman
June 27, 2012, 01:44 AM
Kinetic puller will remove most reloads. I have some factory pickups that won't pull at the force I want to whack it. I've broken mine (RCBS) twice (cap broke) trying to pull some factory range pickups. Fixed (poorly) with super glue the first time and permanantly with epoxy the second. I've broken a few 2x4s over the years. Now, I just smack a carpet atop concrete. A loose grip does help. But, there is only so hard I want to swing it before I give up. I've never not had one of my reloads pull.

homatok
June 27, 2012, 12:49 PM
For the ones that wont budge----Put them in the press and bump the bullet a TINY bit deeper into the case and then use the Kinetic puller.

JSmith
June 27, 2012, 10:24 PM
I'm experimenting with a newly purchased press and seated a bullet WAY too far.

Me, too. I have the RCBS kinetic puller, which I've used successfully on a couple of mistakes. I whack it on the face of a rubber mallet because it's plastic and I can just see it cracking and breaking if I'm not careful. I have a stuffed-in .44 round I've been banging at off and on for a week now... I'll try the vise grip trick mentioned in #10 next.

rockns
June 28, 2012, 12:15 AM
if you have a tubing flaring tool take out the die and use the tube holding portion to clamp on bullet and pull ram down removing bullet from case

ArchAngelCD
June 28, 2012, 12:21 AM
I agree with the above suggestion to make sure you are hitting on a solid surface. You will lose a lot of energy if you hit something which is on the softer side.

Steel Talon
June 28, 2012, 12:33 AM
* Stick a ear foamy in the bottom of your kinetic puller. It saves bullet point integrity.
*Learn to strike with a crisp snap.Power and wrist action.
*If you have a solid machinest bench vice ; Strike puller on the anvil part.
*If you need to pull a bullt from a crimped case,first loosen the bullet every so slightly in your bullet seater die(push it down to break seal)

JSmith
June 29, 2012, 07:50 AM
I tried the vise grip trick mentioned in #10: it worked like a charm. Thanks, Elkins45. That was so easy I feel stupid for wasting all that time banging it in the puller.

highlander 5
June 29, 2012, 08:25 AM
40 years of reloading and I've never had a round I couldn't dis mantle with an inertia puller. I've a piece of 4x4 post to bang the puller on saves the wrist and soft enough as to keep the puller from shattering.

coalman
June 29, 2012, 01:29 PM
For the ones that wont budge----Put them in the press and bump the bullet a TINY bit deeper into the case and then use the Kinetic puller.

This works and saves the bullet. I used a vise w/ a small block of wood at the case rim to protect the primer. Go slow just until you hear/see/feel the break. The most stubborn factory range pickup bullets (.380 loads with a light bullet) I've been collecting (because they would not pull w/ my kinetic puller) pulled no problem after. Thanks.

Sport45
July 1, 2012, 01:39 AM
How do I get this cartridge apart aside from cutting it...which could create it's own issues?

If you're willing to cut it in half you should be willing to discard it. That's what I'd do if I couldn't pull the bullet to re-use.

Toss it in the dud bucket at your range or in the closest trash can in the house if your range doesn't have a dud bucket.

Or leave it on the bench at the range and someone like me will come along and pick it up to part it out for recycling. ;)

Jim Watson
July 1, 2012, 01:56 AM
I whack my Quinetics on the press frame or a block of steel for the easy ones, but for a tough one, I just step out the shop door and beat it on the concrete garage floor. Haven't broken it yet.

icanthitabarn
July 1, 2012, 02:05 AM
I have a old 5Lb lead molded thing. Used by holding it or laying on bench. It works well, especially hand held.

Litefoot
July 1, 2012, 11:05 PM
Hey everybody, OP here. I just whacked it harder and the bullets came out. Thanks for the great advice from everyone. I was just scared I'd break the puller and was thinking I'd rather sacrifice a couple of bullets than a $20 kinetic.

Steel Talon
July 3, 2012, 03:13 AM
Good for you

T Bran
July 3, 2012, 03:25 AM
I had a bunch of old 30-06 ball ammo with the sealed bullets and primers to pull down. At first I was seating a bit to break them loose from the sealant and hammering them apart. I decided to try one as is without reseating deeper first. It came apart with the same# of blows as the others so always try one first it could save you a step and some time.

T Bran
July 3, 2012, 03:27 AM
I had a bunch of old 30-06 ball ammo with the sealed bullets and primers to pull down. At first I was seating a bit to break them loose from the sealant and hammering them apart. I decided to try one as is without reseating deeper first. It came apart with the same# of blows as the others so always try one first it could save you a step and some time.

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