New M&P15 - What Optics?


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Still Shooting
June 25, 2012, 05:06 PM
I have a brand new M&P15 flat top.:D I expect to use it for plinking, and as a PDW. I've been wondering what to do for lights 'n' sights. The rifle comes with polycarbonate MBUS fold-downs, but I'm thinking this also:

1- For close-in, quick acquisition a Laser Max Uni-Max ES red laser, mounted front on the bottom rail.

2- For further out, an Aimpoint CompM3 2MOA mounted on the Aimpoint 30mm ring, over the receiver.

What say the people with experience? This is my first (only?) AR, chambered in 5.56x45.

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joed
June 25, 2012, 06:37 PM
I went with a Colt 6920 which came with Magpul sights. After some research I decided on the Eotech 512. People on here were a lot of help with the decision.

meanmrmustard
June 25, 2012, 06:53 PM
Methinks Eotech 512 , or if budget minded (as am I) , Bushnell TRS 25.
Laser...I'd go with the Crimson Trace Rail Master.

CharlieDeltaJuliet
June 25, 2012, 07:00 PM
I have the Aimpoint mounted on mine. While it hurt me (at least my feelings and my wallet) when I bought it. It is a solid red dot. I only had buyers remorse until I zero'd it and put it through some drills.

I personally love my M&P 15. I bought mne not long after S&W started doing the in house receivers and such. I could not be more happy. They really are great rifles.

Fishbed77
June 25, 2012, 07:00 PM
1- For close-in, quick acquisition a Laser Max Uni-Max ES red laser, mounted front on the bottom rail.

2- For further out, an Aimpoint CompM3 2MOA mounted on the Aimpoint 30mm ring, over the receiver.

Personally, in think a laser is pointless if you have a high-quality red-dot. The Aimpoint CompM3 is an excellent choice. You should also look at the Aimpoint PRO. It is a basically a 2 MOA dot CompM3 packaged with the QRP2 mount, and represents an excellent value. I own a PRO, and it is a fantastic optic.

JustinJ
June 25, 2012, 07:42 PM
For HD definitely Aimpoint over Eotech. With the former one just leaves the reticle on and replaces the battery once a year or longer if you wish. The Eotechs i've had sucked down batteries even when off and I don't care to be fiddling with buttons while somebody is kicking in my door.

Laser aint a bad idea either as it can speed up time on target but at SD ranges it doesn't matter too much.

Key thing to be aware is that if you fire that thing indoors the noise and flash will be extremely disorienting.

rikman
June 25, 2012, 08:01 PM
Personally, in think a laser is pointless if you have a high-quality red-dot. The Aimpoint CompM3 is an excellent choice. You should also look at the Aimpoint PRO. It is a basically a 2 MOA dot CompM3 packaged with the QRP2 mount, and represents an excellent value. I own a PRO, and it is a fantastic optic.
+1

I have the Eotech 557 and don't see much use for a laser. The Eotech is perfect for CQB and I've shot with out to 100yds on my LMT and got great accuracy.

meanmrmustard
June 25, 2012, 08:04 PM
Want drives the consumer market, and if a laser is wanted, a laser can be had.

We know that he wants one, need is his decision.

Creature
June 25, 2012, 08:08 PM
Or you could try one of these:

http://i43.servimg.com/u/f43/12/63/91/01/img_5813.jpg

$350 at MidwayUSA

henschman
June 25, 2012, 08:16 PM
I would second the suggestion of an Aimpoint PRO. I would also forgo the laser.

justice06rr
June 25, 2012, 08:43 PM
I echo the suggestion for Aimpoint or Eotech, and forgo the laser for a good flashlight instead.

MikePaiN
June 25, 2012, 08:46 PM
Keeping with the plan of a budgeted and simple AR, I'm topping my M&P15 Sport with a Bushnell TRS-25 on a riser.

xerxesthecat
June 25, 2012, 09:03 PM
I have some ARs set up with Eotechs, which are good (large circle=fast acquisition, small center dot=accuracy) another with a leupold dangerous game scope with the circle/dot retrofit (like a eotech with magnification) , had some aimpoints with and without the magnifier (great quality, but its still a dot), trijicon reflex sites(the field is dark and hinders target acquisition) and recently starting buying leupold prismatics....I cant vouch for combat reliability, but for civilian conditions, this scope is great. its everything an eotech is, plus good clear glass, an etched reticle, and an illumination option. I now prefer them to everything else on tactical style rifles.

meanmrmustard
June 25, 2012, 09:07 PM
Keeping with the plan of a budgeted and simple AR, I'm topping my M&P15 Sport with a Bushnell TRS-25 on a riser.
Darn fine choice, sir. 3MOA in a sighting system costing less than $100 with NO starburst is money well spent.

xerxesthecat
June 25, 2012, 09:07 PM
and as far as a laser, I bought a long range green laser but never had much use for it, so now I stuck it on a spike 22 that I use for after-dark battles with oppossums, skunks, etc. and even then its nearly a useless counterweight because of the main optic and light.

Fishbed77
June 25, 2012, 09:30 PM
Want drives the consumer market, and if a laser is wanted, a laser can be had.

We know that he wants one, need is his decision.

Which we can only assume is why the OP asked in the first place for our opinions.

Regardless, I still believe the Aimpoint red-dots (CompM3 or PRO) represent an ideal choice for plinking & defense. Lasers can be tough to see in sunlight (when plinking) and present one more thing to be fumbled with in a defensive situation (also a problem with the EOTech optics). The crazy-long battery life of the Aimpoints mean they can be turned on and left on for years. They are always ready to go, just like irons sights.

meanmrmustard
June 25, 2012, 09:40 PM
Which we can only assume is why the OP asked in the first place for our opinions.

Regardless, I still believe the Aimpoint red-dots (CompM3 or PRO) represent an ideal choice for plinking & defense. Lasers can be tough to see in sunlight (when plinking) and present one more thing to be fumbled with in a defensive situation (also a problem with the EOTech optics). The crazy-long battery life of the Aimpoints mean they can be turned on and left on for years. They are always ready to go, just like irons sights.
This is true no doubt. But in a defensive situation (and feel free to rebuttle), ,most SD situations are going to take place at night or low light. I dont make stuff up, thats just the way of the criminal world, in which case the red dot is useless here. Let him have his laser.

TanklessPro
June 25, 2012, 10:34 PM
I can't help on the laser, but if you want one get it. I prefer the Aimpoint but that's just me. The Eotech looks cool but a little busy for my taste. Altghough its hard to beat the bushnell trs-25. IMO I would go for no magnification for HD

meanmrmustard
June 25, 2012, 10:38 PM
I can't help on the laser, but if you want one get it. I prefer the Aimpoint but that's just me. The Eotech looks cool but a little busy for my taste. Altghough its hard to beat the bushnell trs-25. IMO I would go for no magnification for HD
TRS is amazing for the price. The cost versus value is extraordinary.

Fishbed77
June 25, 2012, 11:27 PM
most SD situations are going to take place at night or low light. I dont make stuff up, thats just the way of the criminal world, in which case the red dot is useless here. Let him have his laser.

Um... you do know that an Aimpoint (and pretty much every other electro-optical) red dot is visible in pitch black darkness, right?

meanmrmustard
June 25, 2012, 11:35 PM
Um... you do know that an Aimpoint (and pretty much every other electro-optical) red dot is visible in pitch black darkness, right?
Yup. But your target, through a tube in pitch black, may not be. Don't know about you, but I have crappy eyesight, and if I can put a dot on my target, that lets me focus ON said target without using my vision through an optic in low light, all the better. Light gathering in a home at 12:43 a.m. Is not happening.Lasers aren't wasted on those who need them, but those who want them. To each their own.

CharlieDeltaJuliet
June 25, 2012, 11:45 PM
I have a green laser that I turned the power up on( adjustabl diode). It is on my CMMG AR .22. It is VERY visible in broad daylight. I put it on because it was easier for my wife to use. I have it zero'd at 25 yards. It never gets turned on anymore. The cool thing is it came with a flashlight head that can be changed out in a few seconds. If you want a laser, more power to you. You will probaly enjoy it. Either way, you have a great rifle, customize it to suite you, and enjoy it..

SigLaw
June 26, 2012, 12:11 AM
For the money, another vote for the Bushnell.

Fishbed77
June 26, 2012, 12:14 AM
Yup. But your target, through a tube in pitch black, may not be. Don't know about you, but I have crappy eyesight, and if I can put a dot on my target, that lets me focus ON said target without using my vision through an optic in low light, all the better. Light gathering in a home at 12:43 a.m. Is not happening.

Aimpoint dots are illuminated. They are also designed to be used with both eyes open and focused on the target. When you shoulder the weapon, you see the dot on the target. It's really that simple.

You don't look "through a tube" and try to focus on a dot. You look at the target and see a dot projected over the target.

Yes, you get a similar effect with a laser. I've found, however, that sometimes to rapidly "find" the laser dot, you have to shoulder and aim the weapon anyway, at which point the laser hasn't gained you anything. Yes, lasers do cast off a little ambient light, but nowhere near enough for safe target identification. As justice06rr mentioned, you are better served by a good flashlight.

Also keep in mind that laser battery life is measured in hours, whereas Aimpoint battery life is measured in years.

Again, to each his own, but I have never found a laser that I was satisfied with.

meanmrmustard
June 26, 2012, 06:47 AM
I never mentioned use for ambient light. I shoot my red dots with both eyes open, never used one that I couldn't, but last evening I stepped out to my porch and turned on my sight in anticipation of a coon that's been savaging my trash at dusk. Worked fine. Then it gets dark. Dot or no dot, looking through, or even eyes open, target focus sucked. Coon never came though.

There still is the hazy scope body just out of focus enough to still be seen when shooting, at least for me anyway. So, if a rifle has to be shouldered for either sighting device, I'd rather put a dot on BGs head, it to me would make a great deterrent and persuasive enough to get he/she out of my home without shots being fired. Someone with a laser between their eyes might be obliging.

True, their batteries are easily drained. That's why you sight it in and leave it off. Plink with it? Not during the day, they're hard to see as it is. HD at night or low light? I think it's a great tool for that. I don't want to point-shoot or HAVE to aim, that's the point. The laser does it for you. Iknow, iknow. A dots a dot. But my posts aren't " aim point vs a laser!"... it's a laser vs ANY red dot in low light or night defense. You'll already be fumbling with switches or knobs to turn the sight on. Why not just hit the laser?

Only laser I've come to enjoy and trust is the Crimson Trace Railmaster. It's on my HD gun, and properly sighted, so I know when the time comes I can hit one button and save lives if need be.
But, as said, each to his own.

Still Shooting
June 26, 2012, 12:38 PM
My feeling on the laser is this: Following recent "Armed Citizen" columns in the Rifleman magazine, I have come across a few incidents where the appearance of a red dot on BG's body was enough to make him quickly reverse gears and beat a retreat. It does have a way of saying, "I am armed and prepared, and your demise is imminent".

My intention is to use the Aimpoint or open sights for plinking (primarily), and the laser only close-in if a defense situation arises. In that case, my wife will be pointing the Ithaca as well if we're both in the house.

meanmrmustard
June 26, 2012, 02:13 PM
My feeling on the laser is this: Following recent "Armed Citizen" columns in the Rifleman magazine, I have come across a few incidents where the appearance of a red dot on BG's body was enough to make him quickly reverse gears and beat a retreat. It does have a way of saying, "I am armed and prepared, and your demise is imminent".

My intention is to use the Aimpoint or open sights for plinking (primarily), and the laser only close-in if a defense situation arises. In that case, my wife will be pointing the Ithaca as well if we're both in the house.
That was my point in my last post. Not too many folks are going to get brave with a laser pointed between their eyes.

hardluk1
June 26, 2012, 09:58 PM
I would put what you feel you need on it. I have no want for a laser but after that deside what you will use it for and put the optic on it that does the job for a buget you can live with. Maybe a reflex from burris, doctor, c-more or leupold or just a 30 dollar red dot on a 45* base. .I find most of the stuff people hang on there ars are not worth the money.

If i have to light someone up to scare them off its allready to late for them. For home defence only. you might want just a Tritium sights on it and a quality flashlight for looking around after you have shot the BG.. Sights like this-
http://www.opticsplanet.com/trijicon-night-sight-sets-for-ar15-m16-cp25.html

meanmrmustard
June 26, 2012, 10:03 PM
Personally, I like the thought of NOT having to shoot someone if possible. You know, with having to go to court and whatnot. Any deterrent is a good one, and it puts a guy in jail rather than in the ground.

pubthumper
June 26, 2012, 11:39 PM
I would say no to the laser, and agree with a red dot. I had the same experience as another poster here, buying a red dot and lamenting the cost. As indicated, once sighted and actually used, its worth is obvious. As far as a laser being a deterrent in itself, well, no. I am sure it helps if said bad guy sees it, or that Ithaca (ouch), but if thats your situation I'd think things have gone way south real fast. Dont intimidate, shoot.

meanmrmustard
June 26, 2012, 11:44 PM
I would say no to the laser, and agree with a red dot. I had the same experience as another poster here, buying a red dot and lamenting the cost. As indicated, once sighted and actually used, its worth is obvious. As far as a laser being a deterrent in itself, well, no. I am sure it helps if said bad guy sees it, or that Ithaca (ouch), but if thats your situation I'd think things have gone way south real fast. Dont intimidate, shoot.
I wouldn't want to explain that line of reasoning in court. But, you're your own boss, right?

pubthumper
June 26, 2012, 11:57 PM
Perhaps not dude! But I'd not want to explain it in a graveyard either. Guess its all about application. I'd rather be in prison and my children alive than them (gulp) you know, and me free. You make a solid point, to be sure. This argument will outlive us, bro.

meanmrmustard
June 27, 2012, 12:03 AM
Perhaps not dude! But I'd not want to explain it in a graveyard either. Guess its all about application. I'd rather be in prison and my children alive than them (gulp) you know, and me free. You make a solid point, to be sure. This argument will outlive us, bro.
Indeed. Children involved? Bet you poop chute that at least one, well aimed shot is being taken by me, make no mistake.

No arguments, it's just nice to have choices!

hardluk1
June 27, 2012, 10:47 AM
One thing many do not know. In a low or basicaly no light light enviroment a dot offers darn near no view or highly reduced. There are several len's with coating on them that reduce what view you have if no light is used . They are by far faster to us when you have enough some reasonable light is acquire a target quickly with but in very low light even the glowing red or green dot takes away from down range field of view. Thats the one reason I mentioned the tritium sight inserts would be a better first choice with dot maybe mounted on a 45* mount. There is truely clear optics, all have a tint to them.

TonyAngel
June 28, 2012, 12:05 PM
I don't think that any long gun is the ideal weapon for in home defense, but I won't get into that; since the OP has chosen to go with an AR.

If you can afford it, I'd say get both. Like anything else, they are both tools and no tool is ideal for all situations. I know that many turn their noses up at lasers, but they can be very useful, especially in very close quarters when tensions are high.

If you can only afford one, I'd go with the red dot. It is useful in a broader range of situations. I wouldn't worry about not being able to see through the tube (unless you're blind in your weak eye). If you use the red dot the way it was intended to be used, not being able to see through the tube is not a problem, as long as there is enough light to see. Red dots lend themselves well to being used as an occluded eye sight.

I'd also like to say that I don't think that there's anything wrong with trying to use a deterrent before shooting someone (if given the opprotunity), especially in the current environment. I'm really surprised that so many here on THR are so willing to shoot first and ask questions later and are justifying their opinion or planned course of action with references to the protection of their family.

mac66
June 28, 2012, 02:28 PM
I put a Mueller Speed Shot 1-4X on a Burris PEPR mount on my optics ready M&P15. Uses a 4 MOA black dot reticule that illuminates if needed which IMO is better than just a red dot. I use it from close up to known distance drills out to 400 yards. Works very well.

Tomac
June 28, 2012, 03:02 PM
I've owned/used most Eotechs, Aimpoints and other types of optics over the years.
As others have already posted, I suggest ditching the laser and go w/the Aimpoint Pro w/it's typical Aimpoint ruggedness, reliability & insane battery life.
Due to my astigmatism I currently use the 1x Leupold Prismatic w/DCD (double-circle dot) reticle.
Tomac

batmann
June 28, 2012, 05:52 PM
I will second the Burris AR332. 3x magnifaction, rugged, water proof to several meters (3, I think), doesn't overwhelm you with size and weight, has a BDC retical with choice of Red or Green in various brightness levels or just leave the colors off and use the Black that requires no battery, useful if you should need it and the battery is dead. I mounted mine on Burris's QD mount and it replaced my TRS-25 on my S&W M&P 15. It may be my eyes, but I have found that red dots are good out to about 50 meters or so, but with 3x the Burris is good out to 200-300 meters.
All in all, IMHO, a great optic for the money. One more thing about the Burris, since it is only 3x, it is still useful at close range and still very good at longer ranges.

MikePaiN
June 28, 2012, 07:12 PM
One of the main concerns I had was adding top weight to the M&P Sport, I also wanted simplicity, so I topped it with a TRS-25. I realized after one range trip a red dot isn't going to do this rifle justice. I knew it needed a proper scope, but I still wanted to minimize weight and complexity. After a long search I finally found the right solution at the right price.
The new Nikon P-223 3x32 BDC Carbine scope got ordered this morning, too bad I'm going to have to wait the back order :(
The P-Rings looked like a good match so I ordered with those.

Check out the specs on this little gem....
http://www.opticsplanet.com/nikon-p-223-3x32-bdc-carbine-rifle-scope.html

DNS
June 28, 2012, 10:32 PM
My Sport wears a four power Bushnell Banner and the front scope ring has a rail on top of it. On the rail is a Center Point laser which is good out to two hundred yards at night and activates off a pressure pad.
Hogs worst nightmare. :D

Ar180shooter
June 29, 2012, 01:36 AM
Personally, in think a laser is pointless if you have a high-quality red-dot. The Aimpoint CompM3 is an excellent choice. You should also look at the Aimpoint PRO. It is a basically a 2 MOA dot CompM3 packaged with the QRP2 mount, and represents an excellent value. I own a PRO, and it is a fantastic optic.
Agreed on the laser being a waste.

Get a quality red dot, and that will cover you for 0-300 yards (and beyond). I run an Aimpoint Micro on my AR.

meanmrmustard
June 29, 2012, 06:52 AM
Not a waste depending on its use.

meanmrmustard
June 29, 2012, 06:54 AM
My feeling on the laser is this: Following recent "Armed Citizen" columns in the Rifleman magazine, I have come across a few incidents where the appearance of a red dot on BG's body was enough to make him quickly reverse gears and beat a retreat. It does have a way of saying, "I am armed and prepared, and your demise is imminent".

My intention is to use the Aimpoint or open sights for plinking (primarily), and the laser only close-in if a defense situation arises. In that case, my wife will be pointing the Ithaca as well if we're both in the house.
Speaking of lasers, have you looked at the Crimson Trace Railmaster?

wnycollector
June 29, 2012, 09:17 AM
I have an AR set up for HD. My 14.5" BCM is topped with an Aimpoint Pro and a Streamlight Polytac LED attached to my AR using a VTAC Mount.

HavelockLEO
June 30, 2012, 10:46 PM
As far as Aimpoints go, the only one I like is the PRO, I run ACOG's and Leupolds on everything else
http://i940.photobucket.com/albums/ad242/HavelockLEO/100_1911.jpg

If I ever get another Aimpoint it'll be the PRO

meanmrmustard
June 30, 2012, 10:48 PM
As far as Aimpoints go, the only one I like is the PRO, I run ACOG's and Leupolds on everything else
http://i940.photobucket.com/albums/ad242/HavelockLEO/100_1911.jpg

If I ever get another Aimpoint it'll be the PRO
Did you whiten that roll mark yourself? Actually looks good.

HavelockLEO
June 30, 2012, 10:55 PM
Yes'sir by hand using my own technique

http://i940.photobucket.com/albums/ad242/HavelockLEO/100_1912.jpg

meanmrmustard
June 30, 2012, 11:03 PM
Yes'sir by hand using my own technique

http://i940.photobucket.com/albums/ad242/HavelockLEO/100_1912.jpg
May I inquire as to what that was? I too have an M&P and like their crest. What you've done looks nice.

HavelockLEO
July 1, 2012, 12:20 AM
Get a white paint marker (a new one with a virgin tip is best), plastic handled cotton swabs (Walmart brand are good), a good clean shop rag, and some lacquer thinner.

Clean the area you want to high-lite with the thinner and let it dry thoroughly.

Then crack open the paint marker and get the paint flowing to the tip as per the instructions.

Next go over the engraving until the indentions are filled (You'll have to re-wet the paint marker tip per the instructions a few times to completely fill the engraving). And it doesnt matter if you get paint onto the finish of the lower in the design thats supposed to be the background color or around the edges of the design.

Now let the paint set up until its tackie to the touch and not completely dry.

Then get out your cotton swabs and get one end soaked in the thinner and start to gently whisk it over the painted area. The paint will smear once the thinner is applied, but thats no big deal.

You need to work slowly and use new swabs once you notice the paint building up on the one youre using.

You might also have to re-coat shallow parts of the engraving as the paint can be whisked out easily by wet swab. This isnt anything to get upset about, it happens no matter what you do, its just a matter of re-painting and working slowly.

Last you'll have to take a wet swab and go over the entire area to get the paint that was smeared over the anodizing as you cleaned the paint from the design area.

There you go, long hand, how I do it. It takes some time to get the hang of it, but once you learn the touch for the shallow places and how wet you need to get the swabs its all gravy from there.

Hope this helps.

Still Shooting
July 1, 2012, 01:00 AM
I am also impressed by the engraving highlights - looks like I'll have to stop at the hardware store on the way home from church tomorrow AM...

meanmrmustard
July 1, 2012, 01:02 AM
Get a white paint marker (a new one with a virgin tip is best), plastic handled cotton swabs (Walmart brand are good), a good clean shop rag, and some lacquer thinner.

Clean the area you want to high-lite with the thinner and let it dry thoroughly.

Then crack open the paint marker and get the paint flowing to the tip as per the instructions.

Next go over the engraving until the indentions are filled (You'll have to re-wet the paint marker tip per the instructions a few times to completely fill the engraving). And it doesnt matter if you get paint onto the finish of the lower in the design thats supposed to be the background color or around the edges of the design.

Now let the paint set up until its tackie to the touch and not completely dry.

Then get out your cotton swabs and get one end soaked in the thinner and start to gently whisk it over the painted area. The paint will smear once the thinner is applied, but thats no big deal.

You need to work slowly and use new swabs once you notice the paint building up on the one youre using.

You might also have to re-coat shallow parts of the engraving as the paint can be whisked out easily by wet swab. This isnt anything to get upset about, it happens no matter what you do, its just a matter of re-painting and working slowly.

Last you'll have to take a wet swab and go over the entire area to get the paint that was smeared over the anodizing as you cleaned the paint from the design area.

There you go, long hand, how I do it. It takes some time to get the hang of it, but once you learn the touch for the shallow places and how wet you need to get the swabs its all gravy from there.

Hope this helps.
Thanks alot! I may do this.

Welding Rod
July 1, 2012, 01:21 AM
I would go with either an Aimpoint T-1 or M4s.

I have used other red dots as well as owned a coupleof Eotechs (512s). I find I like the Aimpoints better. The optical quality is excellent, the dot simple, and the knob operation for intensity easy and intuitive.

I highly suggest you buy something really good the first time to avoid rebuying later.

basicblur
July 1, 2012, 01:24 AM
To anyone wanting to whiten engravings, I've been through a number of YouTube videos - everybody has a different method, but I thought this guy's video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vcLzaxqsOCE&list=PL2BCE9460A59C1BB3&index=19&feature=plpp_video) was one of the better, more detailed ones I've seen.

I've been planning on doing some of the engravings on magazines, since it can be darn difficult to reach into my box o' mags and identify which mag for which gun.

Some makers are darn stingy with the identifying marks on their magazines! :banghead:

Redlegvzv
July 1, 2012, 12:01 PM
EOTech or Aimpoint -- either will not let you down. I use both and like both.

I have also had good luck with an Ultradot Matchdot (which is a LOT less money) on my Mini 14:

http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a331/Roger54/Gun%20Stuff/DSC_0732.jpg

EOTech on the Ruger SR556E
http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a331/Roger54/Gun%20Stuff/DSC_0585.jpg

lovethosesooners
July 1, 2012, 12:54 PM
Another vote for the Eotech-I'm sure I would have liked the Aimpoint too, but looking through them both, I preferred the Eotech.

Maybe it's just me, but I always get a chuckle out of those trying to make a big deal out of the Eotech's battery life? 600 hours is a VERY long time for me-besides, the battery is cheap, easy to find (Lowe's as example), and easy to change.

Seems as is with so many other brand choices in forums, "mine is the best and your's sucks"! ;)

There's tons of good choices available even other than the 2 best known choices, just as there are with gun manufacturers.

HavelockLEO
July 2, 2012, 05:24 AM
The Aimpoint PRO's battery life is measured in YEARS, lol. Its designed to be turned on at the setting you like, and left that way. If I remember right, on setting 6 the battery will last 3 years before it has to be replaced. Its much longer if youre in the habit of turning it off.

meanmrmustard
July 2, 2012, 07:13 AM
If I was going to pony up (which I won't seeing as I'm not paying the same price for a red dot as I do a rifle) for either of the two having used both...Eotech. I like that it's not just another tube, like the brightness, and the construction. I would not own either, however, if I had to choose. I'd own a Trijicon ACOG. It doesn't NEED batteries, ever. But, once again, only if I hit the lottery. I don't buy used optics ever, so finding any of the aforementioned optics at a much lower price due to having been pre owned is a non issue.

I opted to go with the Bushnell, being cheaper, lighter, and if it gets shot off the top of the rifle, who cares. Id make sure you were good with the irons too.

As for an aimpoint, I would not turn it on and leave it that way. My parents taught me better than that:)

Caliper_RWVA
July 2, 2012, 09:36 AM
I'm more of an iron sights guy myself, but what I've been looking at recently is a low powered scope.

There are a lot of good 1-4x scopes out there in the same price range as an Eotech. Buy one that is illuminated and you will get red-dot-like performance at 1x while 4x magnification is plenty or most uses out to any range that .223/5.56 is effective at.

nodeal
July 2, 2012, 04:30 PM
Personally, in think a laser is pointless if you have a high-quality red-dot. You should also look at the Aimpoint PRO. It is a basically a 2 MOA dot CompM3 packaged with the QRP2 mount, and represents an excellent value. I own a PRO, and it is a fantastic optic.

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I just put a PRO on my first AR and I'm thoroughly pleased. I originally wanted one of the micros for aesthetic reasons, but went with the pro because it was the best value ($380 shipped from AZ Armaments incld the mount). A Primary Arms would be cheaper, but I was willing to pay a bit more for the Aimpoint reputation.


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MikePaiN
July 2, 2012, 06:33 PM
One of the main concerns I had was adding top weight to the M&P Sport, I also wanted simplicity, so I topped it with a TRS-25. I realized after one range trip a red dot isn't going to do this rifle justice. I knew it needed a proper scope, but I still wanted to minimize weight and complexity. After a long search I finally found the right solution at the right price.
The new Nikon P-223 3x32 BDC Carbine scope got ordered this morning, too bad I'm going to have to wait the back order :(
The P-Rings looked like a good match so I ordered with those.

Check out the specs on this little gem....
http://www.opticsplanet.com/nikon-p-223-3x32-bdc-carbine-rifle-scope.html
I want to update this: After sleeping on the choice of a P-223 3x32 for my M&P15 Sport, I came to a couple of conclusions....1. I don't want to wait 6-8weeks for delivery. 2. I wanted more magnification and versitility.
I found a better choice with the Nikon M-223 1-4x28....I believe this scope is even better suited to my shooting and the rifle's capabilities. I just had to stop being cheap and spend that extra to get the "right" glass ;)

http://www.opticsplanet.com/nikon-1-4x20-matte-point-blank-riflescope.html

mgregg85
July 15, 2012, 09:11 PM
I bought a EoTech 512 for my M4gery, no regrets. Sure the batteries won't last for years but then again I don t leave it on either. It automatically shuts off after about 8 hours and I replace the two AA's once every two months. The old batteries get rotated out to remote duty.

Still Shooting
July 22, 2012, 07:32 PM
-I just wanted to thank all the people who recommended the Aimpoint PRO as a red dot sight. My new one arrived a couple of days ago, went onto the rifle, and I love how easy it is to look through it and still keep situational awareness. Haven't had a chance to get 'er on the range yet, but it may be tomorrow (Appleseed on our club range this weekend).

The best part is, my wife took a look through the Aimpoint and said, "NICE!" -No mention of price, other things we need, etc. Her next remark was, "Can we go to the range soon so I can try it out?" -I'm a lucky man...

Infidel4life11
July 23, 2012, 01:05 PM
Aimpoint can't go wrong. They do tend to limit visibility on your right side (if you are right handed) Eotech's aren't bad by any means I just perfer the Aimpoint. Reflex sights give you the most visibility but suck in sunlight.

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