Winchester 70 Stainless issues or a steal?


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Kachok
June 26, 2012, 01:25 AM
Many here know I have been itching for a new Winchester 70 since they came back with the Mauser style action a few years back. Well today I saw a new Model 70 featherweight in Stainless (270 win) for $620 NIB less then the blued versions by $130. Is this a steal of a deal or is there some issue with the stainless that everyone but me knows about? I am thinking really hard about snatching this rifle up, despite the fact that I was looking for a sporter model.

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Kachok
June 26, 2012, 01:42 AM
BTW I did inspect for flaws, stock was not touching the barrel at any point, and the fit and finnish appeared to perfect, the wood was nice and the action was as expected of a Winchester 70.....awe inspiring.

H&Hhunter
June 26, 2012, 01:57 AM
Is it an older New Haven gun or a new South Carolina gun?

Ridgerunner665
June 26, 2012, 02:00 AM
No help here...I saw a 300 WSM featherweight that was $100 less than the 30-06 sitting right next to it.

I didn't think to look at the time but it may have been an older model, not made by FN...for reference if a model 70 was made by FN the serial number will start with "35" followed by 3 letters...that may be the reason, but its only a guess.

Kachok
June 26, 2012, 02:00 AM
It is the new South Carolina, FN made Model 70.

Kachok
June 26, 2012, 02:06 AM
No help here...I saw a 300 WSM featherweight that was $100 less than the 30-06 sitting right next to it.

I didn't think to look at the time but it may have been an older model, not made by FN...for reference if a model 70 was made by FN the serial number will start with "35" followed by 3 letters...that may be the reason, but its only a guess.
Correct me if I am wrong but aren't all the new Mauser style versions FN made? I though the New Haven factory closed in 2006 and the new model did not come out until 2008.

Ridgerunner665
June 26, 2012, 02:09 AM
NO...I believe New haven produced a model they called the "Classic"...which was also CRF. They did this right near the end and it did help sales some...but it was too late to save them.

Its hard to make sense of the details just from reading on the net so I may be wrong on that...but that is the way I understand it.

Ridgerunner665
June 26, 2012, 02:11 AM
An example...


http://www.shootersforum.com/rifles-rifle-cartridges/78267-winchester-model-70-featherweight-classic-280-a.html

Ridgerunner665
June 26, 2012, 02:13 AM
This too...

Model 70 Classic
In 1992, Winchester began producing a controlled round feed Model 70 that was marketed as the "Classic" model. This version reintroduced the CRF feature, while retaining the "anti-bind" locking lug groove bolt guide of the 1968 push feed model. The use of modern CNC manufacturing techniques allowed Winchester to re-introduce the CRF feature at a competitive price.
Around this time, Browning, which is owned by the same parent company as USRAC, Giat Corp, of France, introduced the BOSS accuracy system. The term ‘BOSS’ is an acronym for Ballistic Optimising Shooting System. The device attaches to the muzzle end of the barrel and allows the natural harmonics, commonly known as barrel whip, caused during the bullet’s passage down the bore, to be refined and controlled. By adjusting the device for optimum performance in the individual rifle, accuracy is brought to peak level. Winchester Model 70s equipped with the BOSS provide a significant improvement in accuracy for a production rifle. Currently, only Browning rifles are available with the BOSS.
Later, Winchester expanded the Classic line, putting the Classic action on all their modern stocks, giving a wide range of choice in rifle types. This basically lets the buyer choose an action, then choose a stock to one's liking. Both pre- and post-'64 versions of the Model 70 actions have their strengths and weaknesses.[8]


[edit]1992 Classic Model (Controlled Round Feed and Controlled Round Push Feed)
At the same time as the CRF feature was re-introduced, a recent innovation allowed the short extractor used on the post-'64 models to ride over the extraction groove on a cartridge, giving controlled feeding without the expense of the long Mauser type extractor. This was called Controlled Round Push Feed. This is achieved by the use of the post-'64 extractor, combined with the pre-'64 bolt face relieved at the bottom allowing the round to engage the bolt face from underneath.

Also...if it is a USRAC (New Haven) produced rifle, the serial number will start with "G".

Kachok
June 26, 2012, 02:25 AM
Well I doubt that they would still have an early 90s model for sale NIB especially since that store was built only three years ago. If I cannot find any issues with it I am fixing to own a new rifle, I really like stainless and that is about $300 less then other places I have seen them. I will be sure to post a range report once I get some handloads worked up.

Ridgerunner665
June 26, 2012, 02:29 AM
An early 90's model on a shelf wouldn't really surprise me at all...guns often set on shelves at distributor warehouses for quite some time.

My 30-06...bought new in late 2011...left SC in early 2009.

I'd say 20 years isn't common...but entirely within the realm of possibility. Maybe it just got shuffled to the bottom of the pile...a few times, LOL.

I don't know though...the serial number will tell you..."35xxx" for FN or "G" for New Haven...and that is for sure.

Kachok
June 26, 2012, 02:30 AM
I will double check the serial just in case, thanks for the info :D

Bobson
June 26, 2012, 02:35 AM
I've got a Win M70 Extreme Weather I bought earlier this year. Not the same specific model as the rifle in the OP, but presumably the same stainless barrel/action/bolt. I've had no issues whatsoever with my rifle. Couldn't be more pleased with it. I'm fairly certain my rifle was produced in the South Carolina plant, but to be certain, let me go check the serial number...

Serial Number is 35AMP#####. Interesting thing I never noticed. Right side of the barrel, right next to the beginning of the flutes, it's stamped:

- Model 70 * Extreme Weather SS -
-- Made in U.S.A. * Baco Inc.. Morgan, Utah --

...Baco Inc. Morgan, Utah??

Ridgerunner665
June 26, 2012, 02:37 AM
FN's corporate offices are in Utah.

Bobson
June 26, 2012, 02:43 AM
Makes sense. Thanks.

eastbank
June 26, 2012, 06:49 AM
my two left hand winchesters are crf and were bought just before winchester went out the last time. one is a stainless -walnut 270 and the other is a blue-walnut 7mm mag,both serial numbers start with G and are marked classic sporter. i think i paid 500.00 apiece OTD and are super shooting rifles,tho a little heavy. eastbank.

jmr40
June 26, 2012, 07:47 AM
Winchester bought back their "Classic" with CRF in 1992 and made both pushfeed standard models as well as the CRF Classics until they closed in 2006. When FN resumed production in 2008 they dropped the PF rifles from production and only make CRF rifles.

If you can find one of the Classics it is my opinion that they are the preferred version. I have 2 stainless Classics in 30-06, one is a Featherweight, the other a Sporter. Also have one in 300 WSM as well as an FN produced EW in 308.

The older Classics used the older, bulletproof trigger which I prefer. The new guns use a different enclosed trigger. It works fine, I just prefer the older trigger. As do many others.

If it is an older Classic it will have "MADE IN NEW HAVEN CT. USA" stamped on the left side of the barrel. Newer guns have "MADE IN USA. BACO INC. MORGAN UTAH" stamped on the right side of the barrel. Both are good guns. They did offer the Featherweight in stainless and walnut in both the Classic and the newer FN guns. I'm guessing this is a Classic. The new FN made stainless FW's are hard to find and expensive.

jmr40
June 26, 2012, 07:55 AM
Just to add. The stainless Classic FW I own was just bought about 2 months ago NIB. It was made in 1999. I cut the hangtags off the gun. I bought from an individual at a gunshow for $700 OTD and felt that was a fair price since a new producton stainless rifle would be nearer $1,000. And with the older trigger design I consider it a better gun.

adelbridge
June 26, 2012, 03:01 PM
I have bought NIB guns from guys off forums, walking around gun shows etc. They bought stuff to add to their collection and never got around to shooting it or kept it factory fresh as an investment.

1858
June 26, 2012, 08:46 PM
Serial Number is 35AMP#####. Interesting thing I never noticed. Right side of the barrel, right next to the beginning of the flutes, it's stamped:

- Model 70 * Extreme Weather SS -
-- Made in U.S.A. * Baco Inc.. Morgan, Utah --

...Baco Inc. Morgan, Utah??

I bought a Model 70 Extreme Weather SS about a month ago and mine has the same markings as yours. I'm very pleased with the rifle.

Flatbush Harry
June 27, 2012, 02:13 AM
BACO, Inc is "Browning Arms Company, the subsidiary of FN Herstal that currently has the rights to the Winchester name. Brownings headquarters were in Morgan, Utah. The guns are assembled in FN's plant in South Carolina from parts manufactured in the US at other FN facilities. I have a Win M70 EW in .30-06 that I bought last year...it is a wonderful rifle.

FH

YJake
June 27, 2012, 09:15 AM
I bought an FN made M70 Featherweight last week for a song and it is a gorgeous rifle! Fine bluing, wood, smooth action, and a good price to boot!

Now I just need an optic...

-Jake

porktornado
June 27, 2012, 01:30 PM
pardon my ignorance, as i feel this will be a "duh" moment after someone responds, but what is "FN"?

~Abstract~
June 27, 2012, 01:55 PM
Used in a sentence...


These FN ribs are dee-lish-us.

jmr40
June 27, 2012, 02:28 PM
pardon my ignorance, as i feel this will be a "duh" moment after someone responds, but what is "FN"?


FN is short for Fabrique National. They are the Belgain company that is the parent company of Winchester and Browning.

Winchester actually went out of business in 1980. The name was bought out by a group of investers who owned the compny and used the same factory up until 2006. Winchesters made 1980 up until about 2000 or so are actually "United States Repeating Arms Co." guns. Many have the USRAC logo on them.

FN bought the company sometime in the late 90's or early 2000. Because of a variety of reasons they closed the New Haven CT factory in 2006. There were no Winchesters made until 2008 when FN stared making them at their factory in South Carolina where they make machine guns for the military.

The FN made guns are by far the best quality of any of the Winchesters out of the box. Including the pre-64's. They did change the trigger to a different design in 2008 and I prefer the old trigger. The 1992-2006 guns sometimes have some issues, but it is a solid design. If you get a 1992-2006 gun and have a few minor details straighted out you will have a fine rifle. The new versions are great out of the box.

porktornado
June 27, 2012, 03:09 PM
abstract- i can't stop laughing about that! LOL

jmr40- thank you for that info! that is a wealth of knowledge for me. very grateful...

Kachok
June 30, 2012, 12:40 AM
Picking up my new 70 tomorrow, getting a featherweight 308 for under $500, don't ask me how :D I opted for the 308 over the 270 because of the 22" barrels, I like longer barrels on 270s and other overbore cartrages. Short action is a bit lighter too.

longrange308
June 30, 2012, 12:46 AM
Picking up my new 70 tomorrow, getting a featherweight 308 for under $500, don't ask me how :D I opted for the 308 over the 270 because of the 22" barrels, I like longer barrels on 270s and other overbore cartrages. Short action is a bit lighter too.
Nice choice, you will love that FNH-USA action. I have a featherweight as well in .308 its a great little rifle. I've had mine for two years its my primary deer rifle.

Kachok
June 30, 2012, 01:00 AM
I am going to work up some 168gr Ballistic tip loads and some 165gr SGKs and hit the range as soon as I can get some time off of work. I am dying to see how well I can get it to group. Will keep everyone posted. Not expecting Tikka level groups but if I can hone it down to 1/2"-3/4" with hunting bullets I will be happy as a clam.

jmr40
June 30, 2012, 08:50 AM
I bought one in 308 used 2 years ago and it has become my favorite rifle. I did replace the factory stock with a McMillan Edge which took another 1/2 lb off the weight.

I experimented with both RL-15 and Varget and get great accuracy with both. The Varget gives me about 25 fps more speed with equal accuracy so I've settled on that powder.

46 gr with 165's is giving me 2750 fps with the accuracy you are looking for. 47 gr with 150's is running at about 2890 with equal accuracy. I've been experimenting with 130 TTSX bullets at around 3050 fps. I need to tweak something here. Accuracy is OK, but not under 1" yet.

I think you will really like this one.

I've had Tikka's in the past and would highly recommend one to someone looking for a rifle. I sold mine, not because I didn't like it, but only because I had other rifles that were just as accurate that I liked slightly better. Can't keep all the toys.

Kachok
June 30, 2012, 08:55 AM
Those are the two powders I was planning on picking up today, great minds think alike :D I want to find some Lapua brass, but they have been sold out everywhere around here. I'll probably settle on Rem brass, it has done well in my 270 short mag and my 30-06

Kachok
July 1, 2012, 12:30 AM
Just got my new model 70 Featherweight home :D topped it with a Nikon Buckmaster BDC 3-9x40 and tied with a Super sling. Great looking gun! Will post pics and range report as soon as I can get it to Stix River.

JustinNC
July 2, 2012, 10:56 AM
Just checked out the Winchester 70s yesterday.

I shouldered and fondled Remington 700 CDLs, Savages of all shapes and sizes, a Tikka, a Howa, and the Winchester. The Winchester wasn't on my list to look at but it WILL be the next gun in my safe. If I can get 1" or so grouping, I could care less about sub MOA crap. If it shoots 1.5" at 100, then 4.5" at 300.....IF i even shoot that far, is fine by me. The pro's of the fit and finish above the others more than makes up for a slightly less accurate rifle that in the end, makes no difference in the deer woods. If it shoots worse than 1.5", we might worry, but I can't see a reason not to get it if you just want a nice feeling, nice smoooooooooth action, rifle to HUNT with, not bench rest.

Kachok
July 3, 2012, 10:42 PM
Oh yeah, I bought mine for hunting for sure, If I was looking for another range king I would buy a Savage 12 series or a Tikka Varmiter. My 70 is so smooth and ergonomic I don't need one hole groups for it to earn a place in my safe. A+ fit and finnish!

Ridgerunner665
July 3, 2012, 11:32 PM
I shot my 70 a few times today with the loads tweaked a bit since last time...if you guys 70's shoot anything like mine....you will be pleasantly surprised! ;)

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