Is this all i need to start reloading shotgun shells?


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dbrown
June 26, 2012, 02:58 AM
- Winchester Once-Fired AA 12-Ga. Shotshell Hulls
-Lee Load-All 2 Shotshell Press
-Federal Primers #209A Shotshell
-Shot of my choice( either 00 buckshot or 7 1/2 shot)
- Powder ( i looking for some powder for shooting 00 buckshot and 7 1/2 shot. anyone have any recommendations)
-Winchester Shotshell Wads 12 Gauge WAA12

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blarby
June 26, 2012, 03:01 AM
Pretty much covers it :)

Something to mount the press to, like a board, helps.

2 clamps to hold that board to another surface is good....its gonna need a lip...the mounting screws some out the bottom.

dbrown
June 26, 2012, 03:03 AM
I'm looking to find some powder but cant find witch one i want.

blarby
June 26, 2012, 03:14 AM
I'm looking to find some powder but cant find witch one i want.

http://www.hodgdon.com/

Not sure whatcha wanna load, so thats the best I can do.

If its shot, with those hulls, I'd use Universal.

Some else will chime in shortly with something else....followed by more recommendations.

your equipment is fine.

FWIW- you will find a lot more Remington STS/Gunclub hulls lying around than you will winchester AA....just a thought. ( I collect them weekly...I find so few AA that I just pitch them...I have bags and bags of Remington Gunclub type hulls as they use the STS/Gunclub hull for many types of shells.)

dbrown
June 26, 2012, 03:21 AM
http://www.hodgdon.com/

Not sure whatcha wanna load, so thats the best I can do.

If its shot, with those hulls, I'd use Universal.

Some else will chime in shortly with something else....followed by more recommendations.

your equipment is fine.

FWIW- you will find a lot more Remington STS/Gunclub hulls lying around than you will winchester AA....just a thought. ( I collect them weekly...I find so few AA that I just pitch them...I have bags and bags of Remington Gunclub type hulls as they use the STS/Gunclub hull for many types of shells.)

I either want to reload 00 buckshot or 1 1/8 oz. 7 1/2 shot

Bobson
June 26, 2012, 04:41 AM
Quick side question on shotshell reloading. What's the average number of times a shotshell can be reloaded? I always assumed it would be only a couple times or so, but never knew for sure.

jaguarxk120
June 26, 2012, 07:59 AM
If you have the press now, OK, but if you have to buy one then look for a MEC 600Jr. They can be found used for a good price and will last forever.

au_prospector
June 26, 2012, 08:26 AM
http://www.alliantpowder.com/reloaders/default.aspx

Alliant website for shotshell recipes.

You will need to know how much shot your wad's shot cup will hold. You will need to find a recipe which matches exactly the components you intend to use to optimize your crimp and to avoid excessive pressures. For example using your components 2 3/4 Winchester AA hulls with a Federal 209A primer and a Winchester AA wad (1 1/8 ounce shotcup) can use 17 grains of RedDot giving approx 1150 fps and 10,600 barrel psi.

I use a Lee Load All II and you need to know a couple things.
1) Read the manual, get one if you dont have one.
2) The powder bushings will drop consistently as long as you keep the powder reservoir full beyond the staging funnel.
3) The powder bushings will NOT drop the exact amount of powder referenced in the table. Mine drops light. Use a scale to figure out which bushing you really need, dont assume the table is correct. (different powders, because of their size and shape drop differently)
4) Looking down on the shell at the crimp, the fold pointing toward the center of the shell must be pointing away from you when you pre-crimp the shell as explained in the manual. It is the only way to get a good crimp. Also notice there are two pre crimp dies, one for 6 point and one for 8 point.

This is a good set up to start with, I can get between 3 and 4 boxes per hour with my set up and I haven't been doing it for very long.

jaguarxk120
June 26, 2012, 09:52 AM
Should you want to upgrade or not like loading shotshells and want to sell the loadall, you will play hell selling it. There are only a few people that want that lind of loading machine. The MEC has a proven track record and there are thousands of MEC loaders out in service today. Selling a used MEC loader is very easy.

au_prospector
June 26, 2012, 10:35 AM
New ones at Midway are about $50. Mine was free so I went with it and will use it till it breaks which might be soon because it is old.

They are an inexpensive way to see if you really want to reload shotshells. In 12 gauge the components are costly enough that it might not compete much with the $5 box target loads at Sportsman Warehouse. But if your doing it for the fun, then price is nothing.

Use it for a while to decide if you like it enough to upgrade to a MEC loader which are very nice BTW. Then dump your used Lee Load All on EBAY for $30, or on the classifieds this forum for that matter. Your out $20 max and you get to practice on a machine that shows you exactly the process/steps of loading a shotshell by hand.

Cant beat it IMO.

dbrown
June 26, 2012, 01:33 PM
Does anyone like the hodgdon universal for reloading shotgun?

Uniquedot
June 26, 2012, 01:38 PM
- Winchester Once-Fired AA 12-Ga. Shotshell Hulls
-Lee Load-All 2 Shotshell Press
-Federal Primers #209A Shotshell
-Shot of my choice( either 00 buckshot or 7 1/2 shot)
- Powder ( i looking for some powder for shooting 00 buckshot and 7 1/2 shot. anyone have any recommendations)
-Winchester Shotshell Wads 12 Gauge WAA12

The most important thing you need BEFORE choosing a powder is a couple of shotshell loading manuals. Lyman's 5th edition is the best place to start. Be aware that you are using high pressure hulls, wads, and primers. As far as the press you have, it's a good press regardless of what some will tell you. It loads new hulls better than the mec is capable of regardless of whether you have the newer mec plastic starters or the brass starters. I use a mec sizemaster and several load alls and have used all of them for years.

If you want a stronger press in the future you can sell the load all on ebay for more than a new one cost. Ponsness Warren makes the best single stage loaders, but they don't resize as well as a mec sizemaster or stand alone supersizer.

If you intend to use all the hull, primer, wad combinations you listed using a charge table make sure you use the bushing called for even though 99% of the time it will throw lighter than stated.

Uniquedot
June 26, 2012, 01:40 PM
Does anyone like the hodgdon universal for reloading shotgun?

Universal is hodgdon's answer to unique. I like it and it meters well, but i prefer unique. Get a manual first and then you'll know what powder to buy for the loads you want. For buckshot loads reloading for shotgunners 5th edition is a good book to have, but the shot data is hard to follow in that edition unless it's been reformatted.

Quick side question on shotshell reloading. What's the average number of times a shotshell can be reloaded? I always assumed it would be only a couple times or so, but never knew for sure.

With hulls designed for reloading like the AA's (old style) or sts expect 10 to 12 loads, but it does depend on the load.

BYJO4
June 26, 2012, 01:42 PM
Shotshell loading is very specific to the componets used. I suggest getting a Lyman Shotshell manual as it offers numerous loads with a large number of componet combinations. Also, websites of powder manufactures will give you a number of options. You just have to decide on what componets you want to use and follow the load instructions.

rcmodel
June 26, 2012, 01:55 PM
Unique & Universal are used in heavy field loads like 1 1/4 oz & 1 3/8 oz.

Both are too slow to use for 1 1/8 oz or less.

rc

Uniquedot
June 26, 2012, 02:15 PM
Unique & Universal are used in heavy field loads like 1 1/4 oz & 1 3/8 oz.

Both are too slow to use for 1 1/8 oz or less.

Unique and universal shine with 1 1/8 oz Field loads. For target loads of up to 1 1/8 oz red dot, green dot, clays etc is the way to go.

Unique and universal can't do better than standard velocities in 1 1/4 to 1 3/8 loads. For faster loads in this range you need a slower powder like 800x, herco, blue dot etc.

USSR
June 26, 2012, 03:19 PM
Agree with rcmodel, you are generally looking for faster powders for normal 1-1/8 ounce 12 gauge loads than you will use for buckshot loads.

Don

Uniquedot
June 26, 2012, 03:32 PM
Agree with rcmodel, you are generally looking for faster powders for normal 1-1/8 ounce 12 gauge loads than you will use for buckshot loads.

Don

If you are after loads in the 1145 fps range for target loads you use a faster powder, but unique and universal are standard field load powders for 1 1/8 oz loads in the 1310 fps range. They can do no better than standard factory velocities with heavier loads such as 1 1/4 oz at 1220 fps. (sure there are some exceptions) If he want's heavier charges then he will need a slower powder. If he wants target loads he needs a faster powder it's as simple as that.

4895
June 26, 2012, 05:23 PM
Blue Dot powder is a great choice for heavy, hot field loads.

NuJudge
June 26, 2012, 06:10 PM
The one piece of equipment I don't see on your list is a scale. You need to verify that the bushing you choose is actually dropping what you want.

huntsman
June 26, 2012, 06:33 PM
HS-6 for buckshot and heavy field loads

oneounceload
June 26, 2012, 07:36 PM
You need a scale
You will not be able to use any reloader for dropping buckshot - they need to be placed into the hull by hand
The LLA II is crap, a used MEC jr. is 100X better
Alliant and Hodgdon both have recipes plug in your wad and hull style - you should be able to find a powder charge that will work for 1-1/8 oz loads

oneounceload
June 26, 2012, 07:39 PM
Quick side question on shotshell reloading. What's the average number of times a shotshell can be reloaded? I always assumed it would be only a couple times or so, but never knew for sure.

Win AA or Remington STS/Gun Club hulls can easily be reloaded 10 times or more if loading basic target loads. If you are loading uber-hot loads, about 2-5

Euro-trash hulls like Cheddite, RIO, or cheap Federal hulls - with the right components - maybe 1-2 times

T Bran
June 26, 2012, 08:02 PM
Dont knock the old Loadall to harshly yes it is a rough sloppy ill conceived machine but mine has loaded untold thousands of perfectly acceptable shells since 1979 or so and is still going.
As for MEC I really like the ability to fine tune the crimp on my 600 Jr and it is a fine machine but I havent loaded a fraction of what was loaded on the old Loadall yet so the jury is still out.
Use what you have and you will learn to use it well just dont forget to have fun doing it.
A shotshell loading manual will be the better investment as opposed to another press since you can only run one at a time.
T

splattergun
June 26, 2012, 08:42 PM
You need a scale
absolutely true with any loader.

"The LLA II is crap, a used MEC jr. is 100X better"
Absolutely not true. Take any blanket statement like this with a grain of salt. Shells loaded on my LLA II 'crapped' the geese in my freezer. I don't load a case of shells each week. If you plan to load for competition, then you may want to upgrade. My LLA II works quite well for my needs. Read the instructions, you'll be fine.

Alliant and Hodgdon both have recipes plug in your wad and hull style - you should be able to find a powder charge that will work for 1-1/8 oz loads
Quite right.

I like Unique or Universal for smaller shot, Longshot for bigger stuff.

oneounceload
June 26, 2012, 09:55 PM
I started, way before the internet, with a LLA II. For loading anything with any consistency, it is the wrong tool.

The difference between even a simple MEC Jr. and a LLA II is more than night and day. Wad pressure adjustments, sizing adjustments, crimp adjustments are all possible with a MEC and not possible with the LLAII.

When someone wants to try loading different loadings and experimenting, having those abilities to adjust things is critical

USSR
June 26, 2012, 10:05 PM
If you are after loads in the 1145 fps range for target loads you use a faster powder, but unique and universal are standard field load powders for 1 1/8 oz loads in the 1310 fps range. They can do no better than standard factory velocities with heavier loads such as 1 1/4 oz at 1220 fps. (sure there are some exceptions) If he want's heavier charges then he will need a slower powder. If he wants target loads he needs a faster powder it's as simple as that.

Sorry Uniquedot, but there ain't nothing I'm gonna kill with a 1-1/8 ounce load, that won't be killed by a 1250fps load. Plus, the ability to shoot a lot of trap and skeet points to using powders such as Solo 1000 and 700-X for 1-1/8 ounce loads.

Don

jaguarxk120
June 27, 2012, 11:41 AM
Follow what oneounceload recommends, he's been doing this a long time.

Uniquedot
June 27, 2012, 12:04 PM
Sorry Uniquedot, but there ain't nothing I'm gonna kill with a 1-1/8 ounce load, that won't be killed by a 1250fps load. Plus, the ability to shoot a lot of trap and skeet points to using powders such as Solo 1000 and 700-X for 1-1/8 ounce loads.

Don
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Well then where's the problem with unique? It's good for 1 1/8 oz loads at 1200 fps it's great for those loads at 1250 fps and it's excellent for those loads at 1310 fps. It's not quite as efficient at the lower speeds, but it's a heck of a lot more versatile if he isn't planning on loads lighter than 1 1/8 oz. So why give bad advice to someone who is asking for advice? i suppose once he obtains a loading manual or two he will find all this out for himself or he could probably just as easily visit Alliant's website and find some of those loads as there are literally tons of published loads available for unique in the 1 1/8 oz loading from 1200 to 1300+ fps. I consider unique pretty worthless for anything over 1 1/4 oz though. Where it shines is with 1 1/8 to 1 1/4 oz. field loads. For 1 3/8 i like herco or 800x and anything over that i start with blue dot.

I don't use solo 1000, but i do use 700x for some 1 0z. loads, but loading 1 1/8 at 1250 with 700x is running at max pressures which is a good thing for some autoloaders, but anywhere i can get the same or better performance at lower pressures i do.

I personally like the efficiency of green dot for 1 1/8 oz loads when i want faster loads than red dot with lower pressures, but unique is admirable in the load and he can also use it in his buckshot loads.

oneounceload
June 28, 2012, 11:44 AM
And if you like Unique, Universal Clays is another powder to consider - burns a little cleaner than Unique

Uniquedot
June 28, 2012, 01:28 PM
And if you like Unique, Universal Clays is another powder to consider - burns a little cleaner than Unique

The reason i stopped using universal was simply because it wasn't made in the USA. I have not compared it to the newer unique though and the last time i purchased it was when unique was still Hercule's (if i recall correctly, but it could just be several years before they cleaned up unique) and that stuff was pretty nasty back then. Is universal cleaner than the newer unique? it doesn't seem to be to me, but i have not compared them. I do actually have some of the last universal that i bought, and have loaded a few slugs with it not too long ago, but i ended up giving those to someone else.

daveruybal
June 28, 2012, 01:31 PM
It would be wise to get a reloading manual and do some good reading before setting out. I recommend Lyman Shotshell reloading 5th edition. This will give you insight into "why" you're choosing your components, which is probably more helpful than someone just telling you what to buy and use.

Uniquedot
June 28, 2012, 02:12 PM
This will give you insight into "why" you're choosing your components, which is probably more helpful than someone just telling you what to buy and use.

You can't ask for any better advice than this.

blarby
June 28, 2012, 05:22 PM
Lees tables tend to favor a little on the light side, but this should get you started.

They are all safe.

You will get these with your load-all, So I'm just giving them to you in advance for study.


You will find that some persons are only capable of repeating what is in their load-manuals for specific clay busting loads at X distance with Y loads.

Some will offer you more advice- both publicly and via private messaging, about the truer nature of shotshell reloading- as in what is really possible and safe, and what isn't.

Like all free advice- choose your sources wisely, and with a reasoned grain of salt.

jojo200517
June 28, 2012, 07:52 PM
Right now i'm only using universal for my birdshot and buckshot loads. I haven't experimented with any of the others yet. I bought a big ass can of it because it can be used for pistol powder too, tho I still haven't got a pistol reloading setup yet. :(

As far as some things you may still need. Some kinda funnel, for loading powder and shot into the machine (no need for anything fancy but it needs to be clean). A scale to check your charge drops to ensure they are correct. Load data for the loads you are wanting to create. Make sure you got the right wad, primer, hull, powder charge, and shot charge combos on the data for the loads. Don't assume anything and stick to the data given.

Also if you don't have a relatively tall work surface something to set on will be essential. And good lighting also.

oneounceload
June 28, 2012, 09:28 PM
You are correct in that Universal can be used for pistol - if I do not have Unique, I use Universal for everything from 32 ACP to 45 ACP

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