[9 m&m]

What is the STUPIDEST, DUMBEST thing you have ever heard anyone say about any kind of gun??????? Ya, know the *.223 tumbles through the air* stuff. :D :rolleyes:

[strambo]

When I was in the Army in Alaska, the Officers in our company took what ended up being a 20-30 mile trek through the mountains (not an "official" training event). I'm no hunter, but I knew enough to bring a .44mag with some 300gr hard cast handloads should a Griz want ta eat us - and I felt a little "undergunned."

One of our fellow Officers felt well armed with an HK USP in a thigh rig (suprised he didn't lose it...he eventually put it in his ruck). When I asked him about the gun he said "yeah, its loaded with .45 hydrashocks, those hollowpoints will really stop a Bear."

I didn't have the heart to disagree, besides he would be a useful distraction for the Bear while one of us others made the real shot. By the way another Officer had a .44 Ruger SRH and the CO had a pistol grip 12GA with slugs.

P.S. We were in the Chugach forest near Anchorage so we wouldn't have been dealin' with small interior bears...his usp might have almost worked on those! Alas we saw no Bears... too bad, I wanted to see some, at a distance!

[Mark Tyson]

That's not that bad. I read in a book once that the 5.56mm can amputate human limbs.

[Zach S]

Glock 7 - 'Nuff said.

[Devonai]

This discussion is already going on here (http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=66220).

[bpisler]

Overheard in a local gunshop,
clerk, 357 mag is the way to go
lady, why's that?
clerk,hydrostatic shock!!
lady,whats that?
clerk,thats the effect that a fast moving slug like the 357 mag has on the internal organs
lady,wow that sound great!
clerk,even if they are wearing a bullet proof vast the shock will kill them!

[Slimjim]

and the CO had a pistol grip 12GA with slugs.

Im glad that some of the other guys brought a gun for bear, you could let this guy beat the bear to death after he breaks his ribs from firing that shotgun.

[cratz2]

I usually avoid these types of threads as everyone has heard many outlandish claims and theories and I must admit that the fact that many of the people making these claims actually own and carry guns every day... I find it somewhat... unnerving. But just yesterday I was in a gun shop and I heard so many things I was just overwhelmed. I admit the gunshop I frequent the most has a shop owner that can be... ornery. If someone says something just outrageous and totally without merit, he will say so... Oftentimes in not so pleasant terms. But this shop was a different one.

First of all, an employee said he wouldn't consider owning a Colt, RRA or Armalite AR over a Bushmaster because only Bushmaster has a government contract and there must be a very good reason they have the only contract. :rolleyes:

Same guy was talking about a 50BMG they had on the rack and he was making the typical claims about how you can blow up a tank with it or shoot an airplane down with it and this customer said he didn't need anything like that because he already had a 300 Ultra Mag. He went on to describe how he 'could kill you from a mile away with it' but he'd only put 5 rounds through it because of all the recoil and that it probably wasn't sighted in yet. Now how the hell is someone gonna make a one mile shot with a rifle he's only shot five times and isn't sighted in yet? Again... :rolleyes:

Same customer was there to buy his wife or girlfriend a home defense gun... Not going to be carried, it was going to be kept in her bedroom. Another employee (not the AR guy) was suggesting a Glock or an XD in 40. The customer was wanting to get her a 2" Smith & Wesson 357 Magnum and was really looking at one of the Airweight guns (whatever it was, it cost about $700). Now I don't mind recoil and I've shot a lot of big guns and I don't like shooting hot 38 Special loads out of those 15 Oz or less guns. This lady was not large and she was not experienced with guns. The only term she seemed to know were 'Glock' and 'shoot'. Honestly, she didn't seem comfortable in the store at all.

Last thing the same customer was asking about the BFG in .500. Said he had been wanting a new Desert Eagle in 50 but was waiting for the prices to drop... on new Desert Eagles. Anyway, he said that he might just get the BFG since it was the same caliber. I wanted to point out that while it was the same caliber, it was most definately a different cartridge. but I didn't.

Also heard from another employee of how KelTec makes the most reliable guns on the market right now (referring specifically to a used P11) and how they never jam and if you have a misfire, you can just pull the trigger again to make it shoot... No KelTec I've handled was like that.

And the employee talking the AR was carrying a 1911 with the hammer down. I was afraid to ask if a round was chambered.

:cuss:

[Frank5]

I was at a gun counter when a non gun type who was looking to get a handgun was looking at a .38 snub. He was asking about the process of getting a carry permit while examining the revolver. He said that he would feel safer with "a little something" when hiking.

He then said that he worries about meeting up with a bear in the woods & asked how the .38 snub would do. I told him that although the the gun may be OK for 2 legged threats; it was not sufficient for bears, even black bears. He said "really....are you sure?"

Me : If you're going to carry it for bear protection,to file off the front sight & hammer spur.

Him : OK....but why??

ME : So when the bear takes it & shoves up your azz,it won,t hurt as much.

He starts chuckling & says....."OK, I guess it's not enough gun."

We suggested he take a basic handgun handeling course offered near by before getting the gun or carry permit.

[Samurai Penguin]

I read in a book once that the 5.56mm can amputate human limbs.

I read the same thing about Glaser Safety Slugs...:rolleyes:

[charleym3]

I overheard a sales clerk telling someone thinking about getting a 1911 that "even if a bad guy does get it away from you, he won't be able to shoot you with it because he won't know how to hold it correctly so that the grip safety is disengaged."

In another store I asked if they had a Ruger .357/9mm convertable. The guy behind the counter started looking at Ruger autos. No no, it's a single action revolver. He says that they don't make such a thing. Some of you who know me might not believe this, but I politely asked if there was someone else I could talk to who knew a little more about hand guns. :rolleyes:

[TechBrute]

after he breaks his ribs from firing that shotgun. There's one.

[spartacus2002]

A newsie once said that Malvo and Mohammed's AR15 was more deadly than the average assault rifle because its bullets SPIN!!!

:banghead: :banghead:

[Don Gwinn]

A guy I work with at my second job (Best Buy) was trying to explain to me why people don't need assault weapons.

He knows all about guns, you understand, and he does NOT want to take away anyone's guns. His son and his son-in-law both hunt, so that should settle that.

Anyway, assault weapons should be banned because they hold so many rounds.
Well, actually it's because they can be fired so fast.
No, no, my mistake, it's because they are so much more powerful than "normal guns" (keep in mind, in Illinois, that's a 12-ga. shotgun loaded with slugs. Deer medicine)
Well, OK, actually, it's because they fire at such high velocity compared to normal guns.
All right, fine, the real reason is that everyone is entitled to his opinion!

I just kept smiling and offering nicely to take him to the range and let him fire the guns he was talking about so he could see for himself. Each time I did, his reason changed. Eventually, he simply retreated to "everyone is entitled to his opinion, but. . . . ." and trailed off without finishing the sentence.

I wasn't trying to browbeat the poor guy, but you are only entitled to speak your opinions. You are NOT entitled to have your opinions treated with deference regardless of their basis in fact or total lack thereof.

[another48hrs]

On a reality tv show a forensics expert picks up a s&w N-frame and says "That's what I thought a 45 magnum."

[PATH]

That pistol is an AUTOMATIC RIGHT! :( sigh!

Yes, and you can shoot with one in each hand just like in the movies!:rolleyes:

[444]

"I read in a book once that the 5.56mm can amputate human limbs."

After having seen the wounds of several people shot with one, it wouldn't surprise me in the least.

[iapetus]

How about:

UK government/Ministry of Defence:
"The SA80 is a good, reliable weapon".

[Slimjim]

I thought id make a comment to add to the thread.

But yes, Firing slugs out of a pistol grip shotgun, isnt terribly smart.

[Skunkabilly]

Everyone telling me that a Benelli is going to knock over a guy my size.

Tacticality is a force multiplier.

[strambo]

But yes, Firing slugs out of a pistol grip shotgun, isnt terribly smart.

I hear ya and don't doubt it. The pistol grip was for portability and he would have gotten off one shot! I have never shot a pistol grip 12ga and don't plan on it. :what: :o I prefer pistolgripey pistols 'an riflestockey rifles.:cool:

[techmike]

"What's wrong with a 9mm?"

LOLOL


Just kidding don't hurt me.:D :neener: :evil:

[TechBrute]

Everyone telling me that a Benelli is going to knock over a guy my size. That's almost laughable. The Benelli M1 is the closest thing to a 12 gauge for wimps that there is.

[TechBrute]

Gratuitous "wimpy" Benelli shot...
http://www.thehighroad.org/attachment.php?s=&postid=819465

[son of a gun]

Originally posted by mixtli:
I know this sounds really dumb, but I heard that soldiers in WWI loaded bullets in their rifle backwards to fire at tanks because they could actually pierce the armor. I don't see how the bullet would fire nor how it would penetrate armor. I recently picked up an old book called Men Against Tanks, and its a very interesting look at anti-tank warfare, but it made no mention of backwards bullets which leads me to believe what I heard was bull????. What does everyone think?

http://www.totse.com/bbs/Forum29/HTML/002717.html

[TechBrute]

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I hear ya and don't doubt it. The pistol grip was for portability and he would have gotten off one shot! I have never shot a pistol grip 12ga and don't plan on it. I prefer pistolgripey pistols 'an riflestockey rifles.
Good grief people... are you all 42 pound wimps?

Actually, scratch that, my 80+- lb friend shot my pistol grip mossy. While she didn't find it pleasurable, she didn't break anything, fall over, get a stroke, or whatever. Just so you bid bad men can feel really good about yourselves, she's 4'11 and looks like the poster child for eating disorders. She had no problem with a variety of loads, including a 3" sabot slug. And no, she's not an experienced shooter.

It's funny that in this thread to poke fun of dumb gun comments, we have a little sub-thread about the big, bad pistol grip shotguns that's generating dumb gun comments. Strambo, you say you've never experienced a pistol grip shotgun, but you feel inclined to comment that he'd get off "one shot." What makes you say that?

[cratz2]

When you guys are talking about shooting hotter loads in pistol grip shotguns, you are doing so with the shotgun low slung... sort of to your shooting side with arms extended so that both arms swing when firing?

I hope you guys aren't talking about holding it like a rifle-stocked shotung and actually aiming with the sights...

Am I right? Am I crazy? Are you crazy?

[Joe Demko]

Used to own a Mossberg cruiser pistol grip 12 gauge. Fired all kinds of loads out of it. Some, like "goose loads", are pretty spirited. Slugs are no big deal. BTW, the best way to fire it is to bring it up and point it as if it had a shoulder stock, if you like hitting things any way.. The key, of course, is to remember to hold on to it.

I don't have it any more because my 120 lb. first wife got it as part of the divorce and is, to this day, still shooting the hell out of it.

[zahc]

After having seen the wounds of several people shot with one, it wouldn't surprise me in the least.

Me either. I groundhog hunt, seen damage, do not doubt it at all.

[ChopperKen]

I have 2 pistol grip 12 gauges, a mossy 500 w/ 18.5" barrel
and a old 12G Double barrel.
I'm not that big and have no trouble with either one(unless I pull both triggers at once on the double)
I shoot from the hip because of a old shoulder injury.(not from the shotguns)
I enjoy seeing the look on peoples faces when I shoot clays at the gun club:D
Ken

[artherd]

had a 300 Ultra Mag. He went on to describe how he 'could kill you from a mile away with it'

Well, shooter skill aside, check out the #26 issue of Special Weapons (for law enforcement.) There's a documented shot at 2,000yds (over 1 mile) from a .300RUM.

I bet the guy doing the talking would have trouble hitting paper at 100 however.

[13xx]

my first gun was a rem870 w/ a pistol grip and at the time i was 18 and 130 lbs and the first shot i put through it was a 3" mag slug. while it was a bit painful on the wrist i continued to shoot the same shells for well over 2 hours until i ran out :( my buddy regulary shoots his moss500 with pistol grip with one hand (hes 6'3" and close to 300lbs though)

but as far as the whole pistol grip pump issue unless you have tried it dont knock it. its rather fun once you get over the swelling.

[JohnKSa]

I remember seeing an episode of Cops where a gun was confiscated.

The cop who got to do the honors struggled with it awhile and finally managed to drop the mag and eject the round in the chamber. He held the 9mm shot shell up to the camera. (Why anyone would carry a 9mm loaded with shot shells, I don't know.)

Anyway, he held the shot shell up to the camera and said: "Look, it's teflon coated! This is one of those cop killer bullets."

[BluesBear]

Excuse me for deviating from the pistol-grip shotgun hi-jack.

While browsing one of my local gun shops, one of the salesmen who knows I like older S&W revolvers shows me a nice 6" Model 53.
He brings out the original box to show me the rimfire inserts and I ask him if it comes with the auxillary .22LR cylinder. He replies that S&W didn't make an aux cylinder for the Model 53. I assured him they did.

While he is insisting that it NEVER happened, he is plucking the chamber inserts out of their little cut-outs.
The 6 little cut-outs that are located right BELOW the cylinder cut-out. :banghead:

[Gewehr98]

Either "Ultimate Shotgun" as used to describe a certain pimped-out Remington 870

or

"Assault Rifle/Weapon" as used to describe semiauto weapons that look like their selective-fire military cousins.

[Gewehr98]

http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=57884&highlight=pistol+grip+shotgun

http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=10448&highlight=folding+stock

[Orion]

The ceramic Glock can be dis-assembled and sneaked on a plane. However only the secret service carry those so noone can tell who they are even when they're going through a metal detector.

Yeah, ceramic Glock has gotta be my favorite. Or...The Beretta is a more eliable weapon than the 1911 or the SIG P-226.

[Mark Tyson]

Either "Ultimate Shotgun" as used to describe a certain pimped-out Remington 870

Oh come on, let him have his fun.

Anyway, I also saw the cops episode in question where the cop expresses dismay at a teflon coated "cop killer" bullet.

A cop friend of mine expressed the same sentiments once. I said "You know, I think teflon is just to protect the barrel." He says: "Well it does that also . . ." That was when I was not a gun nut per se, and didn't know a lot about guns in general, but I did know what teflon was really for at least.

Same thing with an otherwise knowledgeable gun person when commenting on some Moly tipped bullets I was shooting through a Rem 700 P. "Those are armor-piercing!" he exclaims. I said "No, they help protect your barrel." He says "Oh yeah, that too . . ."

Now I'm not knocking his firearms knowledge. He can run rings around me when it comes to handguns. We all say stupid things, I'm sure. Hell, I didn't know the difference between a double action and single action handgun until not too long ago! I'd just never owned a snigle action before. It's good to remain humble.

[Lobotomy Boy]

You shouldn't be surprised to hear otherwise knowledgeable people say the occasional stupid commments. There are a lot of old wive's tales that refuse to die. I grew up around guns and spent as much time as possible hunting, target shooting, and collected guns most of my first thirty years (got my first .22 when I was 5). I moved to a city when I was 30 and lost interest in those things for about 8 years. When I got back into it, I started doing some serious studying on the subject. I was amazed to learn how much that passed as common wisdom among the masses of gun owners was just plain wrong.

[Lobotomy Boy]

That's funny about not knowing the difference between double and single action. As a kid I spent a lot of time shooting a WWII-era military 1911. I also owned a Luger and a number of .22LR autoloading handguns, but my primary interest was revolvers so I didn't really pay much attention to centerfire autoloaders.

Then on a lark I bought one of the then-new P89s. Having only experiended SA centerfires like the Luger and 1911 and DAO rimfires, I was amazed to discover the SA/DA system (I was exceptionally stupid when I was younger, well, to be precise, until just last fall). I remember thinking, "This is brilliant! This is how all semi-autos should be built!"

[TechBrute]

TechBrute, I didn't see your responses to these threads:
http://www.thehighroad.org/showthre...ol+grip+shotgun

http://www.thehighroad.org/showthre...t=folding+stock

Probably because I didn't respond to them. Are you under the impression that I am some advocate of the pistol grip shotgun? I'm certainly not. I'm just pointing out that people are making dumb comments in a dumb comments thread. Pistol grip shotguns may be more difficult to shoot accurately, and they may be rough on some smaller people, but they won't break ribs or wrists, knock you into a coma, or whatever other ludicrous comments are made about them.

[answerguy]

after he breaks his ribs from firing that shotgun.

I'm sure he was talking about the bear's ribs right?

[Elmer Snerd]

http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?threadid=14813

[noname1]

I was watching a TV show about gangster guns from the 20's. The "gun expert" was talking about the .38 Super, and the whole time they were flashing to pictures of revolvers, as a reference. If that wasn't bad enough, the "expert" seriously stated that the .38 Super would "blow a man right off his feet."

[Logan5]

Speaking of .38 Supers, I once tried to buy a new Colt El Commandante. The store manager said he couldn't sell it to me in good conscience, because I was his friend, and the El Commandante was only for "pimps and Mexicans." (not that he had anything against Mexicans, he was referring to the whole no military calibers thing.)
At another store, I was checking out a nice Smith & Wesson M27. I'd been mainlining John Taffin articles and was all set to buy it. The clerk goes into the whole "do you own a boat? Why do you need an anchor?" routine, and manages to convince me to leave without buying anything. When I came to my senses and went back for it, it was gone.
A third store near me has a guy who's a big advocate of the "bad guys will flip the switch and pull your Beretta's slide right off!" theory, but only Berettas you already own. If you're looking to buy one, it's nonsense.

[BHPshooter]

The TEFLON one really bugs me.

I have heard a few. One of my High School teachers was a Vietnam veteran. He was telling us about the M16 one day, telling us that the bullet "tumbles to create more damage." I believed it for a little while, not knowing any better.

I brought it up one day not too long ago to my Dad, telling him what my teacher had said. At this point, I knew the "tumbling" didn't happen.
"Is that true?" I asked.
"Yeah."
"How do they make bullets tumble?" :scrutiny:
"The barrels aren't rifled."
:scrutiny: :banghead:

Another of my favorites was the magic disassembling Berettas. "If a guy gets close to you, he can pull your slide right off!!"
So, naturally, I tried it. It can't be done unless the magazine's out. So I guess if you participate in a lot of close quarters battles shooting your Beretta one shot at a time, sure, it can happen. :rolleyes:

Wes

[McNutt]

Those new plastic pistols can slip through metal detectors.

[BluesBear]

I am constantly amazed by the myth;

Shoot a man with a .22 (long rifle) and, since the bullet is so light, the bullet will zig-zag and bounce around all through the body.