S&W M&P 15 sport vs. Mossberg MMR tactical


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slash415
June 28, 2012, 03:22 PM
Looking to pick up an AR-15 for around 700$. I really like the look of the MMR, but the sport has been proven to be an excellent entry level AR. Any thoughts?


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GunnerShotz
June 28, 2012, 05:33 PM
Not to derail the OP comparison, but have you looked at DelTon? There doesn't seem to be a whole lot of searchable feedback available, but I can tell you that I picked up the DelTon Sport recently at your price point. Considering that, I'd say it's another worthy option to look at if available in your area.

batmann
June 28, 2012, 05:34 PM
S&W. The new sport has had great reports and is a very good starting point for an AR style rifle.
I have an S&W M&P 15 (MOE) and it has been 100% shooting anything I care to put in it. I would expect nothing less from a Sport.

King_John_I
June 28, 2012, 05:38 PM
The SW sport is one of the better buys for the cheaper AR platform right now. They are good quality and SW has excellent customer service if you have any issues.
Good luch

hardluk1
June 28, 2012, 05:50 PM
Probably not much out there on the mossy . The barrel is a plane carbon steel ,no chrome no melonite treatment. Quality of the barrel could be its low point. The plus would be clamp on sights and free float tube. and a dust cover and fa.
Guess it comes down to how well the barrel shoots and hold up to the average spray and pray types. If used as a hunter . Might be a fine rifle. You may just have to chance it.

HarcyPervin
June 28, 2012, 05:56 PM
what kind of accuracy are you guys getting out of the m&p sport? I already have the m&p 15-22 and like what s&w has put together. My thought is that if I'm going to get into an AR, I'd like to have the abillity to precisely place rounds, ex: 1 moa, but also have a gun that I can blow through some cheap ammo when I'm just screwing around and plinking.

meanmrmustard
June 28, 2012, 06:44 PM
The SPORT!!!! I bought a second one that I'm getting in the morning I love it so much. The only DI gun I'll own, cheap, simple, accurate!!!

Which is say alot cuz I'm a gas piston guy.:)

MikePaiN
June 28, 2012, 06:59 PM
I've got to add another thumbs up for the M&P15 Sport, this carbine is most impressive. I have a Bushnell TRS-25 red dot on it, but after one trip to the range I realized its accuracy and potential deserve better optics.
As someone said.....Why pay more for the Mossberg and get much less? The Sport is the best AR value money can buy right now.

meanmrmustard
June 28, 2012, 07:01 PM
what kind of accuracy are you guys getting out of the m&p sport? I already have the m&p 15-22 and like what s&w has put together. My thought is that if I'm going to get into an AR, I'd like to have the abillity to precisely place rounds, ex: 1 moa, but also have a gun that I can blow through some cheap ammo when I'm just screwing around and plinking.
Then the Sports the gun. It's, as I look online, cheaper than the MMR. The Smith is established, has rave reviews, and won't break the bank.

meanmrmustard
June 28, 2012, 07:03 PM
I've got to add another thumbs up for the M&P15 Sport, this carbine is most impressive. I have a Bushnell TRS-25 red dot on it, but after one trip to the range I realized its accuracy and potential deserve better optics.
As someone said.....Why pay more for the Mossberg and get much less? The Sport is the best AR value money can buy right now.
Good dot choice. Best sub $100 optic going IMO.

meanmrmustard
June 28, 2012, 10:48 PM
Probably not much out there on the mossy . The barrel is a plane carbon steel ,no chrome no melonite treatment. Quality of the barrel could be its low point. The plus would be clamp on sights and free float tube. and a dust cover and fa.
Guess it comes down to how well the barrel shoots and hold up to the average spray and pray types. If used as a hunter . Might be a fine rifle. You may just have to chance it.
The chrome or melonite is really to protect against corrosive ammunition and lack of cleaning. If the OP cleans often enough, no biggie. But, who the hell wants to clean often!

As has been said, getting less for paying more in the Mossberg.

whetrock
June 29, 2012, 03:23 PM
The sport rifle would be the way to go IMO. The forward assist is a feature on the AR-15 that I never particularly cared for anyhow and the dust cover while effective isn't super crucial. All in all the sport rifle is a nice slim and trim entry level "modern sporting rifle" capable of respectable performance. The verdict is still out on the Mossberg as far as I'm concerned. S&W has been making AR-15s for a day or two now whereas Mossberg is a newcomer and while I'm sure they're fine I'd rather play it safe. But I'm no AR expert by any means but a novice and what I say should be taken with a grain of salt.

hardluk1
June 29, 2012, 06:40 PM
MEAN Thats my point, plus nether one one tends to wear as baddly as a carbon or ss would if the shooter went nuts with it. I cleaned mine well oiled and lube and ran 800 rounds thru before cleaning again and was really easy to clean up.

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SLASH45 1" MOA is very practical with a scoped sport with decent power levels. But even some of the cheaper stuff will shoot 1 1/4" at 100 yards with walmart AR223 52gr ammo. I have a 2.5-10 power scope on it. Some of the guys are handing and with some serious power scopes and shooting under 1/2" groups with handloads.

meanmrmustard
June 29, 2012, 09:05 PM
MEAN Thats my point, plus nether one one tends to wear as baddly as a carbon or ss would if the shooter went nuts with it. I cleaned mine well oiled and lube and ran 800 rounds thru before cleaning again and was really easy to clean up.

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SLASH45 1" MOA is very practical with a scoped sport with decent power levels. But even some of the cheaper stuff will shoot 1 1/4" at 100 yards with walmart AR223 52gr ammo. I have a 2.5-10 power scope on it. Some of the guys are handing and with some serious power scopes and shooting under 1/2" groups with handloads.
I was agreeing homey. I prefer melonite to chrome for the record. Think "Glock treatment" for an AR.

mac66
June 29, 2012, 11:49 PM
I think these "sport" models will be the new "in" thing. They are like the 'rat' rod or bobber motorcycle of the firearms world. When the fad catches on people will start discarding the dust covers and FAs just to be cool. Let's face it, you really don't need a forward assist or a dust cover on a rifle unless you are using crappy ammo in the jungles of SE Asia and not cleaning your rifle.

Most of us won't be needing to clear the neighborhood of space invading mutant zombie bikers. If you did, more than likely you would get your battle carbine issued to you in which case you don't have a choice of what you use anyway.

meanmrmustard
June 29, 2012, 11:53 PM
I think these "sport" models will be the new "in" thing. They are like the 'rat' rod or bobber motorcycle of the firearms world. When the fad catches on people will start discarding the dust covers and FAs just to be cool. Let's face it, you really don't need a forward assist or a dust cover on a rifle unless you are using crappy ammo in the jungles of SE Asia and not cleaning your rifle.

Most of us won't be needing to clear the neighborhood of space invading mutant zombie bikers. If you did, more than likely you would get your battle carbine issued to you in which case you don't have a choice of what you use anyway.
Thank the heavens some one said this!

fallout mike
June 29, 2012, 11:57 PM
+1 on the sport accuracy. A friend of mine who is a former marine sniper shot a 2&1/2 inch 3 shot group at 300 yards ...... with the irons.

meanmrmustard
June 30, 2012, 12:15 AM
+1 on the sport accuracy. A friend of mine who is a former marine sniper shot a 2&1/2 inch 3 shot group at 300 yards ...... with the irons.
Not unheard of. The Sport has rifling unlike rifles in its category. It's a gradually increasing twist that equates to an overall 1/8 twist. With the 5r rifling, not two lands have opposing friction/pressure on the jacket, meaning all things are equal. I love it. Whatever Smith did, in no small part in acquiring Thompson, they need to keep it up. One year ago, I remember folks down playing the Sport due to its lack of AR specific features. Now, it's a sought after DI gun. I am not a fan of the system, but it's the only DI gun I'll own.

Markus
June 30, 2012, 12:19 AM
I'll second the recommendation to take a look at the Delton as well.

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fallout mike
June 30, 2012, 12:21 AM
It was my gun he was shooting, I wish I could shoot that good with irons!

meanmrmustard
June 30, 2012, 12:31 AM
It was my gun he was shooting, I wish I could shoot that good with irons!
You and me both, bro. I used mine last winter as my deer gun. My fiancÚ used my Interarms in 223 as that my pet round. She shot two does with 64 gr. win power points, I shot a 9 pointer and a doe he was chasing with barnes 55 tsx. Her shots, with a 20 inch barrel at 60 yards were good for her never having killed a deer. Mine were better, with a red dot, at 150 yards with no magnification. The Sport, with me bieng a gas piston fan, is the cats meow my friends. Is it a 6920? No. But it's darn close for hundreds less without crap i don't need. So, in summation, I concur with Falloutmike. The Sport, for what it is or what it's worth, is more to me than the single 6920 I've ownd, my Prairie Panther, and a lonely Sig 556 I once graced. Light weight, no frills, no problems. The sport is where it's at.

And yes...before I'm flamed, I did sell a 6920 and kept a Sport. Only to sell it, but buy another today.

hardluk1
June 30, 2012, 12:26 PM
mean OK. I figured you did.

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