[doc540]

Couldn't pass up this M10, but what agency does the marking indicate?
"MPDC" (Washington, DC is the obvious guess.)

(I think it's had action work, it's smooth as silk and breaks like glass.)

Serial #D96516 is what year?

Might end up using it in my training classes.

thnx

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[Deaf Smith]

Metropolitan Police, D.C.

Deaf

[Art Keys]

n/t

[doc540]

hahaha, good one, ART!:D

[Lawdawg45]

If you're serious about it's past, look at the ATF records.

LD

[Jim K]

Hi, Lawdawg45,

What ATF records? Just curious as to what records ATF would have and how the OP (or I) can access them. I assume you are able to do that since you seem very knowledgeable so I would like to learn.

Jim

[scaatylobo]

Military Police D.C. ?.

[rcmodel]

Military Police D.C. ?.
See post #2.

Military police do not have guns stamped like that.
They are all the same GI issue pistols and revolvers used by everyone else in the military.

They might be in DC today, and Iraq tomorrow, so they wouldn't be stamped with a city, state, or District of Columbia.

Metropolitan Police, D.C. is the most likely so far.

But I especially like the Mount Pilot Dept. of Corrections. :D

rc

[Lawdawg45]

Hi, Lawdawg45,

What ATF records? Just curious as to what records ATF would have and how the OP (or I) can access them. I assume you are able to do that since you seem very knowledgeable so I would like to learn.

Jim

There is a paper trail generated with every FFL or Government purchase/transfer of a firearm. The easiest way for a civilian to access this information would be to have your local PD run the serial number and see who it returns to, but if it was traded/sold after the PD sale, you won't be able to find the original department.;)

LD

[10-96]

You can also go through Smith & Wesson and find out who they sold it to. May cost $$ for a letter, but as far as resale- I don't thing anyone's ever lost money from getting a factory letter.

[waidmann]

I can confirm DC and them favoring round butts. For mounted officers they installed butt swivels and re-applied serials after the MPDC.

[Jim K]

Hi, Lawdawg,

No, not really.

A manufacturer selling directly to a LE agency has those records and they are available to BATFE, not usually to local police. Non-LE sales records are also available only to BATFE, and then the trace is only to the dealer. At that point, BATFE agents can look at a dealer's records to determine the person to whom he sold the gun. Local police can access those records, but a court order is usually needed.

In some states, local or state police keep records because they have to approve sales, but those also are available only to police.

If you are a LEO, then some records will be available to you. But that does not mean just anyone can find out who bought a specific gun or guns. Of course, if one has "pull" or can pay a hefty bribe, local police might be willing to bend the rules and look up those records for an individual, but one can hardly depend on that.

Jim

[Retcop]

Yes it's Metropolitan Police, D.C

[Lawdawg45]

Hi, Lawdawg,

No, not really.

A manufacturer selling directly to a LE agency has those records and they are available to BATFE, not usually to local police. Non-LE sales records are also available only to BATFE, and then the trace is only to the dealer. At that point, BATFE agents can look at a dealer's records to determine the person to whom he sold the gun. Local police can access those records, but a court order is usually needed.

In some states, local or state police keep records because they have to approve sales, but those also are available only to police.

If you are a LEO, then some records will be available to you. But that does not mean just anyone can find out who bought a specific gun or guns. Of course, if one has "pull" or can pay a hefty bribe, local police might be willing to bend the rules and look up those records for an individual, but one can hardly depend on that.

Jim
Yeah, I'm not sure what's available to a civilian, being spoiled all theses years, but I've never had to obtain a warrant for ATF files. I do know that most of our local agencies will do an NCIC check for civilians upon request.....no bribe required!:D

LD

LD

[W.E.G.]

serial number info for S&W pistols (http://smith-wessonforum.com/s-w-revolvers-1961-1980/227900-serial-s-dates-manufacture-k-n-frames.html)

I carried one of those (except it was square butt) in DC in the 80's.

If anybody runs across D279229, I'd like to make you an offer.

I only got to keep my off-duty holsters when I left the dept.

http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/dd7/rkba2da/holsters/SW-holster-MPDCapproval.jpg

Meantime, I'm "making do" with a replacement specimen.

http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/dd7/rkba2da/holsters/SW-holsterbothsides.jpg

Still have a few rounds of ammo.

http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/dd7/rkba2da/holsters/MPDammopouch.jpg

http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/dd7/rkba2da/pistol%20pics/SW%2010/DSCN3018.jpg

[Jim K]

Hi, LD,

Maybe so in your area, but not in mine. Let me quote from the NCIC web site:

"These safeguards include restricting access to those with a need to know to perform their official duties, and using locks, alarm devices, passwords, and/or encrypting data communications."

I am not sure how a citizen's request to, say, check out his daughter's boyfriend, comes under the heading of a LE officer's "official duties" and gives him a "need to know." Nor do I know how much of NCIC policy is encorporated into law, but generally, "snooping" in federal data bases is not exactly encouraged.

Also, of course, NCIC does not have a firearms registry (it has a list of guns reported stolen); the NFRTR, which is the registry of NFA firearms, is a separate entity and is also restricted access.

Jim

[doc540]

back on topic

D96516 is 1969-1970

Wish it had been yours, W.E.D., cause I sure would've gotten in back in your hands.