What the heck did I buy? AR-15


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floorit76
June 29, 2012, 08:59 PM
Bought an AR off Gunbroker earlier this week. Lower is marked Rock River, but I can find no marks at all on the upper. It was sold from a pawn shop, as a 5.56mm. Tonight I decided to try it out. Steel case wouldn't go into battery, so I tried a brass case and it did. I ejected the round and found that it had developed an extra shoulder. (Shown in pic, beside normal round) Upon inspection, the bore looks slightly larger than a 5.56, and 223 ammo fits high and loose in the chamber? 6.5? 7.62? Where would I find a mark? I haven't removed the quad rail, but I did look in the slots with a light and saw no markings anywhere on the barrel. ????????????????? :what:

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Twmaster
June 29, 2012, 09:03 PM
Look on the bottom of the barrel. You may need to remove the hand guard.

Also, check the magazine. It might tell you.

Failing that it might be time for a trip to the gunsmith for him to cast the chamber.

gunnysmith
June 29, 2012, 09:07 PM
It should be under the quad rail just in front of the barrel extension, left side.

URL to the auction it mat have a clue

Wicked
June 29, 2012, 09:07 PM
Very interested in the results of this one. Gunsmith would probably be your best bet.

meanmrmustard
June 29, 2012, 09:08 PM
Thank the lord you didn't pull the trigger.

LJ-MosinFreak-Buck
June 29, 2012, 09:11 PM
I'm wondering if it's not one chambered in 5.45x39... Seems like the extra shoulder is because the chamber pushed it back.

meanmrmustard
June 29, 2012, 09:16 PM
I'm wondering if it's not one chambered in 5.45x39... Seems like the extra shoulder is because the chamber pushed it back.
You know, that's a good thought.

Op, do you have a pic of the magazine?

floorit76
June 29, 2012, 09:25 PM
Mag only reads C products LLC Newington Ct. Removing handguard will have to wait till I get home later.

rcmodel
June 29, 2012, 09:25 PM
If it was a 5.45mm Russian, the bore would be smaller, not larger then a .223 and you would have rifling marks on the bullet.

http://castboolits.gunloads.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=5569&thumb=1&d=1251127082

Plus, the case on a 5.45mm is shorter to the shoulder then a .223.
If the bore is smaller then a .223, then it probably is a 5.45x39.

Good luck with that.

rc

TurtlePhish
June 29, 2012, 09:25 PM
If the bore is larger than .223, it ain't a 5.45. Plus the shoulder of 5.45x39 is WAY farther back than that in comparison to a 5.56/.223.

ETA: rc beat me by seconds....

LJ-MosinFreak-Buck
June 29, 2012, 09:30 PM
But isn't the case on the .223 longer than the 5.45? That's what that bulge looks like, like it was pushed in and squished, and like the ogive was too big, and pushed in from there.

TurtlePhish
June 29, 2012, 09:32 PM
But isn't the case on the .223 longer than the 5.45? That's what that bulge looks like, like it was pushed in and squished, and like the ogive was too big, and pushed in from there.


It is longer, but close to the same width. I'll post a pic of the cases next to each other in a minute.

Edit:
http://i1162.photobucket.com/albums/q532/TurtlePhish/90684a3e.jpg

floorit76
June 29, 2012, 09:33 PM
Measuring with the calibrated eyeball, the bore looks slightly larger than my 223, but smaller than my 7.62.

LJ-MosinFreak-Buck
June 29, 2012, 09:35 PM
Well if it's larger, then I don't know. And I'm not even sure what would case the shoulder to look like that if it was loose in the chamber.

TurtlePhish
June 29, 2012, 09:36 PM
Maybe 6.8SPC?

meanmrmustard
June 29, 2012, 09:37 PM
True. Could it be that the upper is 300 AAC?

TurtlePhish
June 29, 2012, 09:38 PM
If the bore is smaller than 7.62, it's not .300BLK.

animator
June 29, 2012, 09:39 PM
I'd be willing to bet 6.8

meanmrmustard
June 29, 2012, 09:39 PM
If the bore is smaller than 7.62, it's not .300BLK.
.243?

TurtlePhish
June 29, 2012, 09:40 PM
If it was .243, it would be in an AR-10 length action.

Can we get a pic of the magazine?


ETA:

Not to go off topic, but I'd love one in .243 lol


+1

LJ-MosinFreak-Buck
June 29, 2012, 09:41 PM
Not to go off topic, but I'd love one in .243 lol

janobles14
June 29, 2012, 09:41 PM
k im dying to know this one! any word in the short time elapsed? but wouldnt the smaller shoulder mean it should be smaller than a .223?

meanmrmustard
June 29, 2012, 09:41 PM
If the bore is smaller than 7.62, it's not .300BLK.
Sorry, didn't see that post. Maybe a 6+ mm round? I'm assuming something near 45 mm in case length.

TurtlePhish
June 29, 2012, 09:42 PM
Sorry, didn't see that post. Maybe a 6+ mm round? I'm assuming something near 45 mm in case length.


I'm really thinking 6.8SPC.

floorit76
June 29, 2012, 09:44 PM
Standard mags boys. I bought a 5.56 Pmag and it fits fine.

Ar180shooter
June 29, 2012, 09:44 PM
My guess would also be 6.8 SPC based on the position of the new shoulder, but definitely verify this before use.

http://i108.photobucket.com/albums/n33/blocksender/Firearms/5566876239003-2.jpg

TurtlePhish
June 29, 2012, 09:45 PM
Standard mags boys. I bought a 5.56 Pmag and it fits fine.


Sure, it fits, but that doesn't mean it'll feed. A mag for any cartridge that a non-proprietary AR-15 can take will fit any lower.

meanmrmustard
June 29, 2012, 09:47 PM
Ok. I looked up dimensions. I'd bet that animator is right, and that it's 6.8 SPC. Case length of 43 mm is damn close.

TurtlePhish: lay off me. I'm tired and I've had too much heat today!:)

But i see your point. I'm drinking Steel reserve.

meanmrmustard
June 29, 2012, 09:49 PM
True. 300 AAC would fit. But as Phish pointed out to my goofy butt, iit wouldn't cycle. But, try a 6.8, and you would get a pinched shoulder. Mic that bore, if you have one, and get your answer.

TurtlePhish
June 29, 2012, 09:50 PM
TurtlePhish: lay off me. I'm tired and I've had too much heat today!


Sorry, didn't mean to come across as rude. I've had quite a bit of heat too... 96 degrees and 90% humidity all day! :p

floorit76
June 29, 2012, 09:53 PM
Ok, who wants a nice barely used 6.8 upper?

meanmrmustard
June 29, 2012, 09:53 PM
Sorry, didn't mean to come across as rude. I've had quite a bit of heat too... 96 degrees and 90% humidity all day! :p
Dude, I'm giving you grief! If I'd had thought my comment out, you wouldn't have to school me!

Gotcha beat though. St Louis, high as of 3pm was 107 degrees, 20% humidity. Oof.

Watcha think, 6.8? Looks plausible, but I hope he mics it.

TurtlePhish
June 29, 2012, 09:54 PM
Ok, who wants a nice barely used 6.8 upper?

Ha! I was right! :D
How much?

Gotcha beat though. St Louis, high as of 3pm was 107 degrees, 20% humidity. Oof.


Ouch. I hope you have air conditioning, for your sake. :what:

meanmrmustard
June 29, 2012, 09:55 PM
Ha! I was right! :D
How much?
AR dork!

LJ-MosinFreak-Buck
June 29, 2012, 09:55 PM
Mic and a chamber cast, unless he finds the caliber near the receiver extension (or whatever it's called).

TurtlePhish
June 29, 2012, 09:56 PM
AR dork!


:neener:

floorit76
June 29, 2012, 09:58 PM
Just trying to break up the bar fight. Not home yet. I'm betting 6.8 myself just guessing though.

rcmodel
June 29, 2012, 09:58 PM
I think it has to be a 6.5 Lee Navy! :D

rc

animator
June 29, 2012, 10:02 PM
Ok. I looked up dimensions. I'd bet that animator is right, and that it's 6.8 SPC. Case length of 43 mm is damn close.

TurtlePhish: lay off me. I'm tired and I've had too much heat today!:)

But i see your point. I'm drinking Steel reserve.
To give credit where it's due, I was beaten to the punch a bit on the 6.8...

I had just skimmed the thread, saw the pic, and typed a reply before seeing that it was posted a few above me as well...

I have some 6.8 brass at home that I could run through a .223 chamber to see if I can get anything similar to happen.

TurtlePhish
June 29, 2012, 10:03 PM
I think it has to be a 6.5 Lee Navy! :D

rc

Y'know what, I'm changing my vote to this... It's rc, after all! ;)

floorit76
June 29, 2012, 10:07 PM
Never even heard of that one. So is everybody staying up till I get home and get it appart?

TurtlePhish
June 29, 2012, 10:08 PM
Never even heard of that one. So is everybody staying up till I get home and get it appart?


Yes! :D

MachIVshooter
June 29, 2012, 10:09 PM
Boy, I'd be pissed if I bought a .223 and ended up getting a 6.8. I think a call to that pawn shop is in order, and if they don't do right by you, flame like crazy. It is the seller's responsibility to properly determine chambering or tell prosepective buyers that they are unsure.

LJ-MosinFreak-Buck
June 29, 2012, 10:12 PM
I'll be here too, Floorit.

floorit76
June 29, 2012, 10:14 PM
I will be contacting them. If nothing more than to see if they can check their records for contact info on the previous owner. They had good, but not a tremendous amount, of feedback. I doubt that I will get anyone till monday, but I will try tomorrow morning.

meanmrmustard
June 29, 2012, 10:26 PM
Yes! :D
I'm in suspense over this! Not just for safeties sake, but for the pure fact that I MUST KNOW!

meanmrmustard
June 29, 2012, 10:32 PM
I will be contacting them. If nothing more than to see if they can check their records for contact info on the previous owner. They had good, but not a tremendous amount, of feedback. I doubt that I will get anyone till monday, but I will try tomorrow morning.
Email, call, repeat. You're a valued customer, and they have your money. Make it count, bro.

floorit76
June 29, 2012, 10:42 PM
Quad rail is off, barrel exposed, NO marking anywhere visible.

janobles14
June 29, 2012, 10:43 PM
hey and if it is an spc of decent quality i have a dpms 5.56 upper that will swap nicely!

meanmrmustard
June 29, 2012, 10:47 PM
Quad rail is off, barrel exposed, NO marking anywhere visible.
I know I've posted here alot, but, if I may give you another idea?

Have a buddy that shoots 6.8? Try to chamber a round at the range.

If not, the I was thinking it would be hard to mic the barrel, unless you remove the flash hider. I'd get an I.D of that barrel to get an idea. 6.8 vs 556 is a substantial difference in thousandths.

68wj
June 29, 2012, 10:50 PM
RRA does make a 6.8, but I thought they marked their barrels.

longrange308
June 29, 2012, 10:51 PM
I bought a Mauser from Gander Mountain that said it was chambered in 7X57, when I got home I started to load it when I saw the insert from the packaging fell out which said it had been re-chambered to 308 Winchester. I took it back to Gander Mountain and their gunsmith performed some test and it was in fact 7X57, but was I ever confused. I still am greatly confused, not necessarily because of the Mauser incident, but confused in general.

My sympathies to floorit76, I hope as a result of this incident you will not need to seek treatment for clinical confusion.

floorit76
June 29, 2012, 10:52 PM
OK, I'm getting blind. it is marked on the bottom of the barrel, on the swell between the front sight and the flash hider.

Drum roll please.
















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68wj
June 29, 2012, 10:56 PM
That would be a 6 groove, 6.8 SPCII chamber then. i f you don't want it, they should honor the original sale.

floorit76
June 29, 2012, 10:58 PM
I don't reload, and blew my gun budget for awhile to buy it. Don't want it is a relative term, I want them all, but know my limitations. Glad I waited on leaving feedback though.

TurtlePhish
June 29, 2012, 11:00 PM
Now I know for sure that I was right! :D

meanmrmustard
June 29, 2012, 11:02 PM
Now I know for sure that I was right! :D
Indeed sir, now I can sleep soundly.

OP, are you going to part with it?

floorit76
June 29, 2012, 11:08 PM
Yes, it will be for sale/swap after the seller has had time to respond/correct the issue. I'd like some advise on value if someone can spare it. I am intrested in replacing it with what I originally wanted, a quality, carbine length flat top in 5.56/223.

floorit76
June 29, 2012, 11:11 PM
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fatcat4620
June 29, 2012, 11:13 PM
Either 6.5 or 6.8 is a necked down 7.62x39

68wj
June 29, 2012, 11:15 PM
Yes, it will be for sale/swap after the seller has had time to respond/correct the issue. I'd like some advise on value if someone can spare it. I am intrested in replacing it with what I originally wanted, a carbine length flat top in 5.56/223.They go for the same as their 5.56 counterparts. I have seen where some mark them higher bacause they think the bigger hole is more valuable, but this is not the norm.

meanmrmustard
June 29, 2012, 11:20 PM
They go for the same as their 5.56 counterparts. I have seen where some mark them higher bacause they think the bigger hole is more valuable, but this is not the norm.
+1. Food for thought, however. If you are using this for a mid range game getter, then I'd keep it. But, I don't know your intended usage.

floorit76
June 29, 2012, 11:22 PM
My intended use is to have a second weapon to digest the pile of 223 I have accumulated.

gp911
June 29, 2012, 11:23 PM
Spec II chamber is a plus. I'd be inclined to keep it & chalk it up to serendipity myself, but if you really wanted a 5.56 then let 'em know and see what you can work out. This was a fun thread to read btw, I love w good mystery. :-)

JohnnyK
June 29, 2012, 11:36 PM
its funny when people take pics and include their feet and toes...

meanmrmustard
June 29, 2012, 11:38 PM
its funny when people take pics and include their feet and toes...
Ha ha!!! Floor it looks like a hobbit!

floorit76
June 29, 2012, 11:44 PM
You ain't buyin the feet, look at the gun!
It could be worse, have you ever seen the picture of the crome tea pot from ebay that the guy took while naked? Naked fat guy in a circus mirror looking reflection is ugly stuff.

meanmrmustard
June 29, 2012, 11:51 PM
My intended use is to have a second weapon to digest the pile of 223 I have accumulated.
Lucky. Is sparse here.

meanmrmustard
June 29, 2012, 11:52 PM
You ain't buyin the feet, look at the gun!
It could be worse, have you ever seen the picture of the crome tea pot from ebay that the guy took while naked? Naked fat guy in a circus mirror looking reflection is ugly stuff.
I will indefinitely be taking your word for it.

floorit76
June 29, 2012, 11:53 PM
I'm not that far from you. By Jacksonville IL. Not that far from anywhere in MO.

meanmrmustard
June 29, 2012, 11:56 PM
I'm not that far from you. By Jacksonville IL. Not that far from anywhere in MO.
Are you trying to tell me you'll sell an upper? I have no trades, but name a price to set an interest. Pm me.

floorit76
June 30, 2012, 12:02 AM
I was just responding to you saying that 223 was "scarce" there. There isn't far from here. It will be for sale if the shop that sold it to me doesn't make it right. I have my doubts that they have any uppers just laying around, so I'm not sure what I should expect from them anyway.

meanmrmustard
June 30, 2012, 12:04 AM
I was just responding to you saying that 223 was "scarce" there. There isn't far from here. It will be for sale if the shop that sold it to me doesn't make it right. I have my doubts that they have any uppers just laying around, so I'm not sure what I should expect from them anyway.
Then I'm sure you know that 223 is scarce and/or rising in price. PM me anyway.

floorit76
June 30, 2012, 12:09 AM
After they respond we'll see what happens. I actually was just offered a large amount of Federal 55 grain fmj 50 for $20. Not a screaming good deal, but not bad considering the current market, and no shipping. Not to mention I will most likely be trading into a bunch of it for less than that.

Twmaster
June 30, 2012, 12:17 AM
Would it be rude to ask what you paid for the gun? Getting that 6.8 Upper is kinda neat. I've got an Olympic 6.8 on my AR.

floorit76
June 30, 2012, 12:22 AM
Rude, no. Not to me, but I'm a dumb redneck. I gave $750. Rock river lower, and obviously a DPMS upper. Quad rail with rubber covers. One cheap mag.

meanmrmustard
June 30, 2012, 12:31 AM
Rude, no. Not to me, but I'm a dumb redneck. I gave $750. Rock river lower, and obviously a DPMS upper. Quad rail with rubber covers. One cheap mag.
Make lemonade outta lemons. I buy and sell constantly, so I've learned that it's best to find the silver lining. After you shoot the 223/556? Then what? I think it's cool to have a 6.8, but that's me. I haven't ever shot a 6.8, so consider yourself a bit lucky.

longrange308
June 30, 2012, 12:39 AM
Have you checked the invoice, did they put on the invoice its 6.8 or does the invoice say its 5.56, and does the invoice say its a parts rifle (as in made up of parts from different rifles)? Go back and read the Gun-Broker sales page for that rifle unless they have already deleted it. They may have shipped you the wrong rifle, its happened before. Be sure to print off every thing you can before they have a chance to delete it. I think at worst they will have to give you your money back, if they can't find you the rifle you paid for. If they advertised a Rock River 5.56, then make them find you a Rock River 5.56 not a Rock River/DPMS 6.8 upper.

68wj
June 30, 2012, 08:48 AM
Have you checked the invoice, did they put on the invoice its 6.8 or does the invoice say its 5.56, and does the invoice say its a parts rifle (as in made up of parts from different rifles)? Go back and read the Gun-Broker sales page for that rifle unless they have already deleted it. They may have shipped you the wrong rifle, its happened before. Be sure to print off every thing you can before they have a chance to delete it. I think at worst they will have to give you your money back, if they can't find you the rifle you payed for. If they advertised a Rock River 5.56, then make them find you a Rock River 5.56 not a Rock River/DPMS 6.8 upper.
And you have the option of just trading uppers and avoiding all the FFL mess.

floorit76
June 30, 2012, 08:50 AM
I have checked the auction page, and the invoice, both show 5.56. and the serial number listed in the ad, and visible in the pics in the auction is correct. They sent me the right gun, they just had no idea what they had. They should be opening soon. I have already sent an email, and plan to call.

Trent
June 30, 2012, 09:27 AM
Was that from a federal firearms licensee??? If so, caliber is one of the required entries on bound books. Someone screwed up pretty good when they booked it. :)

Good thread. Liked this one!

floorit76
June 30, 2012, 09:36 AM
Yes, that has already been discussed and corrected on my end.

Hacker15E
June 30, 2012, 09:51 AM
I bet it would be an easy swap with someone either here or AR15.com who wants a 6.8 upper and has a 5.56 one to trade.

floorit76
June 30, 2012, 10:28 AM
I'm not worried that it will be hard to get rid of. I am however concerned as to what the seller is going to have to say about it. And the time/trouble involved in resolving the problem.

floorit76
June 30, 2012, 11:18 AM
The store shows a 10 am opening time on saturdays, and is on the east coast. So it should be 11:15 there. I have called a few times, and emailed. Boy is this frustrating, I was hoping to be shooting today.

TurtlePhish
June 30, 2012, 11:26 AM
Sounds like pretty poor business on their part. Wrong product, and they won't reply to emails or pick up the phone? Ew.

Tex4426
June 30, 2012, 11:33 AM
as far as what the upper is worth..with it being a dpms 6.8 1:11 twist with quad rails new runs right at $600 if the lower is all RRA and and not just a stripped RRA lower its worth 225-275 with standard trigger and 325-375 with match 2 stage trigger..this is in my opinion...you didnt get screwed but depending on the internals of the lower you may have got a decent deal

Tex4426
June 30, 2012, 11:38 AM
if you end up keeping it you have a rifle that should shoot sub 1" with good ammo and would be great for coyotes, hogs, deer, sheep, or equivalent sized animals out to 3-400 yards depending on your ability, which animal your hunting, and what grain bullet...if u dont hunt with it then yes go 223/556...and if u want to shoot really cheap get a .22 upper for it...shoot all day for 20 bucks

floorit76
June 30, 2012, 11:41 AM
They were pleasant on the phone when I paid for the auction. And their feedback was good. I'm sure there is a good explanation for their not answering. But it is frustrating, and makes you wonder.

HOOfan_1
June 30, 2012, 11:47 AM
Either 6.5 or 6.8 is a necked down 7.62x39

6.5 Grendel is based on a necked down and taper blown out 7.62x39 or .220 Russian. 6.8 SPC is based on the old time .30 Remington case though

floorit76
June 30, 2012, 11:48 AM
Shoot all day for $20? You must not have a 13 y/o. ;) I'm not going to be huntiong with it. I just believe in having multiple platforms for a cartridge. I have a Rem 700 sps in 223, and wanted something else to share the pile of ammo with. I live in the sticks, and if something breaks it takes awhile to get parts, so 2 is better than 1.

HOOfan_1
June 30, 2012, 11:50 AM
They were pleasant on the phone when I paid for the auction. And their feedback was good. I'm sure there is a good explanation for their not answering. But it is frustrating, and makes you wonder.

Where are they located on the East Coast? There were some bad storms last night in mid-Atlantic region that has a lot of people without power

floorit76
June 30, 2012, 11:58 AM
Christianburg VA. The trigger is very crisp and light. Didn't feel like a 2 stage, but I'm not certain. It has a Magpull grip, and Magpul triangle style stock. I don't believe I will loose any money out of it, just time shooting.

floorit76
June 30, 2012, 12:02 PM
Just looked up the local paper. High winds and lots of storm damage there. Lots of power lines down. Looks like I won't be getting an answer for awhile. At least I know they're not just ignoring me.

Tex4426
June 30, 2012, 12:03 PM
i could shoot all day for 20 bucks no kids though...bulk .22 LR is pretty cheap..get a box of 500 rounds for 20 bucks...may cost you 40 cuz u will need 2 boxes...but still it takes a long time to go broke shooting .22...and they are still a blast...a good 22 upper runs 4-450 or a cheap one 300...i will be getting a 22 upper for plinking sometime this summer...i still gotta get my new AR out and sighted in but all the fields i shoot in are planted so i gotta find a place

Tex4426
June 30, 2012, 12:07 PM
still could be a 2 stage...my 2 stage is light and crisp and if i didnt know any better wouldnt know it was 2 stage ...the first stage is just a very light pull almost like its just a little play in the trigger... regardless it sound like its better than a standard mil spec trigger

floorit76
June 30, 2012, 02:51 PM
And to think, if I'd have bought the M&P sport here in town I could be shooting it now.

meanmrmustard
June 30, 2012, 03:52 PM
And to think, if I'd have bought the M&P sport here in town I could be shooting it now.
I have a sport upper I'd trade you for that 6.8 upper. It's only had 80 rounds through it!

floorit76
June 30, 2012, 04:03 PM
I didn't buy the sport because it doesn't have the F/A, and dust cover. I'm hoping to find a Rock river upper so itis the complete package I thought I was buying.

meanmrmustard
June 30, 2012, 04:15 PM
I didn't buy the sport because it doesn't have the F/A, and dust cover. I'm hoping to find a Rock river upper so itis the complete package I thought I was buying.
Meh, who needs those? I bought my Sport because they DON'T.

But, I see your point. Sometimes it is actually nice to get what you pay for. I'd be upset too.
Any luck talking to them yet?

floorit76
June 30, 2012, 04:29 PM
I sent a second email eplaining that I was aware of the storm damage, and that the rifle was not 5.56, nor a complete Rock river. I told them that the 6.8 is useless to me except as a sale/trade toward what I wanted. And that I really liked the lower, and wasn't crazy about sending it back. I politely left it open to them to suggest a solution to the problem. And reminded them to ammend their "bound book" to show the error. From the looks of the town from their local paper it may be a bit before they reply. I may call agian, just to see if the store made it through the storm. But I prefer all comunication to be email, so it's on record.

HOOfan_1
June 30, 2012, 04:31 PM
I know people in Roanoke which is near Christiansburg who said it is pretty bad down there

floorit76
June 30, 2012, 04:38 PM
Still no answer at the store, 10 minutes before their stated closing time. I'd say I'll be real lucky if i know anything by Monday.

meanmrmustard
June 30, 2012, 04:49 PM
Still no answer at the store, 10 minutes before their stated closing time. I'd say I'll be real lucky if i know anything by Monday.
Really sorry, bro. I'm not a huge AR fan, so the Sports the only one I've got at the moment (my Saiga hates sitting next to it!) and I'm sure you don't want my upper, otherwise I'd trade you.

I'd be leaving some neutral feedback though. They shoulda had the grey matter to get it right the first time.

floorit76
June 30, 2012, 04:57 PM
They haven't bothered to leave me feedback either. It arrived just wrapped in bubble wrap, and in a single layer cardboard box. The front sight had punctured the box, but looks ok. I can see the possibility of this turning into a CF before it's over. But I still have faith.

And btw. If it wasn't 100 deg, and you drove that upper to me today, I'd be in the back yard shooting that M&P while you drove home with a 6.8. But since it's miserable shooting weather anyway, I might as well wait and see.

68wj
June 30, 2012, 05:07 PM
While you are at it, C Products made both 5.56 and 6.8 mags. At least the 6.8 version I had are marked on the follower. Can you tell which you received? That will determine whether you need to replace or can keep it.

floorit76
June 30, 2012, 05:10 PM
Yep, mag is marked 6.8. I have a half dozen window Pmags on the way anyway. But it's good to know. Thanks.

meanmrmustard
June 30, 2012, 05:21 PM
They haven't bothered to leave me feedback either. It arrived just wrapped in bubble wrap, and in a single layer cardboard box. The front sight had punctured the box, but looks ok. I can see the possibility of this turning into a CF before it's over. But I still have faith.

And btw. If it wasn't 100 deg, and you drove that upper to me today, I'd be in the back yard shooting that M&P while you drove home with a 6.8. But since it's miserable shooting weather anyway, I might as well wait and see.
Offer stands. Weather permitting and all, I wouldn't mind that upper of yours. Whatever you decide, I hope they make it right.

floorit76
June 30, 2012, 06:20 PM
We'll see what they say. If it's unsatisfactory maybe I can find a reason to be in Quincy next weekend.
Maybe Hannibal for a 4th of July run.

meanmrmustard
June 30, 2012, 06:23 PM
We'll see what they say. If it's unsatisfactory maybe I can find a reason to be in Quincy next weekend.
Maybe Hannibal for a 4th of July run.
That would make the 4th a great day indeed. Definitely keep me posted!!!

Twmaster
June 30, 2012, 06:56 PM
Meh, who needs those? I bought my Sport because they DON'T.

Same here. I've got a DPMS 5.56 'slick side' upper to go alongside my Olympic 6.8 upper. I prefer the slick receiver.

meanmrmustard
June 30, 2012, 07:05 PM
Same here. I've got a DPMS 5.56 'slick side' upper to go alongside my Olympic 6.8 upper. I prefer the slick receiver.
9 out of 10 (an exaggerated statistic obviously) civilian shooters are not going to NEED those things.

I'm jealous of your upper. I WANT a 6.8!!!

floorit76
June 30, 2012, 07:15 PM
I live on 300 acres of family property. Alot of it is sand, which the dogs drag into my truck seats. I often take a gun with me in the truck, and rarely use a case because I don't have to. Hence my want for a dust cover and the F/A. No astetics are involved, pure utility. And I don't reload (yet) so the 6.8 would be an expensive hobby for me, since it would include the price of a press and all accesories. Not to mention the remodeling of a room to have a place to do it.

meanmrmustard
June 30, 2012, 07:17 PM
I bet it would be an easy swap with someone either here or AR15.com who wants a 6.8 upper and has a 5.56 one to trade.
You're looking at one such fellow.

meanmrmustard
June 30, 2012, 07:20 PM
I live on 300 acres of family property. Alot of it is sand, which the dogs drag into my truck seats. I often take a gun with me in the truck, and rarely use a case because I don't have to. Hence my want for a dust cover and the F/A. No astetics are involved, pure utility. And I don't reload (yet) so the 6.8 would be an expensive hobby for me, since it would include the price of a press and all accesories. Not to mention the remodeling of a room to have a place to do it.
That's the unfortunate thing. Mine is sans those two devices, only because I don't need them and as an overall cost saver by Smith. Other than that, 5R 1/8 rifling, melonite coated, carbine length mid profile barrel, forged receiver, chrome lined gas key, flat top.

Twmaster
June 30, 2012, 07:59 PM
9 out of 10 (an exaggerated statistic obviously) civilian shooters are not going to NEED those things.

The truth is most shooters should -not- have a forward assist on their rifle.

For shooters not involved in life or death use of their rifle, read that as in combat, having a jam or failure to feed is time to stop and evaluate what happened. Hammering the forward assist is a bad choice while out on the range/plinking etc.

In floorit's case I agree a dust cover is a very good thing.

I'm jealous of your upper. I WANT a 6.8!!!

This is my rifle. There are many like it but this one is MINE! :D

meanmrmustard
June 30, 2012, 08:04 PM
The truth is most shooters should -not- have a forward assist on their rifle.

For shooters not involved in life or death use of their rifle, read that as in combat, having a jam or failure to feed is time to stop and evaluate what happened. Hammering the forward assist is a bad choice while out on the range/plinking etc.

In floorit's case I agree a dust cover is a very good thing.

Oh, and nice job bragging!!!



This is my rifle. There are many like it but this one is MINE! :D
I don't know if the pups dragging sand into the truck cab is quite enough to warrant a dust cover versus, say, the sandbox like atmosphere of north Africa or the 'Stans.

But, some folks worry.

floorit76
June 30, 2012, 09:08 PM
"Pups" are 2 nearly 75-80lb labs. The sand is "sugar" or "blow" sand. Trust me, on a wet lubed gun it can be a problem. I'm sure that it can be argued that I don't "need" either one, but I want them, and in the end that's my own buisness. I had resigned myself to the M&P once, till I stumbled upon this one on gunbroker. I may do it agian.

meanmrmustard
June 30, 2012, 09:17 PM
"Pups" are 2 nearly 75-80lb labs. The sand is "sugar" or "blow" sand. Trust me, on a wet lubed gun it can be a problem. I'm sure that it can be argued that I don't "need" either one, but I want them, and in the end that's my own buisness. I had resigned myself to the M&P once, till I stumbled upon this one on gunbroker. I may do it agian.
Indeed it is. He who has the gold makes the rules. You know your atmosphere better than I do. That's why the slick side shines in my woods; not a whole lot to get in the nooks and crannies?

You may do what again?

Also, I was looking up 6.8 ammo as I do not reload either. Kinda costly. I'd only be using it for deer hunting for sure. But, the ballistics look promising, and that's what counts to me for that application.

floorit76
June 30, 2012, 09:22 PM
I might resign myself to the M&P agian.

meanmrmustard
June 30, 2012, 09:25 PM
I might resign myself to the M&P agian.
Ha! I wouldn't sound so sad about that! Resign is a harsh word.

Your upper carbine length 16"?

floorit76
June 30, 2012, 09:28 PM
Yes. I'm always sad about compromise.

68wj
June 30, 2012, 09:36 PM
In defense of the Sport, they come with great barrels (5R rifling and melonited).

floorit76
June 30, 2012, 09:39 PM
I'm just glad that the upper is a non-ffl item. I can swap through a few till I am truely happy without the hassle and paperwork.

meanmrmustard
June 30, 2012, 09:42 PM
Yes. I'm always sad about compromise.
Me too. You always wonder what might've been.

But, I'm keeping my fingers crossed that they do right by you. You deserve it, but I understand the whole storm situation may have curtailed them.

So, as a fellow THR member whose not as "mean" as my name suggests, I would gladly trade you a slick side upper to ease your woes, and put you on the range shooting your 556 ammo. Hell, if you have a 6.8 mag, great. I'll give you two 30-round 556 pmags to ease your pain too. All I get out of it is a bigger bore deer gun, which suits me fine. Ammo cost is a non issue, as I shoot my AKs more and 7.62x39 is über cheap. I wish I had an upper with the DC and FA to offer you, but all I gots is the slickie.

If I were you, I'd be PO'd, as I'm sure you are or were. Just letting you know that if they reneg on ya, or can't help, you have other options.

Good luck bud.

floorit76
June 30, 2012, 09:54 PM
It's a fair offer I believe. Thank you. I'm not mad, not sure why. I could have been hurt, the gun could have been destroyed, who knows. But oddly, I'm just upset that I'm not able to shoot it. Frustrated that I can't contact them. Wondering if I'm waiting around just to hear "You bought it, buzz off", or Heck we'll just send out another, keep that one on us" (dreaming). I'm pretty used to it though. If there is a lemon in the batch, I'll be the one to get it.

meanmrmustard
June 30, 2012, 10:16 PM
Pm sent.

floorit76
July 3, 2012, 06:57 PM
I got someone to answer the phone today. They got hit pretty hard, still no power. The store was running on a generator. He wasn't intrested in talking about any Gunbroker issues at all. Said someone would answer my emails when they got around to it. I didn't push him, figure they have enough problems. Sucks, I have a fresh case of M-193 waiting....

meanmrmustard
July 3, 2012, 07:01 PM
I got someone to answer the phone today. They got hit pretty hard, still no power. The store was running on a generator. He wasn't intrested in talking about any Gunbroker issues at all. Said someone would answer my emails when they got around to it. I didn't push him, figure they have enough problems. Sucks, I have a fresh case of M-193 waiting....
That's a bummer bro. Still know a guy with an upper, just in time for the 4th!;)

floorit76
July 3, 2012, 07:04 PM
I hear ya.

Caliper_RWVA
July 4, 2012, 11:55 AM
Why not just buy receiver blocks, barrel nut wrench and a 5.56 barrel? Swap barrels and save or sell the 6.8 barrel.

Tex4426
July 4, 2012, 12:45 PM
Because that would cost more ..tools aint free

floorit76
July 4, 2012, 12:59 PM
6.8 does nothing for me. I'm from IL, the only thing I could hunt with it legally is coyotes. Which I don't.

Maverick223
July 4, 2012, 04:47 PM
Why not just buy receiver blocks, barrel nut wrench and a 5.56 barrel? Swap barrels and save or sell the 6.8 barrel.Whilst not terribly costly, you'd also need a new bolt, and when all that is added up it starts creeping up in price.

FWIW I would hold off till you get a definite answer from the shop you purchased from. If they don't agree to make it right in the next couple of days (you have given them more than adequate time, as they are now responding to comments on their Facebook page, so they should have time to resolve your issue) I would leave them poor feedback and contact the BBB for a resolution. This is just poor business practice.

On the bright side, you did get a few upgrades like the Magpul furniture and quad rail (w/ covers). I wish you luck in getting what you want (and were promised in your purchase agreement).

:)

floorit76
July 4, 2012, 05:02 PM
I have been careful not to post the seller or auction link in this thread. How is it that you know who they are, and that they are posting to facebook?

Maverick223
July 4, 2012, 05:05 PM
I have been careful not to post the seller or auction link in this thread. How is it that you know who they are, and that they are posting to facebook?Please forgive my nosiness but curiosity got the best of me, so I did a mite bit of research and found it (I won't expound on how, because you don't want it to be known, but beware of what you post on the internet). Again, forgive my nosiness and rest assured that I'll not divulge the seller's information.

:)

floorit76
July 4, 2012, 05:08 PM
I'm sure that I know, just curious myself. I re-read the whole thread to make sure I hadn't slipped up. If they are posting and haven't gotten back to me by the end of tomorrow, I guess I will have to get a bit more serious.

Maverick223
July 4, 2012, 05:10 PM
I think that would be wise, and I hope they offer you a reasonable solution.

:)

straitnate14
July 4, 2012, 05:10 PM
Look at dsarms.com they have uppers pretty cheap, I have a zm4 from them that is very nice.

floorit76
July 4, 2012, 05:19 PM
I would like to have a complete Rock River, like I thought that I was buying in the first place.
The wife looked on facebook just now, and says that they haven't posted since before the storm. Perhaps there are more stores there?

Maverick223
July 4, 2012, 05:23 PM
The wife looked on facebook just now, and says that they haven't posted since before the storm. Perhaps there are more stores there?I have the correct store. They posted in response to a comment (regarding another GunBroker purchase where the buyer was having trouble reaching them...oh, the irony) on Monday. Look down a couple of spots and you should see it (under Elmo ;)).

:)

floorit76
July 4, 2012, 05:28 PM
She found it. Sounds like they are working on it.

68wj
July 4, 2012, 10:33 PM
Why not just buy receiver blocks, barrel nut wrench and a 5.56 barrel? Swap barrels and save or sell the 6.8 barrel.
Because he bought a RRA 5.56, not the DPMS 6.8 he received. Seller should make it right, especially as it sounds like they are a business and not just a misinformed private seller.

Tex4426
July 4, 2012, 10:51 PM
Im in indiana i also cannot use a 6.8 except for yotes...but tbey made the 450 bushmaster, 458 socom and 50 beowulf legal here....thats a lot of knockdown power if ur looking for a short range gun...downfall would be price of ammo

floorit76
July 4, 2012, 11:22 PM
223 is all I'm after. I have lots of rounds, and lots to load when I finially buy a press. Anything bigger is wasted out here on the long flat ground. The houses are spread out, but there are sheds and irrigation rigs everywhere.

meanmrmustard
July 5, 2012, 07:31 AM
223 is all I'm after. I have lots of rounds, and lots to load when I finially buy a press. Anything bigger is wasted out here on the long flat ground. The houses are spread out, but there are sheds and irrigation rigs everywhere.
They give you any indication on what they plan on doing to rectify?

Now I'm on a 6.8 kick cuz of this thread...dang. Posted my lower on Armslist in hopes I could get one someday.:(

floorit76
July 5, 2012, 08:21 PM
They contacted me today. I was offered a full refund plus shipping costs if I return the whole rifle. I asked if there was anything else that they could do, specifically that I would like to keep the lower since it is RRA and what I was after. Haven't heard back yet.

meanmrmustard
July 5, 2012, 08:22 PM
They contacted me today. I was offered a full refund plus shipping costs if I return the whole rifle. I asked if there was anything else that they could do, specifically that I would like to keep the lower since it is RRA and what I was after. Haven't heard back yet.
I'd almost make ya a better deal than before, but if you can get a refund, might be worth waiting. I'd still love to have that upper.

Maverick223
July 5, 2012, 08:38 PM
Glad to hear that they are willing to make it right.

:)

floorit76
July 5, 2012, 10:43 PM
Yes, it's better than nothing. But I believe MMM and I have other plans.

Twmaster
July 12, 2012, 06:35 PM
So, how did this end up?

Did they make good?

Didja trade with Col. Mustard?

:D

meanmrmustard
July 12, 2012, 06:41 PM
So, how did this end up?

Did they make good?

Didja trade with Col. Mustard?

:D
Unfortunately, no. I've defected to military antiques and building up an AKM collection. I believe he still has it. You may be in luck if he's offering still.

floorit76
July 12, 2012, 06:50 PM
I still have it as of now. I was planning a swap as of tomorow, unless someone makes me a better deal rather quickly. The original seller gave me the option of a complete refund if I returned the rifle. I asked for a deal that left me with the lower. So he offered me a small refund for my trouble, and I kept the entire rifle, upper and lower. Seemed more than fair to me.

meanmrmustard
July 12, 2012, 06:53 PM
I still have it as of now. I was planning a swap as of tomorow, unless someone makes me a better deal rather quickly. The original seller gave me the option of a complete refund if I returned the rifle. I asked for a deal that left me with the lower. So he offered me a small refund for my trouble, and I kept the entire rifle, upper and lower. Seemed more than fair to me.
Sooooo...you're selling the upper? What are you going to replace with?

floorit76
July 12, 2012, 06:56 PM
Just like I said in the email. A dealer down by Mexico MO is going to swap me for a Dpms flat top nib.

meanmrmustard
July 12, 2012, 06:58 PM
Just like I said in the email. A dealer down by Mexico MO is going to swap me for a Dpms flat top nib.
That's pretty cool. That answers the question as to whether or not a DPMS will mate with a RRA. I wish you luck, and post pics when you get it together!

floorit76
July 12, 2012, 07:56 PM
Dpms wasn't my first choice, but it is the configuration I wanted. And they carry several types of flip up sights. So I get to try a few out on the gas rail block to see which I like. I wanted Mbus, but Magpul says not to use them on a gas block rail due to the heat, since they are polymer. Now if the guy on craigslist with the $150 Eotech will just call me back...

meanmrmustard
July 12, 2012, 08:19 PM
Dpms wasn't my first choice, but it is the configuration I wanted. And they carry several types of flip up sights. So I get to try a few out on the gas rail block to see which I like. I wanted Mbus, but Magpul says not to use them on a gas block rail due to the heat, since they are polymer. Now if the guy on craigslist with the $150 Eotech will just call me back...
I'd hound him for that price.

floorit76
July 12, 2012, 08:31 PM
The ad said leave a message, probably some new scam. I'll be getting discount viargra phone calls now too.

303 hunter
July 12, 2012, 08:34 PM
I have an A3 upper with Colt HBAR 16" 1-9 twist barrel with Phantom flash hider in excellent condition. I would be interested in the 6.8 for hunting. PM me if interested.

floorit76
July 12, 2012, 08:53 PM
Pm sent. But I must say, anyone intrested should make an offer. We took tomorow off work to drive 2 hours and make the swap.

Twmaster
July 13, 2012, 08:32 AM
Heh... An EoTech for $150... Yea, I'll bet it's a chinese knock-off...

I'm glad the dealer refunded you some for the hassle.

I've already got 5.56 and 6.8 uppers so I can't help on your trade.

With what 6.8 uppers go for it sounds like the other guy is getting a steal of a deal.

floorit76
July 13, 2012, 09:02 AM
Not sure what to do. 303's pictures didn't come through. I'd like to shoot this thing yet this summer.

Tex4426
July 13, 2012, 10:26 AM
The 6.8spc in dpms 1-11 twist as far as price goes

http://www.midwayusa.com/product/375670/dpms-ar-15-ap4-a3-flat-top-upper-assembly-68mm-remington-spc-ii-1-in-11-twist-16-m4-contour-barrel-chrome-moly-matte-with-glacierguard-handguard-a2-front-sight-flash-hider

The equivalent upper in 5.56 as far as price difference


http://www.midwayusa.com/product/338432/dpms-ar-15-ap4-a3-flat-top-upper-assembly-556x45mm-nato-1-in-9-twist-16-m4-contour-barrel-chrome-moly-matte-with-glacierguard-handguard-a2-front-sight-flash-hider

It is the exact same upper just different chamber to give u an idea as to what price difference is compaired to equivalent style ar uppers..6.8 is 80 dollars more

Twmaster
July 13, 2012, 11:49 AM
It is the exact same upper just different chamber to give u an idea as to what price difference is compaired to equivalent style ar uppers..6.8 is 80 dollars more

Most of the DPMS 5.56 uppers Midway sells are less than $400 new. Two weeks ago I bought a 'slick side' DPMS Sportical with Glacier Guard for $374.99 from Midway.

Tex4426
July 13, 2012, 12:22 PM
Thise 2 uppers are one in the same i was just showing that the same upper in 6.8 has more value...that being said if u traded for a say noveske obviously that 5.56 is probably worth more than a dpms 6.8...anyways im assuming the upper he has is the one i listed but i could be wrong...i was mostly just letting floorit know what it runs new so he could gauge what price he could ask for it

floorit76
July 13, 2012, 12:28 PM
303 finally got the pics through. It's a nice looking combo. Now if we can just iron out the details.. I'm about to go but a second complete rifle just to play with till I get this sorted out. I have owned this one for nearly a month, and have still never fired an AR.

floorit76
July 13, 2012, 02:44 PM
Thanks everyone for the help. Looks like 303 and I have a deal.

meanmrmustard
July 13, 2012, 05:16 PM
Thanks everyone for the help. Looks like 303 and I have a deal.
Congrats.

Twmaster
July 13, 2012, 06:59 PM
Excellent!

68wj
July 13, 2012, 10:25 PM
Congrats to both of you for working it out. Welcome to the 6.8 world 303! :D

Maverick223
July 13, 2012, 11:59 PM
Glad you were able to get what you were after, and hopefully save a little for the hassle.

:)

floorit76
July 14, 2012, 09:21 AM
I don't think I got hurt. $750ish for the original gun, with a $100 refund makes it $650. There will be a few dollars shipping for the upper swap. But when I get done I'm going to have a RRA lower, with magpul Ctr stock and Moe grip. And a Colt Hbar barreled upper, with a Houge overmold free float tube for around $675. If I had to do it all over agian I might have just bought a complete new rifle, just to save the headache. But it looks like I'm going to have a decent shooter for less than if I had bought new, with a bunch of aftermarket goodies to boot. I will say that I have learned more about AR's in the last few weeks than I can believe. Some people told me when I was shopping not to get too hung up on names, and just buy a good deal, since all mil-spec parts are virtually identical. At this point, I think that is good advice.

Tex4426
July 14, 2012, 11:18 AM
RRA and colt...2 good names magpul another good name..you came out of it in good shape...hope it shoots well

303 hunter
July 14, 2012, 05:42 PM
Congrats to both of you for working it out. Welcome to the 6.8 world 303! :D
I went to a few gun shops looking for 6.8 ammo. $30-$45 per 20. Might as well stock up on some reloading supplies! I tried some 6.8 in a 5.56 magazine. It will load in the mag,but does anyone know if this combo will work?

Twmaster
July 14, 2012, 07:23 PM
You'll end up with failures to feed with that setup.

AR Stoner stainless steel mags for 6.8 are available at Midway for $12 each.

They work great.

Tex4426
July 14, 2012, 07:54 PM
If ur using pmags u can fit 8-10 in a 30 rounder before it bulges to much ...ive not done this personally but seen a guy at the rang go thru 5 pmag with 6.8 in them with no problems...said hes been doing it from the start an has never bought a 6.8 mag...pmags ar semi cheap and it would hurt u to much to try it if u wanted to

Twmaster
July 14, 2012, 08:10 PM
Why go for a maybe-fit when new proper high cap mags are cheap?

68wj
July 14, 2012, 08:55 PM
I went to a few gun shops looking for 6.8 ammo. $30-$45 per 20. Might as well stock up on some reloading supplies! I tried some 6.8 in a 5.56 magazine. It will load in the mag,but does anyone know if this combo will work?
Way too much unless that was loaded with Barnes (and still pricey at that). Direct from manufacturer here: http://www.ssarmory.com/6.8ammunitionsales.aspx Or check here a small producer in TX. Great range reports. http://68forums.com/forums/showthread.php?29888-COST-EFFECTIVE-115-gr-HPBT-on-SALE-at-Good-To-Go-Ammo

For mags, the AR Stoners from Midway that were suggested work well, or ASC http://hamlundtactical.com/catalog/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=118_273_249&products_id=3056 D&H makes a good mag too, but my handloads are too long to fit. CProducts Defense claims to be in the final stages of their 6.8 mag.

Tex4426
July 14, 2012, 09:01 PM
I wouldnt but he may already have some

303 hunter
July 14, 2012, 09:07 PM
You'll end up with failures to feed with that setup.

AR Stoner stainless steel mags for 6.8 are available at Midway for $12 each.

They work great.
The reason I asked is because I was reading on Del Ton's website awhile back that they were out of mags for their 7.62x39 conversion. They said you could load seven 7.62x39 rounds in a 20 round 5.56 mag and it would work until they got another mag shipment. Just wondering if it would work with the 6.8.

Maverick223
July 14, 2012, 10:54 PM
The 6.8mmSPC has less taper than the x39, so I don't see why it wouldn't make for a decent stopgap. Furthermore, there is no reason to use 30s if you are only going to load ~10, so if you already have 20s, give em a try and see.

:)

xerxesthecat
July 15, 2012, 06:40 PM
I've always had trouble trying to feed 6.8 out of a 5.56 mag. For the longest time I could not find a decent 5 or 10 round mag for bench use (those 30's just dont want to fit on the rest) so I had to make due with a usgi 20 and the constant jams. but eventually I found the 10rd 6.8 mag and lived happily ever after. BTW, OP, if you are still looking for a eotech, PM me. I have one sitting unused in the back of the cabinet.

floorit76
July 15, 2012, 08:34 PM
Wouldn't you know it. I went into a "local" (within 50 miles) gun shop today. On the rack was a brand new Palmetto M4 for $715 cash and carry! I nearly bought it too. If I'm not crazy about the one from 303, I know where I'm headed. Not to mention, right above it was a 700 sps tac in 308, also on my list, for $620 nib. I should have stayed home.

sixgunner455
July 15, 2012, 10:03 PM
I have to stay out of the funstores, too, floorit. If I start surfing ebay, or gunbroker, or any of that stuff, I start spending money.

Twmaster
July 16, 2012, 01:43 AM
I went to a few gun shops looking for 6.8 ammo. $30-$45 per 20. Might as well stock up on some reloading supplies!

Just an FYI, while still spendy I was in Cabela's in Allen, TX yesterday. They have 5 or 6 brands/types of 6.8 SPC ammo on the shelf.

Prices ranged from $19.99 to $26.99 per box. And of course the $19.99 stuff was out of stock....

xerxesthecat
July 16, 2012, 10:47 AM
thats not bad for 6.8; or cabelas. but a box of premium accubonds can be loaded for about half that price, vmax or sierras for much less.

Twmaster
July 16, 2012, 03:57 PM
Oh yea. I have dies, just need more brass.

floorit76
July 18, 2012, 07:18 PM
My new upper from 303 arrived today. And he said mine made it to him as well. Shame the brass catcher I ordered isn't here yet. But I believe I will get a few rounds through her yet this evening.

floorit76
July 18, 2012, 08:25 PM
http://i538.photobucket.com/albums/ff343/floorit76/Mobile%20Uploads/utf-8BSU1HLTIwMTIwNzE4LTAwMjQyLmpwZw.jpg

Ran through a few boxes of steel case. No problems, ran fine.

Twmaster
July 18, 2012, 09:04 PM
Nice. But then again I think all AR platform rifles look nice!

303 hunter
July 19, 2012, 03:57 PM
The 6.8mmSPC has less taper than the x39, so I don't see why it wouldn't make for a decent stopgap. Furthermore, there is no reason to use 30s if you are only going to load ~10, so if you already have 20s, give em a try and see.

:)
Put 7 rounds of 6.8 in an aluminum Colt AR 15 marked 20 rd. mag. Fed flawlessly. I don't like 30 rd. mags for bench work. Upper works great.

meanmrmustard
July 19, 2012, 08:01 PM
:( I'm brooding.

Twmaster
July 19, 2012, 11:03 PM
Here's my pair of ARs.

The one on top is the 6.8. The bottom one is 5.56.

http://www.twmaster.com/stuff/shoot/ar15sq.jpg

floorit76
July 21, 2012, 08:07 AM
Ok, it shoots geat, and is a lot of fun. But is it normal for an AR to be able to hear the buffer spring squeaking when you shoot? Doesn't appear to be hurting anything, but it is annoying.

JShirley
July 21, 2012, 08:09 AM
Does it sound like "SPROING!"?

meanmrmustard
July 21, 2012, 08:09 AM
Ok, it shoots geat, and is a lot of fun. But is it normal for an AR to be able to hear the buffer spring squeaking when you shoot? Doesn't appear to be hurting anything, but it is annoying.
Sometimes. I only ever noticed that when chambering a round though.

floorit76
July 21, 2012, 08:13 AM
It just sounds like a spring compressing and sliding on the metal inside the buffer tube. It just seemed awfully loud. Maybe it's my ear plugs. I was useing some diaphram type plugs that are suposed to let sound in until there is a loud report.

Tex4426
July 21, 2012, 09:09 AM
You should here a ping and a fading ringing sound...means its working

JShirley
July 21, 2012, 12:11 PM
I was useing some diaphram type plugs that are suposed to let sound in until there is a loud report

DANGER! Most of these plugs only stop about 15 decibels. You should be using either electronic hearing protection, foam plugs, or both. Using the type you used will result in damage in short order.

John

floorit76
July 21, 2012, 12:27 PM
HUH? Whats that? Can't hear you.
I will have to drag out the package to see. I have been useing these for quite awhile. I was a factory worker for years, and was required to wear plugs there. These don't seem to work any difrent than the foam jobs I keep around for everyone else, the same ones I wore at work. I'm not crazy about muffs.

JShirley
July 21, 2012, 03:19 PM
Foam plugs stop as much as 30 db. The valve types usually half that. If you're hunting, they may work fine, but if you're at the range, you need more.

John

floorit76
July 21, 2012, 10:07 PM
I looked mine up, they have a 24db reduction rating. I always shoot outdoors, never been to a range. And 223 is the largest thing i fire regularly. I already have hearing damage, at 35, so I am fairly careful these days. But I remeber when I was about 15 dad bought a charter arms bulldog 357, and I thought I could stand 5 158's without plugs. Or when dad told me to take my new 22 pistol and shoot holes in the trash barrel bottom so it didn't hold water. Boy I'd like to have a re-do on those. Nowdays I will shoot nothing but a 22 rifle without plugs. Pistols, even 22, and any rifle gets plugs. Unless it is a quick one shot deal, or chasing a coyote on short notice.

floorit76
July 22, 2012, 05:39 PM
Does anyone have a Burris fastfire 3 on their AR? I was set on the eotech, I really like the idea of AA bateries. But those things are huge looking. I want a "window" type dot, not a tube so I've been looking at the eotech, fastfire, deltapoint, c-more, etc.

floorit76
July 28, 2012, 01:54 PM
Couldn't take it.

http://i538.photobucket.com/albums/ff343/floorit76/Mobile%20Uploads/utf-8BSU1HLTIwMTIwNzI4LTAwMjU1LmpwZw.jpg

Twmaster
July 28, 2012, 05:49 PM
You won't regret that choice.

floorit76
July 28, 2012, 05:55 PM
It is amazing compared to the POS BSA reflex I had on it. The postman handed it to me at 12:05 and by 12:45 it had put 15 rounds into a 2" spot from 45 yards ,rapid fire. The target reacqusition, and precision of the 1moa dot is unbelievable.

I did however, have to put my Visa card on life support.

Twmaster
July 28, 2012, 07:07 PM
LOL! Life support....

We went shooting last weekend. One of my buddies brought out a new $1000 AR57 with a $40 Chinese Red-Dot. I have a Vortex StrikeFire on my 6.8 rifle.

Both guns were new. I never shot a Vortex before. After breaking in his AR57 then going to my rifle with the Vortex it was amazing the difference. He took the cheapo red-dot back to the store the next morning. I just wish I could justify the expense of an EOTech or Aimpoint. Both are amazing sights.

floorit76
July 28, 2012, 09:10 PM
I was utterly horrified when I first turned it on. The reticle seems extrememly fuzzy due to the dot matrix. Especially when you hold it too close when you are giddy from recieving it a day early. If I hadn't read the "How to tell if your Eotech is fake" thread somewhere, I would have been freaking out. But once mounted at a decent distance, and turned to an apropriate level, it isn't bad at all. If you are in the market, mine was an Ebay purchase. The guy was from MN, and had a few left NIB for $360 shipped.

Twmaster
July 28, 2012, 11:20 PM
You are brave. I'd never buy something like that from FeeBay. Too much chance of fraud.

floorit76
July 28, 2012, 11:21 PM
You only live once. Take a chance.

Tex4426
July 29, 2012, 01:45 AM
between my dad, brother, girlfriend and me we have bought over 500 items off ebay...we wer only screwed once on a 50 dollar item 3 years ago...out of the 25 items on gunbroker we wer screwed once and never got our 375 dies...out of all the money ive saved from these sights it is still well worth it..just got to know what your buying and check feedback and description..is not hard to see who not to buy from

Twmaster
July 29, 2012, 05:48 AM
I buy and sell on eBay a lot. Generally I am not afraid of buying there. However, these days eBay is flooded with knock-off high end sights. I'd rather buy from a reputable dealer and pay a little more than take my chances with out seeing the item up-close and personal.

It's just not worth it to ME.

68wj
July 29, 2012, 08:15 AM
Take a picture of the eotech with the flash on. If there is glare on the window, it is probably fake. No glare= good to go. They put a lot of effort into that lens but a fake can't duplicate it without costing as much.

floorit76
July 29, 2012, 08:27 AM
You guys got me worried. I did a bit of reading, and video watching, and it seems that I got the real deal. I guess to be absolutely sure I should contact Eotech, but I am 99.9% sure anyway. Either way it is amazingly accurate, and fast.

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