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scottbird
June 30, 2012, 02:25 PM
I just purchased an InterArms mark x 25-06. It is stamped Manchester England. The man I bought it from still had the original receipt. He had it custom made with a full synthetic stock, and an 18" barrel. It has a Field and Stream 4-16x50 scope on it, he fired it only eleven times, I have fired it several, and it seems very accurate. I paid 200.00 for it. I am trying to find some history about it, but have not had any luck so far. Any help would be most appreciated. Thank you, and do you think I got a good deal?

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vaupet
June 30, 2012, 03:46 PM
I have one in 270 win.

For most Interarms mark X-s the actions where made in former yugoslavie by Zastava on old machinery they bought of FN Herstal.

They are very good classic mauser 98 control round feed actions.

The rifles were finished in Birmingham.

303tom
June 30, 2012, 03:46 PM
You got a great deal, good luck with her.............

meanmrmustard
June 30, 2012, 03:59 PM
Mark Xs are awesome rifles. I use one in .223 for stand hunting here in MO. Very accurate rifles. Good find!:)

sage5907
June 30, 2012, 08:02 PM
Yes you got a good deal. As Vaupet said, the Mark X custom mauser commercial action was made in Yugoslavia by Zavodi Crvena Zastava. If you can find the book of Bolt Action Rifles by Frank de Haas the Mark X action features are explained on pages 187 and 188. BW

Pit4Brains
June 30, 2012, 08:07 PM
I can't tell you about the history of it but I can predict the future of it....If your willing to sell.

Nice score!

Maverick223
June 30, 2012, 08:46 PM
Excellent commercial Mauser action, I own a similar one (Whitworth Express, which is essentially the same action, in magnum form with a few upgrades) and it has become one of my favorites. Assuming that the condition is good, I'd say that you're looking at about a $400-500 rifle, so you did well. Now you just need to think about what to do about that 18in. bbl (it's a mite bit short to take advantage of the ballistics of a cartridge like the .25-06Rem.).

:)

MachIVshooter
June 30, 2012, 11:28 PM
25-06. ..........18" barrel.

Oweee! The .25-06 needs 24"+ to really shine.

It should be a nice rifle, but I'd definitely rebarrel it to 24"-26"

meanmrmustard
July 1, 2012, 01:46 AM
Does anyone know if there is a replacement stock manufacturer for the mini mark x?

Maverick223
July 1, 2012, 10:12 AM
Does anyone know if there is a replacement stock manufacturer for the mini mark x?I'm sure that there are others, but both Richards Microfit (99% inlet) and Boyds (semi-inlet) make one. I'm not sure about Fajen, but I doubt it as they have been focusing on the 10/22 market as of late. Personally I've had good experiences with Boyds (listed under the Remington 799), so that's likely the one that I would choose.

:)

meanmrmustard
July 1, 2012, 02:06 PM
I'm sure that there are others, but both Richards Microfit (99% inlet) and Boyds (semi-inlet) make one. I'm not sure about Fajen, but I doubt it as they have been focusing on the 10/22 market as of late. Personally I've had good experiences with Boyds (listed under the Remington 799), so that's likely the one that I would choose.

:)
Thanks Mav.

Elkins45
July 1, 2012, 06:11 PM
Oweee! The .25-06 needs 24"+ to really shine.

It should be a nice rifle, but I'd definitely rebarrel it to 24"-26"
Agreed. You're going to be blowing a LOT of unburned powder out the end of an 18" barrel in a 25-06.

That being said, $200 is a smoking deal on a classic action. I have a custom 257 Weatherby built on a commercial Mark X action and it's definitely a keeper.

Maverick223
July 1, 2012, 08:23 PM
No problem, Mr. Mustard.

As far as the bbl length goes, you may want to consider swapping for a different chambering if you decide to rebarrel. I know that the .25-06Rem. has garnered a bit of favor as of late, but I have never cared for any of the quarter bores (too much powder used on what is, IMO, a relatively ineffective/inefficient large game cartridge). Any '06 based cartridge would be a good choice and require little work to install.

:)

Kachok
July 2, 2012, 07:29 AM
An 18" tube on a 25-06 is more of a really loud flame thrower then a rifle, replacing that with a 24-26" would be the first thing I would do.

sage5907
July 2, 2012, 10:41 AM
There have been four responses saying the rifle should be re-barreled. These people should remember that scottbird paid only $200 for the rifle. A new barrel would cost at least $500. He should shoot the rifle as is with good hearing protection and chuckle every time he nails the bullseye. His original investment of $200 plus $500 would almost buy a new Winchester Model 70 featherweight. BW

Maverick223
July 2, 2012, 11:19 AM
Unless you bought a target-grade barrel had some custom work performed (or perhaps had it chambered for an unusual cartridge), the new bbl shouldn't exceed $300.00 installed by a competent smith.

:)

scchokedaddy
July 2, 2012, 12:28 PM
Good buy!! Got one I bought 38 years ago from Kmart, and still going strong. Back then they were tagged as having mark X action and Sako barrel. Mine is in 308.

sage5907
July 2, 2012, 03:59 PM
Maverick, your $300 barrel price seems low unless you know something that I don't. The cheapest production barrel offered by Douglas is $274. They charge $45 for cutting a chamber and shipping would be about $10. So your looking at $329 just getting a barrel to your gunsmith that has the proper length and contour, threaded, polished, crowned and has the chamber cut. A gunsmith still has to remove the old barrel, headspace the new barrel, cut the extractor recess, blue the new barrel and adjust the stock inletting to accept the new barrel. A 3 hour job at $60 and hour sends the price to $500 in a hurry. BW

rcmodel
July 2, 2012, 04:10 PM
He had it custom made with a full synthetic stockThis sounds like a 18" Mannlicher stocked rifle to me.

I think it might look a little funky with a new 26" barrel on it.

Anyway, the guy got the whole rifle for less then the action alone used to cost new many years ago.

Bee Happy, and if you want less muzzle blast, reload it with faster powder.

rc

Maverick223
July 2, 2012, 05:20 PM
Maverick, your $300 barrel price seems low unless you know something that I don't.I just wouldn't put a particularly costly bbl on a sporting rifle. Something like this (http://www.midwayusa.com/product/149911/adams-and-bennett-barrel-mauser-series-3-25-06-remington-f34-contour-1-in-10-twist-24-chrome-moly-in-the-white) (actually I would go with this one (http://www.midwayusa.com/product/443981/adams-and-bennett-barrel-mauser-series-3-280-remington-f34-contour-1-in-10-twist-24-chrome-moly-in-the-white), but that's immaterial) would be a pretty decent choice. They are chambered, threaded, and ready to finish chamber and blue. A friend of mine purchased one and while it isn't on par with a Krieger, Bartlein, et cetera, it has proven to be a pretty fair barrel for a sporting project...in other words I would use one myself in such a case.

This sounds like a 18" Mannlicher stocked rifle to me.I doubt it, being a synthetic stock.

:)

MachIVshooter
July 2, 2012, 10:33 PM
too much powder used on what is, IMO, a relatively ineffective/inefficient large game cartridge

There are countless game animals who's fate suggests otherwise.

If you personally don't like quarterbores, that's fine, but calling them ineffective and inefficient is just plain untrue. They're about perfect for medium game, and the larger ones (.25-06, .257 Weatherby) are fine for elk and other big game with proper bullet selection.

Kachok
July 3, 2012, 12:03 AM
I have seen many aftermarket barrels for my Savage for well under $150, good brands too.
http://www.midwayusa.com/product/656771/er-shaw-barrel-savage-110-series-small-shank-25-06-remington-factory-contour-1-in-10-twist-24-chrome-moly-blue
I cannot imagine yours would cost much more.

Maverick223
July 3, 2012, 02:40 AM
There are countless game animals who's fate suggests otherwise.

If you personally don't like quarterbores, that's fine, but calling them ineffective and inefficient is just plain untrue. They're about perfect for medium game, and the larger ones (.25-06, .257 Weatherby) are fine for elk and other big game with proper bullet selection.The same can be said for most any cartridge. Furthermore, i'm not saying that it won't get the job done, just pointing out that one can make a strong argument for other choices for someone that wants to hunt large game (the 6.5mm, .277cal., 7mm, and .30cal. have much more to offer IMO) and is considering rebarreling. The cartridge is horribly inefficient (whereas the .257Roberts isn't quite as bad in that respect and can perform nearly as well if a .25cal. is what your looking for), I don't see how you can argue otherwise, it just burns (or in the case of a short bbl, spews out the muzzle) too much powder for what you get in return.

MachIVshooter
July 3, 2012, 10:47 AM
I don't see how you can argue otherwise, it just burns (or in the case of a short bbl, spews out the muzzle) too much powder for what you get in return.

The simple formula I use for calculating cartridge efficiency when comparing those of different caliber is to use ft/lbs generated divided by powder grains used. I try to make it a more even playing field by using bullets at about the same point in the weight range for a given cartridge.

For instance, .243 Win, I'd use a 100 gr. bullet and average the powder charge required for max velocity. To compare that to the .25-06, I'd use 115 or 117 gr. bullets and average that load data. To throw in the .270, I'd use 140 grain bullets. I use the same barrel length whenever possible.

So, take your .243/100 gr. combo. In a 24" tube, it'll top out at ~3,100 FPS for ~2,100 FPE, and requires an average charge of ~43 grs. to do so. That's roughly 49 ft/lbs per grain.

Now take the .25-06 and a 117 gr. bullet in a 24" tube. This load also goes 3,100 FPS, generates 2,550 ft/lbs and and requires an average charge of ~52 grains. That's also ~49 ft/lbs per grain.

Now the .270/140 gr. An average charge of ~56 grs. will get you 3,000 FPS for 2,800 Ft/lbs. That's ~50 ft/lbs per grain.

Of course there's some latitude in the numbers that depend on a lot of things, but this does serve to demonstrate that the .25-06 is not really that inefficient. Fact is, any of the higher velocity cartridges in a given caliber will be less efficient than their smaller, slower counterparts. That's just the nature of the beast.

Maverick223
July 3, 2012, 11:21 AM
I think we are deviating from the purpose of the thread. Yes, all high velocity cartridges are inefficient, which is why I typically avoid them for large game hunting. Furthermore the energy makes little difference (other factors tend to be more important, such as cavitation/expansion volume in the wound) when it comes to effectiveness on game. Also the .25-06Rem. has a comparably poor trajectory/wind drift (for a med. range varminting?) due to the low BC projectiles available, so it just doesn't fill much of a role IMO. That said, it'll work if you really like it, and my intention was not to start a debate on the merits of most any cartridge (just throw out the idea that other choices are a viable option that should be explored for someone looking the re-bbl), so I'm going to leave this one alone and get back to the heart of the matter...the OP getting an outstanding deal on a very good Mauser action no matter what he decides to do with it.

:)

MachIVshooter
July 3, 2012, 01:11 PM
Furthermore the energy makes little difference (other factors tend to be more important, such as cavitation/expansion volume in the wound) when it comes to effectiveness on game

I know this. KE is just a good yardstick for comparing the potential of different cartridges, within reason. No, you really can't compare a .500 S&W to a .270 Win, even though they have about the same KE, because they wound in very different ways. But when comparing one high-velocity rifle round to another, it's a useful figure.

GooseGestapo
July 3, 2012, 06:19 PM
Good find. Excellent rifles. I snagged a .270 MkX last spring for $200. I cut the stock to fit me and installed a Boyds 1/2" recoil pad.

After cleaning it up and mounting a scope, and trying a few loads, I found that it "likes" the Hornady 140gr BtSpt (midwayusa.com "blems") over 58.5gr of RL22. It shoots 1/2-3/4" 3-shot groups with it.

I wasn't suprised at the accuracy as I've had one since 1974. I bought it new, in .30'06. I shot numerous 1-hole groups with it with Norma factory 150gr ammo and killed my first deer with it in 1976. I also found many different combinations of components with reloads that did likewise but none better than 56.5gr of IMR4350 and a Sierra 165gr BtHpt or BtSpt or 168gr MatchKing.

I got "bored" with the .30/06 and had it rebarreled to .338/06. (I still have the orinal barrel, too). It's not quite as accurate as either of the original barrels (including the .270), but it will on occasion shoot 3-shot 1" groups. But, it's a real heavy hitter with a 250gr Hornady or Nosler at near 2,600fps. About 75fps behind a .338winmag.

A best friend has one of the MkX "Whitworth" Viscount (economy version) in .25/06. He also gets 1/2" accuracy for 3-shots with it. His preferred load is 43.0gr of IMR4320. Yes, 4320.... under a Sierra 120gr BtHpt for about 2,900fps (chrono'd with my chrono). This should be a real good load from your "abbreviated" barrel.... Should still get 2,700-2,750fps from your 18"bbl. Or about like my 22" bbl .257Roberts (military M98 action). It's killed over 125 deer since I built it in 1983. Nothing wrong with it's performace.....

FWIW; I bought my .338" bbl from MidwayUSA.com for $59.00. It cost me $100 to get it chambered, blued, and installed by a gunsmith. This included refinishing the entire rifle with a matte finish and crowning the muzzle with a 11deg taper crown.

re: Stocks. Boyds.com has walnut, laminated, and finished stocks for the MkX action. Also, the Hogue's synthetic stock for the '98 Mauser only requires a slight amount of fitting. I have the Hogue's on my .338/06. I love it as it noticeably reduces the felt recoil from the .338/06...

scottbird
July 5, 2012, 03:42 PM
"There have been four responses saying the rifle should be re-barreled. These people should remember that scottbird paid only $200 for the rifle. A new barrel would cost at least $500. He should shoot the rifle as is with good hearing protection and chuckle every time he nails the bullseye. His original investment of $200 plus $500 would almost buy a new Winchester Model 70 featherweight. BW"

I would like to thank you for that comment, I have shot this rifle, 50 shots so far, am shooting .75" at 350 yards with 100 grain remington corlockets. I also found this gun was special orderd with this 18" barrel and that it has a higher rate of twist to make up for its lemgth, so my gunsmith tells me. it is loud, but man it is accurate, and I love it, going to leave it as it is.

scottbird
July 5, 2012, 04:01 PM
"I think we are deviating from the purpose of the thread. Yes, all high velocity cartridges are inefficient, which is why I typically avoid them for large game hunting. Furthermore the energy makes little difference (other factors tend to be more important, such as cavitation/expansion volume in the wound) when it comes to effectiveness on game. Also the .25-06Rem. has a comparably poor trajectory/wind drift (for a med. range varminting?) due to the low BC projectiles available, so it just doesn't fill much of a role IMO. That said, it'll work if you really like it, and my intention was not to start a debate on the merits of most any cartridge (just throw out the idea that other choices are a viable option that should be explored for someone looking the re-bbl), so I'm going to leave this one alone and get back to the heart of the matter...the OP getting an outstanding deal on a very good Mauser action no matter what he decides to do with it."

I am not a judge of peoples things. I feel I shoot what I like and what I think is comfortable, I will not say your guns are not good enough, therefor I think I should deserve the same respect from you. if you do not like the caliber that I shoot, fine that is your right, but it is not your right to tell me I should choose something else.

Furthermore, did you even ask what I was hunting? no, you just got up there and started telling about its faults, All i hunt is varmints, and shoot targets.
I believe we each should be entitled to use the caliber of our choice, and others should respect that decision, and keep their opinions to their selves.\

I thank each of you for your input, I believe I have found a good gun, I love shooting it. I think that is all that matters, if we are happy with what we have, we are happier than those who always complain.

Maverick223
July 5, 2012, 09:07 PM
I am not a judge of peoples things. I feel I shoot what I like and what I think is comfortable, I will not say your guns are not good enough, therefor I think I should deserve the same respect from you. if you do not like the caliber that I shoot, fine that is your right, but it is not your right to tell me I should choose something else.I didn't tell you to choose something else, I simply suggested that there were other options available.

Furthermore, did you even ask what I was hunting? no, you just got up there and started telling about its faults, All i hunt is varmints, and shoot targets.
I believe we each should be entitled to use the caliber of our choice, and others should respect that decision, and keep their opinions to their selves.I call it like I see it; which is to say: a poor choice for varmints or big game hunting...I don't even believe it is a good compromise of the two...you can like it or lump it. You asked for input and information, that's what you got...perhaps you shouldn't have if you didn't want any.

Kachok
July 6, 2012, 12:59 AM
I have always preferred the .264 cals over the .257s, but I for one would never bad mouth a quarterbore, some of the most experienced hunters I know swear by them. The guys who handload say the 117gr SGK is the baddest deer dropper on the planet, and if I had heard that from one or two of them I would chalk that up as luck, but having heard that from over a dozen of them most of who also shoot lager calibers has left quite an impression on me. I would in no way shape or form feel handicapped hunting deer with a 25-06 instead of my 6.5x55 or 308.
Paper ballistics are great, but they are a long way from telling the whole story, sure the 257s lack the uber high BC and SD of some of the other calibers but they make up for it in sheer speed on thin skinned game.

scottbird
July 9, 2012, 01:24 PM
I do not hunt deer I have an intestinal disease and am not able to eat it, therefore why hunt it. I mainly hunt groundhogs, coyotes, and other pests. My 25-06 though the first one I have owned, I like it. I have already taken around 20 groundhogs and one coyote, of which the longest shot was around 175 yards. Here in southwest virgin a where I live, that is about the longest shot you get on about anything.

I know I am really enjoying the gun, and started reloading for it this week, still working on a good round. Using 117gr sierra game king spitzer boatail, and Imr 4350 powder.

Once I find that load that seems to work best in my rifle I will post it. God bless each of you, and thanks so much for the info. I am new to reloading, a friend is helping me, I am having a hard time finding brass, if you know where to find any, and I would appreciate the help.

scottbird
July 9, 2012, 01:41 PM
I would like to thank you for that comment, I have shot this rifle, 50 shots so far, am shooting .75" at 350 yards with 100 grain remington corlockets. I also found this gun was special orderd with this 18" barrel and that it has a higher rate of twist to make up for its length, so my gunsmith tells me. it is loud, but man it is accurate, and I love it, going to leave it as it is.

.75" at 350 yards i am sorry I meant 1.75" at 200 yards. I did not mean to give more credit than deserved, just had a hair brained day.

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