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7.62x51NATO
June 30, 2012, 08:31 PM
Was doing a bit of research and came across this strange rifle. It fires a highly accurate 2 shot burst (or has a fully automatic function), has a canted magazine to I *think* give room for the steel cable/pulley/cartridge rammer to feed rounds into the feedway etc. This thing is confusing me...I am just assuming all of this from what I have read. It seems somewhat foolish to me though involving a steel cable and a pulley into the rifle but maybe I'm wrong. Do any of you have any insight to provide for me on this strange rifle on how it works? :confused: (Sorry If I'm not providing much information, I haven't done too much digging as of yet, still working on it though.) Thanks ahead of time.

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TurtlePhish
June 30, 2012, 08:34 PM
It's supposed to put two shots into the exact same spot to penetrate body armor that the round wouldn't normally penetrate with a single shot, not to mention giving any additional advantages you'd get from a double tap. The gun itself wasn't adopted by the Russian military because of the high cost and complicated work involved in the production, but it's a really cool concept firearm that I'd love to be able to own.

LJ-MosinFreak-Buck
June 30, 2012, 08:34 PM
It's a rifle produced by Abakan or Akaban, but pretty sure it's Abakan. It was designed to replace the AK platform of rifles for the Russian Army, but was deemed too complex and too expensive to produce in the numbers that Russia wanted. I've also heard that it's reliability isn't up to par with the standard AKM's, so there's another factor, too. All in all, a neat project, just one that didn't make it through.

7.62x51NATO
June 30, 2012, 08:41 PM
It does sound like a very cool concept...I do suppose it would be difficult to teach Russian grunts how to field strip the AN-94 as opposed to the new AK-74M models I believe they are using now. I never thought of the costs either; that is another really good point. I'm still mystified on the method of operation and how both shots are fired before feeling any recoil whatsoever. Is there any special purpose the strange muzzle brake offers over any other muzzle device or does it serve the same purposes and it is just a new design? I can't seem to find much of anything on this rifle. I guess because it's production and testing was so limited. Thanks for the replies, guys! Always learning something new here. :)

LJ-MosinFreak-Buck
June 30, 2012, 08:48 PM
It does sound like a very cool concept...I do suppose it would be difficult to teach Russian grunts how to field strip the AN-94 as opposed to the new AK-74M models I believe they are using now.

It's an overly-complex weapon compared to what they're used to, that's for sure. Though I believe they're onto the AK-100 series rifles now, i.e. the SGL's I believe if I'm not mistaken, though they're trying to move on to yet another AK, the AK-12. Not sure about progress on that one, though.

I never thought of the costs either; that is another really good point.

Money is a driving factor everywhere.

I'm still mystified on the method of operation and how both shots are fired before feeling any recoil whatsoever.

They have the "BAR" system, I think it's called, it's basically one gas piston moving forward, and another moving back, but that isn't the case on the Abakan. The AN-94 uses a reciprocating barrel to help reduce recoil-

Is there any special purpose the strange muzzle brake offers over any other muzzle device or does it serve the same purposes and it is just a new design?

Completely new design, I believe it captures the gasses and redirects it up and to the sides, if I am not mistaken, and I also believe, though I may be wrong, but I think it aids with the reciprocating barrel.

I can't seem to find much of anything on this rifle. I guess because it's production and testing was so limited.

That's basically what it boils down to.

TurtlePhish
June 30, 2012, 08:50 PM
The rifle loads two cartridges into a special mechanism that's able to feed them super-fast, which is why when it's fired in FA the first two rounds come out at 1800RPM, then drop to the normal, slower ROF.

If you watch slow-mo of the rifle firing, the first shot fires, the barrel recoils separate from the receiver, and the second shot fires as the barrel reaches the end of it's travel.

The new muzzle brake is more effective at reducing noise from the shot (designed for this), and about as effective at recoil reduction as the 74 brake (maybe a little more?). However, it's much more expensive and labor-intensive to machine than a 74 brake.

LJ-MosinFreak-Buck
June 30, 2012, 08:50 PM
AN-94 on Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AN-94)

This link may help, not sure if you've already read here.

LJ-MosinFreak-Buck
June 30, 2012, 08:52 PM
And the burst fire is at 1800RPM, not 1200.

TurtlePhish
June 30, 2012, 08:52 PM
And the burst fire is at 1800RPM, not 1200.


Fixed that, thanks.

LJ-MosinFreak-Buck
June 30, 2012, 08:55 PM
No problem man, I try to be correct wherever possible :) lol

Though, I don't know much about this rifle, but I have stated as much as I do, or think, I know. lol

mshootnit
June 30, 2012, 09:07 PM
I will buy one when they come out with Varmint/ Laminate version

Sam1911
June 30, 2012, 09:29 PM
Interesting video of the AN-94 (http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=643977)

Whatever happened to the AN-94 (http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=558495)

AN-94 Civilian Version (http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=515498&highlight=abakan)

AN-94 Internals (http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=382018&highlight=abakan)

AN-94 vs. M16...which one is superior? (http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=360055&highlight=abakan)

WardenWolf
June 30, 2012, 10:17 PM
Chances are Russia is going to adopt the AK-12, which is a modernized version of the AK-74. There's absolutely nothing wrong with the AK system. It's plenty accurate with modern production methods, and as cheap and reliable as ever. The AS Val has largely taken over for more special units. It's lightweight, compact, and has an integral silencer. The receiver somewhat resembles an SVD's.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/As_Val

LJ-MosinFreak-Buck
June 30, 2012, 10:22 PM
And shooting the 9.3x39 isn't it? I'm not too sure on that though. That being said, I'd love me an AK-74.

TurtlePhish
June 30, 2012, 10:31 PM
And shooting the 9.3x39 isn't it?

Yup, stuff goes right through most body armor, and it suppresses very well. Though I think it's just 9x39.

LJ-MosinFreak-Buck
June 30, 2012, 10:42 PM
Has something to do with being subsonic, doesn't it?

TurtlePhish
June 30, 2012, 10:45 PM
Has something to do with being subsonic, doesn't it?

SP-5 (7N8) - The SP-5 (СП-5) (SP: Spetsialnyj Patron; "Special Cartridge") was developed by Nikolai Zabelin. It is a conventional lead core FMJ bullet, but developed for accuracy.
SP-5UZ - The SP-5UZ (СП5-УЗ) is an SP-5 variant with an increased charge intended for a factory-specific strength testing of the weapons.
SP-6 (7N9) - The SP-6 (СП-6) was developed by Yuri Frolov. It has a hardened metal armor piercing core. It can penetrate 2 mm (0.079 in) of steel at 500 meters or 6 mm (0.24 in)of steel, 2.8 mm (0.11 in) of titanium or 30 layers of Kevlar at 200 meters. At 100 meters it penetrates 8 mm (0.31 in) of steel, while retaining enough power to neutralize a soft target behind it.
SP-6UCh - The SP-6UCh (СП-6УЧ) is an SP-6 variant intended for training.
PAB-9 (7N12) - The SP-6's bullet is expensive, so an attempt was made to make a lower-cost version of the cartridge. The PAB-9 (ПАБ-9) used a stamped rather than machined steel core. It sacrificed too much performance to be usable. As of 2011, its usage is prohibited.[1]
SPP - The SPP (СПП) (SPP: Snaiperskie Povishennaya Probivaemost; "Sniper - Increased Penetration") is a sniper round with an increased penetration.
BP - The BP (БП) (BP: Broneboin'ie Pulya; "Armor-Piercing Bullet") is an armor-piercing round.

From http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/9x39mm

Sorry for the partial threadjack!

Ian
June 30, 2012, 10:48 PM
The AN-94 makes an interesting concept gun, but I wouldn't want to take one into a fight. I handled one, and I think it needs a bit more development. The sights and stock both suck. Make mine an AK-74, please.

LJ-MosinFreak-Buck
June 30, 2012, 11:04 PM
Thanks, Phish, makes a good read!

Sam1911
June 30, 2012, 11:19 PM
I handled one, and I think it needs a bit more development. The sights and stock both suck. Make mine an AK-74, pleaseCool! Where did you get to play with one? And was there any noticeable balance/handling issue with the offset mag?

LJ-MosinFreak-Buck
June 30, 2012, 11:21 PM
I would imagine it'd lean towards the right, where it cants off to, but I've never handled one, as much as I'd like to.

Sam1911
June 30, 2012, 11:22 PM
Yeah, could. Or, since the offset is pretty slight, you might not notice it at all. Just curious, as Ian is now only the second person (...maybe third) I've spoken with who's ever handled one.

LJ-MosinFreak-Buck
June 30, 2012, 11:24 PM
First I know of. Man, maybe I should get out more! LOL.

Sam Cade
June 30, 2012, 11:41 PM
It's a rifle produced by Abakan or Akaban, but pretty sure it's Abakan.

Just no.

The rifle was built by IZHMASH, in the city of Izhevsk,Russian Federation.

"Abakan" was the code name for the developmental project.

LJ-MosinFreak-Buck
June 30, 2012, 11:42 PM
Just no.

The rifle was built by IZHMASH, in the city of Izhevsk,Russian Federation.

"Abakan" was the code name for the developmental project.

Already stated I may be wrong. Learn something new everyday.

happygeek
July 1, 2012, 12:17 AM
I read somewhere that in tests the AN94 didn't quite live up to the 2 bullets in the same hole hype, and hence didn't defeat Level IV armor.

7.62x51NATO
July 1, 2012, 12:18 AM
The As-Val is a similar concept to the VSS Vintorez no? I do recall seeing a couple of them and they were quite similar looking, and fired the same 9x39 caliber round except I recall the VSS having a much different stock and was configured as more of a "sniper" or marksman rifle. Though I don't see the REAL benefit due to the subsonic round unless it is for closer range engagements.

TurtlePhish
July 1, 2012, 12:21 AM
The As-Val is a similar concept to the VSS Vintorez no? I do recall seeing a couple of them and they were quite similar looking, and fired the same 9x39 caliber round except I recall the VSS having a much different stock and was configured as more of a "sniper" or marksman rifle. Though I don't see the REAL benefit due to the subsonic round unless it is for closer range engagements.


They have 70% parts interchangeability, action is pretty much identical. Intended use is 400m, max.

Fun fact: the VSS can quickly be disassembled and put into a briefcase, James Bond style, for KGB use. I've also seen videos of it being used to shatter dangerously large icicles hanging from buildings in cities (obvious safety reasons), due to the low report.

LJ-MosinFreak-Buck
July 1, 2012, 12:29 AM
Oh, them Russians...:rolleyes:

WardenWolf
July 1, 2012, 02:36 AM
The AS Val is a fine piece. Incredibly lightweight, low recoil, and damn near silent. It's literally a "click" sound. Same goes for the Vintorez. One of the cool things about the Vintorez is it can be fired full-auto and take the same magazines as the AS Val, making it an extremely versatile weapon. It can switch from sniper to assault rifle at will. It's definitely one of the better designs to come out of Russia.

7.62x51NATO
July 1, 2012, 04:20 AM
Correct me if I'm wrong but isn't the AS-VAL a select-fire weapon as well? I thought both were at least. Definitely serves its purpose, though. Has one heck of an AP/Body armor defeating bullet to it. Kinda reminds me of a scaled down 15.2x169 that the Steyr IWS 2000 used. Which was one HECK of an armor-piercing round IIRC. Don't mean to get off topic though! :o

WardenWolf
July 1, 2012, 05:30 AM
Indeed, they both are.

Ian
July 1, 2012, 10:08 AM
Cool! Where did you get to play with one? And was there any noticeable balance/handling issue with the offset mag?

The mag wasn't loaded, but I expect you would notice a bit of odd balance because of it when full. Not enough that you wouldn't get used to it (think of side-magazines SMGs like the Sten and Sterling, where it doesn't cause a major problem), but something noticeable when you pick the rifle up. Unfortunately, I didn't have the chance to shoot or disassemble it - it had just recently been acquired by the British NFC (Pattern Room collection) when I was visiting there this spring.

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