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fallout mike
July 1, 2012, 05:13 PM
Anybody tried these in .32 cal or 7.62x25 cal?

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TurtlePhish
July 1, 2012, 05:19 PM
Accuracy is awful from everything I've read. The rifling twist was designed for the long, 147gr bullets in the surplus stuff, not light and stubby pistol bullets.

tahunua001
July 1, 2012, 05:25 PM
I have them in 7.62x25 for both mosins and enfields. they aren't as great as they are made out to be. the casings fire form out to the adapters which causes the casing to get stuck in the adapter. I ended up having to make my own extractor setup buy drilling a hole in a 2x4 that is large enough for the x25 casing to fit through but not large enough for the 303 or x54r adapter to fit through. then placing the adapter over the hole I place a screwdriver inside and drive it down with a small hammer. the x25 casing goes through the 2x4 while the adapter stays in place...it's the best method I've found that works.

if you have a bunch of tokarev ammo laying around with nothing to shoot them out of(my situation) then the 15 dollar adapter is a great way to get rid of it but otherwise it's a pain in the butt... I guess if you think about it though, it's no more trouble than muzzle loading and you still have decent accuracy inside 100 yards.

fallout mike
July 1, 2012, 05:54 PM
Ima thinking for $15 it might be worth trying for kicks and giggles. Be like getting to shoot a new gun on the cheap.

TurtlePhish
July 1, 2012, 06:34 PM
If it's that cheap, no reason not to buy it... Who doesn't love a new toy? :D

fallout mike
July 1, 2012, 07:13 PM
Actually $13.99. I guess ill buy both of them.

303tom
July 2, 2012, 12:58 AM
I use them with no complaints, here is a picture of a couple I use in .308, these two are .32 ACP & .30 Carbine..........

T Bran
July 2, 2012, 01:05 AM
Mike
Would you care to share your source or is this a private sale?
For 15 bucks what the heck even if you dont like them no big loss. You can always post them for resale here or elsewhere.
Have fun.

fallout mike
July 2, 2012, 01:12 AM
Sportsman guide

tahunua001
July 2, 2012, 02:12 AM
sportsmans guide is the only place I've found them for sale. they just come in a stapled shut ziplock bag with little information other than a disclaimer that you may have to lubricate the adapter to allow proper extraction. I have no idea even who the manufacturer is. I've heard that some come with an extractor but both of mine came as is. a little update. I just found out that my x25 to 54R adapter got crushed so I now I only have one for 303 brit. be careful with them.

EDIT: 303 tom, I am a little jealous, 30 carbine would be a fun round out of a 308(or in my case 30-06) but apparently that one is discontinued. now they only sell for 30 tok, 32ACP and one 22 pellet launcher for 223.

303tom
July 2, 2012, 09:58 AM
Here is where I get mine..................

http://www.mcace.com/adapters.htm

Remember they are in Alaska check your times............

wnycollector
July 2, 2012, 11:25 AM
+1 on the mcase adapter. I used their
308 to 30 Mauser (it fits 7.62 tokarev) adapter with my ishapore enfield.

tahunua001
July 2, 2012, 11:38 AM
MCA sounds interesting, they offer quite a few different options. I might have to place a few orders from them. thanks for the heads up 303 tom.

303tom
July 2, 2012, 02:11 PM
I had them build me one for .303 in .32 Fed. Mag., same size bullet .312. That is when I figured out I wanted a 77/.327...........

fallout mike
October 29, 2012, 12:46 PM
Update guys. I bought the x25 adapter right after I started this thread. The .32 was out of stock. Anyway, I put it in my gun closet and basically forgot about it until yesterday when I found it while organizing everything in there. So I ordered some ammo last night after I found it. My favorite place to order gun related stuff only had 85gr fmj in stock. This is my question. I am just curious. Anybody have any kind of idea on what the velocity will be? I believe it said 1730ish fps put of a handgun. I do have a chrono but was hoping someone would have a ballpark number to quench my curiosity until im able to chrono it myself.

Dentite
October 29, 2012, 04:46 PM
I've used the 7.62x25 adapter in 7.62x54R. It's fun in that there is no recoil and super quiet in a full length MN rifle. Accuracy wasn't all that great. One thing to consider though...I got a couple peirced primers that I thought might be attributed to not having the x25 round fully seated into the adapter. YMMV.

Vern Humphrey
October 29, 2012, 04:49 PM
Try the Hammond Game Getter. This is essentially a cartridge case with an off-center primer pocket. The "primer pocket" is actually a camber for .22 rimfire, and it's offset so the center fire firing pin will set off the cartridge.

In use, you load a buckshot in the mouth of the case and a nail-settling blank in tne chamber.

Mine is in .30-06 and the Game Getter comes packaged with a die that allows you to swage buckshot to the right diameter for your rifle. It shoots 1" groups at 25 yards, right on top of the thick crosshair.

Kiln
October 29, 2012, 11:35 PM
I guess the idea behind the adapters is kind of neat but at the same time I don't really see the purpose.

Buying 40 rounds of surplus 7.62x54 is in the same price range as both of the other calibers and is actually powerful and able to be fed from the magazine. From what I understand, with the case adapter you've got to load and extract each casing by hand.

tahunua001
October 30, 2012, 01:12 AM
I guess the idea behind the adapters is kind of neat but at the same time I don't really see the purpose.

Buying 40 rounds of surplus 7.62x54 is in the same price range as both of the other calibers and is actually powerful and able to be fed from the magazine. From what I understand, with the case adapter you've got to load and extract each casing by hand.

the purpose is to be able to throw a box of light weight ammo in your pocket and go out and blast away at pine cones, squirrels, chipmunks, and not have to pack hearing protection or worry about recoil. they sound like a CCI stinger in 22lr so there is no ringing in your ears when you are done. there is no recoil so even children, smaller people, and even the elderly can join in on the fun. the concept is little different from muzzle loading. low volume close range plinking amd lightweight fun.

EDIT: there are also more options thank just mosin nagants. when you start getting into 30-06, 303 bit, and 308 winchester, the tokarev, 30 carbine, and 32 auto ammo becomes a lot cheaper than the parent chambering.

303tom
October 30, 2012, 01:14 AM
Check out this one............

tahunua001
October 30, 2012, 01:21 AM
that's 2 dead mice with an enfield at 50 yards with open sights....Is hard for me to even see them at that range lol...nice shooting tom.

fallout mike
October 30, 2012, 11:46 AM
I got it for all the reasons tahunua001 stated.

fallout mike
October 30, 2012, 11:48 AM
Not bad shooting for 50 yards with that. More accurate than I thought it would be.

303tom
October 30, 2012, 02:46 PM
You are not going to get that kind of accuracy from a .308 bullet from a .312 barrel, that why I had em build me one for .303 Brit. to shoot .327 Fed. Mag. it has a .312 bullet, hell with the 7.65x17/.32 ACP in .308 at 30 yards I can just about drive nails, check this out........I probably pulled the one down by the tail.

kBob
October 30, 2012, 05:15 PM
303Tom,

How did you go about getting MCA to do a case they do not list in a caliber they do not list and how much did it end up costing?

I really like the idea of a .327 Magnum insert in 7.62x54.

I can not begin to say how interested I might be in say a .32 ACP or .30 carbine or 7.62x25 in 7.5 x54 French!

In the past folks on THR have complained that the 7.62 T to 7.62x54 have been very inaccurate owing to 7.62 Tok being loaded with .308 bullets. Long free bore + short bullet+ poor size match = can't be that good.

Infact I thing the long free bore is the major hold up on accuracy in these things in whatever caliber dispite your excellent results.

I used a .32 ACP in .308 with good results in a Savage 110 and found Silver tips worked most accrately but that el cheapo FMJ from whom ever worked OK call it 3 to 4 MOA. I have been curious if it might not be possible to work up a .32 ACP load with a 110 grain lead Carbine bullet like the .32 French Long folks do, but not curios enough to risk either blowing a primer or having to hammer a lead slug out of my barrel. SOmeting like one of the old pistol silhuette shooters 140 grain .30-30 bullet in a .32 H&R Magnum might be interesting in one of those adaptors as well.

I got better results with one of the .22LR adapters in .223 in a mini-14 Ranch rifle....and worse in an Colt HBAR. "Been gonna" try some 60 grain Aquila SSS in the HBAR for years and have not got a round to it.

In the past e-mails I sent to MCA remained un answered so How did you getter done?

-kBob

kBob
October 30, 2012, 05:17 PM
Vern,

Being basically lazy I must ask if you have a POC on those Hammond buck shot shooters.

-kBob

tahunua001
October 30, 2012, 07:38 PM
Kbob, you just have to send them an email stating the caliber you want and the chamber you want to shoot it out of and ask if it's possible.

they got back to me within 1 day with a question I had.

303tom
October 31, 2012, 01:33 AM
I Fax em what I want & ask for a conformation..............
MCA Sports/Ace Bullet Company
2800 West 33rd Road
Anchorage, Alaska 99517-2201
Fax: (907) 248-4913

Realize they are in Alaska, so beware of the time !

Sport45
October 31, 2012, 01:44 AM
I have an adapter to shoot .32acp in my 7.7mm Arisaka. It's okay out to 50 yards and great for letting little ones shoot the rifle. I quit using the thing when i started reloading since I could use cast bullets and small amounts of pistol powder to do the same thing better.

I think mine came from Ajax Grips. I don't know if they're still around though.

303tom
October 31, 2012, 10:22 AM
These people do em to...............

http://www.lothar-walther.com/481.php

fallout mike
October 31, 2012, 12:19 PM
Still waiting on my ammo. Will give my accuracy results and chrono results as soon as it makes it. Depending on accuracy will depend in whether I will load for the round ir not.

Vern Humphrey
October 31, 2012, 06:32 PM
Hammond Game Getters
http://www3.telus.net/gamegetter/

fallout mike
November 11, 2012, 10:40 AM
Winchester 85gr fmj was averaging about 1820fps. Accuracy is horrendous at 50 yards. Next weekend ill try it at a closer range. I may also try the .32 insert.

303tom
November 11, 2012, 03:15 PM
Winchester 85gr fmj was averaging about 1820fps. Accuracy is horrendous at 50 yards. Next weekend ill try it at a closer range. I may also try the .32 insert.
What are you shooting in what ?

Vern Humphrey
November 11, 2012, 05:27 PM
If you're serious about shooting a subcaliber, try the Hammond Game Getter.

Chevelle SS
November 11, 2012, 06:02 PM
I got one for my 30.06 and I couldn't hit a 12"x12" at 25 yards.

Vern Humphrey
November 11, 2012, 06:06 PM
Mine shoots 1" groups at 25 yards, right at the top of the thick part of the lower vertical crosshair. Are you properly sizing your buckshot?

The trick is to get a hardwood board about 1" thick and cut a hole with a holesaw a little smaller than the sizing die. Get a steel shaft, small enough to go completely through the hole, and lightly chamfer the end.

Then put your buckshot in a dish with heavy motor oil. Put the die on the hardwood board over the hole, drop an oiled buckshot in the die, and tap it through with the rod and a mallet.

fallout mike
November 12, 2012, 09:49 PM
303tom, 7.62x25 through a mosin nagant with the chamber insert. This was really just for kicks and giggles. The insert is only $13.

fallout mike
November 12, 2012, 09:51 PM
Vern, what kind of price do those Hammond's run?

Vern Humphrey
November 12, 2012, 10:06 PM
Vern, what kind of price do those Hammond's run?
$45 Canadian, plus postage. They come in a nice box, with sizing die (a thick piece of steel with a tapered, well-polished hole. The box has compartments for blanks and sized bullets and will go in a jacket pocket.

fallout mike
November 12, 2012, 10:48 PM
Sounds very reasonable. I saw your post when you first mentioned it but didn't check it out bc I thought it would be more than im willing to pay. I think ill check it out now. Thanks for the info.

303tom
November 13, 2012, 10:43 AM
303tom, 7.62x25 through a mosin nagant with the chamber insert. This was really just for kicks and giggles. The insert is only $13.
That bullet is a little small for the Mosin Nagant of course it is not going to be accurate.

fallout mike
November 13, 2012, 11:50 AM
Yea I wasn't expecting much but was not expecting just how bad it was. The .32 may be a little better. Im about to order Vern's suggestion as well. This is strictly to pass the time with some entertainment. It gives me a cheap toy to tinker with.

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