'classy' skeet shotguns


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Sven
January 30, 2003, 10:54 PM
I don't plan on hunting too much, more see myself busting clays up the road. If I do so, I'd like to do so in style.

What's a real classy Skeet gun? I'd love to here recomendations.

I'd be willing to wait and save up for a really good one, so - barring those 6-figure guns I've seen on the web - what would your ultimate, classy skeet shotgun be?

What action type? Break action?

What do the best guys use?

I love beautiful woods and engravings. Beretta's engraving is amazing to behold, even in JPEG:

http://www.beretta.com/images_2002/dettaglincisioni1.jpg

Beretta Engravings Website (http://www.beretta.com/incisioni_2002/incisioni_2002.asp)

I'm just starting to read up on shotguns, and would love to hear from those in the know regarding a classic, collectable and practical skeet gun.

So many questions - thanks for your help.

-s

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Will Fennell
January 30, 2003, 11:01 PM
I a BERETTA guy myself.....that is a good looking SO5 reciever. Here is my clay target gun....

http://www.beretta.com/images/immagini_maxi/f_COMPETITION_DT10_Trident_Sporting_12_maxi.jpg

That is the DT10 TRIDENT SPORTING from BERETTA:cool:

Sven
January 30, 2003, 11:11 PM
Wow - looks nice.

http://www.shotgunscy.com/images/beretta/competition/trident/pic3.jpg

What barrell length did you choose?

Dare I ask for a 'back of the envelope' (rough) street price for that gun?

How much are the SO5 series? (ducks)

http://www.beretta.com/images/immagini_maxi/f_PREMIUM-GRADE_S05_Sporting_12_maxi.jpg

PJR
January 30, 2003, 11:48 PM
You're not into 6 figures with the SO but certainly into five. I think the classiest skeet gun is a Krieghoff Model 32 four barrel set.

Paul

Sven
January 31, 2003, 12:44 AM
Found a good article on those Krieghoffs (http://www.shotgunreport.com/TechTech/TechnoidArchive/23-Dec-02.html) - thanks for the lead.

http://www.krieghoff.de/img_grav/grk8gc3f.gif
http://www.krieghoff.de/img_grav/grk8ps4f.gif

Those are classy! Any other suggestions?

How about

45auto
January 31, 2003, 08:47 AM
Great choices,
The best looking, in my opinion, would be the Beretta SO series overall with Perazzi side plate models, a close second(real close).
I wouldn't hesitate to look for used models.
I think some of the best buys for good looking guns are the higher grade Belgium Brownings for sale used. Many of the ones I have seen are barely fired- because they are so good looking.
Actually, they all look pretty nice!!

Good luck

Will Fennell
January 31, 2003, 09:31 AM
Sven,
Mine is a 32" Sporting[Clays] model. I rarely shoot skeet,a nd concentrate on Sportingclays and FITASC. BERETTA does make a Skeet model of this gun....

http://www.beretta.com/images/immagini_maxi/f_COMPETITION_DT10TridentSkeetAdjustStock12_maxi.jpg

The DT10 is a "standard grade" target gun, although it is certainly very well made, and I thing classy is a subdued kinda way.....you can find the Sporting or the Skeet models in the $5000 -6000 range. Keep in mind the gun has a drop out trigger group, which many find very desirable.

http://www.beretta.com/images_2002/partic_DT10Trident_e.jpg

The SO[Special Order] guns a even nicer. A buddy of mine shoots the SO5[the base level SO] Sporting, and it is a VERY nice shotgun. When he got his about 6 years ago, it was $13,000....they have gone up considerably since then. I believe that a SO5 is now $16,000 or more. I wouldn't be surprised that the model you showed with the gold inlays would be around $25,000. Keep in mind, that is real hand engraving and true gold inlay work....not etched and plated like most off the shelf guns.

Lotsa things to think about regarding Skeet guns. I'm not nearly as well versed in Skeet requirements as I am in Sportingclays, but lets take a swing at it. First, if you are going to have a true Skeet set up, you need to be able to shoot all 4 gauges[we don't worry about the small stuff much in sporting]. So you are going to need a 4 barrel set, or sub gauge tubes for yoru 12 ga. Fromwhat little I know about skeet, I think I would get sub gauge tubes. So, if that is the case, the really trick way to do that is have a separae 12 gauge barrel that you send to BRILEY or KOLAR and have them bore the barrel out very thin[no longer in proof to shoot 12 ga.] and install a set of sub gauge lightweight[usually involves Ti and Al] tubes ......lightweight enough that once each ga is installed, the barrels weigh the same and balance the same as yoru original 12 ga barrels. This is all very expensive[ the extra barrel alone on the guns you are talking about could be anywhere from $2-4000]. But it is the HOT set up.

For Skeet......

But, If you haven't shoot clay target games much lately, I really suggest that you give Sportingclays a try before you invest heavily in a "Skeet" gun.....we are having people switch to sporting everyday, from skeet, and then they have this albatross of a skeet gun left over.

On to K-guns.....well this is kinda like asking a Ford guy about Chevy's...they [Kguns] are highly respected by some, and they are very certainly used alot, especially on skeet fields. they are well made, and very durable. But personally, I think they handle like a pig on the end of a shovel:rolleyes: They are typically very muzzle heavy. They are somehwat "overbuilt" and kinda "clank" together when you close them.

Lets see, shooting a K-gun vs shooting a Dt10 Beretta,.....like the difference in driving a Dump Truck[ the Germans make those too;) ] and a fine sportscar[Italian].
Rant Off!

All are very nice shotguns!

Sven
January 31, 2003, 11:41 AM
Will,

I'm revealing my 'newbie' status here, but I've never been afraid to ask stupid questions, so here goes...

If you haven't shoot clay target games much lately, I really suggest that you give Sportingclays a try before you invest heavily in a "Skeet" gun

What is the difference between sporting clays and skeet?

Thanks,

-s

bamf
January 31, 2003, 03:01 PM
Sven,

Take a look at http://www.remington.com/safety/sbc_begin.html

Go to the topic "Shotshells" and click on "Target Shooting"

It explains pretty well the differences between trap, skeet and sporting sporting.

For guns, I'd also take a look at Kolar and Perazzi's. Man, I wish I had the money to buy one of those, I can only dream.

Marshall
January 31, 2003, 08:28 PM
Citori 525 Golden Clays
http://www.browning.com/products/catalog/firearms/images/013087427l.jpg

Citori XS Skeet W/Adjust Stock
http://www.browning.com/products/catalog/firearms/images/013065427l.jpg

Citori XS Golden Clays
http://www.browning.com/products/catalog/firearms/images/013095l.jpg

Gold Sporting Clays (semi-auto)
http://www.browning.com/products/catalog/firearms/images/011121403l.jpg

Citori XS Pro Comp
http://www.browning.com/products/catalog/firearms/images/013078427l.jpg

Sven
January 31, 2003, 09:39 PM
Words fail.

I'm floored.

Those woods are so beautiful.

RCL
February 1, 2003, 08:48 AM
My own choice would be a Remington 3200 12 ga. O/U with 28" tubes, especialy if I could have the 4 gauge set I saw once. I've never handled a smoother swinging gun.
A close second choice would be the gun I ended up with, and still have although I don't shoot much skeet anymore. It is a Winchester Model 12 pump with Bishop wood, Simmons rib, and a Cutts comp with a spreader tube. :D

Gila Jorge
February 1, 2003, 08:54 AM
The Perazzi is the premier skeet or trap gun period! Followed closely by Beretta.
I used to put 10-12,000 rounds through my Mirage which I had engraved by Bill Mains (Ithaca 7E mainstay). Today, due to cost I would get the Beretta. Don't know if it would stand up to that much shooting as the Perazzo's do...after all the Perazzi is a hand made gun.

Sven
February 1, 2003, 11:06 AM
I now understand the difference between trap/skeet/sporting clays, but what I do not understand is why different guns are needed for each sport variation.

When it boils down, isn't it all the same, namely: shooting flying discs?

Help me understand this - is it just marketing?

45auto
February 1, 2003, 12:32 PM
Guns became specialized because of the different target presentation between trap and skeet.

Trap targets were always rising and moving away(greater distance) therefore trap guns developed with higher stocks(higher point of impact) and longer bbls( more precise and slower). Not a lot of swinging(gun movement) in 16 yard trap.

Skeet targets offer more of a variety, closer, more swinging of the guns, hence the shorter bbls and lower stocks( most targets were not rising).

Sporting changed that with a variety of all presentations, giving rise to a higher stocked, longer but lighter bbls, and choke tubes to handle short and long distances.

You can shoot all three with the same gun, easily skeet and sporting. If you want to become a grand champion in 16 yard trap, you would end up with a different gun, but you can shoot perfect scores in trap with whatever gun!!

Just my opinion.

45auto
February 1, 2003, 12:36 PM
Just to clarify my previous post,
You can shoot all three sports with a gun that has choke tubes.
Skeet chokes at 40 yards are not great!!

Skunkabilly
February 1, 2003, 05:35 PM
Fabarm carbon fiber O/U!!

Sven
February 1, 2003, 07:07 PM
Skunkabilly,

Pull yourself together!

Back on the subject of nice woods on shotguns (clears throat)...

...I visited the local gunstore today (Reed's Sport Shop, San Jose, CA) to check out shotguns and rifles.

I handled the 870 - the checkering was hard to look at, the wood looked like plastic - no figuring... price: very good, what around $300.

The Wingmaster had better wood - but not great and some chrome, but was much more expensive.

Then up to the entry Berettas, where for $1400 the woods started to show flame and ripples:

http://www.beretta.com/images/f_AL391Teknys_12.jpg

I can see that this could be an expensive taste to develop.

I love the idea of heirloom-quality pieces.

Midnight
February 1, 2003, 10:25 PM
No flame intended, but I think you are putting the cart before the horse. You need to find out which clay game you like (or IF you like clays at all) before you drop 5 figures on the shotgun of a lifetime. The gun can be set up quite differently for each game, and that kind of money is nothing to spend on "close enough." Just start shooting clays with whatever you have, or buy a regular pump or low-end semi-auto if you don't own a suitable shotgun. $300 shouldn't be a terrible investment if you're thinking of spending $10,000+ on a shotgun. Just bust with that for a while to see what you like, get good at it, (all the while saving) and THEN buy your premier shotgun. There's nothing sillier looking than a guy with a $10,000 Kreigoff that doesn't break 15 birds. Once again, no flame intended, just MHO.

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