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duelist1954
July 5, 2012, 06:54 AM
Shooting Hawes Western Marshal .44 Mag single action revolver with black powder cartridges. The Western Marshal was made by J.P. Saurer in West Germany in the 1960s and early 1970. It is basically a Colt SAA clone with a few differences.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tuZJovIB2O0

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towboat_er
July 5, 2012, 09:23 AM
Nice one!!!

hang fire
July 5, 2012, 03:43 PM
Impressive.

I remember the Hawes from the sixties, never owned one but knew they were a nice accurate handgun. The .44 mag was my favorite cartridge for many years when lived in AK and WY.

IIRC, the Herters revolvers were made by J.P. Saurer also?

Pulp
July 5, 2012, 04:59 PM
My brother had one in .357 back in the late '60's. Great guns. I also learned reloading as he had a Lee Loader for it.

Mike, what kind of camera are you using for the slow motion?

duelist1954
July 5, 2012, 05:44 PM
Hi Hang Fire,

Herters, Arminius, Hy Hunter, and probably others I don't know, all imported J.P.Saurer single actions back in the late 1960s and early 1970s. Hawes were the ones I saw most often, but since I got the Herters catalog, I'd see them there too.

Hi Pulp,

The cameras are nothing special. I use a pair of Canon Vixia HF R20s and a Canon Vixia HF R10. I think the R10 caught these slow-mo shots.

Fingers McGee
July 5, 2012, 07:41 PM
Reminds me of the Silver City Marshal I had. .44 Mag with Nickel frame, blued barrel and cylinder and brass BS/TG. Had the usual rosewood grips that I replace with genuine Sambar Stag back around 1980. Made the mistake of selling it so I could buy something else.

kBob
July 6, 2012, 10:54 PM
Many moons ago, say when dualist was in his early twenties, I got a date with a young lady thanks to a JP Sauer .44Magnum. I was at my German gun club near Neu Ulm and a friend had handed me his Sauer and a box of ammo and asked me to shoot it and give my opinion while he quaffed a beer in the club house. WHen I arrived at the 25 meter pistol range a couple of guys were fumbling around with a Walther P1 (P38) trying to impress a girl they had brought with them. Checking the log I found that all three were guests which explained the poor gun handling and the seeming competition to be the more manly of gun handlers in front of the young lady. Having patiently waited through a couple of target changes I could take no more. For one thing they kept finding excuses not to let the girl shoot. Finally I set up and got to hear them mutter about auslanders (Folks not from round here as the locals might say) and indicated everyone should have on eyes and ears. Then I let fly with a couple rounds of .44 Magnum and glanced over to see the two men in shock as it seemed. I smilled and in my horrific excuse for German explained to the lady that here was a real man's pistol and asked if she wanted to shoot it. She did and the gentlemen decided to pack up while I was reloading. She suggested we get togther in a few days and continue our shooting as it appeared her date for the evening was ready to leave. So the Sauer got me a date.....alais at the appointed time and date Uncle Sugar had more pressing plans and so the only snuggling that night was with a poncho liner in a cold drizzle on the side of a mountain in the little Mosquito Alps. I had not managed to get anyother contact info than the date despite her illegable name in the range log so the romance was not to be. Never saw her again.

The revolver shot just fine.....or maybe my opinion of it was just colored by the events of my first few shared shots with it.

-kBob

iLikeOldgunsIlikeNewGuns
July 7, 2012, 04:22 AM
I think this is now my favorite video of yours, which is tough to say because they are all great. Loved seeing the melon and shaving cream explode like that! That's pretty cool that it was your first revolver. I owned two 1851s and a '47 Walker first, but my first centerfire & rimfire revolvers were a pair of J.P. Sauer & Sohn's. I still have 'em and won't ever get rid of 'em. I can tell them apart easily, but to many they would look identical. One is the "Texas Marshal" in .45 and the other is a "Western Six-shooter" in .22lr both imported from Hawes. I've had 'em for many years now, and yet I still can't get over how accurate they are! I've hit ridiculously far objects with both of 'em, and always get really tight groups when shooting paper. Each is an absolute delight to shoot. The .22 is great for teaching beginners. I enjoyed them quite a bit this past weekend celebrating Independence Day a little early :)

So I have three questions,
1) Duelist, where'd you get those pearl grips for yours? I've never even tried to buy grips for mine as I've never been sure if Colt SAA-frame grips would fit it. My .22 has a fine crack and a chip on its panels, I'd love to get replacements for it.

2) is there anywhere at all, book or internet, that I can check my serial numbers and see what year mine were made? I search every so often with no luck, not knowing how old they are has always bugged me. I bought them private sale from a fellow in his late 30s or older who didn't know, he just knew his dad had them since he was a little kid.

and finally when I load mine, I usually do the load one, skip one, as you did in this video. My question is even though the firing pin is 'floating' in frame and not mounted on the hammer, is it the same in regards to carrying on a loaded chamber being dangerous? I've always assumed yes.

here's a shot of my Texas Marshal .45 from this past weekend, the .22 looks just like it, but with a smaller rounded front-sight

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7125/7519235668_7ec2b82247_c.jpg

duelist1954
July 7, 2012, 11:42 AM
I'm pretty sure I got the grips from Numrich Gun Parts Corp about almost 20 years ago. They used to have a lot of J.P. saurer SA parts, but their stock is now getting pretty depleted.

I don't know where you can check serial numbers for these guns.

Yes, the frame mounted firing pins are just as dangerous as the hammer mounted pins unless you have one of the HWM made guns with a Ruger transfer bar. EAA sells them now.

I love the look of your Texas Marshal

dprice3844444
July 7, 2012, 12:49 PM
jay scott grips?

duelist1954
July 7, 2012, 03:27 PM
No. Jay Scott grips, at lease all that I've seen, have a hardwood backing...looks kind of odd.

Jaymo
July 7, 2012, 05:44 PM
Nice. That .44 mag really made a mess of the can of shave cream and the melon.


I have the EAA Big Bore Bounty Hunter in .45 Colt. Mine has the 4.5" barrel. I was thinking about getting a 7.5" version for hunting.

How hot can I safely load .45 Colt in the EAA BBBH? I'd like to run Buffalo Bore +P in it.

I'd like to be able to run Buffalo Bore +Ps in it.

kBob
July 7, 2012, 05:45 PM
In another of those weird sycronisity things my bathroom reading material this week included Edition 10A of Numerich's catalog

AND what it was open too when I read this last few posts was pages 26-27 which is the full page spred Jay Scott Grips listing includung a listing for Hawes Marshal ArmarcW -white pearl grips at $15.85

My dad has long been after me to find Pearl like grips for a
.22 he has had since the 1960's and I was looking to see what they were called to do a search. It does not help that he is not absolutly sure what he has and I am embarassed to say it is RG or Rohm. Things I have been finding have been tempting for me though.

Not sure what year 10A was from but it lists Telex and Cable addresses on the cover. For minor things like that the wife calls me a pack rat.

-kBob

duelist1954
July 7, 2012, 07:06 PM
K-Bob, it is very stout. It can handle anything you'd put in a Ruger Old Style Vaquero. I use a pair of .45 Colt EAA Big Bore Bounty Hunters (.45" and 7.5" barrels) as my test platforms for all .45 Colt load experimentation.

Jaymo
July 7, 2012, 08:41 PM
One more question. Is the color case hardening on the EAA BBBH real, or is it fake (like on the Italian BP revolvers)?

OK, another "one more" question. Is the color case hardening on the Uberti/Pietta SAA copies real or is it fake CCH, just like on their BP revolvers?

I'm seriously considering getting the 7.5" EAA BBBH in .45 Colt for a hunting revolver.
I figured it was very stout, since it is/was made in .44 mag.

Mike, do you have any good, stout .45 Colt loads you can share, for the BBBH?
For that matter, do you have any good target loads for it?

treadhead1952
July 7, 2012, 09:00 PM
Hi Mike,

Another excellent video and a trip down Memory Lane for me. I had a 5.5 inch barreled .44 Magnum Hawes Western Marshall in the early 70's, it was one of the first SAA clones that I owned after getting out of the Corps. Seeing yours dressed with the old Rosewood grips put the memory of it right back in the old noggin.

I shot all the Remington .44 Magnum rounds I could find at Western Auto and OTASCO in my little hometown back in Arkansas and then had to drive down to the next "BIG" town over where they had a K Mart that actually stocked ammunition and firearms (ah, the good old days) to restock. Eventually I traded "up" to a Ruger Super Blackhawk and that was the end of my trusty old Hawes.

Thanks for the memory Buddy.:)

duelist1954
July 7, 2012, 09:47 PM
Hi Treadhead,


I have some really nice single actions in my collection. I've got a couple of Colts and some really nice Italian clones, but I heel a more emotional attachment to my old Hawes Western Marshal than I do to any of the others.

I guess I remember all the time I spent as a kid drooling over all the Hawes sixguns in the Western Auto catalog. And, unlike the Colts, I knew I could save up enough money for a Hawes.

I retired this gun from CAS a long time ago, but this gun I spent $75 on 39 years ago is priceless to me.

From the comments, I see that there are other pards who feel the same.

Jaymo the Color Case hardening BBBHs is fake, as in chemical vs charcoal/heat CCH on colts, On Ubertis it is real, but they try to do too many guns at once so the colors are real washed out.

Hammerdown77
July 7, 2012, 11:22 PM
I shot all the Remington .44 Magnum rounds I could find at Western Auto and OTASCO in my little hometown back in Arkansas and then had to drive down to the next "BIG" town over where they had a K Mart that actually stocked ammunition and firearms (ah, the good old days) to restock. Eventually I traded "up" to a Ruger Super Blackhawk and that was the end of my trusty old Hawes.



Dang, OTASCO! That brought back memories. That's where I got my first store bought bike as a kid...

Jaymo
July 8, 2012, 02:06 PM
My dad bought my first Matchbox car for me, at Otasco. I was 5 yrs old, and it was a DeTomaso Pantera. The Pantera is still my holy grail car.

Even though the BBBH CCH is fake, it sure is a good looking fake CCH

treadhead1952
July 8, 2012, 07:54 PM
I hate to side track your thread Mike, but OTASCO and Western Auto were where us Arkies used to buy most of our stuff like firearms, tires, tools, farm equipment and toys, at least for boys, long before Sam Walton came along with Wal Mart. I purchased my first SMLE Model 1 Mark III surplus from there for the princely sum of $25 along with two boxes of CIL .303 ammunition to get me started on my first deer season. This was mostly cause my Daddy wouldn't let me loose in the woods with his Remington 7400 .30-06 dagnab it!:cuss::D

duelist1954
July 8, 2012, 08:34 PM
I was a Western Auto junkie as a kid. We had one in the small New England town I grew up in. I bought all my hunting licenses there and my first couple of hunting shotguns. Of course I bought some ammo there. But most of my shot shells And .22s were bought at the gas station about a mile away from my house.

kBob
July 9, 2012, 07:09 AM
Western Auto was the source of my first .22 Auto Rifle and a neat bicycle with a double crotch crusher rail and built in headlights and occasionally ammo, but most of my ammo came from a local grocery store that handled CIL(Loved the little yellow plastic inner box with the red shell holder plate and reused them until they were tossed out while I was over seas) and Winchester and Peters. Believe it or don't my first handgun was from J.M. Fields My first Center fire rifle was a Mauser-98 from a floor rack (one grade up from the wooden barrel) in the hunting and fishing area of a WoolCo. When I was selecting my first handgun J.M. Fields carried some sort of imported SAA type at the time including a full sized gun that used 4mm Zimmershuten that my Dad almost bought.....I think the few tins of ammo that were displayed with that gun where the only 4mm I saw in the US during that decade so good thing he did not.

Drifting along with the beautiful.......

-kBob

Patocazador
July 9, 2012, 06:13 PM
K-Bob, it is very stout. It can handle anything you'd put in a Ruger Old Style Vaquero. I use a pair of .45 Colt EAA Big Bore Bounty Hunters (.45" and 7.5" barrels) as my test platforms for all .45 Colt load experimentation.
I had my late neighbor who was a gunsmith (Kurt Wala of Kurt's Kustom Firearms) tell me to stay away from hot loads in my Hawes .44 Mag. He said the same about my Virginian Dragoon in .44 Mag. He said to stick with Blackhawks or Vaqueros for full-house loads.

I can't ask him any more questions as he was killed in a motorcycle accident a couple of years ago.

MNPistol
September 11, 2012, 02:19 PM
What would be a fair price for a Hawes Western Marshall 44 Magnum? This included a western style r.h. holster. May be interested in selling so I can purchase a 9mm carry pistol.
Revolver is in very good condition.

Jim, West PA
September 12, 2012, 01:52 PM
Well Michael, let me welcome you to my list of ENABLERS.
After seein this i'm sittin here thinkin..do i really want to find a good ole Ruger Redhawk now or look for one o' those Hawes ?
That is one sweet little handgun Mike.
And, my absolute favorite caliber :D

duelist1954
September 15, 2012, 06:41 AM
Well Jim, I guess my work here is done. :evil:

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