NAA Mini 22 mag revolver


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TomADC
July 5, 2012, 04:15 PM
Local dealer has these on sale for $199 they look well built and for the price could be a fun little revolver.
Anybody own one? Good/Bad?

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Bula
July 5, 2012, 06:45 PM
I have one and they are well made. People talk all the time how accurately they can shoot them, I just cant agree. Crude sights on my model (ie no rear sight) and a rounded front sight. It is, for me, about size and concealabity. Mine is the .22 mag only model, but I think a LR cylinder would make me want to shoot it more. For the price, i say try it. You wont lose much if you decide to sell it.

Old judge creek
July 5, 2012, 07:48 PM
I have had 2 of them for about 14 years now and they are great fun.

Hoppes Love Potion
July 5, 2012, 09:07 PM
They are very well-made and the company stands behind them with a lifetime warranty.

They are challenging to shoot, not because they are inaccurate, but because they are so small it's tough to get a grip - the gun wants to jump out of your hand when fired. And they are so light that it's difficult to avoid tiny changes in POA - which result in large changes in POI.

Many people change the standard birds-eye grips for longer wooden boot grips, rubber grips, or oversize rosewood or rubber grips.

I solved the issue completely by going with the Black Widow model, which has a 2" barrel, usable sights, and oversize rubber grips which fit my hand perfectly. It's bigger than the standard mini, but IMO is much more shootable out of the box with no need to change grips.

mgkdrgn
July 5, 2012, 09:09 PM
I like mine (Black Widow), it's my "daily carry" here when I'm in shorts and tshirt (which is most of the time).

If it is one with the little bitty grips on it, replace them with the Black Widow grips ... you'll thank me later.

sig228
July 6, 2012, 09:15 AM
I have an NAA Pug. I bought it new. Timing was off so I had to send it back. Of course they paid all expenses. CS was excellent. My suggestion: bring 5 empty rimfire cases and pull the trigger about 25 times to make sure it functions properly.

Otherwise I love the gun. It's fun to shoot. I carry it on a regular basis. And I understand a 22mag is not a 45acp.

wnycollector
July 6, 2012, 10:26 AM
I have a NAA 22lr/22mag revolver. It's in my right shorts pocket as I write this post. It is the one gun that I have on my person all the time. I have put wooden boot grips on my NAA and that allows getting two fingers on the gun when shooting, making it surprisingly accurate.

TomADC
July 6, 2012, 10:43 AM
Going down this morning and check them out closer.

evan price
July 6, 2012, 06:59 PM
Great for a pocket BUG. Stick it in somebodys neck when they try to mug you and they wil not like what happens next. "Crude sites" really? In a gun inteded for a belly gun, do you expect Ruger High-Viz ramped and partrige sites?

David E
July 6, 2012, 07:01 PM
Great for a pocket BUG. Stick it in somebodys neck when they try to mug you....

Maybe....... if the mugger is using dirty looks and harsh language as his only weapons....:rolleyes:

Chevelle SS
July 6, 2012, 07:03 PM
they are good for their intended purpose

Peakbagger46
July 6, 2012, 07:10 PM
I have a black widow with both the mag and lr cylinders. Love the gun and find it shoots center of mass on an IDPA well past 25 yards. I actually carry it sometimes while hiking in rabbit season but also bring a set of earplugs as it is very loud even with the .22 lr's.

Personally, I wouldn't seem much advantage of going smaller than the black widow. It is VERY easy to carry in a front pocket even with the "oversized" grips. Also, go with the fixed sights (still windage adjustable) as I hear the adjustable ones have some issues. The extra 40 bucks or so spent on the LR cylinder will pay for itself very quickly.

BCRider
July 6, 2012, 08:10 PM
I've got a 4.2 inch version of "The Earl". It is one of my biggest grin producers in my collection.

It takes a bit to learn how to hold the small grips and how to pull the terribly hard trigger. But once I got the hang of it the gun itself can print 2.5 inch groups at 12 to 14 yards all day long.

I shocked the guys at a Speed Steel practice night by hitting the 6 inch target out at 20 yards 5 for 5.... :D

As a defensive gun the small grips definetly play against you. But if used at a close in threat then it's not as big a deal.

For range fun they really are a helluva giggle. Especially once you learn to hold it well for the longer, by this gun's standards, range shots while others watch.... :D

spotch
July 6, 2012, 10:43 PM
Now that theyre making that model where the cylinder swings out to reload (instead of needing to be removed and reinstalled with fresh cartridges) I'm kinda interested. Probably my biggest worry is the coordination needed to cock and shoot single action in a panic situation. Maybe I'm overstating the difficulty of that.

MCgunner
July 6, 2012, 10:52 PM
If it is one with the little bitty grips on it, replace them with the Black Widow grips .

I prefer the folders...:D

http://i54.tinypic.com/9pqmok.jpg

Now that theyre making that model where the cylinder swings out to reload (instead of needing to be removed and reinstalled with fresh cartridges) I'm kinda interested. Probably my biggest worry is the coordination needed to cock and shoot single action in a panic situation. Maybe I'm overstating the difficulty of that.

I know of no such model. Something new? Perhaps I should check the NAA site?

You are overstating the difficulty of SA shooting even with a mini revolver. However, these things are uber concealment, not intended with long firefights with the Taliban which would mean reloading. They're last ditch fight stoppers and they can work with proper tactics. I carry my .22 constantly in my off side pocket with a can of pepper spray figuring if I'm fighting with someone, maybe holding his knife hand with my strong arm, I can get at the mini and screw it in his ear. It's always there, at any rate, if it's ever needed for whatever reason, my primary being in my strong side pocket, a 9mm Kel Tec currently.

spotch
July 6, 2012, 10:57 PM
Yeah they're calling it the sidewinder. They already took pre orders for it, though delivery will be a couple months I think.

MCgunner
July 6, 2012, 11:04 PM
Guess since the top break was too expensive to build, they've come up with an alternative. I don't mind pulling the pin, myself, and it can be a stronger gun while being lighter without all the extra hardware.

My next NAA will be a black powder Earl. I already have the super companion and two cylinders. This will give me 3 cylinders as I'm pretty sure the Earl's cylinder will fit the super companion and vice versa. I can order the BP version online. It'd compliment my Ruger Old Army and my 5.5" Pietta '58 Army I reckon. :D One can fire Bullseye in the super companion and it mimics .22 magnum over MY chronograph, 1200+ fps with a 30 grain conical from NAA. Neat thing is, swapping cylinders Pale Rider style is FASTER than even swinging out a cylinder and loading one at a time. I need to sew me up some cylinder pouches from leather with my handy dandy Tandy leathercraft kit, though. :D

JFrame
July 7, 2012, 01:53 PM
Here's a shot of the Sidewinder .22 mag...

http://i737.photobucket.com/albums/xx12/Dennva/20124119415-naa_sidewinder3018_m.jpg

NAA says the design only increases weight by fractions of an ounce.

I guess it's not a bad feature to have -- but I never really thought of the niche of the NAA minis as requiring a quick reload.

Here are my minis -- a 3" Earl with a Black Widow grip, a Black Widow with a Pug grip, and a standard .22LR mini... :)

http://i737.photobucket.com/albums/xx12/Dennva/NAA800x600.jpg


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GEM
July 7, 2012, 02:00 PM
One needs a 22S. They are so cute.

As far as accuracy. For grins, I shot the old TX DPS CHL protocol with a 1 5/8 mini with the bird's head grips. IIRC - I shot about a 230 ish. Missed a couple of head shots.

I shoot 250s (as most should with a Glock). The test is easy.

With the 22S - I shot about a 130-150. It's not an accurate gun. The minimag is a pocket Bug. BTW, it is LOUD with 22 mag. I once shot one in an indoor range between two partitions and I thought I blew up. I felt the blast blow my hair (when I had it) back.

Glenn

TomADC
July 7, 2012, 02:15 PM
That sidewinder is cool if they are on CA's DOJ list I'm going to get one.
I've read that people are shooting 2 grs of Bullseye in the C & B models, also read it will ruin the gun soon?

cane
July 8, 2012, 10:17 AM
JFrame, the picture of the "Sidewinder" you posted asppears to have center fire cartridges in it.

HiVel1
July 8, 2012, 10:48 AM
My PUG has adapted itself handily to the Laserlyte bolt on top-mount tiny laser -what neat grin gun, plus you can hit with it after you get it zero'ed. Not a problem. I love it! That and the folding belt mount grips make it a really nice yard/snake gun (with shotshells) in 22 Mag. Put some of the self defense 22 Mag rounds for bad neighborhood carry if you need a real small but effective carry piece. (not recommended just sayin)
I like this Laser PUG!

JFrame
July 8, 2012, 12:30 PM
JFrame, the picture of the "Sidewinder" you posted asppears to have center fire cartridges in it.

Interesting -- maybe that's a shot of a prototype Sidewinder chambered for something like .32... :confused:

Anyway, I copied that photo off of the NRA American Rifleman website (it has the corresponding write-up of the .22 mag Sidewinder)...


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AABEN
July 8, 2012, 01:23 PM
I have one and they are well made. People talk all the time how accurately they can shoot them, I just cant agree. Crude sights on my model (ie no rear sight) and a rounded front sight. It is, for me, about size and concealabity. Mine is the .22 mag only model, but I think a LR cylinder would make me want to shoot it more. For the price, i say try it. You wont lose much if you decide to sell it.
You can shoot LR in them. If you want to shoot Mag latter you will need to clean it good before you shoot it.

Orion8472
July 8, 2012, 03:12 PM
Those aren't centerfire cartridges in that pic of the Sidewinder. Just look closer.

I would like to get one if they had one in .22lr rounds. Not really a fan of .22mag in very short barrels.

JFrame
July 8, 2012, 03:48 PM
Those aren't centerfire cartridges in that pic of the Sidewinder. Just look closer.

I would like to get one if they had one in .22lr rounds. Not really a fan of .22mag in very short barrels.

I like the convertible models because it gives one the option of doing either. I'm looking forward to trying out my Earl with the .22 LR cylinder as a minimalist "kit gun"...


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JFrame
July 8, 2012, 04:07 PM
I have several and a sidewinder on order. really well made gun for the money. I had a 22LR that the timing went haywire. Rent it back and they fixed quickly. They have great customer service.


I've had a couple of instances to partake of NAA's customer service -- and I agree with you. http://www.kolobok.us/smiles/standart/good3.gif


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Jaymo
July 8, 2012, 04:17 PM
What looks to be a centerfire primer is actually the C of CCI that is stamped in the center of their rimfire case heads.

krupparms
July 8, 2012, 04:58 PM
I have 2 - 3" Earls &a B.W. all in .22 mag. I put the Black Widow grips on 1of the Earls & put the boot grips on the B.W.! They both shoot better w /grip change! I also own a wasp & a reg. model .22mag. w /extra .22L.R. cylinder. These guns are accurate with the right grips &practice! I bought a .22L.R. right after they came out & it was my main BUG for years! After I was able to get a better BUG, I still slipped it into a pocket sometimes. Old habits. NAA keeps coming out with great guns & one day I believe that they will be collectors guns! The wasp & the 1st.Earl are put up for that reason. The Earl w/B.W. grips is a handy trial gun & the B.W.also fills that job along w /S.D.! I will be looking for the new one as I missed out on the Ranger.

MCgunner
July 8, 2012, 10:27 PM
I guess it's not a bad feature to have -- but I never really thought of the niche of the NAA minis as requiring a quick reload.


Yeah, me neither. I figure if I want a reload with a NAA, I'll carry a NY reload, which I do. :D I really don't care about the swing out cylinder and it'd make having a mag/LR cylinder swap a bit more difficult, I'd think.

You can shoot LR in them. If you want to shoot Mag latter you will need to clean it good before you shoot it.

And NO, YOU CANNOT safely shoot .22LR in a mag cylinder! They're NOT AT ALL similar other than being rimfire. The mag uses a larger diameter case as it is standard crimped bullet where the LR uses a heal seated bullet. The LR case will most likely blow out in a mag cyinder assuming it fires. You can fire a .22 short in a LR cylinder, but not a LR in a magnum, no way no how.

Davek1977
July 19, 2012, 07:12 AM
Aaben said

You can shoot LR in them. If you want to shoot Mag latter you will need to clean it good before you shoot it.

http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=417685 says differently.....just because it will go bang doesn't make it safe or smart to do

mahansm
July 19, 2012, 10:31 AM
.22 LR and .22 Mag are different diameter casings, with the .22 mag being larger. NAA has a conversion cylinder that will allow .22 LR to be fired safely in the .22 MAG revolver.

Ala Dan
July 19, 2012, 01:15 PM
I own both, the .22LR and a .22WMR. Usually carry the mag as a BUG weapon.
Built solid as a rock, and comes from a good company~! :) ;)

YJake
July 19, 2012, 04:20 PM
I own a magnum frame mini with a 1 5/8" barrel.

It really is the gun that I carry the most. It has been more places with me than I could ever remember and is completely noninvasive. I want an Earl in the worst kind of way as a kit/varmint dispatching gun.

Now... 3", 4", or 6" Earl? :)

-Jake

doc540
July 19, 2012, 07:18 PM
it's the buck knife on the new millennium

velcro keeps it from slipping out of your pocket

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v334/doc540/Guns/NAA%2022Mag/NAA22Mag002-1.jpg


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v334/doc540/Guns/NAA%2022Mag/22Mag1-1.jpg

krupparms
July 20, 2012, 03:56 PM
If you have one of the guns w/ the round F.sight try changing grips. The Boot grips & the larger wood or rubber palm grips make it much easy to shoot them & make hits. I have not tried the laser on it, but a laser would make it much more accurate. I think it would be harder to conceal carry. I have a model like yours & I would put the Boot grip on it &practice with good loads & I think you will have better luck! Just my 2cents.Good luck, Have fun, Stay safe!

One_Jackal
July 21, 2012, 08:13 AM
I have an NAA Pug. I bought it new. Timing was off so I had to send it back. Of course they paid all expenses. CS was excellent. My suggestion: bring 5 empty rimfire cases and pull the trigger about 25 times to make sure it functions properly.

Otherwise I love the gun. It's fun to shoot. I carry it on a regular basis. And I understand a 22mag is not a 45acp.
It doesn't hurt to dry fire a single action. Don't buy anything used from a GS that thinks otherwise. They lack the required knowledge to determine if the gun is fit for use.

MCgunner
July 21, 2012, 08:35 AM
Wife's aunt and uncle have a nice tank, actually more of a lake as it covers a few acres, that is overrun with turtles. They've been shooting 'em out, or trying to. Don't think it'll happen, but they're trying. Just too danged many turtles in that tank to eliminate. Hope it don't hurt the bass population they've stocked it with 'cause fishing that tank is fun. :D Only .22 I had with me the other day was my 1 5/8" NAA which I always have with me as a BUG. I shot two for 3 with it just standing on the dock while Hank (her uncle) fed the fish and his duck. The one I missed was my fault, shot over him, forgot to aim low to compensate for refraction. Been a while since I've bow fished. :D One of 'em was about 20 yards as was the one I missed, the other pretty close. Hank was impressed at the accuracy of such a little gun. :D That little toot comes in handy like this all the time when it's the only .22 I have. I left my SR22 and such at home that day.

With practice, I've gotten to the point I can knock over 2, sometimes 3 8" plates over at 25 yards with it at the range off hand. It groups around 7" at 25 yards off the bench, not exactly a tack driver for accuracy, but it's useful accuracy for shorter range stuff. That gun has taken out possums, coons, all sorts of vermin around the place as it's usually the only .22 handy when I need it. I've had it for 25 years and I've gotten better and better shooting it. I do have the folding grip on it for a full hand grip on the gun. That does help a LOT. The accuracy of these things is grossly under-rated and so you'll hear comments that they're only good as a contact weapon. BS One must get the gun regulated with a certain .22 load, learn to shoot it, it will surprise you how well you can hit with it at longish ranges. No, it's not a Smith and Wesson M17, but it's not like it's not useful.

sig228
July 21, 2012, 09:03 AM
It doesn't hurt to dry fire a single action. Don't buy anything used from a GS that thinks otherwise. They lack the required knowledge to determine if the gun is fit for use.
Sort of.... NAA recommends dry fire only with the cylinder removed. Most gun stores aren't going to understand that. The easy solution is what I said: load it with some empty shells.

MCgunner
July 21, 2012, 10:04 AM
Why dry fire it? Hell, .22 Federal is cheap, I'd rather live fire it. :D

HiVel1
July 21, 2012, 11:39 AM
NAA makes great little guns- I have had at least a half dozen various models and am now shooting a PUG 22 Mag with a laser mounted on it-great gun! Snake shot in 22 mag WILL DO THE TRICK. The folding grips are the best setup for me as is the laser, despite the fact my PUG came with nite sites....
There are some of these little guys that can be secreted away in very secure and hard to find places-like sewn into a Army BDU shirt collar-a 22 short can save your life!

barstoolguru
July 21, 2012, 12:08 PM
You break one out and people are impressed because of the size and how well they are made. down side they are a pain in the butt to reload but who's in a rush. BTW I have a black widow bigger grip and it come with two cylinders .22 mag and .22 lr

kbbailey
July 22, 2012, 12:07 AM
I have a mag frame 1 5/8" holstergrip model. It has been a hoot to shoot. I have learned to be minute of tin can accurate at 10-15yds. I have beeen shooting Hornady Critical Dave Defense lately, and have been impressed with their power and accuracy.

BTW....five .22mag rds fit nicely in the "old style" automotive fuse box. [glass tube type]

MR.G
July 22, 2012, 09:03 PM
Well made little guns from a great company that stands behind them. I currently have six of them in .22 lr and .22 magnum. Two of mine have been fired a lot and still work like new. I have heard of mainsprings breaking in some of them, but it has never happened to mine. If you are going to buy the .22 magnum, you can usually get the combo with a second cylinder chambered in lr for a little more.

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