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Which one is better?

[PabloJ]

cz82 is best defensive gun for someone on limited budget.

[Onward Allusion]

CZ-82 all the way. The cartridge may not carry as much energy as the 7.62 x 25 but the 9x18 CZ-82 has higher capacity, better availability, a better design, & is darn reliable.

[Girodin]

"Better" requires we establish criteria for evaluating them. That said I would certainly rather have the CZ-82.

[cwl1862]

CZ-82 great gun smoothest DA trigger I've ever seen. Ammo is easy to find and you can find some good SD ammo from Hornady and Buffalo Bore and Georgia Arms. BTH most of the CZ82's parts will interchange with the CZ-83.
As stated earlier they are great guns for somebody on a budget. Besides they are fun range guns!

[BSA1]

Which one is better?

For what?

[Keeterbird]

for a carry or defense I would agree that the cz is best. However, I find the M57and all it's cousins just fun to shoot at the range.

[Shadow 7D]

huh
well I have broccoli and some tomato's
I have a banana and some strawberries
a CZ82 and tok....

do you notice a trend here
on is a 82, one is a tok, and they are DIFFERENT
one is as big as you go in blowback and a fat bitch
the other is a skinny bitch, simplified browning design with a supped up german round that goes and goes and goes...
actually I think apples and oranges might be closer together.

[mgmorden]

Different guns with different niches.

If you want something a little more modern in design that you can still possibly carry, its the CZ-82 all the way. Its .380 twin the CZ-83 is still sold as a new production gun. It's small, accurate, DA/SA, high capacity, etc.

The M57 Tokarev is an interesting piece, but is more dated in operation style. Its single action, single stack, and even in styling looks odd (mostly due to the grip - some of the Marschalls grips that add some curve to the back really change the profile so that it doesn't look so odd).

So if you want a working gun, I'd say the CZ-82. If you want something more fun then it could be either depending on what you like.

[brnmuenchow]

CZ-82 all the way. The cartridge may not carry as much energy as the 7.62 x 25 but the 9x18 CZ-82 has higher capacity, better availability, a better design, & is darn reliable.

Even though I have no doubt this is true, the last part of the statement about reliability... the M57/ TT design has always been a solid reliable performer. If it were not it would not have stayed in service as long as it has in all the countries that use or have used it. When I got my first one it had a couple of miss-feeds, however upon closer inspection that I should have caught in my first inspection the magazine had a bent lip, (as to be expected with any surplus gun) easy fix and it has never had a jam since. It is a reliable and solid design although I do agree it is outdated by modern standards.:)

[Godsgunman]

I can only respond as having owned a CZ-82. I was interested in the Tok also but I personally see the Tok as more of a collector piece and not a functional tool for me. That is why I went with the CZ because it is now one of my carry weapons. As mentioned by others, the CZs trigger is very good, light and smooth. The capacity is a plus at 12+1. The sites are nice and very functional. The handle is a little thick, but is very concealable even on a skinny guy like myself. 9x18 ammo is easily found and you have more options for SD ammo. Personally I will keep and use the CZ for a very long time as it is such an accurate, dependable, and comfortable gun to shoot. With all that said, if you want something for self defense get the CZ. If you want something just to shoot paper with and have fun with, I'd say get both if you can afford it.

[Shadow 7D]

I was interested in the Tok also but I personally see the Tok as more of a collector piece and not a functional tool for me. if you think that, you ain't shot one. Mine is with me when I'm in the back country sans shotgun, figure it's lighter than 10mm, but has better penetration 1500-1600(+) FPS will do that for you....

[PabloJ]

Even though I have no doubt this is true, the last part of the statement about reliability... the M57/ TT design has always been a solid reliable performer. If it were not it would not have stayed in service as long as it has in all the countries that use or have used it. When I got my first one it had a couple of miss-feeds, however upon closer inspection that I should have caught in my first inspection the magazine had a bent lip, (as to be expected with any surplus gun) easy fix and it has never had a jam since. It is a reliable and solid design although I do agree it is outdated by modern standards.:)
I shot Chinese 9x19 version and while it was very reliable with fmjs there were two to three
stoppages per mag with most JHPs which really sucks. I doubt .30 cal version is much better with JHPs (which are proly made of unobtainium) but I could be wrong. The 7,62 TT seems to be all about noise and penetration in all other ways it is far inferior to the Cz82/83 series pistols. The ole' Eastern Block nickname for Pistolet Tokareva was "door handle".

[mgmorden]

The 7,62 TT seems to be all about noise and penetration in all other ways it is far inferior to the Cz82/83 series pistols.

I'd only be concerned about OVERpenetration. While the design over the CZ-82 is more modern and carryable, I'd actually feel a LOT more comfortable with the 7.62x25 Tok round vs 9mm Mak. The two throw bullets of roughly similar weights but the Tok throws it about 70% faster.

[cougar1717]

I would say the M57 is a better paperweight than the CZ82 since it is flatter on the side. As a club, I would again pick the M57. But I could probably throw the 82 further like a boomerang and Anything with "yugo" in the name kind of deters me...

And the jury is out, so I'm going to call it draw.

Specific criteria would help.
One is based on a reliable but dated pistol design in a caliber with a lot of velocity and little bullet weight, with "classic" sights.
The other is relatively modern blowback design in what we would probably call a compact frame size - but with a large double stack grip, ramp and dot sights, in a caliber a little hotter than .380.

[leadcounsel]

Hadn't considered teh M57 as a viable back country gun until now. That is a great use for it!

[Godsgunman]

Shadow 7D - I'm glad you like your Tok and have a good use for it. I'm in no way saying it's a bad gun or that I'll never get one myself, but for my use and purposes the CZ is better. As you mentioned the Tok rounds ballistics are quite impressive for a handgun and would definitely make for a great backwoods gun. However that round and the velocities it carries would not be good for urban use in my opinion. Such a small bullet traveling that fast can easily penetrate through the intended target and enter whatever is behind it, thus not making a wise choice for SD purposes. While being able to get a "2 for 1" while hunting pigs or whatever in the back country, its not ideal for SD.

[Dr_2_B]

I'd been meaning to pick up a CZ82. Probably a cheaper one that doesn't look too pretty. The only things from Czech republic that are supposed to be pretty are the mail-order brides anyway. I had shied away from the 9X17 and the 9X18 (which are basically equivalent), but I'm finally beginning to see the light about shot placement and the viability of that lower-powered round for my needs.

That said, I vote for the CZ.

[BSA1]

As usual you fellas are arguing about choosing behind Door #1 and Door #2 while overlooking Door #3.

My personal choice for is the Tok Model 213 in (drum roll please) 9 X 19. All the features including backwards thumb safety all in the commonly available and accepted self-defense round.

[Robbins290]

I love the 7.62x25 rounds. but for a "better" handgun. I would choose a cz82. more rounds. less recoil. less penitration (for defense). the 9x18 is a good ad round with the hornaday xtp's.