[Kiln]

Hey guys, my grandad bought a flare gun a decade ago for about $25. He asked me to find out some information about it because he was wanting to sell it. So I research on the web and find that it actually isn't a flare gun at all, it is a rifled German pistol designed to fire grenades. :D

From what I can tell it is a Walther Kampfpistole Model "Z".

It is in pretty rough shape but it has all of the German eagle proof marks on it. I'm just wondering what kind of money I can expect this thing to bring.

Here's a picture:

http://i848.photobucket.com/albums/ab47/Myguns223/Stuff/NewGuns003.jpg

[rondog]

I'm kind of a wierdo I guess, but I wouldn't sell it! If Grandad wants to sell it, I'd buy it from him. But that's just me. Something like that might be pretty rare and valuable, I've never heard of a German "grenade launching pistol" before.

[Kiln]

I'm kind of a wierdo I guess, but I wouldn't sell it! If Grandad wants to sell it, I'd buy it from him. But that's just me. Something like that might be pretty rare and valuable, I've never heard of a German "grenade launching pistol" before.
Neither had I, which is why I found it so interesting. I'm not sure if he'll still want to sell it but I'm wondering about the value given its condition.

[rondog]

IMO, rarity of the piece would trump condition, unless it's a broken rust-bucket, which it doesn't look like. If it's complete and usable, and rare, I'd say it's valuable, and I'd try to keep it in the family if at all possible. Some things mean more than dollars to me.

Not likely you'd ever get to shoot it though. I'm sure ammo is tough to find, if even at all. And live grenades? Fuhgeddaboudit. But if that's what it really is, the cool factor would be out of sight.

[Kiln]

Nobody has any info on these things?

[MikeJackmin]

Looks like you got something very nice there:

"The Heeres Model 1928 was adopted after the M1894. Initially, it was made of steel and then of aluminum alloy prior to the start of the second world war. No mechanical changes were made. Pre-war guns will have a commercial Walther Banner stamp and wooden grips. War time models will be marked "ac" with the date code and bakalite grips Eventually, "ayf" Erfurter Machinenfabrik and "duv" Berlin Lubecker Maschinenfabrik also made these pistols. A rifled, grenade throwing version was developed when the Germans met the Soviet T-34 battle tank. These pistols were known as the Gezogene Leuchtpistole or Kampfpistole Z. This pistol looks similar to the standard Heeres Model with the exception of a luminous "Z" stamped on the left side of the breech and the steel lined rifled 26.5mm barrel. Accessories for this "tank pisser offer" included a shoulder stock and an detachable grenade launcher site. The "Z" model is much more desirable and will bring a premium of $600-$800. I have only seen one shoulder stock for sale and $1000 was the asking price. The more common Heeres Model brings $200 to $450, depending on condition. The aluminum alloy does not hold up to abrasion and I have even seen them with crushed barrels. Also, some of the flares were corrosive, so make sure the barrel is not excessively pitted. "

http://www.olarmyjoel.com/Virtual%20Arms%20Room/German%20Flare%20Pistols.htm

[MikeJackmin]

More here:

http://www.fjr2.be/wapens%20-%20Leuchtpistole%20mit%20WK%20361%20LP%20(wurfk%F6rper%20leuchtpistole).jpg

http://www.fjr2.be/Pagina%2017%20-%20Heavy%20Infantry%20Weapons.htm

[mrmeangenes]

There ! By golly, someone finally made a gun powerful enough for going to church, shopping for lingerie, safeguarding school crossing zones , and trick-or-treating !!