Encouraging New Gun Owners Through Mosin-Nagant


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docsleepy
July 16, 2012, 02:23 AM
I go to a church where a lot of folks don't have a huge amount of spending money, but tend to have larger-than-average families, here in Florida. There are many teens and young singles.

After discovering the Mosin-Nagant, available for $129 locally, it occurred to me that this was a way to encourage new firearms owners due to the attractive price point and hunting capability of this rifle.

Developed a four-meeting class plan that has just had its first meeting, which was very successful:

1st Meeting: go over history and characteristics of Mosin-Nagant. Also hand out and fill out mock 4473 forms to familiarize newbies with the process. Brought two in-the-cosmoline rifles (one was a hex!) and vinyl gloves and mineral spirits -- teens and adults broke into groups and cleaned both rifles, learning parts as they went along, including bolt teardown and reassembly. Sold one rifle right there (kept the hex!) and encouraged attendees to go purchase (and clean) their rifle this week.

2nd Meeting: Help anyone who had trouble cleaning rifle. Boresight rifles and explain/hand out 12-gauge insulation to adjust front sight for firing without bayonet. Adjourn to safe location and test-fire each new rifle using protective eqpt/covering. Explain cleaning, corrosive versus non-corrosive ammo.

Schedule trip(s) to firing range.

3rd Meeting: Go over how to hand-load for the Mosin. Set of dies will be available at a local member's house who has a single stage press. Bring band saw and cut recoil pads from Walmart flip-flops and glue. Discuss hunting license, hunting grounds, etc.

4th Meeting: Go over how to make inexpensive scope mount for Mosin from 2x4, hose clamp, metal strut, rail. Assist with making necessary cuts on wood etc. Bend bolts as needed using oxyacetylene torch.

Schedule trip(s) to firing range.

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Guillermo
July 16, 2012, 11:07 AM
As a women's self defense instructor I have a little "cred" with folks.

I offer to teach a gun safety course for the kids.

That has led me to teach groups of kids to shoot.

And BTW, when I am showing them different guns and actions, I always use the Mosin. It is tough and inexpensive, plus the boys just love that pig sticker bayonet :D

hso
July 16, 2012, 12:08 PM
Well done!

Taking and active lead in sharing our interest in firearms with those unfamiliar with them and then actually putting them in their hands and on the range is a great way to teach people that the Antis have it wrong.

Schedule a showing of Enemy At The Gates or Winter War for them so they can see the historical context of the rifle and generate interest in historic firearms, studying the history, and shooting them.

Great job.

Guillermo
July 16, 2012, 01:42 PM
In order to show them different actions I bring different firearms.

If you want to keep kids attention, line up a 870, AK, AR and Mosin at the front of class.

for handguns I always bring a 6 inch barrel 686, XD45 and Ruger .22

Predictably the AK and AR are favorites, but the 686 ("is that like Dirty Harry's gun?), the Mosin ("is that like grampa carried in WWII?") and Ruger ("is that a German gun?") have their fans.

I recommend that EVERYONE teach kids gun safety and to shoot. In addition to all of the benefits to gun rights, it is absolutely a hoot!!!

docsleepy
July 16, 2012, 10:23 PM
Schedule a showing of Enemy At The Gates or Winter War for them so they can see the historical context of the rifle and generate interest in historic firearms, studying the history, and shooting them.



thanks for the great ideas, everyone! I'll look into those movies! We had a church "shooting day" at a local range and boy did the AK47 that another fellow brought get a lot of attention!

docsleepy

henschman
July 18, 2012, 01:28 PM
Very nice... way to help put the teeth back in the Second Amendment!

One thing you might consider is organizing a group buy from one of the online sellers of Nagants, like J&G Sales... you can usually get them for a lower price if you order a bunch at once. Also, you might be able to get a "bulk deal" on FFL transfers for the buy. Heck, your local dealer might even do a group buy price on Nagants, if he can source enough of them for you guys.

I need to organize something like this for a political meetup group I'm involved in. There are a lot of people in it who are new to the liberty movement, and who are very pro-gun, even though they have little to no experience with firearms. Some are even former anti-gunners who have "seen the light." It would be great to get them armed and trained. Nagants are definitely the cheapest way to make that happen.

I am an Appleseed rifle marksmanship instructor, so I figure I would run them through that same type of instruction. You might consider taking your church group to an Appleseed. they would learn a lot.

Once you get a group armed, it might be fun to have some competitions every now and then... find some land and have a "run and gun" or something like that. An all-Nagant shoot in the middle of the winter would be fitting!

docsleepy
July 20, 2012, 12:31 AM
well, things are going reasonably well.

An acquantance heard of our "class" and decided to "reserve" one at the local store during lunch hour on a day he ride a motorcycle and go back to pick it up with a car on saturday. (he works on a campus that doesn't allow firearms, so carrying a MOSIN-NAGANT! on a motorcycle would be hard to conceal....)

I unexpecdtedly got off early and gave him a call to see if he needed a ride in a car -- and found he had mentioned the idea to HIS friend, who also decided to get one and drove him there today! When I called, they were on their way.

I went ahead and ordered a 440-round tin of surplus ammo that I can resell at cost, getting a volume price that many of those in the group would not be willing to upfront the $$ for. Dies for them to be able to reload on their side of town just arrived today as well.

One parent thought his grandkid had "insufficient funds" but I suggested a "match" might be appropriately responsibility-inducing and he called back to say now they were planning on TWO rifles amongst their grandkids!

I know the preacher's son has one but hasn't done much with it, and another dad says his son has one "that shoots 3 feet right at 200 yards" [doesn't know how to drift the front sight, evidently!].

I have unsuccessfully encouraged the Appleseed in the past (even equipped two 10/22's completely for such an occason) but perhaps with these new fascinating weapons, that will go over better. You should have SEEN those teens cleaning off the cosmoline! They were in hog heaven and a painter in the group was continuously oohing and ahhing over the wood in the stock of a hex receiver rifle I had found.....gorgeous in his estimation. And of course, the "pig sticker bayonets" were just about out of this world for a teen to get his hand on!

this is a barrel of fun. Saturday I'll haul the band saw over and cut flip-flop recoil pads and boresight iron sights/12-gauge insulation and then we'll do some "first test shots" with leather glove/string etc to proof the receivers.

Oh, and I now have a freezer full of wild pig and am looking up how to cure a ham. What fun!

WardenWolf
July 20, 2012, 02:38 PM
Nice job. Though I'd be afraid the Mosin's recoil would scare people off. With light-ball ammo, just ow. Heavy-ball is the way to go. Not as sharp.

docsleepy
July 20, 2012, 11:37 PM
two layers of walmart $2 flipflops contact cement no more problem

wickedsprint
July 27, 2012, 05:57 AM
We need more motivated people like you guys.

One_Jackal
July 28, 2012, 08:58 PM
You are doing a great job!! The days of social hunting are over. Every state has posted land laws that prevent the social hunt. The only thing I would do differently is use 22cal to hold ammo costs down. If someone wanted to use a mosin that is great. A lot of new shooters are intimidated by the mosin.

docsleepy
July 29, 2012, 01:39 AM
Today they learned how to hand-load for the mosin. I live quite far away, but a fellow I previously taught agreed they could use his Lee press. Made up a set of dies and two dippers (one for 150 grain, one for 180 grain bullets) and everything else needed to reload.

Had everyone make two complete rounds, with a two-page step by step handout. Then they disassembled one of the rounds with a kinetic puller (that was what scared them the most!)

Also purchased a 440tin of surplus ammo that will be available at cost. During this meeting, another newly-purchased mosin also got de-cosmolined.

The .22's are definitely cheaper to shoot, but

a) the mosin is actually considerably cheaper to buy
b) they learn FAR more from the mosin by ther process of disassembling even the bolt to get the grease off.
c) the gleam of a possible DEER RIFLE wins many over.
d) teens really love having a whompin' war-rifle with a BAYONET!
e) the wood is beautiful

Centurian22
August 3, 2012, 05:47 PM
Awesome idea!!! Congrats and thanks for providing such a service to people! I just bought my first mosin (haven't even gotten home to clean off the Cosmo yet). I will have to see if I can find any similar interest in my area to do something like what you have! Truly brilliant. Best of luck and keep up the good work.

monotonous_iterancy
August 3, 2012, 09:46 PM
That idea is brilliant! It seems like win-win.

Jimineer
August 8, 2012, 06:16 PM
Do the Boy Scouts have a badge for gun safety or something similar? I sure hope they do.

(edit) By "hope they do" I mean teaching an upcoming generation about guns so they can help keep our 2nd amendment alive as they reach adult age.

BadWool
August 12, 2012, 11:34 PM
Today they learned how to hand-load for the mosin. I live quite far away, but a fellow I previously taught agreed they could use his Lee press. Made up a set of dies and two dippers (one for 150 grain, one for 180 grain bullets) and everything else needed to reload.

Had everyone make two complete rounds, with a two-page step by step handout. Then they disassembled one of the rounds with a kinetic puller (that was what scared them the most!)

Also purchased a 440tin of surplus ammo that will be available at cost. During this meeting, another newly-purchased mosin also got de-cosmolined.

The .22's are definitely cheaper to shoot, but

a) the mosin is actually considerably cheaper to buy
b) they learn FAR more from the mosin by ther process of disassembling even the bolt to get the grease off.
c) the gleam of a possible DEER RIFLE wins many over.
d) teens really love having a whompin' war-rifle with a BAYONET!
e) the wood is beautiful

No idea what the prices are in your region's Walmarts, but you might want to check the price on Mossberg 702 Plinkster semi-auto rifles (.22lr). Here in Central Virginia they are selling for $107.

docsleepy
August 20, 2012, 01:23 AM
Wow. Bud's has them in the 140's. Is there something special a bout your Walmart?

Ryanxia
August 20, 2012, 09:38 PM
Sounds like everything is going well. I love the Nagants but like others have said it does intimidate some people. That's great you're doing it through your Church, mine doesn't have all that many young people.

Like I say, every man should be familiar with a Bible and a gun, and they don't teach either in school.

JayMust
August 23, 2012, 03:01 PM
Doc - We paid $107.00 for one for my son about 5 months ago. And I have seen a couple more in AZ/NM for that price. You may want to ask someone at your Wal-Mart's sporting goods counter about what they would sell them for.

One_Jackal
August 25, 2012, 05:36 AM
There are several 22 models for around $150. I pay $70 (shipping included) for 120 rounds 203 gr Brown Bear ammo. I paid $18 for 550 22 rounds. I have a hard time believing that shooting milsurp ammo is fun. Milsurp is a piece of scrap metal covered with lead. If you can shoot a paper plate at 100 yards with milsurp you are charmed. That is an easy shot for my Dragoon loaded with Brown Bear ammo. A paper plate is about the same size as the preferred shot zone on a deer.

TAKtical
August 25, 2012, 06:47 AM
I did something similar but with the ruger 10/22. They cost about the same as a mosin used.

splattergun
August 25, 2012, 12:33 PM
Do the Boy Scouts have a badge for gun safety or something similar? I sure hope they do.

(edit) By "hope they do" I mean teaching an upcoming generation about guns so they can help keep our 2nd amendment alive as they reach adult age.
The Boy Scouts do indeed have a rifle shooting merit badge, which includes options for air rifles or muzzleloaders.
http://www.boyscouttrail.com/boy-scouts/meritbadges/rifleshooting.asp

barnetmill
October 31, 2012, 09:10 AM
Mosin versus .22 for beginners. It is an interesting topic lots of positive reasons for either choice. When I was young every family had a house .22 and often the first and the only highpowered rifle for a family was a government/NRA springfield or p17. Many people also had the $15 lee-Enfields, Mauser, etc.
But since this is not activism I will end and suggest it could be discussed in a separate thread the merits of .22 versus a new mosin for beginners.

hso
October 31, 2012, 09:17 AM
As pointed out, we have plenty of "what gun for beginners" threads in General so let's stay focused on the idea of privately teaching groups of people to shoot as a form of Activism.

PaisteMage
October 31, 2012, 06:59 PM
Great thing your doing here.

Good stuff.

docsleepy
November 4, 2012, 03:14 PM
Hey, for what it's worth I have since learned that you can use trail boss powder to make mosin ammo that is just as little recoil as a 22 LR. For that, use a 110 grain 308 bullet. 12 grains of trail boss. Amazing. I calculated correction measured 1700 ft./s, 650 foot-pounds

Elmer
November 16, 2012, 01:14 PM
Well done!

Taking and active lead in sharing our interest in firearms with those unfamiliar with them and then actually putting them in their hands and on the range is a great way to teach people that the Antis have it wrong.

Schedule a showing of Enemy At The Gates or Winter War for them so they can see the historical context of the rifle and generate interest in historic firearms, studying the history, and shooting them.

Great job.

I agree!

I try to bring as many people into the fold as I can, especially young people. I've found that very few will turn down the chance to go shooting, even those that think they don't like guns.

This is what it's going to take guys. Those of us that grew up at a time when being pro gun was a given, don't realize the pressure put on the young folks from the other side. $20 bucks worth of ammo can go a long way towards undoing that.

dbp
November 16, 2012, 01:41 PM
I am in complete agreement with everything you have said. My problem is having a place to go shoot with a kid. Indoor ranges, at least the ones in my area, have an age restriction of anywhere from 13 to 16.

Granted, you have to start somewhere, but my grandson is 10 and I have no place to take him to shoot. The two gun clubs in this area have long waiting lists so it may be three more years before he gets to shoot. I, as most others, don't have the luxury of owning rural property to shoot on.

Nutbustd
November 16, 2012, 02:58 PM
I to got a Mosin due to price. Now all my kids want one!! Great way to introduce folks to shooting.

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