Glock 36 stovepipe FTE


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ColdDayInHell
July 17, 2012, 01:15 AM
Hey THR,

I bought a brand new G36 2 weeks ago and have put 47 rounds through it before tonight. A few hours ago, I went to the range and put 3 rounds through it and had a stovepipe FTE. The ammunition was Remington UMC .45 FMJ RN. The previous box I had was Federal Champion, which ran great. This was the first problem since I bought the gun. I don't know if it was a bad round or what. About 20 rounds later, I got another stovepipe FTE. Then I had a FTF, the round was pushed up against the steel feed lip. This could be the gun breaking in, I don't know. Any info would be greatly appreciated.

The gun was clean before tonight's range trip and was not over-lubed.

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Big Boy
July 17, 2012, 11:14 AM
Is this a brand new gun? All guns do have a break in period, whether it be 200-500 rounds.


Here's another question, have you ever owned a glock before? Generally a stove pipe on a glock is going to be due to limp wristing.

It could be picky on ammo, but most glocks eat anything. I have tended to stick with federal on any of my practice ammo though.

My 36 has been great to me. Try some other ammo, shoot it a whole lot, and make sure you're not limp wristing it.

ColdDayInHell
July 17, 2012, 11:25 AM
Thanks big boy, it is my first .45 and I am still getting used to it. The 5.5 trigger pull is somewhat different than my other guns, my SR9c is crisp. And I have a 1st Gen Glock 17 but it shoots excellent. I bought this gun brand new in MA, it was very hard to find. It only has 87 rounds through it so far, so I will keep trying different things. I was about to sell it last night but wanted to give her another try. I will post results tomorrow!

brnmuenchow
July 17, 2012, 11:51 AM
Is this a brand new gun? All guns do have a break in period, whether it be 200-500 rounds.


Here's another question, have you ever owned a glock before? Generally a stove pipe on a glock is going to be due to limp wristing.

Just what I was thinking, not to judge the way you are holding your pistol... but it could be the reason.

Fotno
July 17, 2012, 01:06 PM
IMO - The G36 has the harshest recoil and the most difficult grip shape/size of any Glock, which makes it the most prone to 'limp-wristing', which is the reason I don't own one. That's not to say that there isn't something mechanical going on here, but it might be you.

If you can find a long time Glock shooter (or better yet several) to try the gun out, it will probably clear up what's wrong.

TonyT
July 17, 2012, 02:37 PM
I carried a G-36 for several years before opting for a Kahr PM-9 in a pocket holster. I still have the G-36 either in the car r at home and shoot it regularly. It has been totally reliable in my hands with a wide variety of factory ammo and reloads. I would suspect limp wristing but there is also the remote possibility of ammo preference.

bergmen
July 17, 2012, 03:34 PM
IMO - The G36 has the harshest recoil and the most difficult grip shape/size of any Glock, which makes it the most prone to 'limp-wristing', which is the reason I don't own one. That's not to say that there isn't something mechanical going on here, but it might be you.

If you can find a long time Glock shooter (or better yet several) to try the gun out, it will probably clear up what's wrong.

Puting Pearce +0 mag extensions helps with grip security quite a bit (also eliminates the "pinky pinch"). I find with these grip extensions that it is much easier to securely grasp the weapon to help prevent "limp wristing".

http://inlinethumb28.webshots.com/48411/2664672550053667879S600x600Q85.jpg

BTW, I LOVE my G36.

Dan

Fotno
July 17, 2012, 03:49 PM
Puting Pearce +0 mag extensions helps with grip security quite a bit (also eliminates the "pinky pinch"). I find with these grip extensions that it is much easier to securely grasp the weapon to help prevent "limp wristing".

http://inlinethumb28.webshots.com/48411/2664672550053667879S600x600Q85.jpg

BTW, I LOVE my G36.

Dan

With the G36 my problem is not grip length, so much as the narrowness of that grip, I'm 6'4" so my pinky finger hangs off most handgun grips. I own two other shorter gripped Glocks, a G26 and a G30 and love them both, but the G36 seems to want to twist under recoil in my hand. I've never had a failure while firing a Glock (the G36 included), but I can see where some might.

ColdDayInHell
July 17, 2012, 04:32 PM
Puting Pearce +0 mag extensions helps with grip security quite a bit (also eliminates the "pinky pinch"). I find with these grip extensions that it is much easier to securely grasp the weapon to help prevent "limp wristing".

http://inlinethumb28.webshots.com/48411/2664672550053667879S600x600Q85.jpg

BTW, I LOVE my G36.

Dan
I have that Plus Zero extension too, it makes a difference. It still has one hell of a snap, it's a monster [laugh]. I will try again tomorrow and post more results.

D.R. Middlebrooks
July 17, 2012, 04:38 PM
Try taking the mag extension off. Put it back to stock and see what happens. That will eliminate one possible problem.

bergmen
July 17, 2012, 05:06 PM
Try taking the mag extension off. Put it back to stock and see what happens. That will eliminate one possible problem.

I don't think the OP has the extension. I've never had a jam with mine (or my previous G36).

Dan

ColdDayInHell
July 17, 2012, 05:56 PM
I do have the Plus Zero ext. on my gun. I had just put it on and then got a few stovepipe jams. It could be the grip ext but I hope it isn't! I love it too much.

Fotno
July 17, 2012, 10:08 PM
I don't have any magazine extensions on my guns, but I've had friends who had trouble with them. I'd take it off and see if the problem goes away with it.

XD 45acp
July 17, 2012, 11:19 PM
I bought a new G36, and had that stovepipe issue also. I am a small guy with small hands. I am sure it was the wrist problem that was doing it, as the following owner has had zero failures with it. I had 11 out of 50. I switched to the XD and all has been fine. Real shame as I really liked that 36.

ColdDayInHell
July 18, 2012, 01:06 AM
I bought a new G36, and had that stovepipe issue also. I am a small guy with small hands. I am sure it was the wrist problem that was doing it, as the following owner has had zero failures with it. I had 11 out of 50. I switched to the XD and all has been fine. Real shame as I really liked that 36.
The XD is just as hard to get here in MA, actually Springfields are way more uncommon here than Glock, because the sale of pre-ban Glocks is allowed here, whereas no SA guns are allowed for retail sale. I do love the XD 5.25 competition gun, such a nice looking gun. But the G34 is supposed to be awesome as well.

RAINS
July 18, 2012, 08:50 PM
Don't start getting upset just yet. I bet it's limp wristing or it just needs more break in rounds. (do check for burs on the extractor though) Both my G30sf and G21 ejected weird i.e. tossed brass in my face during the 200 round break in period. Make sure your hand/wrist is strong when you shoot your 36. If I shoot my G27 a couple days in a row by the end of day 2 it will start to jam up. Limp wristing! Small .40 and .45 guns must be held tight or they will not cycle. Good luck and have fun!

Texan Scott
July 18, 2012, 09:02 PM
my glock 22 dispensed brass like a grass-seed spreader, when it wasn't plinking me on the forehead or popping up in a high arc to drop down the back of my collar... it never jammed, though, not after the first few hundred cyclings. give it its proper beak-in, focus on shooting nice and slow, pay attention to the basics. (not becuase you need to learn how to shoot, but because you need to learn to shoot IT). feed it 6 or 8 more boxes of wwb or whatever. THEN if it's still a pita, call in help. till then- bang away!

Remllez
July 18, 2012, 10:30 PM
Most likely a combination of limp writing and cheap ammo!!! Buy some ammo that has alittle snap to it....at least for 6-10 boxes until it finds it's groove. Do make sure you grip the pistol firmly from beginning to end of your trigger push. And don't forget follow through.

It may help if you let a friend that shoots pistols well to give her a go, then have him load your mags with ammo and snap caps cause I'll almost guarantee you're shooting low and to one side or the other. You can tell us, your amongst friends here....:)

Don't get so all fired itchy to sell the darn thing, you hardly know her first name yet! You need to take the good advice you got from your post and go give it a whirl, just you,the gun, and a couple boxes of decent ammo.

GlackAttack
July 19, 2012, 06:30 PM
UMC is often underpowered, otherwise you couldn't have been limp wristing, could you?

jumbopain
July 19, 2012, 06:38 PM
im sad to hear you are having similar problems now.

i thought about selling my 36 too, but i just went ahead and replaced the extractor. i havent been to the range since, but i'll let you know if that fixed my FTEs.

good luck.

ColdDayInHell
July 20, 2012, 02:12 AM
Thanks all, the last 40rds were flawless, UMC again.

Shuler13
July 20, 2012, 02:16 AM
Wait. A Glock failed? What about all those tests?

Just kidding. Glad you had a better experience the second time around.

chicharrones
July 21, 2012, 11:26 AM
Don't start getting upset just yet. I bet it's limp wristing or it just needs more break in rounds. (do check for burs on the extractor though) Both my G30sf and G21 ejected weird i.e. tossed brass in my face during the 200 round break in period. Make sure your hand/wrist is strong when you shoot your 36. If I shoot my G27 a couple days in a row by the end of day 2 it will start to jam up. Limp wristing! Small .40 and .45 guns must be held tight or they will not cycle. Good luck and have fun!

That certainly can be the case.

I have had one jam in my 36 due to me getting too relaxed with my grip after shooting several boxes of ammo. I don't have that problem with heavier guns if I relax my grip just a tad.

Same thing can happen to me with pocket size blowback guns, like a NAA Guardian.

The good thing is, as long as this is realized, it can be overcome with practice and knowing when to stop shooting. :cool:

CPshooter
July 21, 2012, 12:20 PM
Part of me loves the idea of a single-stack Glock .45, but I think Glock did a poor job designing the grip of the gun. It has the most oddly shaped backstrap of all the glocks in terms of where that bump makes contact with your palm. The sub-compacts like the 26/27 have the bump much higher up, which allows it to literally lock itself into my hand. The compacts like the 19/23 have a relatively straight backstrap with a gradual curve towards the bottom, which also works with my hands. The g36, however, has the bump placed somewhere in between. It just doesn't feel right at all. Furthermore, the 2-finger front strap makes absolutely no sense when you have a pseudo pinky rest made from an overly thick magazine floor plate. They should have either made it like the glock 26 where it's a true 2-finger grip with a recessed/flush magazine or they should have made the grip exactly like the g19, but thinner. Long story short, the g36 had potential, but they F'ed it up.

coalman
July 21, 2012, 02:38 PM
One nice thing about G36 problems is it's easy to find a recent post for more input:http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=665551. Good luck.

saltydog452
July 21, 2012, 03:01 PM
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bluetopper
July 21, 2012, 03:36 PM
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