I have a Glock 23 in the .40 caliber and now I'm looking for a 9mm to save some money on ammo. I just wanted everyone's thought or opinions on the pros/cons of both guns.
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July 17, 2012, 03:06 AM
Welcome to the forum...
While no one can tell you which pistol will suit you best I can tell you I really like the S&W M&P9. I'm not a Glock fan although they are also very good pistols. Of those 2 I would without a doubt choose the M&P9...
July 17, 2012, 03:14 AM
Like Archie said, they're both great guns. Each has innumerable fans, and reasons vary greatly. I prefer Glock. I don't believe either of them can be said to be better than the other. Just depends how each fit you.
July 17, 2012, 04:17 AM
have you thought about just buying a conversion barrel so you can shoot 9mm in your 23?
July 17, 2012, 06:33 AM
Yes. Either will work great. My preference of this two is the M&P because it is comfortable in my hand.
Of similar models, I would look at the caracal f. Or sig 2022. Both less expensive than your options.
July 17, 2012, 06:44 AM
A conversion barrel is the cheapest option.
If you want another gun though - look at the Caracal, you can probably pick one up cheaper than either the M&P or the Glock
July 17, 2012, 10:52 AM
I own both. Either is reliable and will serve you well, but my preference is for the M&P. It just feels better in the hand. The replaceable backstraps are great as I have small hands and use the smallest insert. I can shoot the Glock just fine but its not as comfortable. You can get replacable backstraps on the Gen4 Glocks but then you've got the horrendous finger grooves.
Also, this complaint is pretty minor but I like the dovetailed front sight on the M&P vs the screwed on sight on the Glock.
All in all though, pretty minor stuff. Like I said either will do you well. I don't own one (yet), but have also shot a Ruger SR9 and its also quite a good deal. It has a few drawbacks of its own (also all minor stuff), but I consider it in the same class as the M&P and the Glock.
July 17, 2012, 10:58 AM
Probably best to stick with the format you have on your current gun. If that is a glock 40, then practicing with an M&P 9 probably isn't the right answer. The question here is not which do you prefer. The posters here who like the M&P know what they like as do the Glock people. Something led you to own the Glock 40. If you do shoot an M&P and like it, you probably ought to trade the Glock you own and buy the M&P in 9 and 40.
July 17, 2012, 11:00 AM
Honestly, unless you really want a Glock, I don't see any advantage the Glock has over the M&P. The M&P is a bit less blocky, and it has ambidextrous slide stop. The Glock has right-hand-only slide stop. Also, unless you get a Gen4 Glock, you are limited to right-hand only mag release (instead of reversible) and there are no interchangeable backstraps pre-gen4. Those might not matter to you, but as a lefty with small hands, these features certainly matter to me. On the M&P you also have the option of a manual safety.
Caracal offers 18 rounds in flush magazine (+1 compared to G19/M&P), XDm offers 19 rounds, both come with ambidextrous mag release. I don't really remember the stats on the XD, but XD/XDm have a grip safety, which some like, some hate - I'm ambivalent towards.
There's also the Ruger SR series, but I haven't looked too much into it as it only comes with a manual safety, something I don't like. They have the longest butt of the slide compared with the other striker-fired options, but they are cheap and a lot of people like them. The last options are a Taurus 24/7 or FN FNS, both which have a lot of ambi controls, but come with manual safety.
Pretty much all of these striker-fired options are nice. As you can tell, as a lefty, ambi controls are very important to me, which is why I'm listing those in the description. How it fits in your hand is also important. Of all the ones I mentioned, XDm or M&P is likely what I'd go with. In fact, I'm still not sure between those which one I want.
July 17, 2012, 11:09 AM
I did what Shuler13 and OARNGESI are suggesting; bought a 40-9 conversion for my G27. I liked it so much I bought a G26 and sold the conversion barrel.
The conversion barrel cost about $99 at the time and gave me the option of basically two guns in one at a cost that is far less than a whole gun ... new or used.
Of course you have to be careful, I already had a G17, then bought a baby Glock (G26) because I liked the small 9mm and then bought a Gen4 19. Finding out what you really like can have unanticipated consequences.
July 17, 2012, 11:28 AM
Why not just get a coversion barrel and 9mm mags for the G23 you already have? That's the best way to go unless you're just looking for another gun to add to your inventory.
July 17, 2012, 11:29 AM
I have a 9mm shield, which seems to be fine. But do some research on accuracy issues with any of the other 9mm M&Ps. ONLY the 9mm seems to be effected. And, its a somewhat new issue... Past year or so...
This is one thread that instantly comes to mind. But, there are many others
July 17, 2012, 03:05 PM
I don’t want to get into a protracted discussion. That said I have both. The S&W-MP9 ergonomics is its main virtue. The Glock Gen- 4 addresses ergonomic issues but my example is Gen-3. Personally I don’t have a problem with the Glock Gen-3 G-17 nor the great grip angle controversy.
Changes made to the Glock G-17 replaced the OEM barrel with a KKM and changed the sights out to Warren Tactical night sight set
Changes made to the S&W MP9 changed the out the OEM sights to a Novak front night sight and a 10-8 plain “U” notch rear sight. The Magazine OEM base plates changed out to 10-8 base plates.
As for the trigger systems of both pistols yes there is a difference but I made no modifications and learned how to use each system.
July 17, 2012, 03:22 PM
I have both a Glock 19 and an M&P9 FS. The Glock 19 fits me better than the Glock 17, and I love the gun, but the M&P is now my main carry gun.
The M&P just seems more ergonomic and fits me better. As a result, I shoot it better. To be honest, hand me either and I will be happy.
I don't think you can go wrong with either, go rent them if possible to see which you like.
July 17, 2012, 04:55 PM
Whichever fits your hand better and you shoot better. Also do you want consistency or variance in your pistol brands?
Watch your lane.
July 17, 2012, 04:59 PM
9mm M&P 9 or the Glock 17
Both are good choices.
But a better choice would be the Walther PPQ or Walther P99AS. ;)
July 17, 2012, 07:25 PM
They are both very similar, reliable, well made quality products from top name manufactures. Shoot them both and take the one you like the most. No one can make this decision for you.
July 17, 2012, 07:32 PM
Me and my wife compared both last week. We put our money down on a M&P9C. She far and away shot the M&P better than any semi-auto we’ve tried (G19, XD9, FNS and FNX). We wanted an external safety mounted on the frame and in our opinion the M&P has the best.
The G19 feels like holding a 1x3 but I seem to shoot OK with it. I liked the FNX but my wife hated the complexity of DA/SA, a hammer and de-cocker.
The plastic, 9mm, semi-auto market is so competitive I don’t think you can go wrong with anything made by a major player. I say rent the ones you're interested in and pick the one you shoot best with.
July 17, 2012, 07:43 PM
That's a nice big fat safety on the m&p.
Watch your lane.
July 17, 2012, 08:15 PM
Not on mine
July 17, 2012, 08:17 PM
July 17, 2012, 08:54 PM
Shuler, I love that palm swell, how did you come about acquiring said accessory?
July 18, 2012, 01:13 AM
Glock 17. You already have the Glock 23. IMO stay with the same platform.
July 18, 2012, 04:56 AM
Shuler, I love that palm swell, how did you come about acquiring said accessory?
A guy on the Smith and Wesson forum (streakpi) stipples grips, the tool, the mag release and the baseplate in brown or black in a variety of patterns. Check his stuff out.
July 18, 2012, 05:00 AM
Also on fb. A2 Stippling.
July 18, 2012, 05:46 AM
If you're used to a Glock the M&P will feel kind of weird when you point it... The M&P is a little more traditional in that sense.
I've found that both guns are extremely ergonomic and designed around a very utilitarian philosophy. It's not a matter of which gun is more ergonomic it's a matter of which gun's ergonomics you prefer. Fortunately they're both outstanding weapons and knowing that they will both preform extremely well you can make an educated decision by just holding and dry-firing a few times in the store.
July 18, 2012, 06:59 AM
buy a conservaion barrel and some 9mm mags. if you still want a second gun stay with glock.
July 18, 2012, 10:22 AM
I like M&P's a lot better than Glocks, but that's pure preference/taste. They're both great guns.
July 18, 2012, 10:28 AM
But do some research on accuracy issues with any of the other 9mm M&Ps. ONLY the 9mm seems to be effected. And, its a somewhat new issue... Past year or so...
I'm not an M&P guy, but this Hilton Yam blog post would indicate it is an old issue that has subsequently been corrected.
Though in another post he comments on his use of a 9MM M&P in competition and says the M&P was designed around the .40S&W and made to work with the 9MM, while the Glock was designed around the 9MM and made to work with the .40S&W.
M&P9. Much sleeker pistol between the 2, and is American made.
Both are great pistols though, but if I had a choice it'll always be the M&P.
July 19, 2012, 12:33 PM
You are talking about the two best guns being made at the moment (using my $$$ value filter).
I made the same decision awhile back, and went with Glock. I love the simplicity of Glock. I'm also a tinkerer, so I love that I can easily make modifications to my Glocks in ways that are very difficult with other guns.
That said, I expect that I'll have an M&P Shield in the future. And, that's only because Glock refuses to make a single-stack sub 1-inch frame 9mm gun.
July 19, 2012, 10:00 PM
everything he said^. except I am more interested in the beretta nano, than the shield.
July 21, 2012, 12:41 AM
Why would you practice with a 9mm barrel in a .40 gun? The round is different, and the gun has a different feel with a different caliber in it. Just break down and buy a Dillon Square Deal B and some reloading supplies. Then, roll your own .40 ammo and practice.
July 21, 2012, 04:52 PM
I had a S&W M&P but I sold it.
I shoot my Glock better.