[BigShep85]

I know I might get flogged for this but I have started to wonder.

First off I hunt year around, everything I can squirrel, turkey, coon, and especially deer. I am pumped for hunting season this years deer, I mean can't wait, got so bad I started hunting coyote. BUT anyway

I didnt put out a food plot last year and didn't kill anything but I didnt go maybe 4 or 5 times total, worked too much. I don't have a feed spreader, game camera, anything like that but I decided this year I was going all out. I started with buying a game camera got it home and got to thinking....deers don't have heat detection goggles, fancy camo, tree stands to hide from me,or super quiet boots to put on to give them a better chance of sneaking by me. Went to the store today and was looking at the hunting magazines it seemed that all that was in it was how to plant your plot, or how to mow a trail to your food plot so the deer will follow it ("make it extra wide!" it said) or the newest super heat tracking broadheads lock onto deers heat signature can't miss!(just kidding don't send me private messages asking where to get those or what magazine its in:D)

So I took the camera back I feel that yes they have their advantages but so do I and I will go into the woods mano y mano this year again just like I did last year. Maybe I won't kill a thing but maybe I will If I scout their trails and find their watering hole or where they eat at what times the old fashion way time, energy, and sweat. I mean I could perch up on my table and shoot my dog in the morning as he makes the same trek he does every morning for his breakfast since I feed him too in the same place I always have then eat him is that hunting too?

It just seems like it has gotten so crazy, half of it nothing but a money racket, $50 for a pack of broadheads? vs $9 for a pack that does the same thing....kills whatever you shoot.

What is everybody elses opinion on this I guess I just feel like its more rewarding or i dunno I think I just feel like its more fair to mother nature in general. Maybe I just get tired of the gimmics you see in every magazine and on every t.v. channel.

I could go on but I won't I think you get the picture, so lets get this can of worms open and get some opinions on the issue.

Thanks guys ahead of time for everybodys input

[R.W.Dale]

I enjoy going out opening day and just loafing around in the woods with a gun. Just me a little bit of woodscraft and a sense for where I need to be.

I've been quite successful and lots of times I don't even wear camo. I own some gadegtry but its more directed towards making the shot than it is finding the critter

[allaroundhunter]

I keep it technology free when I am hunting white tails. Hogs are another story...for them, the game cameras, night vision, and traps are brought into play.

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[Davek1977]

I'm not much for the latest gadgets, and have put venison on the table each and every year since I was 13. A gun, ammo, scope, cleaning materials, and a good pair of binocs pretty much rounds out my entire kit, and it never fails to serve me well if I put in my effort. 90% plus of those deer have come on opening wkend, too.

[Friendly, Don't Fire!]

:oI know what the OP is saying.;)

In the area where I live, unless one has some kind of 'edge' over other hunters:o, it seems that one does not see a legal buck, let alone get a shot at one.:rolleyes:

I didn't think I would revert to a food plot, however, if I am going to realistically stack the cards somewhat in my favor, I am more than likely going to need, at minimum, a small food plot.
:confused:

I have plenty of deer activity on my property, however any deer I have ever seen are does. I realize if there are does, there is most likely a buck (or two) hiding just beyond the lawn where the does are, and keeping himself/themselves in the thickest of the woods.

One evening a number of years ago, there were six does and yearlings eating on my back lawn when I turned on the yard lights!:scrutiny:

[DammitBoy]

No tree stands, no food plots, no cameras, no scopes, no scent pads, no nonsense. Just me, my rifle, my camo and the woods full of god's creatures - most of whom at one time or another have found their way next to the mashed potatoes and gravy on my dinner plate.

[jmr40]

I hunt almost exclusevely on public land. It is all mountains so climbing a tree would be pointless, and i'm often several miles from the road and I'm not gonna carry one that far anyway. No bait.

There is a lot of public land within 15 minutes of the house and I retired just 2 years ago so I've been spending lots of time in the woods. 2-4 days a week, and travel to other areas away form home and camp and hunt 2-3 times each season. There is something to hunt 10 months a year here. Deer season is 5 months long with a 12 deer limit, but I don't always get one. I didn't kill a deer last year. Could have shot a couple, but was 4-5 miles from the truck and decided if I were carrying meat that far I wanted a bigger rack. I enjoy hunting this way even if I end the season with no deer. Once more than a mile from the road I never see another hunter, even on public land.

I have a friend with about 20 acres, and almost as many tree stands who plants food for the deer. If I kill anything I can drive my truck right up to it and load it. I'm welcome any time and I do occasionaly go there just to shoot a doe or small buck for the meat. I don't really consider it hunting. More like grocery shopping.

[dragon813gt]

Baiting is illegal in PA but even then I would not use a feeder. I had a trail cam last year that was stolen so I won't be using one ever again. I don't hunt on land I own so there is no food plot. But the land is a farm so there is corn planted. And I do use a stand because it's the only way to get a shot. I use a crossbow with a non magnified scope. So I guess that's some technology right there. And for rifle I have a new Marlin 1894C in 357 Mag so my range will be greatly reduced to basically archery range. Unless I hunt with a recurve, which I won't be, that's about as simple as I will get.

And I typically hunt after work in my work clothes which consist of a red shirt and khakis. No camouflage for most of the deer season.


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[Sam1911]

Yes. I only hunt one-on-one, naked and bare-handed. Until the deer are taught to use firearms (and not just pull the trigger -- I mean really aiming, here) I don't think hunting with a gun is fair at all.

It is distressing, though, as beating a deer to death with my fists is not at all what I'd call a "clean kill" but you've got to uphold fairness, right? Whatcha gonna do?

So far my attempts at duck hunting "fairly" have been extremely unsuccessful, though. I think I'm approaching a breakthrough in my attempts to fly, but since I won't use unfair cammo they seem to see my bluish-pink butt shivering in the marsh pond WAAAY too early.

[Art Eatman]

Fair? They have one every year in Dallas.

I've mostly ignored all the gear and gadgets which have entered the market during these last forty years. I've never seen them as necessary.

Mostly, I've just ambled around the country side. Old khakis are plenty enough for "camo" as well as for working in the garage. If I kick Bambi out of bed and decide I want him, I shoot him. Otherwise, just wandering around the boonies is soul-satisfying, along with a libation or two around the campfire of an evening.

[inclinebench]

Sometimes I use a treestand, and I have a rattle bag. Other than that, it is just the rifle. I dont want to start spending gobs of money. I enjoy hunting with simplicity, and I also enjoy getting away from technology by walking into the woods with a rifle.

I usually get a few deer every year, and untill I have a few dry years to tell me otherwise, I dont think that technology would improve what I am harvesting now.

[jmorris]

Anybody hunt fair anymore? Straight up man vs. wild I guess things havent been even between Me vs. Wild from the time I got my first fishing pole. From air rifles to gunpowder powered guns, then I totally sent the balance off kilter with optics that would allow better shot placement than I could ge with irons.

Even with all of that cheating on my side, it was more even between us when I was young and we had to cross paths to have a show down. Being older now, I'll have to admit shooting more than one critter while being concealed inside a box and they were eating food placed out for them. Then again I just chalk it up as another advantage of being human along with things like air conditioning, homes with beds,cars, planes....

[Arkansas Paul]

Anybody hunt fair anymore? Straight up man vs. wild


I was gonna post a quirky remark about how it's never fair, but Sam beat me to it. Well said sir.

[Rembrandt]

Every since primitive man chased buffalo over cliffs to obtain meat, someone has decried it as not being fair. What works for one person will offend another.....circular debate.

[Sav .250]

I hunt a lot with a bow. Now that`s ...fair.

[X-Rap]

If fair means bad optics, poor weapon/caliber, crappy clothes and boots, junkpackframe
, no com or nav devices and 2wd parked at the end of the black top then no I don't and won't hunt fair.

[Texan Scott]

Sav .250 hunts with a string and a sharp stick... pretty close to fair. I spent enough time in the service that i can STUN delicate animals with harsh language, but i've yet to see a clean one-curse kill.

[crazyjennyblack]

I hunt fair and I don't even have to use a gun. Just me, the open road, the night sky and my car.....:uhoh:

[Texan Scott]

Yes, killing deer with my chevy suburban seems fair... the headlights give plenty of advance notice, and they do always seem to be running.

[tahoe2]

Nope , I use a scoped rifle, wear camo, use cover scent & a rattle bag, use a grunt call and hike all over the place, I camp out for days checkin them out; come opening day I never see a one(buck), go figure! Guess that's why they call it huntin and not killin! I always see does, and the bucks I have seen were on private property, with no access.

[MCgunner]

I've decided to hunt fair. I sold all my firearms, my knife. I'm going to have to jump on his back and break his neck with my bare hands. I figure I came in to this world naked, I should hunt naked. After all, the deer are naked, right? So, wearing warm clothes ain't fair! Makes it kinda tough climbing mesquite and cat claw to get a vantage point to leap from on the game, but hey, I gotta be "fair".

I'll make one concession, my finger nails ain't sharp enough. I'll have to use a sharp rock to butcher with.

[tomrkba]

If I go, it's with good boots, a shotgun, a beagle and the expectation of walking far and wide. If I see a rabbit, I take the shot. But, the grass is high in my area and it's very difficult to see the rabbit. I am not interested in doing it any other way unless it involves more dogs.

[SleazyRider]

Despite some of the sarcasm contained in this thread, I can appreciate what the OP is saying; in fact, it is precisely the reason I enjoy black powder shooting so much---after I put meat on the table with my scoped .270, that is. This is the reason many of us hunt with longbows rather than compound; flintlock over percussion or cartridge; hand tools over machinery. It is not to say that primitive means are superior to technology, but there is something very soul-satisfying about harvesting game without all the bells and whistles.

[wyohome]

Of the last 5 bucks that I have killed, 2 were in an alfalfa field and I used hay bales for both concealment and a rifle rest, the other 3 were shot offhand in the sagebrush. With a modern rifle and a scope. Fair enough for me.

[buck460XVR]

If it's legal, it's fair. Break the rules and you're cheatin'.

[Robert]

There are no tree stands or food plots when hunting Elk in the Rockies, at least not in any area I have been in. It is you, a rifle and a lot of walking or stalking. Doesn't get much fairer than that. I mean unless I use a sharp pointy stick...

[nmlongbow]

I've seen quite a few elk hunters using tree stands.

All of my hunting is on public land with a wood longbow or recurve. No stands, food plots, cameras, scent blockers, 4 wheelers etc. I really don't care what's fair I'm just glad I can still hunt the way I like best.

Packing an elk out solo is getting tough and I hope I can do it for at least a few more years.

[osprey176]

I don't use game cameras,as where I hunt trees are pretty scarce.I took a seven year old buck last year after walking several miles into a wilderness area.Just me,a good rifle(purchased in 1979), binocs, and a good pair of boots. I brought my hunting buddy to help spot and drag,but he's pretty low tech. I find doing it the hard way increases the reward.

[41 Mag]

Well I use feeders on my small 100'ish acre place year round as I can afford to fill them. I set out cameras during the year just to see whats coming to fill their bellies. I really enjoy getting up there to see what we have caught on the cameras, as sometimes it is simply great pictures of deer doing what deer do, and not necessarily having their head in a feed bucket.

I strive for the utmost accuracy from all of my firearms, and can usually take full advantage of the power of them to ranges most folks figure is too far. Even with my revolvers I have no hesitation reaching out to 100yds or more in the right situation to smack a fat hog through the shoulder.

I got into archery a couple of years back with the anticipation it was going to be something a bit more than it turned out to be. Don't get me wrong, it is totally an up close and personal thing, and to date I have only killed one deer. This said I can usually easily hit the orange ear plugs I use for spots on my targets out to 40yds. The hogs which run amok through our woods and pastures have found that the swish of air they hear, as my arrows slip through their buddies, is not something they need to stick around for.

To be honest, no matter what I hit the woods with I have an advantage. Even if I didn't feed I still would have the advantage as I know just which trees drop the best acorns or pecans, and just where to sit to keep the wind in my face while hunting there. All this said over the past dozen or so years, I have only shot 5 deer period. It's not that I couldn't have taken many, and in fact I have seen plenty that any hunter would have been proud of. I simply enjoy hunting and in most cases simply knowing I could have, is just as good or better to me, than if I would have. That is for deer, the hogs, well they don't ever get a break.

[MCgunner]

Despite some of the sarcasm contained in this thread, I can appreciate what the OP is saying; in fact, it is precisely the reason I enjoy black powder shooting so much---after I put meat on the table with my scoped .270, that is. This is the reason many of us hunt with longbows rather than compound; flintlock over percussion or cartridge; hand tools over machinery. It is not to say that primitive means are superior to technology, but there is something very soul-satisfying about harvesting game without all the bells and whistles.

All simply your opinions. I can point out to you that even flinters were state of the art in 1830. Hell, long bows were state of the art when the Brits defeated France at Agincourt in 1415. This was "high tech" and running down hogs and sticking 'em (which I've done) was "primitive". That was done with hog dogs which could be considered as "high tech" somewhere back when dogs were domesticated, I suppose.

Hell, even Cochise gave up bows when he got his hands on a Winchester. :D It's all in your perspective. I sorta like my scoped CVA inline, myself. Helps my old eyes avoid an errant shot. What I like about black powder doesn't really have to do with iron sights and ignition style.

The story of human history and evolution involves developing BRAINS and getting an edge up on the game we needed to feed our families. It helped us to THINK since we didn't have the teeth, claws, and speed we otherwise needed as predators.

[pat86323]

deers don't have heat detection goggles, fancy camo, tree stands to hide from me,or super quiet boots to put on to give them a better chance of sneaking by me.


really.....where do you hunt deer, ive always felt like even with my equuipment the deer have the advantage. Sure you might kill one, but how many were you 20 yards from that remained undetected?

[MCgunner]

BTW, is the term "modern muzzleloader" an oxymoron? :D

[Chevelle SS]

Straight up man vs wild means your naked with only your hands, feet, and teeth. I think I'll pass on that experience.

[Art Eatman]

Man vs. wild? How far back do you want to go? Paleo Indians used spears and atlatl/darts. Somewhere after the time of Christ they figured out "bonearrers". We all know the evolution of the rifle and of sighting apparatus.

Homo sap is a tool user and has freedom of choice as to his tools. The deal is to minimize wasted effort in the use of one's time. I'm seriously lazy, so a scoped rifle seems to be about as "man-up" (whatever that stupid phrase means) as I ever intend to be.

[Texan Scott]

I personally don't like scopes (irrational prejudice, maybe), and i don't think deer see well enough that camo makes much difference if i stay still. (I've never shot deer while wearing camo). I don't like tree stands... i prefer to be MOBILE when I hunt. Me, tryin to be quiet and keep them upwind of me with a halfway decent rifle, that's hunting.
That said, their hearing is better than mine by far, and they can smell the sulphur compounds in my sweat and breath from a ridiculously long way away, if i'm not downwind of 'em. I can't smell them pooping 50 yards upwind on a hot day.
I like to keep it simple, but I'm not above taking an advantage where I can, if it puts meat in the family freezer.

[Pit4Brains]

One truck, one or two rifles depending on where I'm stepping out, binos, my backpack full of knives, saw, tarp, rope and other dressing needs, and beer in the cooler for after the kill or the mid-day drive back to the cabin.
Every marketeer will sell you all sorts of useless junk and you will even see it being used on those hunting shows to really press the market. It's the same thing in the fishing world.

[One_Jackal]

Planting food plots, technology, baiting, anything so called advantage is null if you can't employ the basics. Preparation such as food plots, building blinds just give me a chance to spend time with my friends.

For those of you that can't kill a deer, don't feel bad. 10% of the hunters kill 90% of the deer. Works the same way for fishing...

[Texan Scott]

if ten percent of the fishers are killing 90% of the beer, you might need new fishing buddies.... or did I read that wrong?

[buck460XVR]

...that and 90% of the fish live in 10% of the body of water you are fishing. In other words, you need more beer.

[JERRY]

i dont hunt fair. i dont use a bow and arrow. i never saw a fat indian.

i dont put doe piss on me or whatever gimmick is the latest craze.

ive had to scramble to get my rifle lined up on a deer while i was leaning my thang out of the deer stand to take a whiz more times than i can remember. ive had to put down a cigarette a few times to hold the rifle just right when a nice buck came into view...

peterbuilts with headlights on, deisel smoke billowing and a roaring engine kills plenty of deer on pavement. they are not that smart.

[baylorattorney]

I hunt fare every time.

[Rembrandt]

.....i dont use a bow and arrow. i never saw a fat indian.

Try the Casinos.....

[Texan Scott]

lol... some people on THR might not catch that... but I'm assuming, since you studied law at Baylor, that you're hunting 'fare' because it graces your table.
The only real shame is people who don't know the difference between 'playin fair' and 'plain fare'... in which case, they need better recipies. :p

[JERRY]

Try the Casinos.....

thats because theyre using slot machines to trap the chumps, erah um i mean game.

[courtgreene]

I would say that anyone in the southeast who hunts public land is hunting fair. And for us, there is fairly little chance of a harvest. Westerners know how to do public hunting grounds... we just take the scraps we are given and do our best. (and we need every advantage we can get)

[Sam1911]

There's really only one guy in the history of THR who really wanted to take game "fairly."

http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=409071

[Texan Scott]

AAAAHAHAHAHAHAAA.... CLASSIC! SOOIEE THAI!

i needed that.... i'll stick to lever-action, though.... thanks!

[Sam1911]

That thread was EPIC. We won the internet that week. ;)

This became a kind of catch-phrase for a while, brought up in response to any suggestion too mind-bogglingly daft for prime time:
Did someone just ask if he could kick a pig to death?

[jbkebert]

I would think that deserves to be added to H&H Hunters thread "Most Challenging hunts in North America". Thanks for the laugh.

[MCgunner]

and beer in the cooler for after the kill or the mid-day drive back to the cabin.....

....while posting on your IPhone to THR about your kill while driving the truck with your knees? :D Hell, sounds safe to me! :D

[DammitBoy]

I don't care how you hunt, to me, hunting over bait or food plots is unethical hunting - so I don't do it.

Sitting in a tree stand, or a shoot house is boring, so I don't do it.

Your mileage may vary...

[ZeroJunk]

I don't know any way to make it hard to kill a deer around here. I usually leave the house , but it isn't necessary.

[Art Eatman]

Aw, now, DammitBoy, wolves and cougars hunt around food plots which exist in haphazard manner. People, being a bit smarter, put the food plots where they're more convenient. The actual gathering of supper is little different except for the different tools which are used; in general, teeth vs. rifles. Homo sap, being a bit short-changed in the tooth department, prefers the rifle.

[Skyshot]

"A peculiar value in wildlife ethics is that the hunter ordinarily has no gallery to applaud or disapprove of his conduct. Whatever his acts, they are dictated by his own conscience, rather than by a mob of onlookers." "Ethical behavior is doing the right thing when no one else is watching--even when doing the wrong thing is legal. " Aldo Leopold. Everyone has thier own ideas about fair chase. For me the kill is much sweeter, regardless of the implement used, if it is done one on one, the less gadgets and gizmos used the better.

[Sam1911]

For me the kill is much sweeter, regardless of the implement used, if it is done one on one, the less gadgets and gizmos used the better.

"Did someone just ask if he could kick a pig to death?"

:)

[mdauben]

What is everybody elses opinion on this I guess I just feel like its more rewarding or i dunno I think I just feel like its more fair to mother nature in general.
I admit that sitting in a blind with one of your buddies as dawn spreads across a recently harvested field, sipping coffee as you quietly discuss the coming days hunt has a certain attraction, I have always found the concept of still-hunting much more appealing, even if (or because?) it is harder and requires more skill.

[DammitBoy]

Aw, now, DammitBoy, wolves and cougars hunt around food plots which exist in haphazard manner. People, being a bit smarter, put the food plots where they're more convenient. The actual gathering of supper is little different except for the different tools which are used; in general, teeth vs. rifles. Homo sap, being a bit short-changed in the tooth department, prefers the rifle.

Your argument is specious and ignores my point. I'm not a wolf or cougar hunting for subsistence to survive. I can buy food at walmart.

Nor did I argue against using a rifle, which I do. Nor did I denounce anyone for hunting any which way they want. You can plant corn in your backyard and shoot deer while sitting on the crapper for all I care, hence my comment, "your mileage may vary".

I prefer to stalk and to test my skills in woodcraft, because I hunt for the challenge. I see no challenge in shooting animals over food plots. I doubt your wolves or cougars are interested in these things.

I'm not interested in trophy hunting, so I don't do it, but I do not begrudge those who do. How about I be me and you be you?

I'm a little surprised at the general animus and ridicule displayed towards folks who like to hunt differently than you do, especially by the moderators in this thread. :scrutiny:

[ZeroJunk]

Young hunters in particular think it is a big challenge to kill a deer in the open woods still hunting or stalking. And, perhaps it is depending on where you are at. But, after you have killed a few dozen you realize that the challenge wasn't all that much ,and quit crowing about it.

[Kachok]

^ That is why they invented bow hunting :D and if that is to easy for you they just made an official spear hunting season here :what:

[ZeroJunk]

I have killed several with a bow, but I'm thinking that a spear might be just a little out of my league.

[chas08]

Yes! Every year in Pennnsylvania! Me , my 45/70 , and the Woods!
Wish I could do something about that 1600 mile drive though!

[Sam1911]

I'm a little surprised at the general animus and ridicule displayed towards folks who like to hunt differently than you do, especially by the moderators in this thread.

Awww, don't take any of our kidding too hard, or the wrong way. Hunting is a challenge and each of us enjoy different kinds of, and intensity of, challenge in their hunt. Every one is equally great, for different people. Lots of ways to put meat on the table -- or hang parts of a deceased creature on your wall if that's your thing!

But none of us would, or should, ever call it "fair." If it was FAIR, the deer would stand some chance of eating YOU! :D

[Texan Scott]

Yeah, like the Nuge, bowhunting TIGERS on a private game ranch. :what:
THAT woulda been some cat scratch fever, alright. Me, I hunt to eat... any chance of being EATEN makes it not so good.

[Art Eatman]

"I don't care how you hunt, to me, hunting over bait or food plots is unethical hunting - so I don't do it."

That sure wasn't from a moderator, saying that a different style of hunting is unethical. Southern forests are vastly different from the open plains of the west, for just one example. They have led to completely different styles of hunting.

What I've always said about styles of hunting, ever since we started this website, is that it's different strokes for different folks. Local customs, terrain and vegetation pretty well define the ethics.

For me, my favorite style was sneaky-snaking around, trying to out-think Ol' Biggie and then enjoying the taste of good deer meat.

I recall one deer hunt at a feeder in fifty years. To have not done it would have been a gratuitous insult to my host, who had invited me to his lease. But it was not an ethical thing so much as a boredom thing that's kept me out of box blinds. Other folks are happy with it, so good for them.

Ethics, to me, is 99% about clean kill and minimum suffering. Fussing over different styles is more often arrogance than ethics.

Heh. If waiting for Bambi over bait is bad, is it plumb evil to imitate a wounded rabbit and call a coyote? :D

[Sam1911]

Ethics, to me, is 99% about clean kill and minimum suffering.


Exactly! Which is why there's this terrible, soul-rending anguish over the dichotomy between my deep-seated need to hunt ethically, and my great desire to hunt fairly. I just can't square up a quick, painless death with beating a deer to death with my fists, or gnawing through its jugular with my underdeveloped canines! (Or kicking a pig to death.) :)

[Texan Scott]

I suffer a huge, soul-rending dilema over whether to kill the animal as quickly as possible because it's the humane and ethical thing to do, or if (instead) I should kill it as quickly as possible because I don't want to chase it over half the hill country...

[Pistol Ranch]

I hunt out of box blinds over feeders on my ranch in West Texas. I have NEVER dressed in camo clothing and laugh at the babes I see on Outdoor
TV that go to the extreme to "look" like a hunter.
My feeders are located at 200+ yards from my blinds. I keep a S&W Mod 57 or a Ruger Old Army strapped on a gunbelt for near shots when the occasion arises. I have killed deer with both pistols.
If you know anything about West Texas, you know that the wind blows, sometimes pretty hard. 15 feet off the ground, in a box swaying with the wind is as much an even chance as I will give the animal I wish to kill.
In my part of the country, someone sneaking thru the woods just might be an illegal alien, not very smart IMO.

P.R.

[Art Eatman]

Ehhh, being out in the boonies, just meddling around and pretending to be a Mighty Nimrod has always been fun. But all that grinnin' made my face go all wrinkly. :D

Never kicked a hog, though. I did boink a fox on his nose with my boot toe, one time. Loud laughter scares the bejeebers out of a fox. Hair stuck out like he'd jabbed his nose into an electric socket.

[MCgunner]

"A peculiar value in wildlife ethics is that the hunter ordinarily has no gallery to applaud or disapprove of his conduct. Whatever his acts, they are dictated by his own conscience, rather than by a mob of onlookers."



I think the late Mr. Leupold, much as i admire him, misses one point which is..... who is setting the rules? One man's cheating is another man's preferred method as long as, as Mr. Leopold says, it is legal. You do it your way, I'll set up my feeder...which is legal. :D

[wankerjake]

How about I be me and you be you?

Umm, I don't think anyone's mind has been altered by this thread, everyone here is going to do just that;)

Except for me, of course. I now have an extreme desire to kick a pig to death. Straight up. My foot vs. Wild. It's only fair.

[ZeroJunk]

I think it is just the sanctimonious annoucement that I am a superior hunter because I do it this way that gets on people's nerves.

Deer just aren't very hard to kill no matter how you go about it unless you want to try it with a spear or kick one to death.

[Art Eatman]

What gear is fair for the Great Kick Of Death? Bare feet? Flip-flops? Regular boots? Steel-toed boots?

Inquiring minds would like to know.

[ZeroJunk]

I guess if you kicked one to death with boots somebody would say the boots are an unfair advantage.

[jbkebert]

I think ninja tabi boots and socks would only be fitting. Nothing else could hold up to the brutal massive blows of mauy thai kicks.

[Art Eatman]

I know a guy who figured getting kicks from mauy thai wasn't near as good as from Maui Wowee...

[jbkebert]

Did it have any Labrador in it? Sorry old Cheech and Chong movie line popped in my head.

[MCgunner]

I like my Crocs, I vote for Crocs!

[JohnBT]

"I guess if you kicked one to death with boots somebody would say the boots are an unfair advantage."

When I read your post, I was about to post that kicking one to death would only be fair if you ran it down barefooted.

I think I'll try duck hunting without my glasses. If I can find the blind. Or the boat.

[DammitBoy]

"I don't care how you hunt, to me, hunting over bait or food plots is unethical hunting - so I don't do it."

What I've always said about styles of hunting, ever since we started this website, is that it's different strokes for different folks.

Congratulations, you just repeated exactly what I said. Please note the "to me" and the "I don't care how you hunt".

Reading, it's fundemental... :rolleyes:

[MCgunner]

Which reminds me, gotta buy a new battery for the feeder and get it set up.

[ZeroJunk]

Reading, it's fundemental...

As is spelling.

[wankerjake]

^^ Zing!

[tarosean]

There's really only one guy in the history of THR who really wanted to take game "fairly."
http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=409071


Was he shamed of the board or did he try that hunt? LOL

[Art Eatman]

DammitBoy, what's built into your statement which is offensive is that you take it upon yourself to define as unethical a style of hunting which is regularly seen as ethical by hunters all across the nation.

If you don't like some method, fine. No problem. But don't go name-calling just because of a dislike.

[CountryUgly]

No tree stands, no food plots, no cameras, no scopes, no scent pads, no nonsense. Just me, my rifle, my camo and the woods full of god's creatures - most of whom at one time or another have found their way next to the mashed potatoes and gravy on my dinner plate.
I could not have said it better myself....so I'm stealing it!....^^^ what he said^^^

[bluethunder1962]

I agree with sam1911 on the first page. I know I am going to make some people mad but how can hunting be fair when most "sports" both sides know thy are in the game. Even if the deer knew it was in the "game" it has only one defence run but how do you out run a bullet from a highpower gun. Sorry if I made anybody mad but I just have never understood the love of killing.

[Sam1911]

Sorry if I made anybody mad but I just have never understood the love of killing.

Well, killing is instinctual. As a predator, man is wired to do this, just as a cat is, or a shark. We may deny it, or wrap it up in a shroud of golden arches and the grocer's freezer case, but we all do it or contribute to it (or starve ourselves into vegetarianism).

But we're the only part of the food chain that feels guilty enough about it to try to make it seem more "fair" to the next animal in the chain who's being caught/killed/eaten.

The actual truth of survival comes into view when you stand in the killing room of a slaughter house and observe a line of cows or hogs shuffling in to having their brains concussed and contemplate that it really doesn't get a whole lot more "fair" than that.

But not ME! No tree stands, no food plots, no cameras, no scopes, no scent pads, no boots, no socks, no pants, no underwear, no eyeglasses, no razor, no deodorant, no antibiotics, just me, my fingernails, my teeth and the woods full of god's creatures - most of whom have outrun, out-flown, out-swum, and generally disappeared over the next ridge from my shivering blue butt while I sit nekkid in the swamp chewing on caterpillars and acorns. Ahhh the life of a hunter!

[bluethunder1962]

Hey I don't eat meat and I am just as fat as anybody. HEHE

[Magoo]

I think I'll try duck hunting without my glasses. If I can find the blind. Or the boat.

You'd already be the blind. Boating would be unsafe. Please don't hunt near me. :p

That pig kicking thread was truly great. Thanks for the link Sam.

I hope to kill my first deer this year. The "food plots" are regularly and lovingly cared for. I've really only got one safe shooting lane, though :(. I'll be perched on my mother in law's front porch waiting (with a scoped rifle) for the landscape munching freezer fillers to walk by. I'm in this for the meat.

[MCgunner]

Hey I don't eat meat and I am just as fat as anybody. HEHE

The best diet I ever tried was the low carb thing, lost 45 lbs and fit into things I hadn't fit in since I was 20 something. But, I had to start drinking milk, eating tex mex, gained SOME of it back. :D

But, it was a neat diet, stuff yourself with meat, salad and green veggies of your choice. Eat til you puke, or almost til you puke.:D

[MCgunner]

Oh, to piss off all the yankees that hate me and my feeder......here's a shot of it feeding the hogs.

http://i38.tinypic.com/2iiyae9.jpg

And deer....

http://i36.tinypic.com/987kmw.jpg


Don't worry. You ain't invited.

[bbuddtec]

it's a yankee thing? well, guess'n I ain't a yankee as such.

[Texan Scott]

Sam1911, come to beautiful Port Arthur... In red state cajun swamp, comrade, insect is munching on you!

[DammitBoy]

DammitBoy, what's built into your statement which is offensive is that you take it upon yourself to define as unethical a style of hunting which is regularly seen as ethical by hunters all across the nation.

If you don't like some method, fine. No problem. But don't go name-calling just because of a dislike.

Please point out where I did any "name-calling"?! :eek:

I said, personally - to me - I consider it unethical, as in it's my personal opinion about how I hunt. It has nothing to do with anyone else.

I even went further and said I didn't have a problem with anybody hunting any which way they felt like hunting. Hell yes I "take it upon myself" to define my own personal ethics!

If you find that offensive, I suggest you cover up that thin skin with a strong sunscreen and a denim jacket... :rolleyes:

[JohnBT]

So what you're saying is, when you titled the thread "Anybody hunt fair anymore?", you really meant "Anybody hunt like me?"

[Sam1911]

Obviously. Looks like enough people got their toes bent out of shape and their nose stepped on for now.

Tune in next month when when we have the same debate again.