[mljdeckard]

We need to be prepared to organize and boycott theaters that start banning and searching.

[highorder]

All the theaters in Cincinnati are staffed by kids, and a mere few of them at that. Increasing ticket prices to afford some semblance of increased security (because theaters won't cut into dwindling profits) will only assure fewer people patronize that theater.

This incident, however tragic, is statistically rare and probably wont change much.

[3006mv]

are we talking about the mass shooting at the dark knight rises opening in denver, co?

[Tipro]

Unfortunately north carolina bans carying into places that sell alcohol or charge admission, both of which movie theaters do. so here that wouldn't do any good.

[buck460XVR]

This incident, however tragic, is statistically rare and probably wont change much.

I agree. I also doubt he came thru the front door with his arsenal.

[XD 45acp]

With all of the recent U.N. gun ban stuff and such going on,... Be prepared, the Anti's will be coming out of the woodwork now. You know they have been waiting for something like this so they can shift into high gear.

[JohnD13]

"With all of the recent U.N. gun ban stuff and such going on,... Be prepared, the Anti's will be coming out of the woodwork now. You know they have been waiting for something like this so they can shift into high gear."

This is exactly what I expect too. 'Remember, "Never let a crisis go to waste."

[ny32182]

Not sure how many states this applies, but theaters are already prohibited by law in SC. "Just another" prohibited place shooting.

Both sides try to manipulate these rare, statistically insignificant, yet high-profile tragedies in their political favor.

[comus3]

You couldn't give it a day or two before we start a tactics thread on best seats for return fire and best carry mode for reclinable chairs?

[RX-178]

You couldn't give it a day or two before we start a tactics thread on best seats for return fire and best carry mode for reclinable chairs?

Excuse me? Can you point out any single post on this thread involving that topic?

[comus3]

This could have waited a day until people know what's going on. We've referenced the UN and boycotts already. I think you know what I mean.

[Plan2Live]

theaters are already prohibited by law in SC.According to which Statute? I can't find theaters on the excluded list.
http://http://www.sled.sc.gov/SCStateGunLaws1.aspx?MenuID=CWP

[RX-178]

This could have waited a day until people know what's going on. We've referenced the UN and boycotts already. I think you know what I mean.

Nope, I'm afraid I don't know what you mean. You said that, and I'm paraphrasing, but I think your intent was to say we shouldn't be discussing the best theater seats for return fire? I still don't see that topic being discussed on this thread.

[comus3]

I'm saying we are focused on how this affects us. Will we be able to carry in a movie theater, will the media distort get things wrong on the gun, will it lead to gun control etc. I think we are a lot less affected by it than the people killed and wounded. I think that's clear.

[RX-178]

Thank you for the clarification.

[comus3]

Wasn't my intention to get on the high horse, I got caught up thinking about what a parent must feel like to go to take their kids to the movies and lose that kid to something senseless like this.

[RX-178]

And I wasn't trying to be confrontational, I was confused as to what you were trying to say, you clarified, I thanked you for it.

Let's all get back on topic then.

[ny32182]

According to which Statute? I can't find theaters on the excluded list.

"Any place that requires an admission fee to be paid for entry".

[Plan2Live]

"Any place that requires an admission fee to be paid for entry". I believe that's NC, not SC. I've re-read the statutes published on the State Law Enforcement Division's website pertaining to Concealed Carry and don't see that restriction.

[RX-178]

That brings up an interesting point. Do you actually have to pay a fee to enter the CINEMA?

Because I believe I have to actually walk inside, and enter the premises BEFORE I can pay a fee for my ticket.

[highorder]

Because I believe I have to actually walk inside, and enter the premises BEFORE I can pay a fee for my ticket.

Sure, but you need to give the kid your ticket to get to your theater, at least around here. I don't think the guy walked in through the lobby, but who knows anything at this point?

[ny32182]

I know that restriction was in place in SC when I got my CWP years ago, but sure enough I can't find it anywhere on the handgunlaw.us page right now. Maybe it got lifted in SC or something.

[mljdeckard]

I think that Schumer, McCarthy et al will be doing their normal thing, but now it puts everyone else on the spot. No one wanted to talk about guns during this election cycle, and now they will be forced to.

Does anyone think they will install metal detectors in theaters? (Are they already in some theaters?)

[highorder]

Does anyone think they will install metal detectors in theaters?

You know? I just don't think so these days. It's expensive. It needs to be staffed.

Most importantly? By taking overt security measures, is the theater then responsible for their patrons safety? Litigation varies by state, I'm sure.

[mljdeckard]

That is why I am wondering. A victim's family sues because the theater failed to provide adequate security to the patrons, they throw in some metal detectors in response, etc.

Does anyone know if CO allows carry in theaters or if this chain could have restricted them at this theater?

[hso]

This is not likely to become a problem.

The very valid issue of costs have been raised. Theater profits are down and adding costs with no return and negligible benefit isn't likely.

Reports are the guy came in through an exit instead of walking in the front so incurring the expense of screening won't address the particular problem.

The public concern for something like this will be minimal. One lone lunatic is the current description of the shooter and that makes such an even so rare most folks will consider the risk insignificant. The memory of the public is short and unless law enforcement starts saying this is part of some wider conspiracy the interest will drop in under two weeks.

I'm sure we should discuss what should be done to counter the anti claims, but I doubt any theater will staff up and frighten customers by putting them through searches.

[mljdeckard]

Like I say, my real concern is that those who have been disgruntled with the current administration's lack of direct action on guns will use this to corner him on it in campaign season and force him to make a stand he had not intended to before.

[CoRoMo]

Our governor is one of Bloomberg's boys. He's vocally anti-gun and, for some reason, popular.
There was a Denver police officer shot a few weeks ago at a city park jazz festival.
Then today's theater tragedy, that is obviously full volume national news, is already getting gun control discussions going.


Combine the above three sentences and my state may just be in for some restrictions on where us honest permit holders can and cannot carry.

I'll keep you posted and if it goes in that direction, I'll be asking you all to send letters here to remind our elected class where the tourism dollars come from and how they might see it dry up if you aren't allowed to visit a city park or theater while on vacation here.

[JonathanE]

CoRoMo,
Sorry for your State's tragedy, and for any upcoming RKBA battles as a result.
Clarification question: was is it permitted for a citizen to carry concealed in that theater?

[CoRoMo]

Thanks Jonathan. Keep those families in your prayers.

Yes, we've enjoyed the freedom to carry anywhere and everywhere that does not have a security checkpoint/metal detectors, or anywhere that is federally prohibited.

[Mayvik]

Several theater chains here post "no-guns" signs...but it's one of those you didn't see the sign and leave if they ask you to situations.

[mljdeckard]

We also need to be ready to respond to news reports where they use terms like 'automatic assault weapon', I'm already hearing the terms flying.

[hso]

Folks,

Let's stay focused on the issue of RKBA/Anti responses and our replies.

The PD Chief in Aurora has already used the term "assault rifle" when describing the firearms used (870, Ar, 2XGlock .40). He also described the ballistic armor being worn by the shooter (helmet, throat and groin and arm and leg protectors along with body).

There have been endless things made up about this before the news conference in Aurora that will be repeated over and over again on the internet (some of the same BS repeated here on THR as people wildly speculate instead of trying to stick to facts).

We need to be calm and factual and not rant when we're faced with Antis and sensationalists. We need acknowledge the tragedy and be grateful for the rarity of such attacks and point out that this rarity means that no universal knee-jerk reaction calling for metal detectors at theaters or bans on Glocks makes sense. When people say that bans on carry in theaters then won't "hurt" gunowners we should acknowledge that theaters are generally safe, but that parking lots and plenty of other places aren't as safe and locking our firearm up at home or in the car doesn't protect us or anyone else since we're not criminals. We need to acknowledge that someone with a concealed handgun may not have been able to kill the attacker, but point out that stopping an attack isn't about killing and that causing Holmes to stop shooting and leave the theater by putting him under fire is as good a stop as a killing shot.

Let's think of all the criticisms against us being tossed around and work on logical counters for them.

[Water-Man]

On TV, about an hour ago, the Chief, who was a cop in NY, used the language AR-15, two Glock 40s and a shotgun.

[GlackAttack]

:eek:

[BK]

Arsenal Built by Mail Order
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10000872396390444464304577541032679325726.html?mod=WSJ_hpp_LEFTTopStories

AURORA, Colo.—The alleged gunman behind the movie-house shooting that killed 12 people and wounded 58 others Friday had a "high volume of deliveries" by mail to his home and school over the past four months as he built an arsenal of weapons and explosives to conduct attacks, authorities said Saturday.

I post this here because it might end up being one of the avenues of attack for the antis. Keep your ears open for claims that guns can be received through the mail or suggestions that magazines and ammo should be restricted through FFLs like firearms currently are.

[Tipro]

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[Owen Sparks]

As I understand it Holmes burst in through a rear exit door that he had previously tampered with. He did not come in the front and no amount of security guards, metal detectors or pat downs or body cavity searches would have made any difference.