Cimarron P's nowhere to be found?


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blue32
July 22, 2012, 01:44 PM
I've had a (MP674) Cimarron model P, 32-20, 4.75", pre-war on order with my LGS for 60 days now. The LGS recently called Cimarron to confirm the order is still active. I've looked all over the internets with no luck. I know there might be a used one out there but I'd rather get new for my first SAA clone.

Is this a normal wait time? I've had dies, brass and bullets ready to go for over a month now. From what I've read about USFA on some boards, the wait is about a year. I'm actually considering dropping the cash on a real Colt if I could have it before the Cimarron...... certainly giving me more time to save.

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joecil
July 22, 2012, 01:50 PM
It has been next to impossible lately to get Uberti Cattleman guns in some calibers and the Cimarron uses it for the Mod P. I recently was looking for a 7.5" barrel version in 45 Colt through Bud's and they had no Uberti listed in that barrel length so I found on there they had by Cimarron and bought it. Very happy with the gun, oh yes mine is also a pre war model.

CraigC
July 22, 2012, 01:53 PM
Call Cimarron and see when they expect to get them.

Old Fuff
July 22, 2012, 04:23 PM
I suspect you will find that the revolvers are available, but not in .32-20 chambering. Manufacturers make, and distributors stock, the calibers and barrel lengths that are the most in demand. If the maker doesn't have them in stock you may have to wait for a production run - and that could be a long time. :banghead:

CraigC
July 22, 2012, 04:41 PM
Dixie Gun Works has the 5" length in stock but no 4". It's just a basic Cattleman.

Are you talking about the Pietta Pre-War or the "Frontier Sixshooter" with the more authentic finish?

I've got a standard Cattleman .32-20 from Taylor's:
http://photos.imageevent.com/newfrontier45/sixgunsii/large/Uberti%20.32WCF%20-%20001.JPG

skeeziks
July 22, 2012, 05:13 PM
I'm actually considering dropping the cash on a real Colt if I could have it before the Cimarron...... certainly giving me more time to save.
The U.S.F.A. is a much better gun than the Colt. I would take a USFA over a Colt any day.

joecil
July 22, 2012, 05:32 PM
I suspect you will find that the revolvers are available, but not in .32-20 chambering. Manufacturers make, and distributors stock, the calibers and barrel lengths that are the most in demand. If the maker doesn't have them in stock you may have to wait for a production run - and that could be a long time.

Exactly what I was trying to say but not well. 32-20 might be harder to find than say 45 Colt, 38/357. It seems when I was looking for the 7.5" barrel a lot of 38/357 on the shelves but few 45 Colts. I got lucky in that Bud's had one on their shelf in the store with the finish I prefer. I did change the grip to Stag Horn as I can't abide by the gold medallion type wood grips. I like the one piece one but not the higher dollar grips. Oh and mine was not only tuned by Cimarron it was also refinished as the case hardened/blued finish look so much better than the my two Uberti Cattlemen. However the manual in the box was a Uberti Cattleman manual. Oh and I posted a picture of it http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=662212 post #7

blue32
July 22, 2012, 05:54 PM
I was initially quoted 60-90 days, but I really didn't expect that. 32-20 is so cheap to reload and historically interesting I'm surprised its not more popular. Guess I am waiting on a production run.

Old Fuff
July 22, 2012, 06:10 PM
32-20 is so cheap to reload and historically interesting I'm surprised its not more popular.

Your observation is correct, but there doesn't seem to be much interest in .32's these days. Where there is some is the .327 Magnum, that will outperform the .32-20, and also chamber .32 H&R Magnum, .32 S&W Long and .32 S&W. Ruger offers it in (I believe) an 8-shot Blackhawk.

One_Jackal
July 22, 2012, 07:06 PM
Not as many people are reloading as much as you think. The only thing I see people reloading a lot is 28 ga shells for skeet/trap. I only know one person that has the equipment to reload pistol/rifle rounds. His stuff is gathering dust.

zoom6zoom
July 22, 2012, 07:18 PM
My LGS has the Cimarrons in stock pretty much all the time. Never seen a 32 though. I have the 45 Colt, very nice gun.

blue32
July 23, 2012, 09:11 AM
Just called; none on the shipment coming in next week. At least 30 more days until the shipment after that, and there's no guarantee my order will be on that one either. Where's a good place to get a USFA?

....aaaaand forget that idea. Called USFA, wait time is 18 months. Guess I'll shelve the SAA idea for a while. Thanks for the responses.

CraigC
July 23, 2012, 10:40 AM
If you want the second best SAA you can buy, here's a USFA .32-20 in their standard model. Bettered only by their Pre-War model.

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=297028656

Wil Terry
July 23, 2012, 01:51 PM
I HEARD a little rumor that Cimarron has gone to Pietta for their SA sixguns now.

CraigC
July 23, 2012, 03:08 PM
Problem with the rumors you hear is that they tend to be true! ;)

blue32
November 15, 2012, 11:51 AM
After a lot of searching and even more waiting I decided to move forward since Cimarron would not fill my order. I got an Uberti/Taylor's 1873 Cattleman in 32-20, 5.5 bbl off gunbroker. It doesn't just shoot ragged holes, it shoots bullets in the same hole with my handloads. The sights are right on and it is the most accurate gun I own.

I went to El Paso Saddlery for the rig. The cartridge belt is the "Texas Belt," and the holster is the "#44 Outfit - holster only." Although I'm not into CAS, I do carry it small game hunting and its a blast. Thanks for the recommendations and advice.

TennJed
November 15, 2012, 05:16 PM
The U.S.F.A. is a much better gun than the Colt. I would take a USFA over a Colt any day.
If I am not mistaken, USFA is only producing a 45 colt chambering now.

CraigC
November 15, 2012, 11:47 PM
Right now USFA's future is uncertain.

PRM
November 16, 2012, 08:58 AM
The U.S.F.A. is a much better gun than the Colt. I would take a USFA over a Colt any day. - skeeziks

USFA's are great guns - but, we all have opinions. I've been shooting Colt SAAs and Bisleys for over 30 years. I'll stay with the original for investment and performance. They call them Colt clones for a reason.

CraigC
November 16, 2012, 10:33 AM
They call them Colt clones for a reason.
The only difference is that a company called Colt Industries has rights to the name, nothing more. Fact is, USFA has been building better guns at lower prices. Their Pre-War model is a more authentic reproduction of the original than any 3rd generation Colt. So you can buy a superior product without the famous name or an inferior product with it. As far as investments are concerned, only if you're buying 1st and 2nd generation guns. The 3rd's are like any other gun and USFA's hold their value very well.

PRM
November 16, 2012, 12:14 PM
The only difference is that a company called Colt Industries has rights to the name, nothing more. Fact is, USFA has been building better guns at lower prices. - CraigC

That's your opinion - I have mine. Upside, we both can buy what we like.

Oh, that little name thing... comes from being the parent company that invented it.

CraigC, you said yourself that USFA's future is uncertain. That alone would indicate to me what the better investment would be.

CraigC
November 16, 2012, 12:38 PM
It's more than just opinion. Details of fit, finish and quality are tangible and quantitative. I have NEVER seen a 3rd generation Colt SAA that exhibited the fit, finish and precise manufacturing evident in any USFA. All you have to do is take one apart. No roughness, no burrs, virtually no action work necessary. The best machining I have ever seen. Every Colt I've handled has needed an action job. Most 3rd generation guns are overpolished to the point that they cannot be salvaged. Dished out screw holes, rolled over edges, wallowed out lettering, etc.. Which is the reason why I own only one 3rd generation Colt. Which I spent several hours stoning on to improve its action. My USFA's needed only new springs. These are all quantifiable facts, not opinions. USFA is not the best because I own them. I own them because they are the best. I used to buy into the glamorized Colt nonsense. Then USFA came along and showed us what an SAA is supposed to be.

It's not as if there is a great gap in price. We're not talking about Uberti's and Rugers where many folks are blinded by the difference in price. Anyone who buys a USFA could just as easily buy a Colt. They don't and for a very good reason. Because USFA builds a better gun and some folks would rather buy a better sixgun than a famous name on a second rate, overpriced replica. There is also a very good reason why Colt has stepped up their game and started producing a good SAA over the last few years. That reason is US Firearms. The fact that Colt fanciers can't accept this reality is irrelevant.


CraigC, you said yourself that USFA's future is uncertain. That alone would indicate to me what the better investment would be.
You know better than that. Third generation Colt's have never been a good investment, despite lots of wishful thinking. They've been $1200 for as long as I can remember. At least $1200 nowadays gets you a good sixgun from Colt. If USFA goes out of the sixgun business, prices will skyrocket. I've already seen it.

PRM
November 16, 2012, 01:00 PM
What I do know is that the Colt SAA is a quality firearm. I currently own eight of them. Some 2nd and 3rd Generation guns. I have never had any issues with the Colt product or its Custom Shop after market work.

You obviously don't like Colt, so you want to trash them. All your opinion. There are a lot of others out there who prefer, like, shoot and collect the Colts.

You say your opinion is based on all quantifiable facts I or anyone else could just as easily state the same thing in the INTERNET, all unverifiable.

Are there lemons with every brand - you bet ya. But, I have never owned a Colt that fell in that category. However, unlike yourself, I will state that at one time I owned a USFA and it too was a great gun in all respects.

The OP started out asking about the Cimarron which is basically a Uberti. I also own three of them. For the price they are good guns. I have had all the of mine tweaked and they have made great shooters. If I wanted another "clone," I would invest in another Uberti. Fact is, I'm looking at a Uberti Schofield today.

Fingers
December 14, 2012, 10:29 PM
I just ordered a Cimarron 32-20 Old Model P from Buffalo Arms about 3 hours ago. I've wanted one for quite some time and didn't know if I'd ever find one. They have a lot of various Cimarrons in stock, but I bought the last one of these.

CraigC
December 14, 2012, 10:48 PM
You obviously don't like Colt, so you want to trash them.
Absolutely not. I just look at them objectively and objectively speaking, USFA's are simply better and that is my choice. I'm not enamored with the Colt name, it holds little magic for me in a new gun. I want the better sixgun that is more true to the original. I don't give a damn what name it wears. If they were branded Bozo Bob's Funky Dunky Sixgun Delight I would still buy them. If Colt made a better sixgun, I would buy Colt's. They do not, so I do not. It's really that simple.


I or anyone else could just as easily state the same thing in the INTERNET, all unverifiable.
Easily verifiable. All you have to do is take any 3rd generation Colt apart and any domestic USFA apart and compare the innards. Compare the fit and finish. Compare the precision of the machining. Like I said, not opinion, quantifiable fact. Aspect of quality are not subject to interpretation. Parts are either well made, well fitted and well finished or they are not. Polishing is either well done or it is not. This is not a matter of preference. There's not one side saying, "I like my screw holes dished out" and the other saying "I like my screw holes flat". There's the right way and there's the wrong way. Much of 3rd generation SAA production has been the wrong way. Or at least varying shades in between. Undeniable fact, ZERO 3rd generation Colt's have been produced with an authentic Pre-war finish and I know of none with a beveled cylinder. ZERO 3rd generation .45Colts have been produced with proper .452" throats.

Why did Colt deem it necessary to improve their guns in the last couple years if they're already so much better??? Because they weren't better. USFA has been building a better SAA and they know it.

Gordon
December 14, 2012, 10:55 PM
Easily verifiable. All you have to do is take any 3rd generation Colt apart and any domestic USFA apart and compare the innards. Compare the fit and finish. Compare the precision of the machining. Like I said, not opinion, quantifiable fact. Aspect of quality are not subject to interpretation. Parts are either well made, well fitted and well finished or they are not. Polishing is either well done or it is not. This is not a matter of preference. There's not one side saying, "I like my screw holes dished out" and the other saying "I like my screw holes flat". There's the right way and there's the wrong way. Much of 3rd generation SAA production has been the wrong way. Or at least varying shades in between. Undeniable fact, ZERO 3rd generation Colt's have been produced with an authentic Pre-war finish and I know of none with a beveled cylinder. ZERO 3rd generation .45Colts have been produced with proper .452" throats.

Well put Craig! :banghead: Sad but truth

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