Which fullsize 9mm?


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RonDeer10mm
July 23, 2012, 03:25 PM
I'm trying to choose one of these full size 9mms for home defense but I have no experience with any of them, but I'm leaning toward the M&P or Glock, more to the m&p, but I also want one that can handle +P+ with NO PROBLEM!!
Any advice would be appreciated. :)

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snakeman
July 23, 2012, 03:32 PM
personally i would favor the glock. That said I like the xds myself

tuj
July 23, 2012, 03:32 PM
Remember with +P+, you are going to have increased recoil, so a solid steel gun makes a lot of sense if you don't have issues with the increased weight.

2wheels
July 23, 2012, 03:36 PM
Shouldn't be too hard to find a gun range that rents both the G34 and the M&P9 nearby, they're pretty common guns. Between them, I'd say quality and reliability are essentially the same, it's up to what you shoot better.

I would argue that +P+ ammo isn't really needed these days, +P in 9mm should get you fast enough and if you need faster... Get a .357SIG. But both guns should be able to handle at least a limited amount of +P+ with no issue.

BTW, voted for the 1911 in .45ACP because... I can't not push that button if you give me the option.

RonDeer10mm
July 23, 2012, 03:37 PM
There's a poll now, it's my first poll :D LOL

joecil
July 23, 2012, 03:43 PM
Actually my first choice isn't on your list, either the Beretta 92 or even better the Taurus PT92. I have the PT92 with loading block from Beretta 92. I like the Taurus version of the 92 better due to the fact the safety is where I think it belongs but not as good a finish on the Taurus. Also the Taurus has a rail while the old Beretta I had for years didn't have other than that no real difference in the guns as far as shooting goes. Both are tack drivers.

RonDeer10mm
July 23, 2012, 03:45 PM
I prefer something that is polymer framed.

miles1
July 23, 2012, 03:52 PM
polymer: Springfield XD 9mm

metal: CZ 75B

jmr40
July 23, 2012, 04:22 PM
Glock, but I prefer the 17

MrDig
July 23, 2012, 04:40 PM
There are only three 9mm's worth owning. They are the Browning Hi-Power, and the Browning Hi-Power or the Browning Hi-Power. The rest on my list are all Copies of the Browning Hi-Power like the FEG PJK 9HP or the FM 90 or the Arcus you get the Idea.

el Godfather
July 23, 2012, 05:00 PM
H&K P30

From your list I would lean towards Phantom.

Shipwreck
July 23, 2012, 05:01 PM
Beretta 92 FTW! Or two!

http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g320/mistershipwreck/92FS-twins.jpg

chris in va
July 23, 2012, 05:07 PM
CZ 75b.

Travelair
July 23, 2012, 05:09 PM
Beretta 92fs. I owned one for years before downgrading to PX4-SC for easier summer time concealment. I've heard great things about the Highpoint, but I've never tried one. I know it's apples to oranges, but I love my Browning shotgun, and could easily see myself owning a Browning pistol. The quality is great.

Devonai
July 23, 2012, 05:16 PM
Beretta 92FS, but if you must have a polymer frame, I would take a hard look at the PX4.

C0untZer0
July 23, 2012, 05:30 PM
I own a G34 and it's been totally reliable, but I like the grip safety on the XD pistols.

I don't like flip up frame mounted safeties so no Berettas or 3rd gen Smiths.

My choice is the HK PSP or P7M8... but I don't expect people to rush out and buy them. I picked mine up in 1985 for $500.00

armoredman
July 23, 2012, 05:34 PM
I've fired four out of five on your list, (haven't seen a Shield yet), and hands down, FOR ME, the winner is,


http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b13/armoredman/CZ%20posters/CZbook4.jpg


http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b13/armoredman/CZ%20posters/PhantomSupernatural.jpg

Dreamliner787
July 23, 2012, 05:38 PM
P226.

wow6599
July 23, 2012, 05:39 PM
I have become a huge fan of the Walther PPQ.
The best 9 for the money, IMHO.

But, the magazines are insanely expensive - unless you get M.R. Baby Eagle mags......I hear they are the same design, work well and are about $20 cheaper.

YMMV

sammyscout
July 23, 2012, 06:01 PM
CZ for me; preferably a 75b in SS

bannockburn
July 23, 2012, 06:06 PM
Polymer frame- Glock 17

Alloy frame- SIG P229E2

Steel frame- Browning Hi-Power

Scrumbag
July 23, 2012, 06:15 PM
People, I'm disappointed! No one has yet mentioned the Sig P226 in 9mm!

Hellooooooooo!!!!!

Pick one up, fondle it, take it home. Be happy!:rolleyes:

easyg
July 23, 2012, 07:14 PM
Glock 17 or Ruger SR9.

Walking Dead
July 23, 2012, 07:42 PM
Sig 226

mokin
July 23, 2012, 08:16 PM
I got nothin' on either the list you provided or the recommendations above. All great pistols. For what it's worth, I'm such a Browning Hi Power fan I stopped carrying mine in favor of a Glock. Wouldn't want to lose the BHP.

MrDig
July 23, 2012, 08:35 PM
I got nothin' on either the list you provided or the recommendations above. All great pistols. For what it's worth, I'm such a Browning Hi Power fan I stopped carrying mine in favor of a Glock. Wouldn't want to lose the BHP.
Ditto, I started carrying a P-11 just because I don't want my BHP knocking around in a Police Evidence Locker if I am forced to us a Gun for SD/HD. My older brother was a LEO and he really like that logic too. If the P-11 gets locked up as evidence I'm out 250.00 if the BHP gets locked up I'm out damn near a grand to replace it.

GlackAttack
July 23, 2012, 09:27 PM
The CZ seems cool(trigger job out of the box), but Glocks point great for me. Also the CZ is about twice the price, I'd get 2 glocks over the 1 CZ. Shoot both and see how they point for you.
Here's my Glock 34 with A Viridian X5L laser/light, and the Glock 33 round magazine. A blast to shoot.
https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-zQ45n3e-EZU/UASAVfI1zWI/AAAAAAAAAC4/wIbCyAnuCgk/s692/2012-07-07+18.43.07.jpg

postalnut25
July 23, 2012, 10:29 PM
My duty pistol is a M&P9 Pro. Same as the M&P9 L. If its good enough to protect me on the streets, then its plenty good for home defense.

However, I would look at adding the Duty/Carry Action Enhancement Kit from Apex Tactical. The Reset Assist is also a welcome addition.

miles1
July 24, 2012, 12:35 AM
The CZ seems cool(trigger job out of the box), but Glocks point great for me. Also the CZ is about twice the price, I'd get 2 glocks over the 1 CZ. Shoot both and see how they point for you.
Here's my Glock 34 with A Viridian X5L laser/light, and the Glock 33 round magazine. A blast to shoot.
https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-zQ45n3e-EZU/UASAVfI1zWI/AAAAAAAAAC4/wIbCyAnuCgk/s692/2012-07-07+18.43.07.jpg
CZ's twice the price?

Please tell me where i can get a new glock for approx $240?I paid 479 for my CZ 75B NITB.

Pukindog12
July 24, 2012, 01:58 AM
Walther P99 AS or PPQ. Go fire one and you'll understand why. ;)

Coal Dragger
July 24, 2012, 02:57 AM
SIG P226.

If you have the scratch get the SIG X5 Tactical, 5" bbl, and higher magazine capacity. Plus it is unique.

YankeeFlyr
July 24, 2012, 03:14 AM
Beretta Model 92FS. Easily.

academy
July 24, 2012, 03:45 AM
Beretta 92FS. If it's going to live in a nightstand, you may as well get a heavier gun for better shooting. If you really want a light, laser, or pistol bayonet, Beretta even makes a couple of variants with rails.

You really should consider the full-size Walthers as well.

And with a handle like yours, I'd feel I'm being negligent if I didn't tell you to man up and buy yourself a 10mm, something like a S&W 1006 or 1076.

Dakotared
July 24, 2012, 08:59 AM
If polymer is what you want I would go with the CZ clone, the EAA witness,
http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=296771805

You can get the same gun with a steel frame
http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=297873123

Or if you do not like the EAA I would say go with the CZ

Creature
July 24, 2012, 09:01 AM
Sig P226.

http://remtek.com/arms/sig/model/226/226.gif

brnmuenchow
July 24, 2012, 09:14 AM
Sig Sauer P226.

ku4hx
July 24, 2012, 10:40 AM
Full size? Glock 17 or any other gun of similar dimensions your shooting style prefers.

Spawn91
July 24, 2012, 10:43 AM
Well I just bought my first 9mm... I chose the g17

WRGADog
July 24, 2012, 11:18 AM
at the XDM.

Skylerbone
July 24, 2012, 12:00 PM
The problem with a poll that allows an open response is that now you've got far more options than you're likely to ever try or see firsthand. Considering your intended purpose the first requirement is reliability and the second requirement is reliability. A pistol for home defense is a rather limited role, a five-step affair for me from nightstand to carbine and simply a last second option.

I've put thousands of rounds through each of my M&Ps including a 9L and have yet to experience any failures. No mechanical, ammo related, shooter related, weather related, lubricant related, none. They are reasonably priced, have been subjected to rigorous testing and most any accessory you desire (short of a 91 round magazine) is available.

I think any of them would serve your purpose, I feel a rail for mounting a light is a good thing and I truly believe any +P/+P+ ammo should be avoided from a reliability standpoint, not because it will blow your gun up but because cycling it faster than its intended design can induce a host of issues.

GlackAttack
July 24, 2012, 04:00 PM
Sorry, I was referring to the CZ in the poll, whivh retails for around $1100 I believe.

Ar180shooter
July 24, 2012, 04:02 PM
Glock 17 or P99AS. Both are great pistols for what they are designed for. Also, if you're a big guy like me, you could theoretically CCW with them.

ATLDave
July 24, 2012, 04:16 PM
I truly believe any +P/+P+ ammo should be avoided from a reliability standpoint, not because it will blow your gun up but because cycling it faster than its intended design can induce a host of issues.

??? What about guns that are designed from the beginning to handle +P (which has a SAAMI spec)? Heck, the standard NATO round is over 34,000 PSI, and is, therefore, +P. I'd go so far as to say that most modern, full-size 9mm pistols are specifically designed to shoot +P ammo. Most of them have an "intended design" that permits shooting both +P and standard-pressure ammo.

Okiegunner
July 24, 2012, 06:06 PM
Berretta 92 platform, or for something less expensive that appears to function 100%, Sig Pro.

mljdeckard
July 24, 2012, 06:14 PM
What is it you think +P+ will do that any other 9mm won't do?

If I wanted a hotter 9mm.....I would get a .357 Sig.

ATLDave
July 24, 2012, 06:40 PM
What is it you think +P+ will do that any other 9mm won't do?

What will +P+ do? Wear the heck out of a gun and probably blow it up. But I didn't say one word about +P+, if your comment was in response to mine. I referenced +P, which is a SAAMI-spec, and is what many full-size service guns are really designed around.

As for what it will do, the ballistics information is available. Whether you think the extra velocity, or extra weight without loss of velocity, is useful is up to you. I was responding to the claim that pistols encounter reliability problems with +P because it cycles the action faster than intended. I believe that to be false. (It would probably be true re: +P+.)

murphys_law
July 24, 2012, 07:01 PM
Sig pro. Mind has over 1k through it without so much as a hiccup. Whitebox, fmj, powrball,you name it. Not one single problem EVER.

ExTank
July 24, 2012, 07:08 PM
Walther P99AS or PPQ.

Skylerbone
July 24, 2012, 07:55 PM
Dave, I understand +P is a SAAMI spec. but I have yet to encounter a manufacturer who recommends a steady diet of it. I have faith the metallurgy can handle it but springs are another matter. Remember a Glock (for example) uses a fixed spring weight regardless of model and the slide's weight is modified as needed. The recoil spring must allow time extraction, ejection and the magazine spring to present a new cartridge. Better to stay within published specs. and I have yet to see a chamber marked 9mm +P.

Also agree with mljdeckard. If it don't do it for ya, there's something else that should.

armoredman
July 24, 2012, 11:38 PM
Glack, the only CZ SP-01 for $1100 might be the Czechpoint race gun - I've seen the Phantom going for under $500 before.

Friendly, Don't Fire!
July 24, 2012, 11:41 PM
Beretta 92FS
I once owned that gun, one of the ones I should have NEVER traded. Of course, I lost my shirt on the thing but did enjoy it for the several years I owned it :rolleyes: (probably between about three to five years). I am not sure if I have the model correct. The one I had was stainless. It was a beauty. If I had one now, all I would do is possibly a trigger and Tritium three-dot sights. That's it!

mljdeckard
July 24, 2012, 11:46 PM
Not you dave, the OP.

ATLDave
July 25, 2012, 09:22 AM
Dave, I understand +P is a SAAMI spec. but I have yet to encounter a manufacturer who recommends a steady diet of it.

Every pistol submitted for military contracts is designed to handle a steady diet of it. They don't shoot ANY non+P in the military, as the NATO round is a +P round. Pistols designed with the hope of winning military contracts are absolutely designed to have their actions cycled at +P speeds; it's the "standard" pressure rounds that the design has to accommodate

Better to stay within published specs.

Agreed. That's why I'd never recommend +P+ stuff; there's no standard, so you have no idea what the pressure is. Could be a billion PSI.

The recoil spring must allow time extraction, ejection and the magazine spring to present a new cartridge.

That's all true. And those challenges are present in the variations between non+P rounds as well. Almost any modern, full-size service pistol is designed to accommodate the 10% extra pressure of +P 9mm. Will it wear the springs faster? Probably a little. Will it present reliable functioning before the springs wear out? Not if the manufacturer did their job. A full size 9mm designed in the last 3-decades that won't reliably feed +P is an engineering failure, or out of spec.

ATLDave
July 25, 2012, 09:25 AM
Not you dave, the OP.

Gotcha. Never mind, then!

Pilot
July 25, 2012, 09:31 AM
If it is for home defense, why not the steel framed CZ SP-01?

missalot
July 25, 2012, 10:39 AM
Full size -> G34

Onmilo
July 25, 2012, 11:04 AM
I own a bunch of 9mm full size handguns. If limited to just one it would be the H&K USP
http://www.fototime.com/5B93D5FA609A64A/standard.jpg

momano
July 25, 2012, 11:40 AM
I voted S&W M&P. I prefer it over my Glock because of the ergonomics for my hand. They are all excellent guns, IMHO. Good Luck!

vaherder
July 25, 2012, 11:48 AM
Friends own or shoot Glocks. Another vote for Walther P99AS or PPQ. I also a have a P226 but is has been safe for years.

marb4
July 25, 2012, 11:51 AM
I have a number of 9mms but one that I recently aquired that is quickly becoming my favorite is the Beretta PX4 Storm. It is one of the smoothest shooting autoloading pistols I have ever handled. It has noticably less felt recoil than other similar sized 9s. After nearly 1000 rounds (using just about every type of ammo out there) I have had zero malfunctiones of any kind (knock on wood). Worth adding to your list of consideration.

Lastmaninzombiewar
July 25, 2012, 12:11 PM
People, I'm disappointed! No one has yet mentioned the Sig P226 in 9mm!

Hellooooooooo!!!!!

Pick one up, fondle it, take it home. Be happy!:rolleyes:

Amen to that brother. The only hand gun that replaced my beloved Glock 17. But both are fine handguns .


http://lastmaninzombiewar.wordpress.com

TonyT
July 25, 2012, 12:17 PM
Glock's, S&W M&P's, CZ's and SA XDM's are are very reliable firearms. I would urge you to choose between them on the basis or ergonomics - see which one fits your hand the best. I shoot a G-17, S&W M&:P. S&W99, Sig 226 and CZ-75. For home defense or concealed carry I would opt for a semi auto without an external hammer or any external safeties thus my preference for either of the S&W's mentioned or the Glock.

Robbins290
July 25, 2012, 08:01 PM
+1 for sig p226.
good choice walking dead

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