Do you confidently load 10 +1 in your M&P?


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FireInCairo
July 24, 2012, 11:51 AM
I understand the trigger safety is very effective. Do people feel confident in loading the extra round for carry? Or is this a poor safety choice?

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Claude Clay
July 24, 2012, 11:52 AM
once you have chambered a round, how does the number left in the magazine affect the safety of the one thats chambered?

Kleanbore
July 24, 2012, 11:57 AM
Posted by FireInCairo: I understand the trigger safety is very effective. Do people feel confident in loading the extra round for carry? Or is this a poor safety choice?Is your question whether to carry a round in the chamber?

My M&P 9c has a frame mounted safety. So does my new Ruger SR9c. I know that some others disagree, but I do not like carrying a semi-auto that does not have a manual safety.

I do not carry with an empty chamber.

Skribs
July 24, 2012, 11:58 AM
Or is this a question about having one in the chamber as opposed to leaving the 10 in the magazine?

Both questions (whether to carry one in the chamber and whether to top off the magazine) have been asked a lot here.

Chamber Loaded is going to give you a significantly faster draw, especially if you have to draw one-handed (if you are attacked, it is very likely you will be using one hand to create a barrier between yourself and the assailant). I've had the chamber loaded in my XDm for years now (except when at slide lock or breaking it down) and have never had any issues. Keep it in a good holster (kydex or leather) and keep your finger outside the trigger guard, and you'll be fine. If you're worried about it, carry cocked and empty for a few days and then see if it's still cocked (chamber check, then dry fire). That should help convince you its safe.

The other, whether or not to top off, is really a personal choice. I personally like having a spot to put the round in the chamber should I need to clear my pistol. Most people like the extra round. I'm leaning toward adding that extra round.

forindooruseonly
July 24, 2012, 11:59 AM
I think most people load one in the chamber when carrying concealed. The first safety, of course, is you. If you're responsible with the gun, the trigger safety is effective. A carry holster - for that specific gun - is necessary when carrying because it covers the trigger and prevents anything from tugging on it.

You don't want to get into a situation where you need the gun and have to slingshot the slide before you can get into action. Under pressure, you might forget, fumble, or even jam it up, leaving you high and dry.

If you just stuff it in a pocket with a set of keys, coins and a cell phone, all bets are off. Carry it properly and you won't have an issue.

stantheman1976
July 24, 2012, 07:44 PM
Any modern pistol in a decent holster with the trigger covered should be perfectly safe to carry chambered. How many tens of thousands of cops and military police do you think carry in this condition daily? If it's good enough for them it's good enough for me. Use your head and keep your finger off the trigger until the second you're ready to fire and there is no issue.

FireInCairo
July 24, 2012, 11:39 PM
Thanks, everyone, that helps a lot.

Kayaker 1960
July 25, 2012, 12:00 AM
My M&P40c does not have a slide mounted safety, it is just like my Glock in that way. If it is in the holster the trigger can not be pulled. Should I need it in a hurry, under stress I won't forget to flip the safety off. Biggest thing to remember is to not have my finger on the trigger when re-holstering.
A good quality, proper fitting holster is worth the money.

ATLDave
July 25, 2012, 09:27 AM
My M&P 9c has a frame mounted safety. So does my new Ruger SR9c. I know that some others disagree, but I do not like carrying a semi-auto that does not have a manual safety.

That's my view, too. I was beginning to think I was the only one left! :)

ritepath
July 25, 2012, 04:31 PM
I do 12+1 or 17+1....have faith, use a proper holster.

FireInCairo
July 26, 2012, 11:00 PM
I bought the gun used with three very nice holsters: Galco leather iwb, Desantis leather owb, and an unknown make of kydex owb. All fit really well, but I'm partial to the kydex.

Skribs
July 26, 2012, 11:43 PM
When I get my M&P compact it's going into a Desantis Nemesis.

Kleanbore
July 26, 2012, 11:59 PM
Posted by stantheman1976: Any modern pistol in a decent holster with the trigger covered should be perfectly safe to carry chambered. How many tens of thousands of cops and military police do you think carry in this condition daily? If it's good enough for them it's good enough for me. Use your head and keep your finger off the trigger until the second you're ready to fire and there is no issue.Not to argue, but MPs reportedly do not routinely carry with a loaded chamber.

My issue is the chance of a shirt-tail snagging on the trigger when holstering. I carry with a loaded chamber, but not without a safety.

checkmyswag
July 27, 2012, 12:56 AM
Carry it topped off, in a proper holster with the safety on and you'll be golden so long as you train with it.

Skribs
July 27, 2012, 11:58 AM
KB, my holstering method involves keeping the shirt well clear of the holster. But that's the first good argument I've read for a manual safety on a striker-fired pistol.

Kleanbore
July 27, 2012, 03:45 PM
Posted by Skribs: KB, my holstering method involves keeping the shirt well clear of the holster. But that's the first good argument I've read for a manual safety on a striker-fired pistol.Nice objective, but one cannot always be assured of doing that when re-holstering one-handed.

There's another argument--the risk of someone else pulling the trigger. The local country police did some tests and found that people who gained acess to their backup-firearms had a lot more difficulty with a compact SA .45 cocked and locked than with LCP backups and the like. And then there's the issue of accidents.

Skribs
July 27, 2012, 04:20 PM
Nice objective, but one cannot always be assured of doing that when re-holstering one-handed.

True. My focus is more on a simple MOA. I am a firm believer in KISS, so long as safety isn't hindered. Even one-handed, my holstering stroke is fairly secure. But I do see your point.

Considering my handgun stays on me until it is locked in the safe, I'm not worried about someone else pulling the trigger.

Grunt
July 27, 2012, 05:26 PM
Not to argue, but MPs reportedly do not routinely carry with a loaded chamber.

My issue is the chance of a shirt-tail snagging on the trigger when holstering. I carry with a loaded chamber, but not without a safety.

Sorry, wrong on that one. In the Marines when I was on barracks duty during the late 80s, we carried a round in the chamber and a 15 round magazine in the weapon with the safety on when it came to the M9. Later when I became an Air Force cop (CATM instructor really but we still have to wear the funny hats:barf: ) we carry our M9s with a round in the chamber, 14 rounds in the magazine and the safety off. I won't vouch for that the army meat heads do there. Now when I was in the Corps, we were in that transition time when the .45 was phasing out and the M9 was coming in. With a .45, we carried them with a full magazine and empty chamber mainly due to the possibility of discharging a round in the chamber if dropped. The 1911 didn't have any kind of firing pin block back then so that was the reason there.

Skribs
July 30, 2012, 03:11 PM
I actually was thinking about your comment, KB, and whether or not I should change my philosophy to include a manual safety. Then I remembered I'm moving towards pocket carry, where 1-handed holstering is much simpler and the shirt is a significantly smaller risk.

Kleanbore
July 30, 2012, 03:26 PM
My MP comment was based on 1911 days.

Skribs
July 30, 2012, 03:52 PM
I was talking about your comment regarding a manual safety and the shirt getting tucked into the trigger guard during one-handed reholstering.

Kleanbore
July 30, 2012, 04:38 PM
Posted by Skribs: I was talking about your comment regarding a manual safety and the shirt getting tucked into the trigger guard during one-handed reholstering.I was referring to Grunt's comments about MP's with M9 pistols. A shirttail or T-shirt is just one thing that can interfere with a trigger. Damaged or faulty holsters can do it.

And regardless of our best intentions, others, innocents or not, can end up handling the pistol under some unforeseen circumstance or other.

I see where S&W will not retrofit the new M&P trigger into a firearm without a manual safety.

To each his own, but I will not carry a semi-auto without one.

By the way, the SR9c safety has a more positive detent than that of the M&P.

Skribs
July 30, 2012, 04:48 PM
I see where S&W will not retrofit the new M&P trigger into a firearm with a manual safety.

Interesting, considering their shield ONLY comes with a manual safety. I would hate to be in their board meetings.

Kleanbore
July 30, 2012, 04:56 PM
Typo corrected

Skribs
July 30, 2012, 05:14 PM
Oh...well I guess that makes my irony very bland...

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