[clange]

If you guessed the P32, you're wrong. Ruger MKII? Wrong. The beretta developed a nasty failure to feed towards the end. First of all (and i should probably be shot for this) i shot all three guns like 6 months ago (like 100 rounds in each) and didnt get a chance to clean them. I was rewarded for this travesty by a couple spots of minor rust on the ruger. :(

I brought them down to school to clean, and stopped off to shoot a bit on the way. I guess its possible it didnt have enough grease/oil but i would have expected the others to fail first (they've done so before, but they werent broken in). Plus the first 120 or so rounds went fine. It did it with two mags and with two lots of winchester white box. All i had left were 10 hollow points, they fired fine. The slide was apparently not grabbing the next round correctly. The rounds ended up nosed up into the chamber, with the slide past the rim, pressing agaisnt the side of the case.

I plan to clean it good and go shoot it again. I'm sure you'd all say thats pretty much all there is to do at this point. Anyone have similar problems though?

[Sven]

I guess I guess right, actually. Make sure to clean your magazines if you haven't in a while. Fixed some feeding problems in my 1911 - not sure if that transfers, but hey, it's worth a look.

[Marshall]

Dat's a bummer clang!

Dad always taught me to clean my guns after hunting or shooting, at 45yrs old I am still in that habit.

;)

[clange]

Yeah i know. :o I had to go to school right away and havent been up there much. Every time i thought about it i was an hour and a half away.

[rbernie]

You might wanna drop the baseplate on the magazines and given them a good cleaning, too. It's something that doesn't get done very often and seems to be implicated in a fair number of FTF issues....

[Logistar]

Sounds like what happened to me except that mine seemed to be mags with feed lips that had spread SLIGHTLY. Front of the cartridge would pop up as it fed.

Never happened on my factory Beretta mags but did on 2 of the 3 Asian Military mags. - You know... the ones I put the STRONG Wolf +10 springs in.

Maybe I now know why those mags came with "weak" springs!

Logistar

[Shootcraps]

I can't see a Beretta 92fs developing a FTF from being a little dirty. I would suspect an actual mechanical problem.

[Tropical Z]

I knew that one right away.

[Baron Holbach4]

Over 1,000 rounds through my 92FS -- all cycled perfectly. I tend to shoot 200 rounds through each gun whenever I am at the range. Afterwards, I always clean the gun the same day I shoot.

[clange]

I can't see a Beretta 92fs developing a FTF from being a little dirty. I would suspect an actual mechanical problem.
Thats what i'm thinking as well.

Both mags are factory beretta. The 15 round i got off ebay. The 10 round one came with the gun. Both have been full as long as i've had them. Could weak springs cause it?

[No4Mk1*]

You provided good detail of what is happening. Possible problems:

1. Rounds are not traveling up the magazine body well.
This could be due to a dirty magazine (internally) or weak spring. Be sure you are indeed using mags marked PB made in USA/Italy.

2. The slide is not traveling far enough to the rear. This could be caused by weak ammo. (Unlikely with 2 lots of WWB) It could be caused by a too powerful recoil or hammer spring, but I doubt it. It could also be caused by increased friction on the slide rails. They are oiled, right? Another possible cause for failure of the slide to travel far enough to the rear is weakly gripping the pistol or relaxing the wrist too much. This is because the slide must recoil against the mass of the frame and your hand/wrist actually adds to the mass of the frame, helping the slide recoil against the frame. This is a common cause of malfunctions in guns with light frames, but not the 92FS.

My 92FS will chamber rounds from the magazine even if I allow the slide to travel forward very slowly while holding it back. Will your 92FS jam if you do this? IF so the problem is not ammo or magazine related. IF yours jams while slowly allowing the slide to close the problem is either in the recoil spring, or slide rail friction. The rounds will completely chamber only with the safety off, not on, so do this safely and obey all 4 rules.

[clange]

You provided good detail of what is happening. Possible problems:

1. Rounds are not traveling up the magazine body well.
This could be due to a dirty magazine (internally) or weak spring. Be sure you are indeed using mags marked PB made in USA/Italy.
They are indeed factory. Like i said though, they have been loaded pretty much continuously when i'm not shooting. I know this would weaken them a bit but is it enough to cause this problem?

2. The slide is not traveling far enough to the rear. This could be caused by weak ammo. (Unlikely with 2 lots of WWB) It could be caused by a too powerful recoil or hammer spring, but I doubt it. It could also be caused by increased friction on the slide rails. They are oiled, right?
They were. Like i said it sat around for awhile so its probably a bit dry. Feels smooth hand cycling though.

Another possible cause for failure of the slide to travel far enough to the rear is weakly gripping the pistol or relaxing the wrist too much. This is because the slide must recoil against the mass of the frame and your hand/wrist actually adds to the mass of the frame, helping the slide recoil against the frame. This is a common cause of malfunctions in guns with light frames, but not the 92FS.
This was my first thought when it happened cause i was just messing around, holding it lightly with one hand. Afterwards i gripped it hard and it still happened.

My 92FS will chamber rounds from the magazine even if I allow the slide to travel forward very slowly while holding it back. Will your 92FS jam if you do this? IF so the problem is not ammo or magazine related. IF yours jams while slowly allowing the slide to close the problem is either in the recoil spring, or slide rail friction. The rounds will completely chamber only with the safety off, not on, so do this safely and obey all 4 rules.


Everything is fine when i hand cycle it, even very slowly. Mine will chamber when the safety is on but it needs a bit of pressure/speed to decock.

[No4Mk1*]

One more thing: Check the locking lugs for cracks as delayed unlocking might produce short recoil.

I would go ahead and replace magazine springs to see if that cures the problem. The 92FS should work a little dirty, dry and limpwristing anyways.
Gunsprings.com is an excellent place for springs. I would get 3 mag springs as well as a few assorted extras for possible future repairs: A trigger return spring and maybe a trigger bar spring and recoil spring(s). I bought 3 mag springs and one of everything else to have replacements if needed. I would get the +5% power mag spring and all others standard. I would keep the mags loaded even if the springs prove to be the culprit. Maybe a previous owner of the magazines traded the new factory springs for used or aftermarket springs so he could have better springs. Were you the original owner of the mags? Change the recoil spring every few thousand rounds.

[clange]

Original owner of the 10 rounder. Locking block is fine. Theres some decent wear on the bottom of the slide, where the locking block lugs first contact. Thats probably normal though?

Another thing that is probably unrelated, but annoying (only in that it will eventually look bad) is that the slide is contacting the barrel when it moves back. There is some wear showing up on the barrel behind the front sight.

[artherd]

Another thing that is probably unrelated, but annoying (only in that it will eventually look bad) is that the slide is contacting the barrel when it moves back. There is some wear showing up on the barrel behind the front sight.

In a 92? That seems double-plus-ungood.

[clange]

Really? I figured it was normal. Like if the slide is back about an inch should the barrel move much? Mine moves enough to contact the part of the of the slide, where the front sight is.

I'll try to get some pics.

[clange]

Some pictures of whatever wear i saw..

http://thehighroad.org/attachment.php?s=&postid=823700

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[clange]

Well i cleaned it really well, and finally got a chance to go shoot it today. Put 150 rounds of WWB through it. Used both mags again. Didnt have any problems. I didnt think dirt/dryness would be the cause but i guess it was. Learned my lesson. :o Still wondering if the slight wear on the barrel is normal though, no one ever replied about that..

[MP-5]

Normal yes but try to lube those areas with a good lube. Breakfree works fine but then I said a good Lube!:p

[SodaPop]

First time I saw a Beretta malfunction was a NIB Inox one. The guy just picked it up at a shop and the darn thing wouldn't cycle 2 rounds without jamming. One of the guys I was shooting with asked the other guy if he cleaned/lubed the gun. He broke out a tube of CLP and the gun worked flawlessly after that.

Gotta lube your firearms if you want them to function.

My Beretta has over 16,000rds threw it and it has less wear than some that have only a few thousand rounds threw them. I always clean my guns, not just to keep them functioning properly, but also to make them last longer.

[dsk]

Finish wear on the barrel behind the front sight is normal on a 92. Every used 92 Beretta/Taurus I've ever seen has it.