P30L vs. 92A1


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tarosean
July 24, 2012, 07:29 PM
Okay my wife and I were gun shopping today she REALLY liked the P30L. Her only reference for recoil is my only 9mm the 92 (I prefer 45's). She dislikes her 38spl revolver.
I personally don't notice the recoil on the beretta, but she complains about it. So my question is which one feels like it has more or less recoil?

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Shipwreck
July 24, 2012, 09:12 PM
The metal frame will soak up more than the polymer - physics...

And here - Let me hypnotize ya with some Beretta splendor :rolleyes:

http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g320/mistershipwreck/92A1-twins2.jpg

tarosean
July 24, 2012, 09:42 PM
^ no need to hypnotize me.. There is a reason the 92 remains my only 9. After an array of 9's and trade from the FS for the A1. I love it.

I may have to pick the HK up for me, errrrr, I mean her anyhow..

Jed Carter
July 24, 2012, 09:48 PM
Muzzle rise (flip) and felt recoil (shock) are not the same thing, personally I find the muzzle rise, gun control generally better in a 5" 9mm than a 4.5 " pistol but felt shock may be less in the polymer frame pistol. Why? Shock, felt recoil is like a sound wave it travels faster in a more dense material, but generally the heavier the pistol, less recoil is felt, but polymer does have a dampening effect. That could explain why the small Glock G19 shoots and feels like a much larger and heavier pistol... hmmm this makes it clear as mud as to which has less felt recoil Beretta or H&K P30l. She would have to try both, personally I like the Beretta, except it's backward slide mounted safety. I would also have her try a 1911 chambered in 9mm with an all steel frame and slide. For less than either of the current choices, the Taurus Pt1911 9mm is an incredible shooter, with all the same features and a better trigger than 1911's 3 times it's price. My smoothest shooting most accurate 1911, is an STI 1911 in 9mm. If I had to make a choice between the H&K and the Beretta, and could not try each before buying, then the Beretta has cheaper magazines, and you can actually find a holster to fit the 92 at most gunshops. H&K nice stuff, good pistol the P30 but magazines start at around $49,and a holster made to fit is harder to find.

Grunt
July 24, 2012, 11:24 PM
And this is the other side of the M9/Model 92FS coin:

http://i137.photobucket.com/albums/q236/USMCGruntUSAFCATM/Firearms/mil/iphonepics380.jpg

This was in the armory at my last base. The one yellow tagged pistol in the top rack was a repair job for a different organization but the rest of them are ours. Notice the red and green tags? The red tags signify "return to depot" as they are not repairable. The green tags signify "item repairable" and we should be able to repair them. Problem was we ran out of red tags and started using whatever we had on hand. Most of them read the same thing, "broken reciever" or "chunks of receiver rail missing" and a few "cracked dustcover on receiver". Eventually, fatigue and synicism took over and tags like "*** do you think is wrong with this POS?" and "Scratched muffler bearings" took over but nobody gave a damn since they were going to be retagged correctly before shipping back to depot. Those M9s are a little over 2 years old in this picture. I know this because I checked them in when we first recieved them, PCS'd to a new base, returned 2 years later and before I left again, out of 120 brand new M9s I checked in, over half of them were tagged with broken recievers or had been returned to depot when I left. We didn't even bother to tag broken locking blocks since it happened so often (yes, they were the newer style BTW) that we would replace them on the spot, sometimes even in the classroom while the class was going on. I know the question about what was fired and how many rounds went through them is going to be asked and the standard M882 ammo was used. As far as numbers, I'm not going to bother with the math since I don't really care but we are looking at 120 pistols rotated through classes no larger than 35 shooters firing 90 rounds per shooter about 1 M9 class per week over that 2 year time frame. You figure the round count out.

Auto426
July 24, 2012, 11:33 PM
Simple physics says that if you use the same 9mm load in two different guns, the heaviest of the two will have the least recoil. However, its almost never that simple. How a gun fit's a persons hand, how it distributes it's weight, and the type of grips used on the gun can make for a difference in felt recoil.

NG VI
July 24, 2012, 11:54 PM
The recoil assembly and the design of the lockup make a big difference too.

Unless H&K made some serious steps backwards since my 1996 USP .40, the P30 should be a superbly light recoiler in 9mm, and with an easy to rack slide as well.

Walking Dead
July 25, 2012, 04:32 PM
Why not try the Beretta PX4 storm? It recoils pretty light. Could be because of the rotating barrel design.

Shipwreck
July 25, 2012, 04:37 PM
I just sold a PX4 a week or two ago. A few months ago, I shot the PX4 and a 92FS on the same range trip. The recoil was just slightly, slightly less on the Beretta 92 than on the PX4.

tarosean
July 25, 2012, 05:13 PM
She didn't like the PX4, nor any of Sigs compacts. Basically the P30 and a LCP were the only ones she liked.

I was just trying to give her a frame of reference vs. the 92 which she has shot quite a bit.

NG VI
July 25, 2012, 07:43 PM
Just be aware (both of you) that there is more going on than just the weight of the gun as far as recoil goes.

tarosean
July 25, 2012, 10:32 PM
^ hence why I was hoping to get an opinion from someone who has shot both.

cjl8651
July 26, 2012, 04:49 AM
I've fired both. The Beretta felt like it had slightly less recoil. That being said, the P30L didn't have that much felt recoil to begin with, not to mention the P30L felt much better in hand than the Beretta. Keep in mind that recoil is so subjective. The P30L is going to be my next purchase.

skt239
July 26, 2012, 06:02 AM
IMO the P30L has very little recoil and is easy to shoot... You should also have her look at the Wather PPQ.

scythefwd
July 26, 2012, 11:03 AM
the beretta is negligable recoil, and it can be softened up with a heavier recoil spring.

That said, there are different properties of recoil. I can tell the difference between two guns that have the same weight but differnt weight slides. The lighter the slide, the more snappy the recoil will feel. It will attempt to turn your wrist more, the overall weight does effect how much raise you get off the gun though, and the 92 is definitely nice in that category.

The beretta is not the lightest recoiling 9mm out there.. by any close measure.

SkylineUSA
July 26, 2012, 12:24 PM
I have a P30 (not L) and I've shot my bro's 92FS INOX. I think the 92 has less felt recoil and is more comfortable to shoot in that regard. Although I prefer the P30, the 92 is a nice pistol.

(Most folks have said the P30 and P30L are indistinguishable in felt recoil.)

Shipwreck
July 26, 2012, 12:46 PM
The beretta is not the lightest recoiling 9mm out there.. by any close measure.

THIS was the lowest recoiling 9mm I'd ever shot. 1/2 way inbetween 9mm and 22. I sold it last year - it weighed over 50 oz empty

http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g320/mistershipwreck/Operator-red2.jpg

scythefwd
July 26, 2012, 10:18 PM
ship. the lightest I've fired was a jerico, second was a BHP.. but I've never fired a 9mm 1911.

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