Which 10MM Semi Auto Should I buy?


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hAkron
July 25, 2012, 08:20 PM
(this is my first poll, so I'm sure I'll mess it up)

I have decided to add 10MM to my caliber list. I've already ordered the reloading components, so the time has come to make the decision. I am planning to also move into 38 Super sometime soon as well, so I will likely get a 10MM Witness and buy a 38 Super conversion kit at some point. I would like to know everybody's opinion, but I will probably stick with the Witness regardless of the outcome.

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Deaf Smith
July 25, 2012, 08:41 PM
Why .38 Super.. Just get a 9x25 Dillon barrel. It's a necked down 10mm. Doubletap makes ammo. 125gr at almost 2000 fps is a bit more than any .38 Super!

Oh, and I have a Glock 20 in 10mm.

Deaf

mr.trooper
July 25, 2012, 08:46 PM
The Tanfoglios are notorious for mag issues, and the 1911s are all low production guns with widely different tuning.

IMO the Glock and the S&W are the only platforms with long-term viability, the Glock probably has the edge due to being current production.

hAkron
July 25, 2012, 08:55 PM
Some other things I should mention:

No matter which 10MM I get, if I like it enough, I will surely get others. I currently have a Glock 17 which is my nightstand gun and I think it's great, but I'm not sure I can get excited about getting another Glock right now.

Deaf Smith - 9x25 Dillon could surely be in my future plans. I am a big fan of things in and around the 38 caliber range. A Glock would be well suited to this task as I assume it's just a drop in barrel...

mr.trooper - Does MecGar make mags for the Tanfoglio (as they do for the CZ) that I could use instead? I know the Tanfoglios are not without their issues...among the one's I'm aware of (maybe some of these have been corrected) - Poor customer service, A life time warranty that it snatched away for arbitrary reasons, frame cracking (I think that one is resolved), but they also make have somewhat of a following with the racegun set, at least with their higher end models.

samurai
July 25, 2012, 09:07 PM
Just joined the 10mm club with a Glock 20 gen4.

IdahoSkies
July 25, 2012, 09:43 PM
I have a witness in 9mm and considered getting a 10mm slide for it (but I found out that there are two witness frames and the 10mm slide didn't fit mine). I went with the Glock 29sf. I love it. The 29 fits my hand better than the 20, and the polymer frame really tames the heavy 10mm loads. (I use buffalo bore JHC, its my hiking gun). It can also accepted the larger mags from the 20, so If I want 15+ I can, in an easy package.

I have never regretted buying it. (Its the only pistol I bought new and it was well worth the money).

saturno_v
July 25, 2012, 09:47 PM
The only 10mm Auto I would trust in the long run with full power loads are the S&W and the Glock 20....I'm not a fan of Glock (or any striker fired polymer pistol) and the poligonal rifling of the Glock can be a problem with hard cast bullets (yes you can change the barrel though...)


That said, it leaves the S&W...I did buy a 1006 and I did never look back...

fatcat4620
July 25, 2012, 09:51 PM
If you already have a G17 then the G20 is will be the best choice. Everything you know about your G17 you will know about your new 10mm glock

mr.10mm
July 25, 2012, 10:24 PM
I have found that hand size plays an important role in finding a 10mm. I have medium sized hands (at least according to Mechanics Gloves) and the double stack 10mm's are too large for my hand (haven't tried the Glock 20 Gen4 yet). I do not have this problem with the smaller framed Glocks such as the 17.

So for me, a 1911 frame worked the best. I have installed a Sprinco recoil reducer (the short version) on both of my 1911's in 10mm (a Delta and a Dan Wesson). My daily CCW gun is the Delta. That said, I'd love a Glock 20 if it fit my hand better as an outdoors gun.

The 10mm is a great cartridge for handloading!

Good luck!

PabloJ
July 25, 2012, 10:40 PM
I have found that hand size plays an important role in finding a 10mm. I have medium sized hands (at least according to Mechanics Gloves) and the double stack 10mm's are too large for my hand (haven't tried the Glock 20 Gen4 yet). I do not have this problem with the smaller framed Glocks such as the 17.

So for me, a 1911 frame worked the best. I have installed a Sprinco recoil reducer (the short version) on both of my 1911's in 10mm (a Delta and a Dan Wesson). My daily CCW gun is the Delta. That said, I'd love a Glock 20 if it fit my hand better as an outdoors gun.

The 10mm is a great cartridge for handloading!

Good luck!
Glock with Short Frame (marked SF) works fine for those with medium sized hands.

intercooler
July 25, 2012, 10:42 PM
I have two EAA 10's so that is saying something. Also have a 10mm Razorback and all are exceptional. Never cared for Glocks.

jmr40
July 25, 2012, 10:42 PM
Smith or Glock are the only 2 realistic options and Smiths are getting hard to find and expensive.

The Glock is the lightest, has the least felt recoil, the most mag capacity, and will shoot right with any of the others accuracy wise. The Glock and Smith are the only 2 platforms proven reliable in 10mm. Some 1911's work fine, others not so much.

420Stainless
July 25, 2012, 10:47 PM
I didn't vote since I've only shot one of the choices (the new production Delta Elite that I own). I like, and very much recommend the Delta, but know not how it compares with the others.

olderguns
July 25, 2012, 11:22 PM
I voted for the glock29 mine runs perfect with all ammo,
Plus I have the 40S&W, 357sig, And the 9x25dillon barrels.
which makes it a very versetile weapon only thing beware the 9x25 is very LOUD....

Dakotared
July 25, 2012, 11:24 PM
The witness all the way. The ones you will here dog it are the ones that have never actually shot it. They will just tell you I herd this or I herd that. It is a great gun and I will be getting more. Just last night I missed out on a witness .45 with a .22 conversion for under $500 new :banghead:

tarosean
July 25, 2012, 11:34 PM
I won't vote because the only one on my wish list is the Delta Elite. Only one I have experience with is a S&W.

hAkron
July 25, 2012, 11:41 PM
The witness all the way. The ones you will here dog it are the ones that have never actually shot it. They will just tell you I herd this or I herd that. It is a great gun and I will be getting more. Just last night I missed out on a witness .45 with a .22 conversion for under $500 new :banghead:

Which Witness? Should I get?? The Match, full size, or compact? I'm not so much, at least for this purchase, interested in the Elite, or the polymer, MAYBE the K2 Turkish Sarsilmaz.

Also, I think the one I saw at my LGS is used, I know that kills the warranty, but if I can get the thing for $350, then it's a done deal. If I end up buying new it will probably be a toss up between the match and the compact.

Will CZ 75 grips generally fit the larger Witness frame? I'm no fn of the stock Witness grips

intercooler
July 25, 2012, 11:49 PM
The K2 is only available in .45ACP. The Match is really the best option.

Deaf Smith
July 25, 2012, 11:58 PM
Deaf Smith - 9x25 Dillon could surely be in my future plans. I am a big fan of things in and around the 38 caliber range. A Glock would be well suited to this task as I assume it's just a drop in barrel....

Yes it is a drop in barrel solution!

Nice thing is the drop in barrel is stainless so you can identify which round to stick in the mags (10mm mags work for both rounds just fine, like the .40&W and .357 Sig.)

Deaf

hAkron
July 26, 2012, 12:15 AM
Yes it is a drop in barrel solution!

Nice thing is the drop in barrel is stainless so you can identify which round to stick in the mags

Deaf

That's a bonus for me! Ask me about the time I inadvertantly left the .40 barrel in my P229 and tried to shoot 357 Sig out of it :banghead:

Swing
July 26, 2012, 12:17 AM
I'd be down with the 1911, but all those listed are solid pieces.

C0untZer0
July 26, 2012, 01:22 AM
Witness Hunter - big beefy massive pistol which makes the 10mm manageable. Long barrel and long sight radius... accurate and good for hunting.

Dakotared
July 26, 2012, 01:32 AM
I have the plain old witness steel full size in wonderfinish. I love it! getting close to 1000 rounds down it now and I have had no problems with it at all. I got it new for just over $400 about 3 months ago. So $350 used with no warranty is not that good of a deal IMO. The one thing I do do with it though is up the spring to a 20lb as it comes with a 14-16 lb spring and that is to light IMO. The spring was like $10. I also carry it for CCW, finding a holster that I like for it was a pain but they are out there.

ku4hx
July 26, 2012, 08:50 AM
I own both a Gen2 Glock 20 and a Smith 1006. The G20 is my favorite for several reasons, but not by much. Mainly I favor the 20 over the 1006 because it's a current production model.

Both the G20 and the 1006 are more than adequate to handled even the most potent ammunition both safe max level hand loads and the more powerful factory stuff such as Buffalo Bore.

Given I've owned these guns since the early '90s, I've put thousands of rounds through each with about 2,000 rounds per year each being about average. Both guns are still in excellent condition and still shoot wonderfully well.

ATLDave
July 26, 2012, 10:57 AM
The Tanfoglios are notorious for mag issues...

They were. They changed the design and the manufacturer (I believe they are now all made by MecGar) and the mag issues have generally been resolved. I've got 4 mags, including one with a Gram (sp?) follower that doesn't have anti-tilt legs, and they all run very reliably.

The bigger issue I encountered was finding the correct weight of recoil spring for my 10mm Match. It'll some with a 12- or 14-pounder (can't recall which), just like the 9mm; brass will achieve geosynchronous orbit, and the slide and frame will violently collide at the end of the stroke. I went to a 20lb spring, but occasionally got jams. Dropped to an 18lb spring and have hundreds of rounds through mine without a problem since.

Also, if you get an adjustable sight model (particularly the model of rear sight found on the Match), I would advise using loctite on the windage adjustment screw; it's notorious for slipping/stripping under recoil, which disassembles the entire rear sight and loses a tiny spring and screw.

http://www.henningshootsguns.com/ is THE place to go to trick out/improve your Tang'y, if that's what you end up getting.

ATLDave
July 26, 2012, 11:08 AM
Which Witness? Should I get?? The Match, full size, or compact? I'm not so much, at least for this purchase, interested in the Elite...

The Elite is not a single model, it's all the models above the base models. The Match (which is what I have in 10mm) is the first step on that ladder, with Limited, Stock, Stock II, Gold Team, etc., all being higher priced and focused on games. The Match is only a little more expensive than the standard models, and comes with a very nice SA-only trigger, which has adjustable pre- and over-travel screws. It has a nice, wide thumb safety (great for riding, which is the way to grip these guns). IIRC, it's also .25" longer in the barrel than a standard model.

I happen to love mine. It is, by far, my favorite pistol to shoot (the only gun I enjoy as much is my O/U Beretta, but that's a whole 'nother thing). It's extremely accurate. The heavy steel frame soaks up recoil very comfortably, to the point that even brand new shooters express delight with shooting 10mm from it. As I mentioned in a previous post, http://www.henningshootsguns.com/ provides excellent after-market options, so you can do things like put on a fiber-optic front sight, change grips, alter spring weights, get replacement parts, etc.

The Glock 20 is a very functional gun. The Colt Delta is a beautiful gun, and can be a great shooter, but at least one 10mm manufacturer makes a distinction between Colts and other 10mm's, and downloads for the Colt. The S&W is a tank, but I've never gotten to shoot one. If you want a DA/SA gun with a slide-mounted safety, can find a gun to buy, and are not worried about replacement part availability, they're a good choice; if I ever run across one at the right price, I may grab it.

JMHO, of course.

hAkron
July 26, 2012, 12:15 PM
I'm not generally a fan of S&W semi autos. I had an S&W licensed Walther PPK/s that I didn't care for, also I've not been overly thrilled by the M&P semi autos (not disappointed, but not excited buy them either). I've also had some experience with a friend's S&W 669 that was unflattering, having said that, I would jump on a 1006 if I found one in good shape for a reasonable price, but given my timeline, I doubt I will find be prior to buying something else.

I notice that a lot of the Glock guys who shoot 10MM opt for a KKM barrel...does that have anything to do with the factory Glock barrel not supporting the brass enough? I just paid $90 for 500 pieces of new Starline brass, I wouldn't want to shorten their lifespan from bulges. It's also probably not cost effective to buy a ~$500 Glock and a ~$200 barrel...at that point I'm approaching Colt Delta Elite and S&W 1006 prices.

intercooler
July 26, 2012, 01:53 PM
The Glock barrels are better now. You can probably be fine with a stock one. EAA makes a DA/SA as well. It will be all new versus the 1006 with lifetime warranty.

PabloJ
July 26, 2012, 02:29 PM
Witness Hunter - big beefy massive pistol which makes the 10mm manageable. Long barrel and long sight radius... accurate and good for hunting.
While the Bren and S&W 1006 are very large pistols Spanish Megastar is the largest of them all. With the exception of the Glock rest are large and heavy "steel toads".

Inebriated
July 26, 2012, 02:49 PM
I like the 20. I've use it with full power loads, and it's quite manageable.

intercooler
July 26, 2012, 05:44 PM
Don't shoot my Hunter as much as the Match but gave it some love today. First 10 off-hand at 12 yards:

http://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-snc7/576090_424458560925515_1787179240_n.jpg

EdJennings
July 26, 2012, 06:16 PM
I have owned a Colt Delta back when they first came out. It didn't last long. I have a 1006, which I will probably keep forever. The 1006 and its derivatives are roughly the same size and weight as a 1911 or Commander depending on barrel length. The 1006 is available in either fixed or adjustable sight versions. The 4" guns are all fixed I believe. They are single stack. If you substitute Hoage grips for the factory grips they feel like a double stack. Parts and magazines are pretty easy to find and not outrageously expensive. The 1076 with its frame mounted deco led seems to be the most sought after variant. There is an FBI connection to that model. Very hard to beat or even equal the 10XX series.

orionengnr
July 26, 2012, 07:50 PM
I have a Dan Wesson 1911 in 10mm.
Beautiful pistol, but it took almost two years to get it working correctly. Not all others have had that same experience, but I have heard from several that did...

That said, I really like the 10mm cartridge. I am thinking of adding a G20 SF to the corral, if I can find one with a decent price.

hAkron
July 26, 2012, 08:10 PM
Well, bad news, the used Witness 10MM that I was going to buy today must have already been sold. I was convinced that was the one for me, now I'm again on the fence.

Thanks for all of the advice and information so far everybody! It has been very helpful!

JERRY
July 26, 2012, 08:11 PM
i own a G20, a G29 and a Colt Delta Elite.

the G20 outshoots them all easily.

intercooler
July 26, 2012, 08:11 PM
My Dan Wesson was tight out of the box but now just mows through anything I load into it.


Your capacity will be less with the 1911 style pistols or even 1006. The Witness and Glocks are doubles and give you 13 rounds plus.

The Elite Stock is DA/SA 15+1 and comes with a nice case brand new.



http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=298434415

Tok9
July 26, 2012, 08:40 PM
Glock 20

MachIVshooter
July 27, 2012, 12:15 PM
I have a Kimber Stainless Target II, a Witness Compact, Witness Limited, S&W 1006 and Glock 20.

If I could only keep one 10mm, it would be the 1006 without a second thought.

mavracer
July 27, 2012, 01:27 PM
I don't really like Glocks much but if I had to for some reason it'd be a 29sf. I had a witness in 10mm but didn't like the long DA reach so I peddeled it I still have a SA only Witness in 38 super that I love and would not shy away from a 10mm match or hunter. But I think I got 10mm covered
http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii261/mavracer/IMG-20110805-00061-1.jpg

CountryUgly
July 27, 2012, 02:36 PM
I've been struggling with this same decision for months. My first choice was the 1006 but after several failed deals and the lack of available mags in my area I gave up. Next choice was a Delta Elite but again lack of availibilty and not to mention the major initial investment caused me to give up on that one as well. So yesterday I bought a Gen 3 Glock G20 (even though I'm not a Glock guy by any means) because I got a NIB one with a half dozen mags nite sites and a LW 10mm barrel in addition to the stock Glock barrel for 6 bills. When the smoke cleared G20 won out because of cost and availibilty of aftermarket support. I mean I'm about to order the .40cal and .357sig LW barrels so in the end I end up with essentially 3 guns for the price of one mid range 1911. The best part is the same mag works for all the calibers heck I might even get the Dillion barrel also just for S&G's.

hAkron
July 27, 2012, 09:32 PM
I found a crazy deal on a 1006 in amazing condition today, I am now a member of the 10mm club. Thanks everybody for all of your great information.

mavracer
July 27, 2012, 09:51 PM
welcome to the club

pat701
July 29, 2012, 07:18 PM
glad that you can afford 10MM ammo, i can't.

hAkron
July 29, 2012, 10:18 PM
glad that you can afford 10MM ammo, i can't.

Oh, I reload, so it's not expensive at all.

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