Lasermax guiderod lasers


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surfinUSA
July 25, 2012, 09:38 PM
Has anyone used one of these? How hard are they to adjust to point of aim?

They seem like a great idea on a concealed handgun, but they aren't rigidly mounted like a rail mounted laser. Once adjusted does the laser remain on the point of aim or does it wander?

If anyone has used one on their Glock, did it effect reliability as some aftermarket guiderods have been known to do?

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Upstater
July 25, 2012, 09:42 PM
I have a Lasermax installed on a G19, there was no adjustment needed. As far as operation it is just as reliable with the Lasermax as with the factory guide rod and spring. I think the book said to replace the spring every 5000 rounds IIRC. It was pretty costly however, but it does work well.

rcmodel
July 25, 2012, 09:43 PM
If you think you "Might" have two hands available in a SD situation to hold the gun and turn it on & off with?
Gofer it.

If you think you might have to use one hand to fend off an attacker, or hold a door open, or pull someone else out of the line of fire?
Well you see where this is going.

They are not adjustable.
According to Lasermax.
Your LaserMax Guide Rod Laser sight comes permanently
aligned from our factory for center-of-mass accuracy at 20 yards.

If you want a laser, buy a Crimson Trace and be done with it.

rc

Upstater
July 25, 2012, 09:45 PM
You do not need two hands to turn it on, it is a slide switch that replaces the takedown lever. Very easy to use IMO

surfinUSA
July 25, 2012, 10:01 PM
Thanks, crimson trace was the next choice. I'm definately thinking of CT for a J frame also.

rcmodel
July 25, 2012, 10:05 PM
You do not need two hands to turn it on,O.K., I don't know.
All I know is the last Glock 17 through here I have ever seen that didn't work had an older LaserMax guide rod in it.

We took out the LaserMax guide rod and tossed it.
Once the Glock recoil spring assy was put back in it?

It never missed another lick as far as I have heard.
And that was 5 years ago.

rc

basicblur
July 25, 2012, 10:20 PM
I think only the 1911 model is adjustable, but do the rest of 'em really need to be? They're plenty close enough for their intended role.

Well you see where this is going.
Nowhere, far as I can see:
1. The LaserMax is not adjustable!
True, but it is located much closer to the bore's centerline, so it's going to be closer to on target over a much wider range than the Crimson Trace, most of which are mounted off axis (the Crimson Trace is going to be 'on target' at one distance only). With the LaserMax, for varying distances you're going to have to correct for elevation only - with the Crimson Trace, you're going to have to correct for both elevation AND windage.
'Course, for the distances you'll probably being using a laser, the accuracy arguments are probably specious.

2. You might have to use one hand to fend off an attacker!
If the attacker is that close, I'm probably going to be point shooting.

And so it goes...

There are good / bad for both units - as usual, most folks are going to point out only one side of the argument - that which supports their preference.

One thing that gave me pause with the Crimson Trace is the very selling feature most often quoted - I'm thinking the one handed operation could be susceptible to sympathetic finger reflex, and to top it off, you know what happens to fine motor skills when you're under stress.
(I've seen a few cases where LE fired their gun when they meant to activate their weapon mounted light, which I assume required the use of the second hand!)

I have a LaserMax on a P229R and XDSC9 - I weighed what I thought were the good / bad points of both units, and decided on the LaserMax.
(I do have a Crimson Trace on an LCP).

Whatever you choose, just don't make the mistake of allowing yourself to get locked into using one side of an argument to make your decision.

SwampWolf
July 27, 2012, 06:17 PM
Whatever you choose, just don't make the mistake of allowing yourself to get locked into using one side of an argument to make your decision.

Excellent point and a great post explaining the pros/cons. What's good for the goose may well not be good for the gander!

ku4hx
July 27, 2012, 06:59 PM
Wife and I have five Crimson Trace laser on five of our Glocks. If you can grip a gun sufficiently hard enough to fire it, you can activate the laser. Not a replacement for a good set of open sights, but in a low light situation, such as my wife faced in our own home, they're essentially "point & click" ... see dot; see hole.

mes228
July 28, 2012, 07:40 AM
At one time I believe the Lasermax was the only laser tested and approved by any military (NATO). My wife has one on a Glock 19 and is quite accurate with it. It's functioned fine thus far. Pretty much spot on at ten or so yards too. She almost never shoots at the range but I've seen her out shoot several
good shooters with iron sights. She was a gymnast and has great hand eye coordination. Just my opinion.

One_Jackal
July 28, 2012, 08:12 AM
What concerns me about lasers in general, are they durable enough to withstand daily carry. What happens to it if I just stuff my pistol in my pants. Then take off on a motorcycle. Will it survive if a gun takes a header on the pavement? I have dropped my carry guns several times when taking them out of my back pocket/holster and placing them on the seat of the truck.

I had a laser on my shotgun. I thought it was the cats meow. I took it hunting a few times. Then a couple blackberry picking trips. Now it doesn't work. I sent it back and it will be replaced. But I will be taking it off the gun to go hunting. Then re-installing it when hunting season is over. I don't know that I will do all that. It's a $125 paperweight in my opinion. At least the glue from the on/off switch came right off my stock with a lil WD-40.

X-Rap
July 28, 2012, 09:53 AM
What concerns me about lasers in general, are they durable enough to withstand daily carry. What happens to it if I just stuff my pistol in my pants. Then take off on a motorcycle. Will it survive if a gun takes a header on the pavement? I have dropped my carry guns several times when taking them out of my back pocket/holster and placing them on the seat of the truck.


Perhaps you would be better off just carrying a hammer.
Or spending your money on a holster instead of a laser.

IMTHDUKE
July 28, 2012, 10:04 AM
Only one hand and extended finger needed to turn on. I put this one on because I wanted to keep the wood grips. It is spot one.

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One_Jackal
July 28, 2012, 08:27 PM
Perhaps you would be better off just carrying a hammer.
Or spending your money on a holster instead of a laser.
It's virtually impossible to get a gun out of your pocket while wearing a seat belt. I do use holsters. After a while in a vehicle the gun becomes uncomfortable. I don't know if your remarks come from lack of experience or you are just seeking confrontation.

12131
July 28, 2012, 10:05 PM
It's virtually impossible to get a gun out of your pocket while wearing a seat belt. I do use holsters. After a while in a vehicle the gun becomes uncomfortable. I don't know if your remarks come from lack of experience or you are just seeking confrontation.
Well, to me, it's kinda scary reading you dropping your carry gun several times taking it out of your pocket. Not just once, but several times.:eek:

X-Rap
July 28, 2012, 11:46 PM
I guess I would just be seeking explanation. Just sticking your gun in your pants and jumping on your motorcycle??? Will a laser survive a header to the pavement??? Is this during a wreck or just falling out of your pants???
I have carried handguns since I was 10 and I can't off the top of my head think of a time I dropped one in 40 yrs.(I suppose it has happened) You sound as though it happens frequently so I guess I just wanted to hear more I guess.

One_Jackal
July 29, 2012, 01:24 AM
By god you are perfect. The only way you can carry a weapon for 40 years without dropping one is by playing video games. You know video game weapons are not real. If you had a concealed weapon at 10? you just admitted a felony.

I want to know if you really own a gun. The only conclusion I can come to is no. You have definitely never handled a weapon in a vehicle.

I owe you no explanation. The only thing I need to do is figure out how to ignore you.

allaroundhunter
July 29, 2012, 01:46 AM
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allaroundhunter
July 29, 2012, 01:49 AM
I had one on a G19, while it did work well, I would not recommend it. It is much harder to activate than a Crimson Trace, and is not adjustable (from my experience).

And jackal, carrying a weapon since age 10 is not admitting to a felony. Even under today's laws in many states, under parental supervision a 10 year old may carry a handgun (not in public). There is no reason to begin throwing insults... Especially unfounded ones.


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hentown
July 29, 2012, 08:38 AM
IF a perp's close enough that you need one hand to fight him off, then the laser, of course, would be irrelevant. So, the argument about the use of two hands is nontgermane to this discussion.

Lasermax guide rod lasers for 1911s are adjustable. I wouldn't own any kind of sighting optic that's not adjustable. I use a CT universal on the rail of my G17, as a nightstand gun. I doubt that my laser will ever see any duty more seriouis than aggravating my mother's cat. However, I do have the same CT laser mounted on one of my ARs. They're worthless in bright sun, but are great in low light.

X-Rap
July 29, 2012, 10:56 AM
Yes Jackel I got my first handgun at 10 and at 14 I was indeed probably breaking some laws as it rode in the pocket of my waders or a homemade shoulder holster while out on the trap line or when bow hunting. I think the statute of limitations has run out on that one though. I also got my first permit at 18 so I was legal then. I also have spent quite a bit of time on a MC and just can't quite understand Mexican Carry while riding.
I didn't say I have never dropped one, I said I couldn't recall doing it, you sounded like it was as normal as taking out the trash and now you sound as though it is to be expected I'm just suggesting you mind you weapon a little better, I have heard of people being shot by their dropped guns, two were actually getting in or out of a pickup.
As to being perfect, I doubt you have talked to my ex wife.

918v
July 29, 2012, 02:50 PM
Get a Lasermax, a Crimson Trace, and a Surefire rail light with a laser. Then you'll be like that alien from Predator.

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