Steyr AUG


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dak0ta
July 29, 2012, 04:12 PM
Hey,

You guys don't talk too much about this rifle on here. The A3 variant is being made in the US. Anybody shoot them yet? Any pros cons to the design vs the AR/AK platforms?

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pat701
July 29, 2012, 06:07 PM
Wish i had an "extra $2000 lying around" i would love one.

Bohemus
July 29, 2012, 06:24 PM
Never owned one, but had chance to shoot few rounds - great ergonomy - you know - i didnt have to search the controls, make extra sure that mag is well inserted (as with ARs) etc..
Too bad I can buy 12 Vz. 58s for one Steyr AUG..

dak0ta
July 29, 2012, 07:22 PM
Was it hard to reload mags into the bullpup design without lookng? And did yours have the factory scope or had a picatinny rail with an optic attached?

kimberkid
July 29, 2012, 10:35 PM
Not an A3 but over the last 20 years I've had all the ones leading up to it and currently own an A2; the sight rail is the only difference in them.

Mag changes aren't bad but do require practice. The NATO stock which accepts M-16 / AR-15 mags is much easier and has a mag release button just above the magwell. Most people don't care for the military like trigger which is long and heavy, but a Trigger Tamer will help immensely as well as make it easier to shoot accurately.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v40/kimberkid/Toys/Steyr_AUG_A2.jpg

barnbwt
July 29, 2012, 10:44 PM
12 Vz. 58s for one Steyr AUG..

Sheesh, quit rubbing our noses in how cheap they are over there...:cuss:;)

I too, have fawned over these for awhile, but I've never seen on in action (in person). It definitely looks like the handiest bullpup rifle ever built, but I've always been a bit suspicious about that spindly scope mount-it looks really delicate (but I'm probably wrong on that).

Seeing the above photo, that barrel looks a bit delicate for bayonet work, as well...

TCB

kimberkid
July 29, 2012, 11:38 PM
Sheesh, quit rubbing our noses in how cheap they are over there...:cuss:;)

I too, have fawned over these for awhile, but I've never seen on in action (in person). It definitely looks like the handiest bullpup rifle ever built, but I've always been a bit suspicious about that spindly scope mount-it looks really delicate (but I'm probably wrong on that).

Seeing the above photo, that barrel looks a bit delicate for bayonet work, as well...

TCBThere are at least two militarys that chose it as their issue weapon; Austria and Australia so I doubt delicate would apply. The frame of the scope mount is constructed of a "T" shaped metal and heavier than an AR carry handle ... The barrel on the 16" is 0.670", heavier than an M16A1 barrel , but not quite as heavy as an A2 ... The 20" is 0.745", IIRC is the same as the H-BAR. The 24" is heavier yet but is packed away

dak0ta
July 29, 2012, 11:41 PM
Ireland adopted it as well.

I hear the Israeli Tavor improves on this design and exceeds it

navajo
July 30, 2012, 01:14 PM
Friend of mine owns one. I find it a bit akward.

SilentStalker
July 30, 2012, 01:41 PM
I wish we could get an Israeli Tavor. I would so be in line for one....

greyling22
July 30, 2012, 08:20 PM
tavor is coming stalker. charles daly is bringing it back with them.

I thought the AUG was so cool ever since I saw it in die hard. then I pulled the trigger on one and sadly went away never to look back. talk about long and heavy. It was worse than a DAO pistol.

kimberkid
July 30, 2012, 09:09 PM
I pulled the trigger on one and sadly went away never to look back. talk about long and heavy. It was worse than a DAO pistol.
The Trigger Tamer is your friend!

Mizar
July 31, 2012, 05:36 AM
AUG is a very well build rifle - very reliable, but if you consider buying the A3 configuration make sure first that you are comfortable loading it - the lower mounted picatinny rail is a big PIA for me - I have to load it with my pinky finger, or I'll leave some flesh on the rail. With full magazine inserted it has an awkward balance which I don't like and sometimes it requires a very hard tap on the magazine to seat it well. One more thing - if you disassemble it you will have a very hard time justifying the price...;)

Boris

JustinJ
July 31, 2012, 12:44 PM
I just bought one of the remaining 33 made from remaining Sabre parts but actually assembled by Steyr. It came with a letter indicating such. I already owned an MSAR.

Quality wise the Steyr is a great rifle and beats the MSAR in this dept. However, the MSAR has a few features that i wish Steyr had incorporated. The first is fluting of the barrel as the Steyr is noticeable more heavy. Second, the MSAR has quick disconnect sling attachments while the Steyr's are fixed. Last, the MSAR has multiple rail mounting locations. The Steyr has just the top rail and another short section at about 2 o'clock.

Accuracy wise the Steyr beats the MSAR. What surprised me is that the Steyr seemed to prefer 75 grain bullets in spite of a 1 in 9 barrel although i was shooting at only 100 yards. Groups with said bullets averaged about 1.75".

Rail height is not an issue if one uses AR height sights/optics, imo. The quick change barrel feature is also an awesome feature. While my MSAR barrel assembly has a minimal amount of play which i believe hinders accuracy the AUG locks up nice and tight.

The adjustable gas system is nice also but a suppressor setting would be nice as i like to run one. I haven't put one on the Steyr yet but it does cause a lot of gas blowback with the MSAR.

I have to load it with my pinky finger, or I'll leave some flesh on the rail.

I've not had this problem unless mounting screws or knobs of optics are on the left side. However, there is an aftermarket charging handle available from Ratworx that provides an angled grip out to the side.

tulsamal
August 3, 2012, 01:35 AM
I owned an original Steyr in the late 80's, early 90's. Now I own an MSAR STG-556 (Gen 4). I wouldn't touch a "Trigger Tamer" after the big dispute that broke out over on the bullpup section of AR15.com but I did buy the little piece of metal that you can add into your trigger pack that greatly improves the trigger instead. My trigger is just fine now. (It wasn't actually all that bad to begin with.)

Mine is the 20" green model. It came with the factory 1.5x scope on it. I removed that and replaced it with a Burris Tac 30. And the angled charging handle Justin mentioned. Ratworx sells a whole bunch of great stuff for the design. Including a completely new metal trigger pack that uses AR trigger parts. I need to get one of those. And new bolts that use AR parts. I do have one of those.

The AUG is a great design. You get SBR OAL length while getting full rifle length ballistics. My 20" MSAR is actually shorter than my 16" AR's. Put a 16" barrel in it and you REALLY have a shorty! No paperwork, no ATF, no $200 tax stamp.

Gregg

JustinJ
August 3, 2012, 09:20 AM
I owned an original Steyr in the late 80's, early 90's. Now I own an MSAR STG-556 (Gen 4). I wouldn't touch a "Trigger Tamer" after the big dispute that broke out over on the bullpup section of AR15.com but I did buy the little piece of metal that you can add into your trigger pack that greatly improves the trigger instead.

What little metal piece? Is this a fabricated part?

The trigger tamer controversy dissuaded me too so when i get around to it i'm ordering a neu-trigger. Payment method sucks though.

tulsamal
August 3, 2012, 10:06 AM
so when i get around to it i'm ordering a neu-trigger.

I think that's the "little metal part" I was referring to?" It was later at night and I couldn't remember what the heck it was called. It is flat sheet metal that locks into a loop. It changes the sear/hammer engagement point from plastic to metal. It wraps around one of those pieces and clicks into place. Very simple really but it works.

Gregg

tulsamal
August 3, 2012, 10:11 AM
I really should just call and get on the wait list for one of these:

http://www.ratworxusa.com/pagDetail.aspx?SKU=RW-HTM-2020-Precision

Everybody that has one is thrilled with them. And then you can use AR-15 parts for spares in the future. Seems like the way to go to me. I should have done it six months ago.....

Gregg

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