Cheap .308 ammo


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newguy07
July 29, 2012, 07:22 PM
Just bought a savage rifle in .308 am looking for recommendations on low cost factory ammo. I use wolf in my AR and it works great but not sure if they make .308 ammo or if it's good enough for the .308. I am looking for a target load to use from 100-400 yards. So what is a option that should shoot well but not cost a fortune? How much are we taking per round?

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HankC
July 29, 2012, 08:41 PM
I would not shoot Wolf 308 especially in autos.

http://www.falfiles.com/forums/showthread.php?t=176323

Many 7.62NATO surplus available around .40-.50/rnd.

firesky101
July 29, 2012, 08:45 PM
the .308 is what got me into reloading. Wolf does make .308, but spend the extra couple of cents for silver bear if you want to shoot dirt cheap steel case. IMO Barnul>Wolf

allaroundhunter
July 29, 2012, 08:48 PM
I shoot Federal Gold Medal Match .168 gr in my .308. It isn't necessarily cheap at around $20/box, but there are many more expensive rounds out there. The FGMM also shoots around (and under) 1/2 MOA from my rifle.

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newguy07
July 29, 2012, 09:05 PM
It is a bolt action, not semi.

Do all .308 shoot 7.62 or is it like.223 where a .223 shoots .223 only but a 5.56 shoots either.

Captains1911
July 29, 2012, 09:19 PM
It is a bolt action, not semi.

Do all .308 shoot 7.62 or is it like.223 where a .223 shoots .223 only but a 5.56 shoots either.
With .308 it's opposite, meaning a gun chambered in .308 WIN can shoot both .308 and 7.62x51 NATO, but one chambered in 7.62 NATO can shoot only 7.62.

Kachok
July 29, 2012, 09:25 PM
Handload! Premium grade stuff for $0.50 a shot :neener: Sure beats paying $2 a shot for quality ammo, you know the stuff you can actually hit a target with at 400yd. I have yet to find really good cheap factory fodder in 308 and trust me I tried, none of my 308s liked cheap stuff, the closest was the Prvi that shot about 1.5" out of my old 308 and 150gr core lokts in my new model 70 that shoot right at an inch at 100, but even they are $19.95 a box.

TonyAngel
July 30, 2012, 03:19 AM
There's really no such thing as cheap .308. There's nothing wrong with the steel cased stuff, if your rifle will eat it. The chamber on my target rifle is on the tight side and it's pretty usual to find a round that won't chamber.

If you're serious about shooting .308, you need to handload. You can get surplus components to load on the cheap and it shoots pretty good.

Centurian22
July 30, 2012, 04:15 AM
+1 for the FGGM SMK 168 HPBT being best / most accurate factory but it's def not 'cheap' at $1+ per round. Since I plan to hunt I've started buying / using federal power-shok blue box 150gr soft point from Walmart at <$16 per box ($0.80 per round). It is the cheapest I have found of anything available locally. The one time I tried 7.62x51 in my Savage axis I had 4 out of 20 fired cases get stuck, don't know if it was due to the round, the cheap manufacturer, the rifle being brand new or what, but it has made me shy away from dropping $100+ on some surplus. I hope to start reloading soon with the purchase of a lee turret. Not to hijack / sidetract the thread (its still roughly on topic) Anyone have advice for primer, powder, bullet combos for cheap range work out to 100-200 yards?

BadWool
July 30, 2012, 06:35 AM
I have used this website (http://gun-deals.com/ammo) to gauge the ammo market and find really good deals on many different calibers.

madcratebuilder
July 30, 2012, 08:15 AM
With .308 it's opposite, meaning a gun chambered in .308 WIN can shoot both .308 and 7.62x51 NATO, but one chambered in 7.62 NATO can shoot only 7.62.
You can shoot either. There is a very minor difference in max head space but every manufacturer sets the head space to allow either round to be used.

The .308/7.62 is a hand loaders round if you want cheap. Quality surplus NATO is about .50 a round and quality match is $2+ a round. You can build match loads for under $1.

velocette
July 30, 2012, 09:13 AM
You can build match quality .308 ammo for far less than $1.00 per round.
The Sierra 168 gr Hollow point boat tail match bullets are .30 each from Midway and can be found cheaper, primers are .03 each and IMR 4895 will cost about .17 per round, total cost is .60 per round if you collect free range brass. My rifles favorite load is the Sierra HPBT M bullet over 41 gr of IMR 4895 & any brand primer in Fed brass. Consistently sub moa in my LR
308.
You can find the Sierra bullets on sale for much less as well as Hornady 168 HPBT M and Nosler HPBT M for less.

Roger

silicosys4
July 30, 2012, 02:48 PM
cheapest I've found recently:
http://www.freedommunitions.com/product-p/fm308f147r.htm
$250 for 480

Reloading is the way to go...for 100 rounds of match grade I spent
$23.00 for 100 168gr. hpbt
$11.00 for 1/2lb varget
$4.00 for primers
$20 for brass

Much cheaper than the $1.50/shot if I were to buy it, and the only way I can afford to own an FAL.

chaser_2332
July 30, 2012, 04:49 PM
why buy a rifle and set it up to be somwhat of a presicion rifle but not willing to feed it ammo needed to finish the job?

GCMkc
July 30, 2012, 05:00 PM
I would not shoot Wolf 308 especially in autos.

http://www.falfiles.com/forums/showthread.php?t=176323

Many 7.62NATO surplus available around .40-.50/rnd.

Example of ONE case head separation...Seriously? Horrible argument. Wolf isn't the only manufacturer of ammunition that has a bad round once in awhile. Also, just noticed that the post from this link is from 6 years ago. Not exactly current info.

I've used Wolf and other steel cased .308 ammo in AUTOS and it's worked fine. Don't let one story tell you otherwise. I don't see the point in expensive ammo if you are going to plink around. On the other hand, if you are hunting and want the absolute best accuracy, go for some factory hunting ammo.

HankC
July 30, 2012, 09:33 PM
Example of ONE case head separation
Did you read the whole thing? Do a search, you will find more recent cases. It is always how much risk you want to take. Personal choice.

Trent
July 30, 2012, 09:40 PM
WOW, I've never seen someone use the word "Cheap" and "308" in the same sentence. :)

SaxonPig
July 30, 2012, 09:43 PM
Man, I still can't get used to the idea of a buck a round for 308 surplus. The last batch I bought (which is still setting unopened in the garage) came from Pakistan or some such place and set me back $89 for 500 rounds. I guess it was a while ago.

Trent
July 30, 2012, 10:12 PM
Yup. I remember buying sealed South African battle packs $35 for 200 or loose boxes at $4 for 20.

Man I wish I'd bought a warehouse full of that crap.

GCMkc
July 30, 2012, 10:14 PM
Did you read the whole thing? Do a search, you will find more recent cases. It is always how much risk you want to take. Personal choice.

Yeah, I did. Only people that have had problems will post on the boards. When thousands of others use Wolf ammo and it works you don't read about it because there is no point in making a post about it.

I do agree Hank that it is a personal choice. I can't make people shoot Wolf ammo but I am saying that in my experience and the experiences of many others that .308 Wolf ammo runs just fine.

GCMkc
July 30, 2012, 10:16 PM
Man, I still can't get used to the idea of a buck a round for 308 surplus. The last batch I bought (which is still setting unopened in the garage) came from Pakistan or some such place and set me back $89 for 500 rounds. I guess it was a while ago.

I paid $77/200 about a month ago for some early 90's Paki milsurp. So it must have been awhile back. :D

One_Jackal
July 30, 2012, 10:36 PM
I have a saiga .308. It eats about anything. Wolf ammo is alright but no matter what caliber wolf loads the lightest bullets. For cheap ammo silver bear is best with brown bear right behind it. At least you can use the same weight bullet you will be hunting with. Silver Bear for rifles is zinc plated, not nickel plated.

lmccrock
July 31, 2012, 07:25 AM
With .308 it's opposite, meaning a gun chambered in .308 WIN can shoot both .308 and 7.62x51 NATO, but one chambered in 7.62 NATO can shoot only 7.62.
Well, no. The apparent difference is more a difference in how SAAMI and NATO measure pressure in 308/7.62. Use the same method, little difference.

Also, check your rifle's manufacturer and warranty. For instance, DPMS will void your warranty if you use steel case ammo. And they do not recommend using NATO ammo in their 308 chambers (they sell both). Why? The 308 chamber is tighter and some NATO brass could have "performance" issues.

BTW, Wolf does not make ammo, they are basically a distributor. It used to be made by Tula, and now by Barnaul, but still has the polymer coating. So a 6 year old Falfiles thread does not represent current manufacture.

Captains1911
July 31, 2012, 08:43 AM
Well, no. The apparent difference is more a difference in how SAAMI and NATO measure pressure in 308/7.62. Use the same method, little difference.

Also, check your rifle's manufacturer and warranty. For instance, DPMS will void your warranty if you use steel case ammo. And they do not recommend using NATO ammo in their 308 chambers (they sell both). Why? The 308 chamber is tighter and some NATO brass could have "performance" issues.

BTW, Wolf does not make ammo, they are basically a distributor. It used to be made by Tula, and now by Barnaul, but still has the polymer coating. So a 6 year old Falfiles thread does not represent current manufacture.
Well, yes. The more important issue is pressure, and 308 chambers are typically rated for higher pressures than 7.62. Just like how 5.56 chambers are rated for higher pressure than .223. The fact that the chamber dimensions are slightly different is secondary.

SaxonPig
July 31, 2012, 10:05 AM
308 chambers are rated for higher pressures? You lost me. You mean every 308 rifle ever built is "rated" for higher pressure than any 7.62 chamber?

This debate goes on and on and on and on... But I look at the dimensions of 7.62x51 and 308 Winchester and they are virtually the same. I have owned several rifles stamped 308 and they all shot military 7.62 without any detectible difference. My one rifle stamped 7.62 digests commercial 308 with equal indifference. I have heard military ammo uses slightly thicker brass to withstand being slammed through full-auto guns. I have heard military ammo has a slightly different shoulder for the same reason. I dunno... My guns don't care which ammo I use.

If there is any difference between 7.62 and 308 I can't see it.

Captains1911
July 31, 2012, 10:10 AM
308 chambers are rated for higher pressures? You lost me. You mean every 308 rifle ever built is "rated" for higher pressure than any 7.62 chamber?

This debate goes on and on and on and on... But I look at the dimensions of 7.62x51 and 308 Winchester and they are virtually the same. I have owned several rifles stamped 308 and they all shot military 7.62 without any detectible difference. My one rifle stamped 7.62 digests commercial 308 with equal indifference. I have heard military ammo uses slightly thicker brass to withstand being slammed through full-auto guns. I have heard military ammo has a slightly different shoulder for the same reason. I dunno... My guns don't care which ammo I use.

If there is any difference between 7.62 and 308 I can't see it.
While the 7.62mm NATO cartridge has a maximum chamber pressure of approximately 50,000 psi, in the SAAMI book the .308 Winchester has a MAP (maximum average product) pressure of approximately 62,000 psi. This is not to say that all .308 Winchester loads will develop such pressures, merely that they would be within manufacturing tolerances if they did so. Firing .308 Winchester ammunition in a firearm specifically chambered for the 7.62mm NATO risks damage to the firearm and injury to the shooter.

Reloadron
July 31, 2012, 10:25 AM
Just bought a savage rifle in .308 am looking for recommendations on low cost factory ammo. I use wolf in my AR and it works great but not sure if they make .308 ammo or if it's good enough for the .308. I am looking for a target load to use from 100-400 yards. So what is a option that should shoot well but not cost a fortune? How much are we taking per round?
I agree with allaroundhunter's post #4. If you have a new bolt gun and want to see how it actually delivers at distances out to 400 yards I would at least run a box of good consistent well manufactured ammunition through it. Federal Gold in .308 using Sierra 168 grain match king bullets is a good start. Running cheap military surplus or just plain garbage ammunition through the rifle won't tell you much of anything.

Down the road if you want good stuff for ammunition, think about rolling your own.

Just My Thoughts
Ron

One_Jackal
July 31, 2012, 02:33 PM
This is the best deal I could find on ammo you could use for both hunting and plinking. Brown Bear 240 rds. .308 140 - gr. SP Ammo $104.97 (http://www.sportsmansguide.com/net/cb/240-rds-308-140-gr-sp-ammo.aspx?a=606394) for non members of the Sportsmans Guide. I am sure you can find it a little cheaper but SG is always fair on shipping ($10avg) and they do a great job of keeping popular ammo in stock.

61chalk
July 31, 2012, 07:11 PM
I shoot 7.62 MEN ammo in my Fed. Ord. M14A an its very accurate...an cheap. Made in Germany also called DAG, just different factories. 200 rds for around 89.00.....some shooters say its more accurate than there expensive Match ammo. I've been shooting mine out to 740yds with hits on a small gong.

lmccrock
July 31, 2012, 08:21 PM
While the 7.62mm NATO cartridge has a maximum chamber pressure of approximately 50,000 psi, in the SAAMI book the .308 Winchester has a MAP (maximum average product) pressure of approximately 62,000 psi.
NATO and SAAMI use different methods and NATO uses the term "psi" when it is measured by a different method which does not yield 1:1 comparison to SAAMI's transducer method.

Anyway...just read a vendor ad selling Wolf 7.62x39 from Ukraine, not sure who that is exactly. I have not gotten their 308 in a while so not sure which manufacturer. Somebody should get some and report what "Made in..." is on the box.

As Reloadron said, Federal Gold Medal Match is the standard to measure against. That does not mean it is the best in all cases, but at about a $1/rd, does not hurt to try.

allaroundhunter
July 31, 2012, 10:23 PM
Anyway...just read a vendor ad selling Wolf 7.62x39 from Ukraine, not sure who that is exactly. I have not gotten their 308 in a while so not sure which manufacturer. Somebody should get some and report what "Made in..." is on the box.

7.62x39 is not the same as 7.62x51(.308 Win)......

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OhioChief
August 1, 2012, 08:38 AM
I search the internet for good deals on surplus ammo. I find it shoots just fine. Sometimes it's on those damn links, which takes some time to free them, but I like the price and results. I even deer hunt with them, and it seems to do the job at half the price. I've got some early 80's .308 from United Arab Emigrates, and my Savage bolt seems to love them, and so does my LAR-8.

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